1 Lakh = 100,000. India graduates 250,000 new doctors per year. We have a total of six million medical practitioners in the United States--and that includes everything from Dental Hygenists to Neurosurgeons. How many people think India isn't going to figure this one out?
In order to practice medicine here foreign physicians have to pass a battery of tests, and they tend to score a lot lower than American med school grads do. There are exceptions, but medical training overseas is in general not up to US standards.
Well that's the point, since the average user will never get the letter, it is for their intents and purposes, unlimited. It goes to good faith/bad faith arguments, which mean a lot in contract law. They are offering essentially unlimited service in good faith, you're using it in good faith. If you start using the service in bad faith, then the contract can be invalidated.
It's like, if I rent an apartment from you, and you tell me there's no charge for water. Now if I turn all the faucets on full blast 24 hours a day 7 days a week, don't you think you should have the right to get me to stop?
But they could have a bad faith argument against the user. You have to download an unreal amount of data to get cut off. I mean, I can't think of a way to use that much unless you're doing something illegal (mp3s, movies, etc) or something against the usual TOS (running a webserver).
Sadly enough, that 100 gigabytes consists of only three stories that the editors accidently keep reposting. Two of the stories are about SCO. The other one's about a really neat computer case.
Only if they charge you extra while the contract is still in effect. If they terminate it and offer you a new one based on your download usage, that's not fraud.
I'm glad. Comcast charges me $60 a month for a cable modem, and a substantial chunk of that money is me subsidizing people who use a lot more than I do.
They generally also state in their contract that they can terminate it at will. They're not really lying--"I will give you unlimited bandwidth while you're connected with my service, and I'll be able to terminate the service when I want to". You start out, you spend 24 hours a day downloading one big file, at the end of the month they charge you the same flat fee, but in essence terminate the contract and offer you a new one. They would be lying if after the first month they sent you a huge bill that you didn't contract for.
Well they have the legal responsibility to take reasonable care with their products. Courts don't generally like boilerplate (I could cite the relevant caselaw but I don't want to put everybody to sleep). I'm not saying there should be sort of a curve after the warranty ends where they give progressively less and less, but in a situation where the problem is due to their negligence I certainly think they should at least give a little.
Mine was less than a month out of warranty. I don't mind that it broke, I certainly don't expect a 0% failure rate, but I do think that when a problem arose from poor engineering on their part 3 weeks after my warranty ends, then yes, they should repair it. Or charge less than three hundred dollars at least.
I'm not sure what your point is. Nobody's claiming all ibooks are faulty, just that an unacceptably high number of them are. It's due to a specific design flaw, not mistreatment, and just because you haven't personally experienced the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that it must be the fault of the user.
I completely understand where he's coming from; I was just burned by the logic board thing, and it annoys the hell out of me as, like him, I love the OS. Too bad they can't resist making hardware without throwing in a few serious design flaws.
I think you're getting it mixed up; he doesn't like the hardware, but it's the only thing that will run OS X.
To have commerce based on producers and consumers, you need to have both sides of that equasion. You can't have just producers, and you can't have just consumers.
Thank you, I've been trying to think of a concise way to say that to the thickies who post here for a long time, but that beats anything I've come up with.
This ridiculous "oh, go innovate and start your own company" advice we see all the time here is ridiculous. It's the same kind of thinking that created the dot com boom and bust. You can't have a nation made up only of producers.
SCO vs. IBM
(we're broke and have no product, so give us some money)
Well obviously SCO does have some money, otherwise they wouldn't have a legal team to file the suits.
Smokers vs. Phillip Morris
(hey, I thought smokes were good for you, I thought they had vitamin-C in 'em and stuff)
Well, actually the tobacco companies had publicly maintained for years that cigarette smoking wasn't addictive. They also put chemicals in it to make it addictive.
A case that makes it to trial typically does it because both sides have good arguments to make. If you have a just cause and the evidence to back it up then you're not assured of a win.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, right, let's see an example of them being a "wacko organization". God slashdot readers are so damn clueless.
Or is it, "oh, they're interested in helping people, they MUST be some weird pinko commie organization"?
people will pay to have it created. Once created, everyone benefits.
Except for the person paying for the creation. They're paying money for something that everyone else gets for free.
Wow, they use Canadian currency in India? I know India has some economic problems, but didn't think they were in that bad shape...
I thought what they made me pay for law textbooks was steep, but damn that makes my stuff look cheap. Is it like printed on gold leaf or something?
1 Lakh = 100,000. India graduates 250,000 new doctors per year. We have a total of six million medical practitioners in the United States--and that includes everything from Dental Hygenists to Neurosurgeons. How many people think India isn't going to figure this one out?
In order to practice medicine here foreign physicians have to pass a battery of tests, and they tend to score a lot lower than American med school grads do. There are exceptions, but medical training overseas is in general not up to US standards.
If you build a project that includes the blood, sweat, and tears of other people, shouldn't they be credited.
If your open source project manager requires you to bleed, sweat, and cry, then you might want to consider forking...
That means a lot coming from you, "tealover".
Well that's the point, since the average user will never get the letter, it is for their intents and purposes, unlimited. It goes to good faith/bad faith arguments, which mean a lot in contract law. They are offering essentially unlimited service in good faith, you're using it in good faith. If you start using the service in bad faith, then the contract can be invalidated.
It's like, if I rent an apartment from you, and you tell me there's no charge for water. Now if I turn all the faucets on full blast 24 hours a day 7 days a week, don't you think you should have the right to get me to stop?
Aww, did I hit a nerve?
Did you get a letter? I would think it would take a LOT more than a few linux distros to get cut off.
You know something, I've never been impressed by anything Disney has done, ever. I don't see what the big deal is if they collapse.
But they could have a bad faith argument against the user. You have to download an unreal amount of data to get cut off. I mean, I can't think of a way to use that much unless you're doing something illegal (mp3s, movies, etc) or something against the usual TOS (running a webserver).
Sadly enough, that 100 gigabytes consists of only three stories that the editors accidently keep reposting. Two of the stories are about SCO. The other one's about a really neat computer case.
Only if they charge you extra while the contract is still in effect. If they terminate it and offer you a new one based on your download usage, that's not fraud.
I'm glad. Comcast charges me $60 a month for a cable modem, and a substantial chunk of that money is me subsidizing people who use a lot more than I do.
They generally also state in their contract that they can terminate it at will. They're not really lying--"I will give you unlimited bandwidth while you're connected with my service, and I'll be able to terminate the service when I want to". You start out, you spend 24 hours a day downloading one big file, at the end of the month they charge you the same flat fee, but in essence terminate the contract and offer you a new one. They would be lying if after the first month they sent you a huge bill that you didn't contract for.
Kids dont care about the food, its all about the toy. Just my $.2
Ironically, $.2 is about what fast food toys are worth. Kids are dumb.
Well they have the legal responsibility to take reasonable care with their products. Courts don't generally like boilerplate (I could cite the relevant caselaw but I don't want to put everybody to sleep). I'm not saying there should be sort of a curve after the warranty ends where they give progressively less and less, but in a situation where the problem is due to their negligence I certainly think they should at least give a little.
Mine was less than a month out of warranty. I don't mind that it broke, I certainly don't expect a 0% failure rate, but I do think that when a problem arose from poor engineering on their part 3 weeks after my warranty ends, then yes, they should repair it. Or charge less than three hundred dollars at least.
I'm not sure what your point is. Nobody's claiming all ibooks are faulty, just that an unacceptably high number of them are. It's due to a specific design flaw, not mistreatment, and just because you haven't personally experienced the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that it must be the fault of the user.
I completely understand where he's coming from; I was just burned by the logic board thing, and it annoys the hell out of me as, like him, I love the OS. Too bad they can't resist making hardware without throwing in a few serious design flaws.
I think you're getting it mixed up; he doesn't like the hardware, but it's the only thing that will run OS X.
To have commerce based on producers and consumers, you need to have both sides of that equasion. You can't have just producers, and you can't have just consumers.
Thank you, I've been trying to think of a concise way to say that to the thickies who post here for a long time, but that beats anything I've come up with.
This ridiculous "oh, go innovate and start your own company" advice we see all the time here is ridiculous. It's the same kind of thinking that created the dot com boom and bust. You can't have a nation made up only of producers.
Very few people are looking for well-paid fantasy IT jobs these days. They're just looking to keep their head above water.
SCO vs. IBM (we're broke and have no product, so give us some money)
Well obviously SCO does have some money, otherwise they wouldn't have a legal team to file the suits.
Smokers vs. Phillip Morris (hey, I thought smokes were good for you, I thought they had vitamin-C in 'em and stuff)
Well, actually the tobacco companies had publicly maintained for years that cigarette smoking wasn't addictive. They also put chemicals in it to make it addictive.
A case that makes it to trial typically does it because both sides have good arguments to make. If you have a just cause and the evidence to back it up then you're not assured of a win.