Well I don't think anyone's saying that you can't play these games as an adult. Like I said, I enjoy those kinds of things too. But if Nintendo really wants to grab more of an older age group, they should try making games that might appeal to people who really haven't been playing video games their entire lives like we have. Look at Myst; amazingly successful, because it appealed to people who weren't game players.
Nintendo's mistake, I think, is the way they try to twist their franchises rather than making new ones. I really don't understand their thinking sometimes.
It's like, "hmmm..those final fantasy games are popular, let's make our own RPG. Why not use Mario." Why not? How about because he's a freaking plumber in bright red overalls who jumps on mushroom peoples' heads. I mean, come on, we're willing to suspend our belief but not by THAT much.
BTW, I loved Sesame Street as a kid, and can still watch it if a younger relative is. What I hated, even as a kid, was all the Warner Brother cartoons, and I still do. Which is probably the exact opposite of most of the people here...
Compared to how many we used to get, YES. Also keep in mind the vast majority of the ones we do get are from autodiallers. Pick up the phone, say hello, get no response, immediately hang up. So you only have to talk to some annoying telemarketer maybe once every few weeks.
But I, like a lot of the people here, want to occasionally play a game that someone tried to push the envelope with. Game design should be an art, too, and that means grown up storylines occasionally.
Fun is not synonymous with enjoyable. 2001: A Space Odyssey is not a "fun" movie, but I get more enjoyment out of it than any comedy or mindless action film. The latter may be a good way to kill two hours, but you stop thinking about it soon after you see it. A great movie stays with you for a lot longer.
Anyone who's finished Shenmue knows that sizeable chunks of the game aren't very fun. But the lulls make the action scenes more worthwhile.
Look at Ico. The genius of the game wasn't in the gameplay; it was in the characters' movements, the music, the storyline, the atmosphere. I think most children would miss a lot of the beauty, simply because they haven't developed emotionally enough to catch the more subtle touches.
It's not like I suddenly stopped finding Metroid fun. Metroid will always be fun. To actually say something that implies you stop enjoying certain things once you get past a set age, well.... I call bullshit.
I'm not sure if I could have appreciated games like Ico or Shenmue as much if I played it as a child.
In the same way, things I enjoyed as a kid (like FPSes) I don't enjoy the same way anymore. Like any other red-blooded American boy, violence thrilled me; now it just depresses me. When I was younger I liked numeric-based CRPGs (Might and Magic, Bard's Tale, etc), but now I wouldn't even start a game with endless, menu-driven combat like that. Life's too short.
So what's so awful about the idea that tastes change as you grow older?
And in America if you want to eat, it'll set you back about that much a month
Honestly people, there is no justification on plunking down a little expense if it is your LIVELYHOOD for goodness sake. After all, this is like saying that textbooks that contain known science should be handed out for free.
Do you see the flaw in your argument? Hint, it's the third word I quoted.
You apparently don't watch enough Law & Order. District courts don't set precendents. The only way this could have set a precendent is if the case were appealed at least once.
Close, but still wrong.
District courts don't set BINDING precedents for courts outside their jurisdiction; there's absolutely nothing to prevent defense attorneys from using it, and it can help add weight to their arguments.
Why are you making huge assumptions about those 10% of unemployed? Isn't it possible that many of them want to work? Haven't you ever been out of a job?
What country are you talking about, anyway? It can't be the US I know, because our unemployment rate is currently at about 6%, and that's considered extremely high.
Rand was a bitter old crank; what exactly did she put in the novel that came true? Did all those square-jawed libertarian architects run away and start their own little society?
There are tradeoffs. Doing "fine for thousands of years" isn't quite true; their life expectancy was probably around 50-60 years, and infant mortality rates probably were around 50%.
I don't think so. The cretins might watch Entertainment Tonight and read the National Inquirer, but when was the last time you saw someone wearing a Madonna t-shirt?
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Bah, Road Warrior was a 2 hour fight scene; MM3 was a cinematic, multidimensional view of the postapocalypse. And Star Wars is scifi; not hard scifi, but scifi.
Beyond Thunderdome was the easily the best Mad Max film. Hell, it's probably in the top 5 sf films of all time. Yep, 2001, Star Wars, Thunderdome, that sounds about right.
Go look at all the people urging us to vote for Bush on the old election threads. They claimed he was the "geek" candidate. He was the "libertarian" candidate. Of course, those are the kinds of libertarians who only identify as such because they just hate paying tax that much. Don't care much about other freedoms.
They got their wish though. We may be moving towards a totalitarian police state, but those mean ol' taxes have gone down.
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Well I don't think anyone's saying that you can't play these games as an adult. Like I said, I enjoy those kinds of things too. But if Nintendo really wants to grab more of an older age group, they should try making games that might appeal to people who really haven't been playing video games their entire lives like we have. Look at Myst; amazingly successful, because it appealed to people who weren't game players.
Nintendo's mistake, I think, is the way they try to twist their franchises rather than making new ones. I really don't understand their thinking sometimes.
It's like, "hmmm..those final fantasy games are popular, let's make our own RPG. Why not use Mario." Why not? How about because he's a freaking plumber in bright red overalls who jumps on mushroom peoples' heads. I mean, come on, we're willing to suspend our belief but not by THAT much.
BTW, I loved Sesame Street as a kid, and can still watch it if a younger relative is. What I hated, even as a kid, was all the Warner Brother cartoons, and I still do. Which is probably the exact opposite of most of the people here...
Compared to how many we used to get, YES. Also keep in mind the vast majority of the ones we do get are from autodiallers. Pick up the phone, say hello, get no response, immediately hang up. So you only have to talk to some annoying telemarketer maybe once every few weeks.
It's not paradise, but it's close to it.
Sure, I like to play fun, "kids" games too.
But I, like a lot of the people here, want to occasionally play a game that someone tried to push the envelope with. Game design should be an art, too, and that means grown up storylines occasionally.
Fun is not synonymous with enjoyable. 2001: A Space Odyssey is not a "fun" movie, but I get more enjoyment out of it than any comedy or mindless action film. The latter may be a good way to kill two hours, but you stop thinking about it soon after you see it. A great movie stays with you for a lot longer.
Anyone who's finished Shenmue knows that sizeable chunks of the game aren't very fun. But the lulls make the action scenes more worthwhile.
Look at Ico. The genius of the game wasn't in the gameplay; it was in the characters' movements, the music, the storyline, the atmosphere. I think most children would miss a lot of the beauty, simply because they haven't developed emotionally enough to catch the more subtle touches.
It's not like I suddenly stopped finding Metroid fun. Metroid will always be fun. To actually say something that implies you stop enjoying certain things once you get past a set age, well.... I call bullshit.
I'm not sure if I could have appreciated games like Ico or Shenmue as much if I played it as a child. In the same way, things I enjoyed as a kid (like FPSes) I don't enjoy the same way anymore. Like any other red-blooded American boy, violence thrilled me; now it just depresses me. When I was younger I liked numeric-based CRPGs (Might and Magic, Bard's Tale, etc), but now I wouldn't even start a game with endless, menu-driven combat like that. Life's too short.
So what's so awful about the idea that tastes change as you grow older?
The New York state Do Not Call list works splendidly. Get maybe one or two unsolicited calls a week, and sometimes none.
And in America if you want to eat, it'll set you back about that much a month
Honestly people, there is no justification on plunking down a little expense if it is your LIVELYHOOD for goodness sake. After all, this is like saying that textbooks that contain known science should be handed out for free.
Do you see the flaw in your argument? Hint, it's the third word I quoted.
Just admit you were wrong, man.
You apparently don't watch enough Law & Order. District courts don't set precendents. The only way this could have set a precendent is if the case were appealed at least once.
Close, but still wrong.
District courts don't set BINDING precedents for courts outside their jurisdiction; there's absolutely nothing to prevent defense attorneys from using it, and it can help add weight to their arguments.
IANAL, but I do watch Law and Order reruns a lot.
I would think that this would set precedent so that other defense attorneys will be able to strengthen their cases by citing this.
Of course I'm usually distracted by Carey Lowell or Jill Hennessy or Angie Harmon, but sometimes stuff seeps in to my lust-addled brain...
Ahh, he doesn't rule as much as Yu Suzuki...
If you think taxes are at 50% you're just delusional. 50%. Ha.
It's the law of corporations. The perks go to the people who can afford to pay their own way.
Next time someone waxes poetic about the efficiency of the private sector, laugh in their face.
Your point was that simplistic interpretations are usually wrong? Hmm..
Why are you making huge assumptions about those 10% of unemployed? Isn't it possible that many of them want to work? Haven't you ever been out of a job?
What country are you talking about, anyway? It can't be the US I know, because our unemployment rate is currently at about 6%, and that's considered extremely high.
Only to drones who follow the conservative/libertarian party line.
Rand was a bitter old crank; what exactly did she put in the novel that came true? Did all those square-jawed libertarian architects run away and start their own little society?
There are tradeoffs. Doing "fine for thousands of years" isn't quite true; their life expectancy was probably around 50-60 years, and infant mortality rates probably were around 50%.
I don't think so; the people who didn't already have half-life + mods would tend not to know they could download them.
Yep, after they started releasing all those half-life mods, old, cheap retail versions of half-life vanished off the shelves. Coincidence......
I don't think so. The cretins might watch Entertainment Tonight and read the National Inquirer, but when was the last time you saw someone wearing a Madonna t-shirt?
Maybe Moonraker.
Bah, Road Warrior was a 2 hour fight scene; MM3 was a cinematic, multidimensional view of the postapocalypse. And Star Wars is scifi; not hard scifi, but scifi.
Beyond Thunderdome was the easily the best Mad Max film. Hell, it's probably in the top 5 sf films of all time. Yep, 2001, Star Wars, Thunderdome, that sounds about right.
Go look at all the people urging us to vote for Bush on the old election threads. They claimed he was the "geek" candidate. He was the "libertarian" candidate. Of course, those are the kinds of libertarians who only identify as such because they just hate paying tax that much. Don't care much about other freedoms.
They got their wish though. We may be moving towards a totalitarian police state, but those mean ol' taxes have gone down.
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Now I finally have the measurements needed to make my cookies PERFECTLY round.