First off, why do you (and others) continue to cling to that 65K bugs myth? The people who do that are practically tagging themselves with an "I am vapid" sign -- basically saying to the world, "I get my news from ZDnet headlines." Because anyone who actually went beyond the headline and read the article, or saw the countless, and countless, and countless discussions about it, knows that it was a dishonest headline. Please go check out the article in its entirety.
Now that that's out of the way, onto the main point, about your suspicion.
The reason your suspicions are incorrect is because Microsoft doesn't pass around the source code to the entire Win2K, not even internally. Just as the OS is very modularized, so are the working teams -- they only see the source code for the part of the OS that they're working on, and they aren't allowed access to parts which don't involve them. Certainly there are some people high up on the food chain who have full access, but I doubt they're the type who would leak it.
Also, given the quantity of pre-release software floating around on the net (it was no strenuous exercise to obtain early Win2K builds), I don't think it's very surprising at all that this ended up on the net, too. There are just too many people with access to it to keep a lid on it.
Almost 10 billion of 'em. 10 billion dollars, that is. That's how much VA Linux's market cap has dropped in just a little over three months. You can practically smell the desperation in the lead-ins to Microsoft articles, the desperation from their stock going all the way from 320 down to its current 80 -- for the zealot troglodytes out there, that's a 75% drop -- whoops, lost another 6.1825 points on Tuesday!
We all might as well get used to it now that the business world recognizes that VA Linux's business plan has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Now that their hype's vanishing, it looks like Plan B is to use their Slashdot mouthpiece to tell everyone how evil the competition is.
I did find it pretty funny and revealing that Timothy even admitted that other people submitted the story, yet he went ahead and chose a particularly inflmmatory and dishonest one. Ya know, for all the bitching that Slashdot does about FUD, nobody wallows in it more consistently than Slashdot itself.
It sounds like you're saying that the HTML parser and ECMAscript parser are all one piece, rather than separate components. Is this the case? Can web pages under Mozilla use scripting languages other than ECMAscript (e.g., Perl or Python), like under Internet Explorer, or would they need a plug-in?
Now c'mon, SJ, you know it doesn't work like that.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did [buy it].
Okay, that's two of us, but I think we'll need a little larger sample.
the local CompUSA and Best Buy stores carry WordPerfect 8 and a number of other Linux titles on the shelf
Wouldn't a better sign of selling power be if they were disappearing from the shelves, rather than occupying them? Now, if you're saying that they must be doing well to even have been on the shelf in the first place, I have to note that Microsoft BOB (!) and OS/2 Warp 4 used to be found on store shelves as well.:)
I agree with you that there aren't as many cheapskates in the Linux world as in the Windows world, but that's because Windows users make up around 95% of the users. In percentage terms, though, I'd peg the percentage of Linux cheapskates as substantially higher than that for WIndows. There are no doubt loads of warez kiddies on the Windows side, but they end up accounting for a small portion of the total users. On the other hand, you've got to admit that the stereotype of the Linux user isn't all that far from the demeanor of your average warez kiddie. I'm of the opinion that there's a good-sized overlap. (Note that I'm not referring to someone who might engage in an offhand license abuse -- the percentages of those are probably high in both camps -- but the type unwilling to pay for anything.
I'd consider them both to be hardware development companies. NetAttach, which VA Linux paid about $40 million in stock and cash for, "has developed Linux-based technology for creating a high-availability storage appliance," according to the press releases. (They're part of the Network-Attached Storage [NAS] market.)
TruSolutions got about $200 million in cash in stock, and the main thing they bring to the show is their engineering abilities in designing "Linux-based high-density rackmount servers." This is the purchase that sounds a bit questionable to me -- I don't wanna knock 'em, 'cause I'm all for taking the money and running, but can you really take a look at their website and picture that as a company worth $200 million?
And if so, have you been able to dump it yet, or are you forced to hold onto it for a certain matter of time? What's the feeling around the company about the stock having lost about 72% of its value (from 320 down to 90) in a little over three months, with no sign of bottoming out yet, all while as of last week, VA Linux was still shelling out dough to gobble up other companies like TruSolutions and NetAttach? Any panic in their eyes yet? How low do they think it'll go?
Hi, do you keep in touch with your former colleagues at SGI? I was just wondering if they harbored any bitterness because Linux basically destroyed their company. Does their morale suffer from their PR department making a much larger effort to associate the company with Linux than the effort they put into promoting SGI's own IRIX?
I'm sure a lot of people out there have bought WordPerfect 8 for Linux for example.
Did you buy it? I didn't even know one single person who had until somebody gave me a copy of Corel Linux last week (it comes with WP8; don't even get me started -- can you say "No shadow passwords?" I knew you could). I tend to doubt your "lot of people" statement, although some evidence could sway me.
While a lot of us believe in open source and free software, we are not all totally idealistic about it.
Hey, no offense to you personally, but who said anything about idealism? The conventional wisdom behind Linux users not buying software (Linux or otherwise) has nothing to do with idealism, and all to do with cheapness.
Maybe it's because the Linux community realizes that what UI people like yourself consider "original" is really useless garbage?
That doesn't even make sense. Originality is what it is -- it doesn't say whether any particular original idea is good or bad. If you hate originality, both good or bad, I can see why you love Linux, but if you can actually name any original ideas to have come out of the Linux community, I'm all ears. I'm talking any originality, from the internals to the servers, to the fluffiest user app. Which leads me to my second point about your post: Why would the originality have to come in the form of a UI?
Oh yeah, and what's a "UI person," and how am I one?
If you're typing, why would you want to reach for the mouse just to copy/cut/paste something? I'm not saying that there's not a workaround under X, but I don't think yours is it.
Just go to http://corvin.spb.ru/ and you can download the entire Perl CD Bookshelf (as well as the Web Developer Library and Java Reference Library) from O'Reilly for free. Of course, O'Reilly charges around $60 for each of these, but hey, the guys running the site are Open Source, Linux, and Slashdot groupies, and we all know how altruistic and giving such types are, so I'm sure they're just doing it for the good of the community. Information wants to be free, right?Judging by the large number of similar sites out there, I guess it really does.
Then again, maybe things like this are why O'Reilly's is putting up only 300 bucks for the winner.:)
He's a murderer who hasn't even claimed not to have been involved in his crime. Lucky for him, he has an army of clueless, white, suburban liberal kiddies (who of course feel guilty for having been born into the oh-so-oppressive white race) fighting his battles for him. I can't wait 'til they pull the switch on that street thug.
So you'd have no problem hiring a sicko like Patrick Naughton or a racist criminal like Al Sharpton or the KKK member recently released after vandalizing a synagogue?
Once they've done their time, including probation, the government has no business messing with them anymore. However, if you as a person have no problem associating with the likes of them, I think you'll find that a lot of people would have problems associating with you and your questionable ethics.
The main reason it wasn't successful was because of its large size and high price, but the thing was WAAAY ahead of its time, I can't see how anyone can deny that.
My uncle sold IBM mainframes in the '60s. Sure, they were huge and expensive, but boy, could my uncle laugh up a storm making fun of all those Johnny-come-latelys buying powerful PCs in the '90s. What a bunch of behind-the-times laggards!
Thanks for posting part of the RFC. Would it be asking too much for you to read it next time? Maybe your confusion is due to your poor formatting. You do realize that what you posted refers to three different Cache-Control response directives, right? Public, private, and no-cache. You seem to be getting them all mixed up.
And how do you think, that bullshit is supposed to be cached?
To answer your question, "cache-control: private" indicates that "a private (non-shared) cache MAY cache the response." Now, was that so hard?
In what way do static.asp pages screw up caching for you? Since they can be cached on both the server and your browser, why are you having such a slowdown? (The Coriolis web site doesn't seem to be having that problem, whether I use my browser's cache, or force a reload to test the server's cache.) On which sites using IIS 5.0 have you experience such problems?
Now that Slashdot is owned by VA Linux (LNUX), they're not going to be too enthusiastic about posting positive articles about the competition, like Dell, Microsoft, or the *BSDs. This is a particularly sensitive time, since the stock is practically in free fall now, dropping another 5% of its value today. Three months ago, the stock was at 320. Now that it's below 97 (seeLNUX performance chart), the last thing that VA Linux needs is to lose more potential customers to a BSD, MacOS, or Win2K. (Not to mention that it makes the Andover.net [ANDN] purchase look pretty shaky.) Maybe if the stock improves a bit, we could see your FreeBSD article, but until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.
As of IIS 5.0, which Coriolis is using,.asp pages containing no ASP code whatsoever get processed practically as fast as.html files, with hardly any overhead. There's not much downside to saving all the pages as.asp files, so that you don't have to bother renaming files if you want to add some code to it later. But I guess you didn't know that.
Or, maybe it's just ironic that you thought you knew more about server side processing of web pages than they did, when it turns out your knowledge is pretty lacking.:)
If the GNU FDL 1.0 was good enough for Chairman Mao and his Little Red Book, then it should be good enough for the rest of us. Why do we always feel like we need to keep up with all the changes that go on in the capitalist world? Stay the course, my comrades, our slow and steady GNU 5-year programs will win out in the end!
Well, take the same group, and imagine them talking about which Office suite they wanted to use..............Ayup
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at in your post. I mean, "way to go" to the KDE team and all, but what Microsoft Office user in their right mind would really want to give it up to use KOffice?
I have a feeling that there's some corporate version of Slashdot out there, and the guys in your company are posting about this one IT guy who wants to ram his favorite platform (plus ideology) down their throats.
I've gotta admit, if I manage to find that corporate Slashdot, I'll be moderating that guy's post up.
The only thing I don't know is the background of the guy who sold it. Here's an excerpt from the April 9, 1999 issue of the San Diego Business Journal (it's not a public domain article, so I'd rather not post the whole thing -- it might be available for free if the SDBJ has it on their web site):
Funny thing is, Robertson doesn't know much about the music business.
Oh, wait. He does have some music experience. The self-proclaimed band geek played the clarinet at Westminster High School in Orange County.
Robertson's musical talent never matured, but he does know a thing or two about computers and the Internet.
It was his interest and expertise in the Internet that brought him to MP3, which stands for MPEG1 Layer 3, a format that compresses audio files into compact files that can be stored on a computer hard drive and played back.
Robertson found this technical treasure on the Internet in October 1997 after a suggestion by his director of sales at The Z Co., MP3.com's future parent company.
Robertson liked what he saw and heard so much he purchased the MP3.com domain name for $1,000 from some "computer geek" a month later.
Since then, Robertson has earned the reputation as a digital music guru, something that amuses him.
Here's a link to a New York Times article which raises serious doubts, including the doubts within the administration itself, about the legitimacy of the Sudan bombing raid.
Yes, but the American corporation that you're talking about is Loral. The head of Loral, Bernard Schwartz, was the single largest contributor to Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign.
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Rob, please tell me you know how to program a traditional VCR...
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First off, why do you (and others) continue to cling to that 65K bugs myth? The people who do that are practically tagging themselves with an "I am vapid" sign -- basically saying to the world, "I get my news from ZDnet headlines." Because anyone who actually went beyond the headline and read the article, or saw the countless, and countless, and countless discussions about it, knows that it was a dishonest headline. Please go check out the article in its entirety.
Now that that's out of the way, onto the main point, about your suspicion.
The reason your suspicions are incorrect is because Microsoft doesn't pass around the source code to the entire Win2K, not even internally. Just as the OS is very modularized, so are the working teams -- they only see the source code for the part of the OS that they're working on, and they aren't allowed access to parts which don't involve them. Certainly there are some people high up on the food chain who have full access, but I doubt they're the type who would leak it.
Also, given the quantity of pre-release software floating around on the net (it was no strenuous exercise to obtain early Win2K builds), I don't think it's very surprising at all that this ended up on the net, too. There are just too many people with access to it to keep a lid on it.
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Almost 10 billion of 'em. 10 billion dollars, that is. That's how much VA Linux's market cap has dropped in just a little over three months. You can practically smell the desperation in the lead-ins to Microsoft articles, the desperation from their stock going all the way from 320 down to its current 80 -- for the zealot troglodytes out there, that's a 75% drop -- whoops, lost another 6.1825 points on Tuesday!
We all might as well get used to it now that the business world recognizes that VA Linux's business plan has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Now that their hype's vanishing, it looks like Plan B is to use their Slashdot mouthpiece to tell everyone how evil the competition is.
I did find it pretty funny and revealing that Timothy even admitted that other people submitted the story, yet he went ahead and chose a particularly inflmmatory and dishonest one. Ya know, for all the bitching that Slashdot does about FUD, nobody wallows in it more consistently than Slashdot itself.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
It sounds like you're saying that the HTML parser and ECMAscript parser are all one piece, rather than separate components. Is this the case? Can web pages under Mozilla use scripting languages other than ECMAscript (e.g., Perl or Python), like under Internet Explorer, or would they need a plug-in?
Cheers,
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Now c'mon, SJ, you know it doesn't work like that.
Okay, that's two of us, but I think we'll need a little larger sample.
Wouldn't a better sign of selling power be if they were disappearing from the shelves, rather than occupying them? Now, if you're saying that they must be doing well to even have been on the shelf in the first place, I have to note that Microsoft BOB (!) and OS/2 Warp 4 used to be found on store shelves as well. :)
I agree with you that there aren't as many cheapskates in the Linux world as in the Windows world, but that's because Windows users make up around 95% of the users. In percentage terms, though, I'd peg the percentage of Linux cheapskates as substantially higher than that for WIndows. There are no doubt loads of warez kiddies on the Windows side, but they end up accounting for a small portion of the total users. On the other hand, you've got to admit that the stereotype of the Linux user isn't all that far from the demeanor of your average warez kiddie. I'm of the opinion that there's a good-sized overlap. (Note that I'm not referring to someone who might engage in an offhand license abuse -- the percentages of those are probably high in both camps -- but the type unwilling to pay for anything.
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I'd consider them both to be hardware development companies. NetAttach, which VA Linux paid about $40 million in stock and cash for, "has developed Linux-based technology for creating a high-availability storage appliance," according to the press releases. (They're part of the Network-Attached Storage [NAS] market.)
TruSolutions got about $200 million in cash in stock, and the main thing they bring to the show is their engineering abilities in designing "Linux-based high-density rackmount servers." This is the purchase that sounds a bit questionable to me -- I don't wanna knock 'em, 'cause I'm all for taking the money and running, but can you really take a look at their website and picture that as a company worth $200 million?
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And if so, have you been able to dump it yet, or are you forced to hold onto it for a certain matter of time? What's the feeling around the company about the stock having lost about 72% of its value (from 320 down to 90) in a little over three months, with no sign of bottoming out yet, all while as of last week, VA Linux was still shelling out dough to gobble up other companies like TruSolutions and NetAttach? Any panic in their eyes yet? How low do they think it'll go?
Cheers,
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Hi, do you keep in touch with your former colleagues at SGI? I was just wondering if they harbored any bitterness because Linux basically destroyed their company. Does their morale suffer from their PR department making a much larger effort to associate the company with Linux than the effort they put into promoting SGI's own IRIX?
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Evidence of this, please?
Did you buy it? I didn't even know one single person who had until somebody gave me a copy of Corel Linux last week (it comes with WP8; don't even get me started -- can you say "No shadow passwords?" I knew you could). I tend to doubt your "lot of people" statement, although some evidence could sway me.
Hey, no offense to you personally, but who said anything about idealism? The conventional wisdom behind Linux users not buying software (Linux or otherwise) has nothing to do with idealism, and all to do with cheapness.
Cheers,
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Maybe it's because the Linux community realizes that what UI people like yourself consider "original" is really useless garbage?
That doesn't even make sense. Originality is what it is -- it doesn't say whether any particular original idea is good or bad. If you hate originality, both good or bad, I can see why you love Linux, but if you can actually name any original ideas to have come out of the Linux community, I'm all ears. I'm talking any originality, from the internals to the servers, to the fluffiest user app. Which leads me to my second point about your post: Why would the originality have to come in the form of a UI?
Oh yeah, and what's a "UI person," and how am I one?
Cheers,
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If you're typing, why would you want to reach for the mouse just to copy/cut/paste something? I'm not saying that there's not a workaround under X, but I don't think yours is it.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Just go to http://corvin.spb.ru/ and you can download the entire Perl CD Bookshelf (as well as the Web Developer Library and Java Reference Library) from O'Reilly for free. Of course, O'Reilly charges around $60 for each of these, but hey, the guys running the site are Open Source, Linux, and Slashdot groupies, and we all know how altruistic and giving such types are, so I'm sure they're just doing it for the good of the community. Information wants to be free, right?Judging by the large number of similar sites out there, I guess it really does.
Then again, maybe things like this are why O'Reilly's is putting up only 300 bucks for the winner. :)
Cheers,
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He's a murderer who hasn't even claimed not to have been involved in his crime. Lucky for him, he has an army of clueless, white, suburban liberal kiddies (who of course feel guilty for having been born into the oh-so-oppressive white race) fighting his battles for him. I can't wait 'til they pull the switch on that street thug.
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So you'd have no problem hiring a sicko like Patrick Naughton or a racist criminal like Al Sharpton or the KKK member recently released after vandalizing a synagogue?
Once they've done their time, including probation, the government has no business messing with them anymore. However, if you as a person have no problem associating with the likes of them, I think you'll find that a lot of people would have problems associating with you and your questionable ethics.
Cheers,
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The main reason it wasn't successful was because of its large size and high price, but the thing was WAAAY ahead of its time, I can't see how anyone can deny that.
My uncle sold IBM mainframes in the '60s. Sure, they were huge and expensive, but boy, could my uncle laugh up a storm making fun of all those Johnny-come-latelys buying powerful PCs in the '90s. What a bunch of behind-the-times laggards!
Cheers,
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Thanks for posting part of the RFC. Would it be asking too much for you to read it next time? Maybe your confusion is due to your poor formatting. You do realize that what you posted refers to three different Cache-Control response directives, right? Public, private, and no-cache. You seem to be getting them all mixed up.
To answer your question, "cache-control: private" indicates that "a private (non-shared) cache MAY cache the response." Now, was that so hard?
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In what way do static .asp pages screw up caching for you? Since they can be cached on both the server and your browser, why are you having such a slowdown? (The Coriolis web site doesn't seem to be having that problem, whether I use my browser's cache, or force a reload to test the server's cache.) On which sites using IIS 5.0 have you experience such problems?
Cheers,
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Now that Slashdot is owned by VA Linux (LNUX), they're not going to be too enthusiastic about posting positive articles about the competition, like Dell, Microsoft, or the *BSDs. This is a particularly sensitive time, since the stock is practically in free fall now, dropping another 5% of its value today. Three months ago, the stock was at 320. Now that it's below 97 (seeLNUX performance chart), the last thing that VA Linux needs is to lose more potential customers to a BSD, MacOS, or Win2K. (Not to mention that it makes the Andover.net [ANDN] purchase look pretty shaky.) Maybe if the stock improves a bit, we could see your FreeBSD article, but until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Cheers,
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As of IIS 5.0, which Coriolis is using, .asp pages containing no ASP code whatsoever get processed practically as fast as .html files, with hardly any overhead. There's not much downside to saving all the pages as .asp files, so that you don't have to bother renaming files if you want to add some code to it later. But I guess you didn't know that.
Or, maybe it's just ironic that you thought you knew more about server side processing of web pages than they did, when it turns out your knowledge is pretty lacking. :)
Cheers,
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If the GNU FDL 1.0 was good enough for Chairman Mao and his Little Red Book, then it should be good enough for the rest of us. Why do we always feel like we need to keep up with all the changes that go on in the capitalist world? Stay the course, my comrades, our slow and steady GNU 5-year programs will win out in the end!
Cheers,
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Well, take the same group, and imagine them talking about which Office suite they wanted to use..............Ayup
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at in your post. I mean, "way to go" to the KDE team and all, but what Microsoft Office user in their right mind would really want to give it up to use KOffice?
I have a feeling that there's some corporate version of Slashdot out there, and the guys in your company are posting about this one IT guy who wants to ram his favorite platform (plus ideology) down their throats.
I've gotta admit, if I manage to find that corporate Slashdot, I'll be moderating that guy's post up.
Cheers,
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Doesn't he know that you're supposed to dump the old one and get a trophy wife after the IPO?
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The only thing I don't know is the background of the guy who sold it. Here's an excerpt from the April 9, 1999 issue of the San Diego Business Journal (it's not a public domain article, so I'd rather not post the whole thing -- it might be available for free if the SDBJ has it on their web site):
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Here's a link to a New York Times article which raises serious doubts, including the doubts within the administration itself, about the legitimacy of the Sudan bombing raid.
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Yes, but the American corporation that you're talking about is Loral. The head of Loral, Bernard Schwartz, was the single largest contributor to Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign.
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