hate to burst your little bubble but rendezvous is based on standard RFCs dating to 1997. Sorry, but I don't have particular numbers handy but it is easy enough to look up.
As to the license: welll, IMHO GPL is severely flawed, and I personally, prefer the BSD license.
great people submit RFC's all the time....
to actually get it to move forward you need it to be deployed
and I am sorry to say apple you cant do it on your own you need the BSD, linux and little device OEM's to take it up
its simple put the code under BSD and people actually have an referance much like you use the BSD code for referance when building a IPv6 into Mach kernel
yep I agree even better than this would be 1) release software (pay for it) 2) sell Mac 3) Profit 4) release code to world under BSD 5) sell more mac's because they work best with printers/gateways (find automagically) 6) MORE PROFIT
but this is slashdot and when did having a inteligent way to make money ever be a good thing
we have all seen what happend to apple market share when they did not do things a standard way if they want others to play you have to set out a standard
yes it's their choice
but hey I cant use the Rendezvous in my mac because its not a standard and everything else on the network is non apple is that the kind of thing apple wants to promote ?
APL is compatible with BSD, and they do give back the the *BSD projects, even though the BSD license doesn require it, as well as release Darwin as open source.
ok I was not sure
so I can use it like any other BSD code or do I have to tell apple about what I do with it and what I changed ?
no your cant easily integrate it in but a good start and it helps if at least you can copy and paste things like strucs from one bit of code to another
I for one dont want to have to sign up to the apple licence when I install a linux distro do you ?
in the end yes you can fsck around with things but its alot nicer if someone does a nice port rather than "just makeing it work" which is what you seem to be saying regardless of what you have to sign up for
pity about whoever they pay to do legal work (its often these people that get it wrong)
so from this *BSD nor Linux can NOT use the code
thats AFAIK because its certainly GPL incompatable and I'm not sure about BSD
you would think they would give something back to the BSD boy's and girls as most of the utils apple ship are on that codebase and pray tell whats apples jag's shell BASH from the FSF
sort it apple use the BSD/GPL dual licence for non core simple really and your after people using this aren't you ?
yeah they might like the fact x86-64 is all shiny and new (mac people are attracted to this and mr jobs loves it )
BUT
1/ you would have to get adobe to port photoshop all over again
(photoshop is a carbon app and has lots of PowerPC asm still in the mac version)
2/you would have to have an emulator not only for PowerPC but all the OS interfaces much like running VMware with the whole OS (although VMware approach is of emulating the whole machine you could shortcut it as you only have limited amount to emulate)
3/ the back catalog of hardware that you have like the apple system controller + gigabit NIC ASIC would have to have serious work not just a tweak
so whats really going to happen then smarty pants ?
apple tweaks the system controller for either RapidIO or IBM interface depending on supplier (you get the real thing which matters in computing BANDWIDTH )
they have a seperate level 3 cache that apple can mess around with to get extra performance and so sell differant machines at differant price points
apple use's MOT chips for laptops and IBM chips for servers
umm what happens when you have no 802.11b signal what do you fall down to ?
what happens when your out in the middle of backwater and you really do need that towtruck ?
you need GSM still
3g networks are not stupid they would much rather have VoIP and manage everything as data anyway and are infact asking handset people about this Nokia is very keen to sell stuff that use's VoIP and management of bandwidth strange..... I dont think so
why USB ? because firewire you have to pay apple for every device you ship (unless your sony who apple love)
USB is a standard that is Open and backwards compatable and people love that because it works with all your old hardware
but it might have to have 2 ports one for power and one for USB which kind of sucks (although this has changed in USB 2 it depends on the power ) unlike the firewire that you can draw a decent amount of power from
then again 7 or 8 years ago mention mp3 and people had not heard of that
ogg because its free means not having to pay people for their libs which means reduced costs and so reduced cost to consumer (the fact that large companys have already payed does not mean its not true) AND its what I think is right we can have an opinion infact they are credited to us in the small print at the bottom of this page
if your writeing a music app that is fairly self contained and your part of a small company I would not put MP3 in it because of the law simple as that
why not just make a portable audio player that allows you to flash any type of audio decoder into it. So when new versions/better formats come out, you just flash your player and you can play the new format.
they do apple use's a hardware MP3 decoder with a ARM7 much like the rio's so they could infact play windows media if they really wanted
you get upgardes via apple support infact I just downloaded a new firmware to allow it to act as a calander/phone book
Because then you wouldn't make money off of selling the next player when the old one isn't good enough any more?
this is of course true to an extent it is after all what the market will take most players claim that they are software upgrades and they fix bugs this way
how hard is this for them ? what I really think is the problem is quicktime/iTunes which cant deal with variable bit rate codec's so playing them on the mac is a no no
oh and USB2 connection ? sure you dont have to pay a buck to apple every time you sell a device but the power has to be a separate plug
being able to manage assets ? (like jpegs and 3d models i.e. not text based)
first of all you need a file format (even if your going to store it in a DB or a RCS )
then you need a way to send and recive those things
solution 1 openoffice file format solution 2 HTTP
you can browse via a browser or simply treat it as a file system (web dav does have versioning)
the problem that people have is mixing content with a publishing system and these after all are 2 differant things a publishing system will be able to manipulate the content to a certain format e.g. HTML for publishing on the web or WAP for publishing to mobile phones and should be able to deal with the data manipulation
boils down to if the retailers will accept it, not the consumers this will only happen if you cant cheat them because after all they dont want to lose money because the system is insecure
visa cards are after all very insecure but reatilers put up with them because they make them money
the key is retailers and they are not about to sign up to a insecure system just to get ripped off
regards
John Jones
p.s. Visa are in http://www.projectliberty.org and are not in the habit of throwing money away or doing it for the good of mankind
you would think that ISP's would cut them out
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you would think that ISP's would just remove them
after all Acceptable Use means that I cant go port scanning why the hell should they ?
and they use all the bandwidth and after all if your a telco you PAY for the amount of data
its not really all that hard and they get the margins by putting on a smart card reader on it and asking you to buy a BIG SUN server to run your web portal and sign on DB
which makes sense because you where running you NIS+ on a SUN anyway and now you want to upgrade to liberty (-;
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hate to burst your little bubble but rendezvous is based on standard RFCs dating to 1997. Sorry, but I don't have particular numbers handy but it is easy enough to look up.
As to the license: welll, IMHO GPL is severely flawed, and I personally, prefer the BSD license.
great people submit RFC's all the time....
to actually get it to move forward you need it to be deployed
and I am sorry to say apple you cant do it on your own you need the BSD, linux and little device OEM's to take it up
its simple put the code under BSD and people actually have an referance much like you use the BSD code for referance when building a IPv6 into Mach kernel
regards
John Jones
1) Release open source software
2) Sell iMac which it runs on
3) PROFIT!
yep I agree even better than this would be
1) release software (pay for it)
2) sell Mac
3) Profit
4) release code to world under BSD
5) sell more mac's because they work best with printers/gateways (find automagically)
6) MORE PROFIT
but this is slashdot and when did having a inteligent way to make money ever be a good thing
regards
John Jones
and we all start from scratch doing our own thing implementing it well/badly
would solve alot of problems if they just dual licenced it and it could be submitted to be used in *bsd and linux tommorow
if they want results fast they should just give the code under BSD
regards
John Jones
thanks for the links
regards
john Jones
we have all seen what happend to apple market share when they did not do things a standard way if they want others to play you have to set out a standard
yes it's their choice
but hey I cant use the Rendezvous in my mac because its not a standard and everything else on the network is non apple is that the kind of thing apple wants to promote ?
regards
John Jones
infact I wrote in reply to one of your coments if you dont read anything after you write it then....
they HAD to release GCC changes its freaking GPL
I dont hate apple I type this on the family G3
its not compatable with the GPL, that and BSD are my favorite licenses so thats 50% bad
regards
John Jones
google so you have to dont think
APL is compatible with BSD, and they do give back the the *BSD projects, even though the BSD license doesn require it, as well as release Darwin as open source.
ok I was not sure
so I can use it like any other BSD code or do I have to tell apple about what I do with it and what I changed ?
(-;
regards
John Jones
ok
sigh
no your cant easily integrate it in but a good start and it helps if at least you can copy and paste things like strucs from one bit of code to another
I for one dont want to have to sign up to the apple licence when I install a linux distro do you ?
in the end
yes you can fsck around with things but its alot nicer if someone does a nice port rather than "just makeing it work" which is what you seem to be saying regardless of what you have to sign up for
sorry your argument fails on so many levels
regards
John Jones
yes it is great about apple
pity about whoever they pay to do legal work
(its often these people that get it wrong)
so from this *BSD nor Linux can NOT use the code
thats AFAIK
because its certainly GPL incompatable and I'm not sure about BSD
you would think they would give something back to the BSD boy's and girls as most of the utils apple ship are on that codebase and pray tell whats apples jag's shell BASH from the FSF
sort it apple use the BSD/GPL dual licence for non core
simple really and your after people using this aren't you ?
regards
John Jones
yeah they might like the fact x86-64 is all shiny and new (mac people are attracted to this and mr jobs loves it )
BUT
1/ you would have to get adobe to port photoshop all over again
(photoshop is a carbon app and has lots of PowerPC asm still in the mac version)
2/you would have to have an emulator not only for PowerPC but all the OS interfaces much like running VMware with the whole OS
(although VMware approach is of emulating the whole machine you could shortcut it as you only have limited amount to emulate)
3/ the back catalog of hardware that you have like the apple system controller + gigabit NIC ASIC would have to have serious work not just a tweak
so whats really going to happen then smarty pants ?
apple tweaks the system controller for either RapidIO or IBM interface depending on supplier
(you get the real thing which matters in computing BANDWIDTH )
they have a seperate level 3 cache that apple can mess around with to get extra performance and so sell differant machines at differant price points
apple use's MOT chips for laptops and IBM chips for servers
regards
John Jones
does anyone actually know of a PCMCIA card that does both Bluetooth and 802.11b ?
that would make alot of people Very happy
regards
john jones
p.s. bluetooth phone dialup when your not in the office and 802.11b for when you are
I belive that you cant legally run 802.11a in the UK or europe
intel had to get a licence for London Fashion Week where they did video streaming of differant shows
not sure about china or taiwan anyone know
regards
John Jones
umm what happens when you have no 802.11b signal what do you fall down to ?
..... I dont think so
what happens when your out in the middle of backwater and you really do need that towtruck ?
you need GSM still
3g networks are not stupid they would much rather have VoIP and manage everything as data anyway and are infact asking handset people about this Nokia is very keen to sell stuff that use's VoIP and management of bandwidth strange
regards
John Jones
ADS and SDT is what most people use because you can use MultICE and the libs are very good its what I presume the engineers are using
;-)
I didnt think that the chip they used was brain dead you live you learn (-;
I knew that USB2 could draw more current than USB1.1 is it really that much ?
(enough to power a drive and recharge the battery ? if so cool
regards
John Jones
why USB ?
because firewire you have to pay apple for every device you ship (unless your sony who apple love)
USB is a standard that is Open and backwards compatable and people love that because it works with all your old hardware
but it might have to have 2 ports one for power and one for USB which kind of sucks (although this has changed in USB 2 it depends on the power )
unlike the firewire that you can draw a decent amount of power from
regards
John Jones
then again 7 or 8 years ago mention mp3 and people had not heard of that
ogg because its free means not having to pay people for their libs which means reduced costs and so reduced cost to consumer (the fact that large companys have already payed does not mean its not true)
AND
its what I think is right
we can have an opinion infact they are credited to us in the small print at the bottom of this page
if your writeing a music app that is fairly self contained and your part of a small company I would not put MP3 in it because of the law simple as that
regards
John Jones
why not just make a portable audio player that allows you to flash any type of audio decoder into it. So when new versions/better formats come out, you just flash your player and you can play the new format.
they do apple use's a hardware MP3 decoder with a ARM7 much like the rio's so they could infact play windows media if they really wanted
you get upgardes via apple support infact I just downloaded a new firmware to allow it to act as a calander/phone book
Because then you wouldn't make money off of selling the next player when the old one isn't good enough any more?
this is of course true to an extent it is after all what the market will take most players claim that they are software upgrades and they fix bugs this way
regards
John Jones
oh apple when will you do the right thing ?
its libs are BSD !
they are can be compiled via ARM ADS
and its free
how hard is this for them ?
what I really think is the problem is quicktime/iTunes which cant deal with variable bit rate codec's so playing them on the mac is a no no
oh and USB2 connection ?
sure you dont have to pay a buck to apple every time you sell a device but the power has to be a separate plug
2 connections on my audio machine not me
regards
John Jones
of course
littlefinger aches
regards
John Jones
ok what do people mean here ?
being able to manage assets ?
(like jpegs and 3d models i.e. not text based)
first of all you need a file format (even if your going to store it in a DB or a RCS )
then you need a way to send and recive those things
solution 1 openoffice file format
solution 2 HTTP
you can browse via a browser or simply treat it as a file system (web dav does have versioning)
the problem that people have is mixing content with a publishing system and these after all are 2 differant things a publishing system will be able to manipulate the content to a certain format e.g. HTML for publishing on the web or WAP for publishing to mobile phones and should be able to deal with the data manipulation
regards
John Jones
what it comes down to is if you can make money
boils down to if the retailers will accept it, not the consumers
this will only happen if you cant cheat them because after all they dont want to lose money because the system is insecure
visa cards are after all very insecure but reatilers put up with them because they make them money
the key is retailers and they are not about to sign up to a insecure system just to get ripped off
regards
John Jones
p.s. Visa are in http://www.projectliberty.org and are not in the habit of throwing money away or doing it for the good of mankind
you would think that ISP's would just remove them
after all Acceptable Use means that I cant go port scanning why the hell should they ?
and they use all the bandwidth and after all if your a telco you PAY for the amount of data
regards
John Jones
as I said above
its not really all that hard and they get the margins by putting on a smart card reader on it and asking you to buy a BIG SUN server to run your web portal and sign on DB
which makes sense because you where running you NIS+ on a SUN anyway and now you want to upgrade to liberty (-;
regards
John Jones
Sun are pitching it at people who own call centers and Uni's
The box's that Sun will sell have Smart Card readers in
this means that JavaCard
basically easy to setup and sign on with BIG SUN server's doing the web portal and sign on crypto
I would put a bet on it containing www so everyone is happy includeing Visa who will send you more junk mail telling you are approved
regards
John Jones
well why dont you phone up ARM or MIPS
and maybe do some work rather than just reading slasdot before you have to put in your copy
how do I know this ?
no geek would care for surveys I only knew it because I had to work in those places
regards
John Jones