"If google wants to collect data I could care less because I have a fuzzy warm trust feeling when I use their software."
What happens when they burn your trust? Bit late to take all your information back. Oops.
What happens? They get sued, and they also suffer a huge downturn in their business because the media would jump on it and there'd be an uproar. Their business depends on people's trust. What YOU are doing is called FUD.
That warm fuzzy trust feeling...its called good will. They are trading on that. Its an entry on their balance sheet. Its valuable to them. But they'll sell it tomorrow for the right price.
No because that would be illegal. Its against pretty much all privacy laws. What could they possibly gain by breaking a law that could very well mean their business crumbles?
What if they're hacked (again)?
And who knows what direction the next CEO will go? What if their advertising revenues collapses? Or they pull an Enron? For all we know the ultimate fate of google will be to be bought out by Microsoft.. the very company you feel has to be "kept at bay". And suddenly Microsoft has all your information... that you so willingly handed over to Google. Oops.
Lets get something straight - they dont have "all" anyone's information. They just know what sites you visit (using chrome) and what you searched for. There's a HUGE difference.
If you read what they actually use it for, and what they do with it (they tell you quite plainly), you'll find that its anonymized within 24 hours and 98% of the time its not even stored to begin with.
If you're still worried, then you need to seek help.
That's what occurs on the surface of Google Suggest. Here's what happens under the hood. To provide its recommendations Google Suggest needs to know what you've already typed, so these partial queries are sent to Google. For 98% of these requests, we don't log any data at all and simply return the suggestions. For the remaining 2% of cases (which we select randomly), we do log data, like IP addresses, in order to monitor and improve the service.
However, given the concerns that have been raised about Google storing this information -- and its limited potential use -- we decided that we will anonymize it within about 24 hours (basically, as soon as we practically can) in the 2% of Google Suggest requests we use. This will take a little time to implement, but we expect it to be in place before the end of the month.
Emphasis mine.
Its annoying that they said this because it kind of ruins all our conspiracy theories...
Maybe they're just lying. Thats it. They're lying....keep the theories going folks...it makes for an interesting read...and its easy to spot the vitamin-D deficient folks too...
Yes, it *is* a big difference. And I think you fail to appreciate the significance here. Under default settings, Chrome is effectively sending your entire browsing history to Google.
oh no, they know I visit slashdot, and a car forum, and my own websites, and even www.google.com.au - wow. So scary. They basically know about all of my personal interests. I wonder what they'll do with all that personal info.
I was about to include a whole lot more but then I realised I came across almost all other websites ON GOOGLE's own search results. In other words, the difference chrome makes compared to what already happens is so minor.
Better switch to Bing while you're switching browsers, or maybe write your own crawler bot and your own search engine...but not in an invasive way of course.
Oh, and put yet another bar and padlock across the door to your basement.
You dont want any of that privacy invading sunlight getting in - that lets people see what you look like. People might even take your photo in the street. Or you could brush past someone and then they have your ENTIRE DNA.
How far do you go before (1) you look like a total idiot to the rest of society and (2) your life is so badly impacted by your paranoia that you are barely even alive any more.
No, it's not. Any developer knows that you could very well have both inputs being sent continuously to whomever they want.
You are missing it.
The search box *is* sent continuously, in both browsers.
Whereas with an address bar, you are right, "it could be sent continuously"
One of these things is not like the other.
Well lets put it in perspective...
The data that is sent to google, you are right, it could be used for malicious purposes.
But here's the thing: it *isn't* being used for malicious purposes. Sure you can add "yet" on the end of that, but it doesn't change the facts as they stand right now.
His point is that whatever you type to the address is not being send to anywhere. There is no auto-completion. When you want to search for something you go the other box and type a few letters, which upon the browser sends a request for auto-suggestions (and obviously whatever you've typed in).
Separating these two is a huge thing. As it is with Chrome, Google knows everything you've typed in and what websites you have visited. With other browsers (with separated address and search bars) they only know what you're typing to the search query box. Major difference.
I (like many other people) couldn't give a damn what they know. How many websites do you visit where you didn't first come across the website on google anyway? I mean, if you do a google search on another browser, they already have your search terms, and then if you click on any of the results - bingo, they know you went there.
Google has been around for a long time and not once has there been any privacy abuse by Google this whole time. Sure, people complain that google is collecting data, but until this day (and to my knowledge) they haven't done any of the things with it that people are so scared of. They cant legally sell that data to any 3rd party anyway, so basically they can only use it to help improve their products, which is exactly what they claim they are doing.
The only issue I can remember is with the launch of Buzz, but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this was a mistake if not a bug and that it was quickly corrected once the issue was raised.
There is a growing number of people with a hate for Google purely over what they COULD do even though they haven't done a single thing yet. How much paranoia is too much?
given that the copyrights date back 20-something years or so already (not sure how long Novell has owned them for), one would assume that if they were going to abuse their position, they would have done so before now...
I agree. I'm a huge fan of digital post-processing - like what you said - just for changing the colours etc. I dont do any cut & paste or any modification other than getting the colours to look right and also some sharpening etc.
I often delve into creative/artistic photography - it combines my passion for computers and photography and technology in general.
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Well I did say "in my experience" - but you weren't to know what that was...
offtopic i know:
At first glance it looked like Microsoft didn’t have an april fools joke on their website today...
But then I saw this:
Internet Explorer 8 - faster, safer and easier than ever
Well done Microsoft. You got me.
"If google wants to collect data I could care less because I have a fuzzy warm trust feeling when I use their software."
What happens when they burn your trust? Bit late to take all your information back. Oops.
What happens? They get sued, and they also suffer a huge downturn in their business because the media would jump on it and there'd be an uproar. Their business depends on people's trust. What YOU are doing is called FUD.
That warm fuzzy trust feeling...its called good will. They are trading on that. Its an entry on their balance sheet. Its valuable to them. But they'll sell it tomorrow for the right price.
No because that would be illegal. Its against pretty much all privacy laws. What could they possibly gain by breaking a law that could very well mean their business crumbles?
What if they're hacked (again)?
And who knows what direction the next CEO will go? What if their advertising revenues collapses? Or they pull an Enron? For all we know the ultimate fate of google will be to be bought out by Microsoft.. the very company you feel has to be "kept at bay". And suddenly Microsoft has all your information... that you so willingly handed over to Google. Oops.
Lets get something straight - they dont have "all" anyone's information. They just know what sites you visit (using chrome) and what you searched for. There's a HUGE difference.
If you read what they actually use it for, and what they do with it (they tell you quite plainly), you'll find that its anonymized within 24 hours and 98% of the time its not even stored to begin with.
If you're still worried, then you need to seek help.
so they know...big deal. so does your mum. which one do you think cares more?
+9999999 agree.
That's what occurs on the surface of Google Suggest. Here's what happens under the hood. To provide its recommendations Google Suggest needs to know what you've already typed, so these partial queries are sent to Google. For 98% of these requests, we don't log any data at all and simply return the suggestions. For the remaining 2% of cases (which we select randomly), we do log data, like IP addresses, in order to monitor and improve the service.
However, given the concerns that have been raised about Google storing this information -- and its limited potential use -- we decided that we will anonymize it within about 24 hours (basically, as soon as we practically can) in the 2% of Google Suggest requests we use. This will take a little time to implement, but we expect it to be in place before the end of the month.
Emphasis mine.
Its annoying that they said this because it kind of ruins all our conspiracy theories...
Maybe they're just lying. Thats it. They're lying....keep the theories going folks...it makes for an interesting read...and its easy to spot the vitamin-D deficient folks too...
Yes, it *is* a big difference. And I think you fail to appreciate the significance here. Under default settings, Chrome is effectively sending your entire browsing history to Google.
oh no, they know I visit slashdot, and a car forum, and my own websites, and even www.google.com.au - wow. So scary. They basically know about all of my personal interests. I wonder what they'll do with all that personal info.
I was about to include a whole lot more but then I realised I came across almost all other websites ON GOOGLE's own search results. In other words, the difference chrome makes compared to what already happens is so minor.
Better switch to Bing while you're switching browsers, or maybe write your own crawler bot and your own search engine...but not in an invasive way of course.
Oh, and put yet another bar and padlock across the door to your basement.
You dont want any of that privacy invading sunlight getting in - that lets people see what you look like. People might even take your photo in the street. Or you could brush past someone and then they have your ENTIRE DNA.
How far do you go before (1) you look like a total idiot to the rest of society and (2) your life is so badly impacted by your paranoia that you are barely even alive any more.
No, it's not. Any developer knows that you could very well have both inputs being sent continuously to whomever they want.
You are missing it.
The search box *is* sent continuously, in both browsers.
Whereas with an address bar, you are right, "it could be sent continuously"
One of these things is not like the other.
Well lets put it in perspective...
The data that is sent to google, you are right, it could be used for malicious purposes.
But here's the thing: it *isn't* being used for malicious purposes. Sure you can add "yet" on the end of that, but it doesn't change the facts as they stand right now.
You have put your tinfoil hat too strictly now.
His point is that whatever you type to the address is not being send to anywhere. There is no auto-completion. When you want to search for something you go the other box and type a few letters, which upon the browser sends a request for auto-suggestions (and obviously whatever you've typed in).
Separating these two is a huge thing. As it is with Chrome, Google knows everything you've typed in and what websites you have visited. With other browsers (with separated address and search bars) they only know what you're typing to the search query box. Major difference.
I (like many other people) couldn't give a damn what they know. How many websites do you visit where you didn't first come across the website on google anyway? I mean, if you do a google search on another browser, they already have your search terms, and then if you click on any of the results - bingo, they know you went there.
Google has been around for a long time and not once has there been any privacy abuse by Google this whole time. Sure, people complain that google is collecting data, but until this day (and to my knowledge) they haven't done any of the things with it that people are so scared of. They cant legally sell that data to any 3rd party anyway, so basically they can only use it to help improve their products, which is exactly what they claim they are doing.
The only issue I can remember is with the launch of Buzz, but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this was a mistake if not a bug and that it was quickly corrected once the issue was raised.
There is a growing number of people with a hate for Google purely over what they COULD do even though they haven't done a single thing yet. How much paranoia is too much?
yeah that Kool-Aid must've been quite something. Maybe they should go into selling that stuff...might've made them profitable and all.
apparently its not as "well-known" as you think.
read it again. I didn't say emergency linux patches dont exist, I said they are rare. At least not as common as windows ones.
only in the literal sense
In case you have sigs turned off: Let's have a voluntary moratorium on "fixed that for ya" replies. They have long since ceased to be witty.
-Peter
I think you meant "you".
on the other hand, trolls have never been wanted.
Goodbye Darl.
Please close the door on your way out.
You have 30 seconds to leave the building...
given that the copyrights date back 20-something years or so already (not sure how long Novell has owned them for), one would assume that if they were going to abuse their position, they would have done so before now...
what about emergency ones?
in my experience these are VERY rare, except on Windows.
this isn't just about support - they are banning it. Thats very different to just not supporting it.
I agree. I'm a huge fan of digital post-processing - like what you said - just for changing the colours etc. I dont do any cut & paste or any modification other than getting the colours to look right and also some sharpening etc.
I often delve into creative/artistic photography - it combines my passion for computers and photography and technology in general.
I thought of those too. I guess they are INDEPENDENT systems but these days they are hardly MANUAL.
Both the ignition and the gearshift are electronically controlled in today's cars.
The fact you got modded down kinda suggests it isn't. Some things never get old. Deal with it :)
Deep Sleep? Yes, and when you come back to use your laptop, you'll see a little hole in the side, and a nice pink laptop sitting there next to it...
I hear ya...no wait...
The stuff that should be patentable is patentable, a very tiny fraction of the stuff that should not be patentable is no longer patentable.
there, fixed it for you.