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The bones of the site are up. I will add more information the coming days, but from what I am gathering the bee hive has already been kicked - we just need to organize and direct that energy somewhere that it can do some good - at advertisers and higher-ups. Make them hurt where it counts.
I am not "That good" in the manner which we're speaking, either. We will have to hope that we can get this some attention from people who want to protect the image of FOSS and actually are "that good" to take a look, or see what we might be able to learn as we go along.
Alright, the board has been made, but before I start to spread it around, I need to create a board sticky and do some basic digging to provide some direction - you, or anybody else reading, can help out with this portion if you want, and post results here.
What I am going to be looking for is a list of advertising supporters and a list of university hosts, along with all of the associations stated Code of Ethics, as well as that of SourceForge. If (and I am positive that is actually a "when") violations are found, they will be cited properly, and after that, a list of email addresses for relevant people to email will be grouped into a document and linked to in that sticky. That's where the emails come in. Citing the Code of Ethics violations, investigations will be launched by those respective institutions, and when enough people make a splash, that's when heads start to turn, and change starts to happen.
Unfortunately this is happening on today of all days, and I am tied up with obligations, but I fully intend to have a functional sticky very soon. I will update you within 24 hours, with at least some research done, if you are willing to actually pursue this and assist in spreading the word here in the comments section and elsewhere in the FOSS community. If you aren't actually interested, please let me know.
Maybe we need to find a place to congregate that respects user's freedoms to discuss it. I know 8chan enables board creation, does not log IP addresses for more than 24 hours, and respects the 1st amendment to the full extent that it is legal. A board could be created there to organize.
I don't think that he would have made any sort of fuss about this entire ordeal, nor would he have lied on the grave of his mother just to give it to another person. People out there aren't heartless monsters 24/7, you know.
I suppose where I disagreed with you was with your statement,
"Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Steve Wozniak were part of the Digital Revolution where they wanted to decentralize data and put computers in the hands of the people."
Which is a contradictory statement.
Once the above companies stop supporting their software, it becomes insecure, and because it is closed-source, we are forced to upgrade. That's software centralization and control if there ever was such a thing.
Perhaps unwittingly, we both bought into the idea (at least in the scope of this discussion) that the software they offered was ever "ours" to begin with. That their offerings were ever "in the hands of the people" which non-free software certainly isn't.
So the "Centralized software" idea is already farther along than I realized initially, and perhaps farther along than you realized initially. What it isn't, is sandboxed; a good suggestion.
So the centralization aspects would be functional in a manner that you suggest, but only under two conditions: 1) it is GNU/Free as in GNU/Freedom (lol) 2) Private
and for sandboxing, clearly the only option is to get rid of things like systemd. Like that one guy's sig, "If anyone knows why GNOME chose to depend on systemd, please tell me." If we don't know why, we don't have control, if we don't have control, etc., etc.
"centralized locations are good" " they wanted to decentralize data and put computers in the hands of the people. Now it looks like we need a backlash."
Would you happen to be selling a Cloud "App" or Subscription-Based software service perchance? All I need to do is sign up now for a 10% discount** to a program I won't have to do anything to maintain, right?
I can see that you have a point, but right now, with the state of privacy what it is, air-gapped or firewalled local area networks and local storage are the most secure places for my data, as far as I'm concerned. No grandma is going to set up a Home "mainframe-style architecture" to look at cats on the internet. She would sooner sign up for MS Windows "We Promise*** it's safe**** with us" Edition for all of her OS and "App" needs, and with internet speeds becoming faster, I fear that your suggested model is one we are moving toward.
**Discount may not be combined with any other offer or personal/technological freedom of any kind
***MS not liable for any violations of privacy
****Not safe from any advertising agency or governmental inquiries
"...munching matter at close to the maximum physically possible rate for most of it's existence." One of their physicists must be really good at yo momma jokes.
"This guy makes lots of enemies because he signed up to do so. Therefore he is above the law that we are all subject to"
Sorry, that's not how public service works. Police are required to wear ID badges, judges don't use false aliases, and your comment is pungent with a lack of legal understanding and how it affects society at large. Were it a crime for people to hold *unelected officials* such as judges and police officers personally accountable for their actions because "they have a right to anonymity - we don't," which is what I gather from your misbegotten sense of Social Justice, we would certainly be in a bind when they themselves break the law or give unfairly disproportional treatment to people such as minorities - a persistent issue - which I imagine your particularly irrational brand of sensibility would agree with.
I imagine you are having a hard time reconciling those two ideas. On the one hand, you desire to have a "Good" side and an "Evil" side to support your simplistic worldview, but on the other hand, you have to admit that "the system" does a lot of wrong, too. Silk Road is not any more evil than a system that imprisons teens for smoking plants while bankers that destroy economies run free. Your unelected "Masters" that you are defending do not care about you. They do not care about your rights. Their lack of willingness to respect OUR privacy is what drives more and more people to be concerned with Anonymity and privacy, creating places like Silk Road, 8chan, TOR, etc., and here you are defending the initial aggressors. The war mongers. It's the people who "fight back" that are the terrorists, right?
>I am conservative with myself, AND liberal with others.
>There is no paradox except the fallacy of assuming truth is binary.
I can appreciate your word play to a degree, but have you forgotten this is about life and death? 1 and 0?
Quote my OP
>reveal your hubris regarding the human perspective being the "absolute" one, then go right ahead
As you say, truth is not binary, and it is the enforcement of YOUR moral truth on the life of another that means you do not respect that they may have their own version of "truth," as in, intelligence or simply the desire to live and reproduce as we do.
It is a personal choice for me to think of animals as having lives of value, as it is a personal choice for you to believe that you have the right to end life for your convenience. Just don't pretend to be above it - don't hide from killing things yourself, because it's what you support. Be honest.
Life or death. That's it. 1 or 0. You end the chicken's life or you don't.
If you can say, "I have no problem killing things" and I see you killing animals yourself, then I will respect your decision to eat meat as a personal one. If you live with a double-standard, however, and will not kill animals yourself, yet do not consider it "wrong" to eat them, you live a life of inconsistent logic down at the fundamental level of basic survival.
I became a vegetarian when my high school ceramics teacher told me about he became a vegetarian. He was on a vacation fishing salmon in Alaska, away from his wife and children.
He caught a salmon too far upstream and its meat was squishy, and its head was ugly and twisted. Another fisherman told him why his fish looked so strange. The salmon develop this way as they enter the stream and undergo this transformation for a dual purpose: One, so that they can more effectively fight to reproduce
and two, so that their body is already mostly digested, so that should they successfully mate, their body will be easier to eat for their yet-unborn children. The mothers do the same and offer their lives as well.
As a father, the sacrifice of the animal struck him as something he would be willing to do for his own children.
As a human, he realized that river-heads are where our species trap, for consumption, most of these animals. Exploiting their beautiful purpose, and only leaving as many as needed to ensure our free profit for next season's catch.
If you want to point out that there have been no studies indicating that animals have what humans understand as "feelings" and reveal your hubris regarding the human perspective being the "absolute" one, then go right ahead. I choose to live in a world occupied by other living, breathing, thinking things, not a world inhabited by mindless and emotionless machines. What you eat is slain, dead flesh that lived with as much a purpose as we do.
...believed 4chan when it came to GamerGate.
When it came to the massively unfair, unethical, immoral, and repugnant "Reporting" practices of the games industry - but you were so quick to white-knight and presume that women can do no evil.
Here we see what is likely the SAME group of people - the extreme leftists and "feminists" who are not egalitarian - who are willing to burn books and hubs of information and opinion - all in the name of equality, and you supported them.
For all of you who disagreed with GamerGate because you dismissed the evidence, I hope you feel like you've been slapped.
Your perspectives, your ethics that you so "valiantly" defended, and your presumptions about 4chan being nothing but a cesspool were entirely wrong - for all of your keyboard-warrior prowess and mod points.
Your support led to the censorship of 4chan regarding the gamergate issue on ALL boards - new moderators that worked (for free) for m00t after he spoke with Anita Sarkeesian were perma-banning people (myself included) who posted in or about GamerGate on grounds of "child pornography" because that's one of the most offensive and pungent ways to perma-ban somebody on the website.
All of this, the majority of the Slashdot wise-men supported.
I'm sickened.
Credible threats? Coming from the internet video-gaming community? If all threats made under the influence of nerd-rage were credible, there wouldn't be a man or woman alive anywhere on the planet. Sarkeesian is a damsel in distress, but the primary issue is that dissenting opinions are being actively suppressed via threat deletion on sites like r/Gaming and even 4chan. Internet archive entries are being deleted without question because the cry of misogyny has been made, etc.
That's the issue. Censorship in gaming due to PC.
This is the prohibition of our era - you are taking the one thing that keeps lots of us nerds complacentÃ"escapism.
It is denying and publicly humiliating all of the quests that gamers over the years have made and connected with. "You enjoyed saving the princess in Super Mario World? You disgusting pig, how dare you? You haven't even considered the perspective of women whothroughouttheyearshavebeensoopprressed Ican'tbelievethatyouwouldbesooppressivetomedoyouevencareaboutmyfeelings lookatthisrapewhenmarioriskshislifetosaveyou ASIFINEEDEDTOBESAVEDIAMNOTAVICTIM IAMSTRONGHELPMEGAMINGCOMMUNITYHELP"
Of course there are people who are angry. Half of us choose video games because we don't want to DEAL with this kind of shit.
>inb4 well this is reality, get used to it. You can't sit there and enjoy what you enjoy if it triggers me.
Well, misogyny, bigotry, and *anger* are reality, so get used to it. This is not a "tech" issue. It happens all over the world, over every conceivable topic. It is part of the human condition. All Sarkeesian is doing is profiting off of it - she is a twitter-war profiteer.
Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that perhaps the reason shows and plots are getting better only because specialization in education is becoming more necessary?
Instead of getting your neighbor Bob to film All in the Family, now you've got a guy who has studied cinematography for 4 years at USC Film school, so naturally you're going to get more complex and interesting shots. Likewise, you've got teams of Creative Writing majors writing the shows who probably have more or less skill in a particular area, like writing a dramatic fight scene, a great style of comedy, etc. What must be helping too is that with the ease of communication (internet) ideas and techniques spread more quickly. So you put all of those very specialized people together and make something better/more complex. I don't think that it's necessarily a result of greater "intelligence" in the entire group.
I've learned to solve problems with reason, from trial and error, learning from other people mistakes, and role models. I'd hate to think that society's ability to problem solve has become even remotely quantifiable. If my girlfriend is driving away all of my buddies, and I really care for her, you can bet I'm not going to graph the inequality and solve for "x." I'm going to talk to her.
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The bones of the site are up. I will add more information the coming days, but from what I am gathering the bee hive has already been kicked - we just need to organize and direct that energy somewhere that it can do some good - at advertisers and higher-ups. Make them hurt where it counts.
https://8ch.net/sourcefraud/ca...
I am not "That good" in the manner which we're speaking, either. We will have to hope that we can get this some attention from people who want to protect the image of FOSS and actually are "that good" to take a look, or see what we might be able to learn as we go along.
Updates to come later.
Alright, the board has been made, but before I start to spread it around, I need to create a board sticky and do some basic digging to provide some direction - you, or anybody else reading, can help out with this portion if you want, and post results here.
What I am going to be looking for is a list of advertising supporters and a list of university hosts, along with all of the associations stated Code of Ethics, as well as that of SourceForge. If (and I am positive that is actually a "when") violations are found, they will be cited properly, and after that, a list of email addresses for relevant people to email will be grouped into a document and linked to in that sticky. That's where the emails come in. Citing the Code of Ethics violations, investigations will be launched by those respective institutions, and when enough people make a splash, that's when heads start to turn, and change starts to happen.
Unfortunately this is happening on today of all days, and I am tied up with obligations, but I fully intend to have a functional sticky very soon. I will update you within 24 hours, with at least some research done, if you are willing to actually pursue this and assist in spreading the word here in the comments section and elsewhere in the FOSS community. If you aren't actually interested, please let me know.
Maybe we need to find a place to congregate that respects user's freedoms to discuss it. I know 8chan enables board creation, does not log IP addresses for more than 24 hours, and respects the 1st amendment to the full extent that it is legal. A board could be created there to organize.
Maybe it's time to start emailing some advertisers to expose corruption in Tech journalism?
I don't think that he would have made any sort of fuss about this entire ordeal, nor would he have lied on the grave of his mother just to give it to another person. People out there aren't heartless monsters 24/7, you know.
STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
"Get off my lawn you selfless charitable bastards!", "Misogyny!" , etc., etc.
If we gave them improved laser weaponry, maybe they would let us ship them all to space to destroy the space debris.
(Please forget to include a return capsule)
I suppose where I disagreed with you was with your statement,
"Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Steve Wozniak were part of the Digital Revolution where they wanted to decentralize data and put computers in the hands of the people."
Which is a contradictory statement.
Once the above companies stop supporting their software, it becomes insecure, and because it is closed-source, we are forced to upgrade. That's software centralization and control if there ever was such a thing.
Perhaps unwittingly, we both bought into the idea (at least in the scope of this discussion) that the software they offered was ever "ours" to begin with. That their offerings were ever "in the hands of the people" which non-free software certainly isn't.
So the "Centralized software" idea is already farther along than I realized initially, and perhaps farther along than you realized initially. What it isn't, is sandboxed; a good suggestion.
So the centralization aspects would be functional in a manner that you suggest, but only under two conditions:
1) it is GNU/Free as in GNU/Freedom (lol)
2) Private
and for sandboxing, clearly the only option is to get rid of things like systemd. Like that one guy's sig, "If anyone knows why GNOME chose to depend on systemd, please tell me." If we don't know why, we don't have control, if we don't have control, etc., etc.
So I think we've reached an understanding, here.
Fantastic compilation of software suggestions. I hope this comment becomes a sticky on some related website or forum for such problems. Bravo!
"centralized locations are good" " they wanted to decentralize data and put computers in the hands of the people. Now it looks like we need a backlash."
Would you happen to be selling a Cloud "App" or Subscription-Based software service perchance? All I need to do is sign up now for a 10% discount** to a program I won't have to do anything to maintain, right?
I can see that you have a point, but right now, with the state of privacy what it is, air-gapped or firewalled local area networks and local storage are the most secure places for my data, as far as I'm concerned. No grandma is going to set up a Home "mainframe-style architecture" to look at cats on the internet. She would sooner sign up for MS Windows "We Promise*** it's safe**** with us" Edition for all of her OS and "App" needs, and with internet speeds becoming faster, I fear that your suggested model is one we are moving toward.
**Discount may not be combined with any other offer or personal/technological freedom of any kind
***MS not liable for any violations of privacy
****Not safe from any advertising agency or governmental inquiries
...and girlfriend .
Don't you already operate the phone with your hand? I kid, you make a valid and important point.
"...munching matter at close to the maximum physically possible rate for most of it's existence." One of their physicists must be really good at yo momma jokes.
"This guy makes lots of enemies because he signed up to do so. Therefore he is above the law that we are all subject to" Sorry, that's not how public service works. Police are required to wear ID badges, judges don't use false aliases, and your comment is pungent with a lack of legal understanding and how it affects society at large. Were it a crime for people to hold *unelected officials* such as judges and police officers personally accountable for their actions because "they have a right to anonymity - we don't," which is what I gather from your misbegotten sense of Social Justice, we would certainly be in a bind when they themselves break the law or give unfairly disproportional treatment to people such as minorities - a persistent issue - which I imagine your particularly irrational brand of sensibility would agree with. I imagine you are having a hard time reconciling those two ideas. On the one hand, you desire to have a "Good" side and an "Evil" side to support your simplistic worldview, but on the other hand, you have to admit that "the system" does a lot of wrong, too. Silk Road is not any more evil than a system that imprisons teens for smoking plants while bankers that destroy economies run free. Your unelected "Masters" that you are defending do not care about you. They do not care about your rights. Their lack of willingness to respect OUR privacy is what drives more and more people to be concerned with Anonymity and privacy, creating places like Silk Road, 8chan, TOR, etc., and here you are defending the initial aggressors. The war mongers. It's the people who "fight back" that are the terrorists, right?
Don't microwave it!
>I am conservative with myself, AND liberal with others. >There is no paradox except the fallacy of assuming truth is binary. I can appreciate your word play to a degree, but have you forgotten this is about life and death? 1 and 0? Quote my OP >reveal your hubris regarding the human perspective being the "absolute" one, then go right ahead As you say, truth is not binary, and it is the enforcement of YOUR moral truth on the life of another that means you do not respect that they may have their own version of "truth," as in, intelligence or simply the desire to live and reproduce as we do. It is a personal choice for me to think of animals as having lives of value, as it is a personal choice for you to believe that you have the right to end life for your convenience. Just don't pretend to be above it - don't hide from killing things yourself, because it's what you support. Be honest. Life or death. That's it. 1 or 0. You end the chicken's life or you don't.
If you can say, "I have no problem killing things" and I see you killing animals yourself, then I will respect your decision to eat meat as a personal one. If you live with a double-standard, however, and will not kill animals yourself, yet do not consider it "wrong" to eat them, you live a life of inconsistent logic down at the fundamental level of basic survival. I became a vegetarian when my high school ceramics teacher told me about he became a vegetarian. He was on a vacation fishing salmon in Alaska, away from his wife and children. He caught a salmon too far upstream and its meat was squishy, and its head was ugly and twisted. Another fisherman told him why his fish looked so strange. The salmon develop this way as they enter the stream and undergo this transformation for a dual purpose: One, so that they can more effectively fight to reproduce and two, so that their body is already mostly digested, so that should they successfully mate, their body will be easier to eat for their yet-unborn children. The mothers do the same and offer their lives as well. As a father, the sacrifice of the animal struck him as something he would be willing to do for his own children. As a human, he realized that river-heads are where our species trap, for consumption, most of these animals. Exploiting their beautiful purpose, and only leaving as many as needed to ensure our free profit for next season's catch. If you want to point out that there have been no studies indicating that animals have what humans understand as "feelings" and reveal your hubris regarding the human perspective being the "absolute" one, then go right ahead. I choose to live in a world occupied by other living, breathing, thinking things, not a world inhabited by mindless and emotionless machines. What you eat is slain, dead flesh that lived with as much a purpose as we do.
Don't forget Aaron Swartz. You are right, it is too early for dancing.
...believed 4chan when it came to GamerGate. When it came to the massively unfair, unethical, immoral, and repugnant "Reporting" practices of the games industry - but you were so quick to white-knight and presume that women can do no evil. Here we see what is likely the SAME group of people - the extreme leftists and "feminists" who are not egalitarian - who are willing to burn books and hubs of information and opinion - all in the name of equality, and you supported them. For all of you who disagreed with GamerGate because you dismissed the evidence, I hope you feel like you've been slapped. Your perspectives, your ethics that you so "valiantly" defended, and your presumptions about 4chan being nothing but a cesspool were entirely wrong - for all of your keyboard-warrior prowess and mod points. Your support led to the censorship of 4chan regarding the gamergate issue on ALL boards - new moderators that worked (for free) for m00t after he spoke with Anita Sarkeesian were perma-banning people (myself included) who posted in or about GamerGate on grounds of "child pornography" because that's one of the most offensive and pungent ways to perma-ban somebody on the website. All of this, the majority of the Slashdot wise-men supported. I'm sickened.
Credible threats? Coming from the internet video-gaming community? If all threats made under the influence of nerd-rage were credible, there wouldn't be a man or woman alive anywhere on the planet. Sarkeesian is a damsel in distress, but the primary issue is that dissenting opinions are being actively suppressed via threat deletion on sites like r/Gaming and even 4chan. Internet archive entries are being deleted without question because the cry of misogyny has been made, etc. That's the issue. Censorship in gaming due to PC. This is the prohibition of our era - you are taking the one thing that keeps lots of us nerds complacentÃ"escapism. It is denying and publicly humiliating all of the quests that gamers over the years have made and connected with. "You enjoyed saving the princess in Super Mario World? You disgusting pig, how dare you? You haven't even considered the perspective of women whothroughouttheyearshavebeensoopprressed Ican'tbelievethatyouwouldbesooppressivetomedoyouevencareaboutmyfeelings lookatthisrapewhenmarioriskshislifetosaveyou ASIFINEEDEDTOBESAVEDIAMNOTAVICTIM IAMSTRONGHELPMEGAMINGCOMMUNITYHELP" Of course there are people who are angry. Half of us choose video games because we don't want to DEAL with this kind of shit. >inb4 well this is reality, get used to it. You can't sit there and enjoy what you enjoy if it triggers me. Well, misogyny, bigotry, and *anger* are reality, so get used to it. This is not a "tech" issue. It happens all over the world, over every conceivable topic. It is part of the human condition. All Sarkeesian is doing is profiting off of it - she is a twitter-war profiteer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that perhaps the reason shows and plots are getting better only because specialization in education is becoming more necessary? Instead of getting your neighbor Bob to film All in the Family, now you've got a guy who has studied cinematography for 4 years at USC Film school, so naturally you're going to get more complex and interesting shots. Likewise, you've got teams of Creative Writing majors writing the shows who probably have more or less skill in a particular area, like writing a dramatic fight scene, a great style of comedy, etc. What must be helping too is that with the ease of communication (internet) ideas and techniques spread more quickly. So you put all of those very specialized people together and make something better/more complex. I don't think that it's necessarily a result of greater "intelligence" in the entire group.
It's probably based on a "trickle down" theory. Take down the guys at the top, and justice will slowly find it's way to the bottom.
I've learned to solve problems with reason, from trial and error, learning from other people mistakes, and role models. I'd hate to think that society's ability to problem solve has become even remotely quantifiable. If my girlfriend is driving away all of my buddies, and I really care for her, you can bet I'm not going to graph the inequality and solve for "x." I'm going to talk to her.