I collect, repair and use classic test gear. I have a good collection of tektronix, hp, keithley, fluke (pretty much all 'just names' at this point; danaher ruined most of them, sigh). the old stuff is amazing, almost magic. the new stuff is overpriced (even by hp standards) and is not designed to last. on the eevblog forum, there was a big thread about an agilent high-end handheld DMM that bricked itself during a fw update and hp's reply was 'sorry, we can't fix it; its not fixable by design'. really??? what the fuck! no backup boot block and no way to jtag fix it? you can't be serious. big stink on eevblog and it taught many of us that we should now avoid hp^H^Hagilent^H^Hkeysight for test/meas gear.
the stuff they make now will never be called 'classic'. its all disposble and even the chinese scopes like rigol and its ilk beat the snot out of the old school brand names, that pretty much invented the tech, 50 or more years ago.
I interviewed at hp in palo alto a few months ago. it took months, they dragged their feet, they could not decide, they could not define what they wanted and after nearly a whole day there, they gave me a thumbs down with no reason given. months of 'we want you!' bullshit from the recruiter only to find that the team does not even know what it wants.
you'd have to be nuts to apply to hp (or amazon, for that matter) these days. perhaps I dodged a bullet by not getting the job at hp.
gotta say, though, the inside of HP looked quite dreary. lame-ass open office, no space for personal stuff, not even cups in the break room (seriously; I had to ask to borrow someone's coffee mug at their desk when I 'dared' ask for some water to keep near me during my interview.)
HP is dead. parts of it don't know it yet, but they are 'dead men walking'.
really a shame. HP was a tier-1 company in their day. when I was starting out, working for DEC or HP or Sun or SGI was the best place to be (all high end unix and unix-like workstation companies and all were great to work for back in the day). now, what do we have? essentially none of those computer companies are around anymore. their culture, which was a valuable part of who they were, has all washed away, as well. the 'hp way' died 15 years ago or more.
you 20 and 30somethings in software out there: take heed! you have, at best, 5-10 years before all software is outsourced.
your software degree? will be useless and you won't even be able to pay your student loans out.
this country (US) is very quickly going to hell. we all see it, don't we? some are more insulated than others, but its spreading like a disease. the ceo's are robbing us of what made us great; they are stealing all the profits and keeping us around just long enough but not longer than necessary. we are all short timers now.
still think that unions are not needed? lets check back again in 5 yrs and see how the sw industry is doing in the US. my guess is that it will be way worse as time goes on. can anyone show me any signs of it getting better?
since ceo's are patted on the back each time they do a mass-firing of US workers, it will be you, sooner or later. you don't think so, but you just wait. sadly, no one wants to form a union in IT and so we'll all hang separately since we REFUSE to hang together.
really breaks my heart to see us all taken for chumps like this. american ceo's are pond scum but they are powerful land-owning money-keeping pond scum.
its my understanding that grub loads its own modules, having nothing to do with a linux kernel. in fact, that makes sense since you can use grub to boot win and bsd, with no linux in sight.
so my question was more about: do I have to rebuild/reinstall grub when it only used to know about ext2 and now has to know about, at least, ext3 or maybe 4.
I know that a closed journal-purged ext3 fs can be seen and dealt with in ext2 format and grub works fine for that. but is that also true for ext4: so that if its closed properly, can an ext2 grub module be enough to boot that ext4 part?
it blows my mind that the US gov can attack a citizen like this and also scare punishment into him for his LEGAL RIGHT to seek a lawyer when being legally confronted.
no lawyer? how is that possible? I know, it was all back room laws that we were not meant to have input on. but still, this is a french-revolution style injustice. if heads needed to roll in modern times, this would be one qualifying event.
you want to put legal shit on me? AND deny me any right to even examine this and see if there was just cause? unbelievable! well, actually, given how things now are, its completely believable and that's the biggest shame of all. that we now don't even bat an eye when shit like this happens.
if the christian or jewish bible had any real meat to it, it would have told us things that could not possibly be known 'way back then' but are found to be true, today.
is there any single thing in any of those bibles that indicates there was true knowlege communicated to man that man could not have known on his own (or just made shit up)?
sure, there is no vocabulary for atoms and black holes and such, but there is also no real attempt - that I'm aware of - to say anything other than 'it was magic!' in any of those bibles. in fact, any of the world's bibles or religious papers.
lol on the doggie running around all fit-bit strapped;)
I would have a serious problem being told that I HAVE to wear a tracking device if I wanted the normal price for health insurance. note, they are NOT giving a discount, they are increasing prices for others. I don't buy their bullshit shifting of 'discount'. its not a discount if its compelled and these days, saving money on a huge bill like H.I. is not really a choice you have. when you are struggling to make ends meet, its not actually your sole choice, much the way a 'wage slave' is still technically a free person but in reality, they ARE a slave.
btw, which state/country do you work in? I'm curious. I'd also like to avoid any place that forces people to be walking data-sources for big business.
I remember the old removable faceplate radios. are they still common? I was under the impression that they were not all that great at deterring break-ins since MOST people did not carry the FP with them and left it in the glove box. I almost never carried mine when I had that style of head unit.
I wish I could post a pic of my car, but that would defeat any notion of security;) but just imagine a factory radio with its face 'sawed off' (neatly unscrewed, actually; was trivial once you realize that its a plastic bezel and the rest can be glued behind it) and a ledge behind it on all 4 sides so that you press-fit the fake face over a sort of frame. the only hard part is finding some small head unit or preamp that can be recess mounted behind the frame area. an old audiocontrol preamp was used in my install, and again, you'd never know since I put the face back on the console each time I park. its really not a big problem doing that.
aftermarket radios do attract theives. but no theif in his right mind will spend effort breaking into a car that has an oem stock cassette player in it;) they don't break my window, they just look, laugh, feel sorry for me and move on. FINE WITH ME!
this is what I hate about regex and compressed grammars.
it quickly becomes a write-only language.
blech!
I avoid them if I can. readable and supportable code is often more important. you may be more efficient with a regex but its also much easier to have subtle bugs creep thru. and fixing them by the non-author is always 'fun'...;(
I am still using voyage linux (.hk) and that is optimized for embedded use, such as audio. but they are still stuck on a way WAY old version of grub (grub1, not even grub2) and they boot ext2fs and that's it. not even ext3, afaik.
and yet, I do build kernels that support the latest audio (and dsd) drivers.
so, your theory is blown. some distros are still old but that does not mean the kernel has to be.
some very old systems know only about ext2. then there are some that only know about ext3.
I remember that if you diable journalling (or have closed the disk cleanly) that ext2 can read ext3.
is there any risk of an older system that can only read ext2 (or maybe 3) not being able to boot with even a cleanly shutdown ext4 fs?
and, would grub have to be updated?
somehow, removing ext3 seems wrong to me. ext4 has been out a while, but a fs is so important, its hard to believe that it was wise to remove a good, working collection of code like that.
(I do use ext4 on my current desktops but some embedded audio boxes still are ext2 and 3 based).
here's a tip: if you have a nice car stereo (or even if its not nice but you tend to play it loud), lower the volume way down (or turn it off) as you START to approach your destination or parking area.
what you have been doing is advertising to the locals that you have a nice radio inside. even if you don't.
by remembering to turn it off before you even get close to the destination, you remove one thing that can cause you to come back to broken windows.
similarly, don't work on your car audio system in open public areas (even your home, if its an apartment or condo complex). sadly, I did that once (nice area; usually safe) and the very next day, yup, broken windows in the car and my work was ruined. that was the last time I ever worked on my audio system in the common parking lot at my complex. sad that you can't even do such things anymore without 'bad eyes' seeing you do it, but that's the world we now live in.
alright, one more car audio tip: consider hiding your real radio behind a fake factory face plate. I did that (have a stupid looking factory double din cassette radio face). took that factory radio, removed it, unscrewed the front, glued on the knobs and lcd display and made it look quite real again. but its a thin bezel and it fits snugly in the factory hole by friction; and the real unit is behind it, inset, and you simply remove the fake faceplace, put it on the center console (etc) and adjust your real radio during the drive. when at home, simply put the face back over the hole and no one's the wiser. for the past 10 years, I have not had any break-ins. there's no reason; all they see is a factory flush faceplace and no one is dumb enough to steal a factory double din cassette head unit anymore;) stealth install was the key. SHOW NOTHING CUSTOM inside the car. give them no reason to give your car a 2nd look.
I once had a boss that was fond of the espression 'you cant unring that bell'.
before the recent (last few years) whistleblower events, you'd be called a tinfoil hatter if you dared suggest that online comms were not safe or that the big agencies are not bulk surveiling us.
now, you won't automatically be called a tinfoil hatter. we get it, as a whole, at least a sizeable portion of the population gets it.
its out in the open now. but there is still no real discussion about it. are we, as a people (as a species!) ready and willing to live our lives under spotlights, having no say in the matter? should we just accept that YOU have decided this for us and it was all done in secret, slowly, over the decades? its true that it was in secret over the decades, but should we accept what we can now, finally, talk about?
we have to have the discussion and really understand the long term and short term cost/benefit of this before we plunge ourselves, officially, into a surveillance state.
but we should have a say in this! that's what is being denied and attacked and drowned-out. we are being denied the ability to actually affect the laws and rules and this defines what kind of world we end up living in!
to deny us this choice is to wage war on your own people. pretty much, it is. you enslave if you cannot get a concensus. are you afraid to bring this into discussion and see/hear our views? (answer, of course they don't want to hear it. they KNOW how we'd vote, if we were given real say in this matter).
look, either you discuss this with us or we work around it. and by that, I mean we run our own layers of tunneling and encryption and this is a war you cannot win.
and so, let me use that phrase again. encryption is already 'out there' and you can't un-ring that bell, no matter how hard you try.
you have not been hearing or reading about the devices cops have to entirely go around any 'phone locks' you THINK you have?
phone locks are cute but the black hats that work for the man have done their work and have it all figured out. any mainstream phone has an unlock protocol that the man can call up simply by connecting a usb device.
yeah, they have those. and yeah, you'd stupid to trust some vendor who has no choice but to give in to L.E. on such things.
your phone is NOT safe during a traffic stop. laws are still not going to save your ass if a rogue cop (ie, most of them) wants to go on a fishing exp. on your digital life.
just imagine you get stopped by a cop and he ruffles thru your phone.
would you feel ok with him grabbing (copying!) any and all data (including receipts) on your phone?
you 'phone guys' are WAY TOO TRUSTING of your own phones. fine for you, I guess, but you could not (literally) pay me to engage google any more than I'm already forced to (by virtue of it being a losing battle to even block google domains from simple browsing; and I know, I keep trying and its an uphill battle).
yeah yeah, I did nothing wrong, no problem for mr. policeman to go thru my store receipts.
what's that you say? there was a 'suspicious character' seen at the 7-11 an hour ago and you have a receipt from the 7-11 in your 'e-wallet' ? please explain yourself citizen! maybe you should come down to the station and clear this up. won't only take 2 or 4 hours. you're not busy right now, are you?
imagine. just imagine the widespread abuse. I only listed one case where you should think twice about carrying your fucking whole life's records in your fucking phone. we could all think of many more situations where data can AND WILL be used against you.
but go ahead. provide the man with lots of data on you, just for the scooping. afterall, if you have done nothing wrong.....
HOW many android handsets are technically unsecure? most? more than half? at least half won't ever get critical updates.
but google CARES about you! yes sir, yes they do.
I'd certainly co-mingle my money and the google goliath. yup. what would possibly go wrong?
seriously - I'm gobsmacked by how trusting people are when new risky technology 'solutions' come out. its like they can't WAIT to get raped and fucked over by some security bug or hacker break-in.
and no, I would not trust apple, either, with my money or wallet. sounds pretty stupid. we already have payment methods that mostly work and have mostly been secured. even after decades, they are still not super secure, but at least they're understood and very standardized.
unless there's a compelling reason to trust a google or an apple with my money, WHY EVEN DO IT AT ALL?
I guess I just don't understand the lure of newfangled and UNTRUSTED things. things with no serious history and from companies that could give two shits about their userbase, truth be told.
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If a terrorist wants to cause wide spread terror he just needs to distribute tiny robots throughout a city
mc donalds and burger king would like to hear more about this.
it seems that, in the end, only the likes of mouser and digikey will win.
uhm, "thanks, obama!"
All those clocks will create chaos.
but I wonder, will 2 of them ever be right at the same time? or, does that only apply to non-working clocks? I'm so confused.
Librarians are awesome. Secret Superheroes indeed
conan-the-librarian says: you touch that tor node and it will be the last thing you ever do!
Four sides to every story,
have to admit, timecube guy may have been right...
I collect, repair and use classic test gear. I have a good collection of tektronix, hp, keithley, fluke (pretty much all 'just names' at this point; danaher ruined most of them, sigh). the old stuff is amazing, almost magic. the new stuff is overpriced (even by hp standards) and is not designed to last. on the eevblog forum, there was a big thread about an agilent high-end handheld DMM that bricked itself during a fw update and hp's reply was 'sorry, we can't fix it; its not fixable by design'. really??? what the fuck! no backup boot block and no way to jtag fix it? you can't be serious. big stink on eevblog and it taught many of us that we should now avoid hp^H^Hagilent^H^Hkeysight for test/meas gear.
the stuff they make now will never be called 'classic'. its all disposble and even the chinese scopes like rigol and its ilk beat the snot out of the old school brand names, that pretty much invented the tech, 50 or more years ago.
I interviewed at hp in palo alto a few months ago. it took months, they dragged their feet, they could not decide, they could not define what they wanted and after nearly a whole day there, they gave me a thumbs down with no reason given. months of 'we want you!' bullshit from the recruiter only to find that the team does not even know what it wants.
you'd have to be nuts to apply to hp (or amazon, for that matter) these days. perhaps I dodged a bullet by not getting the job at hp.
gotta say, though, the inside of HP looked quite dreary. lame-ass open office, no space for personal stuff, not even cups in the break room (seriously; I had to ask to borrow someone's coffee mug at their desk when I 'dared' ask for some water to keep near me during my interview.)
HP is dead. parts of it don't know it yet, but they are 'dead men walking'.
really a shame. HP was a tier-1 company in their day. when I was starting out, working for DEC or HP or Sun or SGI was the best place to be (all high end unix and unix-like workstation companies and all were great to work for back in the day). now, what do we have? essentially none of those computer companies are around anymore. their culture, which was a valuable part of who they were, has all washed away, as well. the 'hp way' died 15 years ago or more.
They are rehiring them in "cheaper" countries.
you 20 and 30somethings in software out there: take heed! you have, at best, 5-10 years before all software is outsourced.
your software degree? will be useless and you won't even be able to pay your student loans out.
this country (US) is very quickly going to hell. we all see it, don't we? some are more insulated than others, but its spreading like a disease. the ceo's are robbing us of what made us great; they are stealing all the profits and keeping us around just long enough but not longer than necessary. we are all short timers now.
still think that unions are not needed? lets check back again in 5 yrs and see how the sw industry is doing in the US. my guess is that it will be way worse as time goes on. can anyone show me any signs of it getting better?
since ceo's are patted on the back each time they do a mass-firing of US workers, it will be you, sooner or later. you don't think so, but you just wait. sadly, no one wants to form a union in IT and so we'll all hang separately since we REFUSE to hang together.
really breaks my heart to see us all taken for chumps like this. american ceo's are pond scum but they are powerful land-owning money-keeping pond scum.
its my understanding that grub loads its own modules, having nothing to do with a linux kernel. in fact, that makes sense since you can use grub to boot win and bsd, with no linux in sight.
so my question was more about: do I have to rebuild/reinstall grub when it only used to know about ext2 and now has to know about, at least, ext3 or maybe 4.
I know that a closed journal-purged ext3 fs can be seen and dealt with in ext2 format and grub works fine for that. but is that also true for ext4: so that if its closed properly, can an ext2 grub module be enough to boot that ext4 part?
it blows my mind that the US gov can attack a citizen like this and also scare punishment into him for his LEGAL RIGHT to seek a lawyer when being legally confronted.
no lawyer? how is that possible? I know, it was all back room laws that we were not meant to have input on. but still, this is a french-revolution style injustice. if heads needed to roll in modern times, this would be one qualifying event.
you want to put legal shit on me? AND deny me any right to even examine this and see if there was just cause? unbelievable! well, actually, given how things now are, its completely believable and that's the biggest shame of all. that we now don't even bat an eye when shit like this happens.
what's that about cheese?
and, more importantly, was any bacon harmed during the incident??
Let's see. Rootin'... Tootin'... Uh, nah; can't think of no one.
rootin-tootin? isn't he married to queen hotsie-totsie?
if the christian or jewish bible had any real meat to it, it would have told us things that could not possibly be known 'way back then' but are found to be true, today.
is there any single thing in any of those bibles that indicates there was true knowlege communicated to man that man could not have known on his own (or just made shit up)?
sure, there is no vocabulary for atoms and black holes and such, but there is also no real attempt - that I'm aware of - to say anything other than 'it was magic!' in any of those bibles. in fact, any of the world's bibles or religious papers.
lol on the doggie running around all fit-bit strapped ;)
I would have a serious problem being told that I HAVE to wear a tracking device if I wanted the normal price for health insurance. note, they are NOT giving a discount, they are increasing prices for others. I don't buy their bullshit shifting of 'discount'. its not a discount if its compelled and these days, saving money on a huge bill like H.I. is not really a choice you have. when you are struggling to make ends meet, its not actually your sole choice, much the way a 'wage slave' is still technically a free person but in reality, they ARE a slave.
btw, which state/country do you work in? I'm curious. I'd also like to avoid any place that forces people to be walking data-sources for big business.
I remember the old removable faceplate radios. are they still common? I was under the impression that they were not all that great at deterring break-ins since MOST people did not carry the FP with them and left it in the glove box. I almost never carried mine when I had that style of head unit.
I wish I could post a pic of my car, but that would defeat any notion of security ;) but just imagine a factory radio with its face 'sawed off' (neatly unscrewed, actually; was trivial once you realize that its a plastic bezel and the rest can be glued behind it) and a ledge behind it on all 4 sides so that you press-fit the fake face over a sort of frame. the only hard part is finding some small head unit or preamp that can be recess mounted behind the frame area. an old audiocontrol preamp was used in my install, and again, you'd never know since I put the face back on the console each time I park. its really not a big problem doing that.
aftermarket radios do attract theives. but no theif in his right mind will spend effort breaking into a car that has an oem stock cassette player in it ;) they don't break my window, they just look, laugh, feel sorry for me and move on. FINE WITH ME!
this is what I hate about regex and compressed grammars.
it quickly becomes a write-only language.
blech!
I avoid them if I can. readable and supportable code is often more important. you may be more efficient with a regex but its also much easier to have subtle bugs creep thru. and fixing them by the non-author is always 'fun' ... ;(
disagree.
I am still using voyage linux (.hk) and that is optimized for embedded use, such as audio. but they are still stuck on a way WAY old version of grub (grub1, not even grub2) and they boot ext2fs and that's it. not even ext3, afaik.
and yet, I do build kernels that support the latest audio (and dsd) drivers.
so, your theory is blown. some distros are still old but that does not mean the kernel has to be.
duh!
how will that affect older grub booting systems?
some very old systems know only about ext2. then there are some that only know about ext3.
I remember that if you diable journalling (or have closed the disk cleanly) that ext2 can read ext3.
is there any risk of an older system that can only read ext2 (or maybe 3) not being able to boot with even a cleanly shutdown ext4 fs?
and, would grub have to be updated?
somehow, removing ext3 seems wrong to me. ext4 has been out a while, but a fs is so important, its hard to believe that it was wise to remove a good, working collection of code like that.
(I do use ext4 on my current desktops but some embedded audio boxes still are ext2 and 3 based).
here's a tip: if you have a nice car stereo (or even if its not nice but you tend to play it loud), lower the volume way down (or turn it off) as you START to approach your destination or parking area.
what you have been doing is advertising to the locals that you have a nice radio inside. even if you don't.
by remembering to turn it off before you even get close to the destination, you remove one thing that can cause you to come back to broken windows.
similarly, don't work on your car audio system in open public areas (even your home, if its an apartment or condo complex). sadly, I did that once (nice area; usually safe) and the very next day, yup, broken windows in the car and my work was ruined. that was the last time I ever worked on my audio system in the common parking lot at my complex. sad that you can't even do such things anymore without 'bad eyes' seeing you do it, but that's the world we now live in.
alright, one more car audio tip: consider hiding your real radio behind a fake factory face plate. I did that (have a stupid looking factory double din cassette radio face). took that factory radio, removed it, unscrewed the front, glued on the knobs and lcd display and made it look quite real again. but its a thin bezel and it fits snugly in the factory hole by friction; and the real unit is behind it, inset, and you simply remove the fake faceplace, put it on the center console (etc) and adjust your real radio during the drive. when at home, simply put the face back over the hole and no one's the wiser. for the past 10 years, I have not had any break-ins. there's no reason; all they see is a factory flush faceplace and no one is dumb enough to steal a factory double din cassette head unit anymore ;) stealth install was the key. SHOW NOTHING CUSTOM inside the car. give them no reason to give your car a 2nd look.
getting up every morning, getting dressed to walk the dog. rain or snow or heat, you have to do it. often twice a day.
little freedom to stay out late or travel.
things get chewed and broken at home.
there is the house-breaking time at the start.
pet doctor bills. pet food (stuff is heavy, too).
I like dogs but its definitely not a solution for everyone!
"uhm, what was that middle thing, again?
and don't EVER call me stupid. ever."
I once had a boss that was fond of the espression 'you cant unring that bell'.
before the recent (last few years) whistleblower events, you'd be called a tinfoil hatter if you dared suggest that online comms were not safe or that the big agencies are not bulk surveiling us.
now, you won't automatically be called a tinfoil hatter. we get it, as a whole, at least a sizeable portion of the population gets it.
its out in the open now. but there is still no real discussion about it. are we, as a people (as a species!) ready and willing to live our lives under spotlights, having no say in the matter? should we just accept that YOU have decided this for us and it was all done in secret, slowly, over the decades? its true that it was in secret over the decades, but should we accept what we can now, finally, talk about?
we have to have the discussion and really understand the long term and short term cost/benefit of this before we plunge ourselves, officially, into a surveillance state.
but we should have a say in this! that's what is being denied and attacked and drowned-out. we are being denied the ability to actually affect the laws and rules and this defines what kind of world we end up living in!
to deny us this choice is to wage war on your own people. pretty much, it is. you enslave if you cannot get a concensus. are you afraid to bring this into discussion and see/hear our views? (answer, of course they don't want to hear it. they KNOW how we'd vote, if we were given real say in this matter).
look, either you discuss this with us or we work around it. and by that, I mean we run our own layers of tunneling and encryption and this is a war you cannot win.
and so, let me use that phrase again. encryption is already 'out there' and you can't un-ring that bell, no matter how hard you try.
you have not been hearing or reading about the devices cops have to entirely go around any 'phone locks' you THINK you have?
phone locks are cute but the black hats that work for the man have done their work and have it all figured out. any mainstream phone has an unlock protocol that the man can call up simply by connecting a usb device.
yeah, they have those. and yeah, you'd stupid to trust some vendor who has no choice but to give in to L.E. on such things.
your phone is NOT safe during a traffic stop. laws are still not going to save your ass if a rogue cop (ie, most of them) wants to go on a fishing exp. on your digital life.
just imagine you get stopped by a cop and he ruffles thru your phone.
would you feel ok with him grabbing (copying!) any and all data (including receipts) on your phone?
you 'phone guys' are WAY TOO TRUSTING of your own phones. fine for you, I guess, but you could not (literally) pay me to engage google any more than I'm already forced to (by virtue of it being a losing battle to even block google domains from simple browsing; and I know, I keep trying and its an uphill battle).
yeah yeah, I did nothing wrong, no problem for mr. policeman to go thru my store receipts.
what's that you say? there was a 'suspicious character' seen at the 7-11 an hour ago and you have a receipt from the 7-11 in your 'e-wallet' ? please explain yourself citizen! maybe you should come down to the station and clear this up. won't only take 2 or 4 hours. you're not busy right now, are you?
imagine. just imagine the widespread abuse. I only listed one case where you should think twice about carrying your fucking whole life's records in your fucking phone. we could all think of many more situations where data can AND WILL be used against you.
but go ahead. provide the man with lots of data on you, just for the scooping. afterall, if you have done nothing wrong .....
HOW many android handsets are technically unsecure? most? more than half? at least half won't ever get critical updates.
but google CARES about you! yes sir, yes they do.
I'd certainly co-mingle my money and the google goliath. yup. what would possibly go wrong?
seriously - I'm gobsmacked by how trusting people are when new risky technology 'solutions' come out. its like they can't WAIT to get raped and fucked over by some security bug or hacker break-in.
and no, I would not trust apple, either, with my money or wallet. sounds pretty stupid. we already have payment methods that mostly work and have mostly been secured. even after decades, they are still not super secure, but at least they're understood and very standardized.
unless there's a compelling reason to trust a google or an apple with my money, WHY EVEN DO IT AT ALL?
I guess I just don't understand the lure of newfangled and UNTRUSTED things. things with no serious history and from companies that could give two shits about their userbase, truth be told.
"two things happen when you tangle with a pig; you get dirty, and the pig has fun."
(ok, who's next?)