Everyone still seems to forget; nuclear is *not* cheap. Its is very expensive. Depending on how you slice the numbers (decommission and waste management costs), it is not clear that nuclear is cheaper/better than solar or wind. (which also means it is not clear that solar/wind is better/cheaper than nuclear....)
I am in favour of both options.
But i really would like to see the next generation of nuclear plants rather than these old designs staying the status quo....
Indeed. I think they could be a good middle ground. But only if pressure fed (aka not turbo pump development). Otherwise the extra performance from a full liquid is probably worth it.
You can't throttle them and you can't turn them off, and yes liquids are not all candy, but the SSME are the *worst* example. You do get some warnings ergo the Saturn could and did turn engines off in flight and continued with the mission. Also they have significantly better performance. Honestly, unless you are a missile (aka storable) the need for solids nill (unless you missed your weight budget). Its got nothing to do with romantics...
This is why i am in favour of a "man rated" but not "man needed" system that can get some flights under its belt and be useful before getting people in it.
But really we need to be a little less squeamish about it. Almost 3000 people die every month in car accidents in the US, and no one but the victims families gives a toss. Why should a few astronauts bring a space program to a halt for 2 years?
In most failure modes of a 747, an escape module would be useless
No more useless than on a rocket capable of orbital velocity. In fact your arguments have come up many times before on space programs that seem to "need" theses features.
Since loss of life in a 747 is acceptable given the frequency of accidents (And i think it is), then that is clearly they way we should do it for space. Get the dam rocket reliable enough that you don't need a escape system that probably won't work anyway. Or even worse, it adds extra failure modes and makes the whole thing even less safe.
I know lots of people who grew up on the "wrong" side of the iron curtain and defected. All of them believe in the moon landing. Also I know a lot that came here (Vienna) after the wall came down and also believe in the moon landings.. Sounds like you just meet a crackpot.
Ironically most professional photographers wanted to charge me an arm and a leg for our wedding photos *and* keep the negatives and copyrights! Then charge an arm and a leg for any prints! So in the end I got a retired photographer in the family to do the job.
Its worse than that. Since you can't turn or throttle a solid, even if its not going *that* wrong, the range safety officer is required to detonate... A emergency situation can't even have a throttle down, 1 sec later detonate or other such things that you can do with a liquid fueled rocket.
But I have another question. What is the emergency escape module on a 747? Seems to me that the problem is we are just so certain its not going to work and two squeamish to take the risk anyway.
Thats a broken window if i ever saw one... We got Cooperation out of something costing over 10B! This isn't a high rollers sesame street.
Getting no return is no return. This thing does nothing, and putting all that work and effort into something else would have been better for everyone except perhaps a few NASA workers that would have needed to find other work. It should have been deorbited a long time ago.
Well I am using kde 4.2 now on just one of my machine and its awesome. It is so snappy and uses far less resources than kde 3.5 which i use on the other machine. But still not as lightweight as iceWM that i use on yet the other machine. In fact once the new slackware comes out I will probably switch all machines over to kde 4.2.
What went wrong was that distro put in the new version far too early.
I have never really liked gnome... It always seems to consume the ram like a windows desktop...
I don't think i would to join a group of "concerned" scientists. Its just doesn't sound that professional or, serious. What about serious scientists? And everybody is an Association these days, I think society works better. The American Society of Serious Scientists... (ASSS).
Unfortunately I am not an American so I would not be eligible...
How much that will effect the long term climate....
Its a much harder question to answer than many think. Change an assumption here or there and the prediction can be very different...Never mind that the "true" from of scientific method cannot really be done. That is, we have no control earth hence controls are models vers models which contain the same "assumption" biases.
But thats ok. Quite a lot of science in fact uses less "scientific method" than/.ers think. Its still science... But its not quite as clear and as obvious as the media or/. would have people believe.
Why the hell can't script kiddies get their scripts off underground sites, like they already do? Eliminating full disclosure will not change a dam thing about script kiddies.
I hate integration. It means that a single update of a single package can bring the whole thing down. Honestly if i want to play music I don't give a carrots ass if its using the same font as the bloody word pad. I just want to play the friken music... I don't give a flip if it stores the setting in some kde standard place if it has crap playlist editing.... etc...
Whats the point of looking all nice and integrated if it doesn't bloody work? Which is why the bulk of the apps i use and find productive are bad examples of desktop integration.
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We can also start using thorium fuel cycles with gives us 1000s or years of fuel and better sources than that ~1% U mines...
Everyone still seems to forget; nuclear is *not* cheap. Its is very expensive. Depending on how you slice the numbers (decommission and waste management costs), it is not clear that nuclear is cheaper/better than solar or wind. (which also means it is not clear that solar/wind is better/cheaper than nuclear....)
I am in favour of both options.
But i really would like to see the next generation of nuclear plants rather than these old designs staying the status quo....
By turn, I meant, turn off.
Indeed. I think they could be a good middle ground. But only if pressure fed (aka not turbo pump development). Otherwise the extra performance from a full liquid is probably worth it.
You can't throttle them and you can't turn them off, and yes liquids are not all candy, but the SSME are the *worst* example. You do get some warnings ergo the Saturn could and did turn engines off in flight and continued with the mission. Also they have significantly better performance. Honestly, unless you are a missile (aka storable) the need for solids nill (unless you missed your weight budget). Its got nothing to do with romantics...
Also those boosters are *not* cheap.
This is why i am in favour of a "man rated" but not "man needed" system that can get some flights under its belt and be useful before getting people in it.
But really we need to be a little less squeamish about it. Almost 3000 people die every month in car accidents in the US, and no one but the victims families gives a toss. Why should a few astronauts bring a space program to a halt for 2 years?
In most failure modes of a 747, an escape module would be useless
No more useless than on a rocket capable of orbital velocity. In fact your arguments have come up many times before on space programs that seem to "need" theses features.
Since loss of life in a 747 is acceptable given the frequency of accidents (And i think it is), then that is clearly they way we should do it for space. Get the dam rocket reliable enough that you don't need a escape system that probably won't work anyway. Or even worse, it adds extra failure modes and makes the whole thing even less safe.
I know lots of people who grew up on the "wrong" side of the iron curtain and defected. All of them believe in the moon landing. Also I know a lot that came here (Vienna) after the wall came down and also believe in the moon landings.. Sounds like you just meet a crackpot.
Ironically most professional photographers wanted to charge me an arm and a leg for our wedding photos *and* keep the negatives and copyrights! Then charge an arm and a leg for any prints! So in the end I got a retired photographer in the family to do the job.
Its worse than that. Since you can't turn or throttle a solid, even if its not going *that* wrong, the range safety officer is required to detonate... A emergency situation can't even have a throttle down, 1 sec later detonate or other such things that you can do with a liquid fueled rocket.
But I have another question. What is the emergency escape module on a 747? Seems to me that the problem is we are just so certain its not going to work and two squeamish to take the risk anyway.
100% liquid fuel was always the right way to do. Loose the solids...
yea but wax cylinders just sound better!
I hope not. They should have dumped that piece of junk 10 years ago. Its does nothing but cost a *lot* of money... to do .. nothing....
Thats a broken window if i ever saw one... We got Cooperation out of something costing over 10B! This isn't a high rollers sesame street.
Getting no return is no return. This thing does nothing, and putting all that work and effort into something else would have been better for everyone except perhaps a few NASA workers that would have needed to find other work. It should have been deorbited a long time ago.
Stuff on tv has always lacked rigor ;)
Slackware current 64 bit. Its not a release version yet.
Well I am using kde 4.2 now on just one of my machine and its awesome. It is so snappy and uses far less resources than kde 3.5 which i use on the other machine. But still not as lightweight as iceWM that i use on yet the other machine. In fact once the new slackware comes out I will probably switch all machines over to kde 4.2.
What went wrong was that distro put in the new version far too early.
I have never really liked gnome... It always seems to consume the ram like a windows desktop...
I don't think i would to join a group of "concerned" scientists. Its just doesn't sound that professional or, serious. What about serious scientists? And everybody is an Association these days, I think society works better. The American Society of Serious Scientists... (ASSS).
Unfortunately I am not an American so I would not be eligible...
Being a scientist is linked very closely to being educated at graduate level or higher.
How can you be a scientist without a graduate level education?
Which point, exactly, is in dispute?
How much that will effect the long term climate....
/.ers think. Its still science... But its not quite as clear and as obvious as the media or /. would have people believe.
Its a much harder question to answer than many think. Change an assumption here or there and the prediction can be very different...Never mind that the "true" from of scientific method cannot really be done. That is, we have no control earth hence controls are models vers models which contain the same "assumption" biases.
But thats ok. Quite a lot of science in fact uses less "scientific method" than
they probably sell firewall and other security software for their day job. ;)
1) I think that's a good thing
Why the hell can't script kiddies get their scripts off underground sites, like they already do? Eliminating full disclosure will not change a dam thing about script kiddies.
Lower bandwidth on internet connections is a pretty big incentive regardless of patents or copyrights.
Sorry but the idea that if you can't get rich off it, no one will do it is totally disproven with the existence of OS software...
What that cheaters game with Multiple Unit Select (MUS). If you want to prove you can micro use the original... dune 2. Be a man about it!
but on the desktop integration is everything.
I hate integration. It means that a single update of a single package can bring the whole thing down. Honestly if i want to play music I don't give a carrots ass if its using the same font as the bloody word pad. I just want to play the friken music... I don't give a flip if it stores the setting in some kde standard place if it has crap playlist editing.... etc...
Whats the point of looking all nice and integrated if it doesn't bloody work? Which is why the bulk of the apps i use and find productive are bad examples of desktop integration.