With stuff like this, we wonder why women complain or feel harassed?
I feel genuinely put upon when I hear guys say things like this.
So, I'm going to say this in every thread where I encounter this statement.
I am a woman. I do not feel harassed. Stop fucking speaking for women and let us stand up for ourselves if it is necessary.
Please do not presume to speak for me, and further, please look up the definition of "harassed", because even if the above statement was insulting to all women (it isn't), it certainly does not count for the dictionary or legal definitions of "harassment".
I'm sure you and many others can and do fight your own battles. But I fail to understand your attitude. I guess you feel that men should just stand idly by when women are denigrated and treated as objects?
Well, here's the thing you overlook. When men act poorly, it reflects badly on other men. So as a male I have EVERY right to speak up in such situations.
With stuff like this, we wonder why women complain or feel harassed?
Ada Lovelace had an unmatched intellect combined with imagination and creativity, and especially given the era she lived in, is worthy of great admiration. Show a little respect instead of being a d--k yourself.
There is a logical fallacy right at the front of your extended reply.
If p, then q does not imply if q, then p.
My statement that "Macs are good for people who can't handle much else" stands. That statement did not assert "all people who use Macs can't handle much else."
This comes back to the ridiculous idea that liberal arts majors are incapable of learning math, and the even worse idea that math is hard for women... so there should be another way to become a "programmer."
With decent teaching, the desire to learn, and the willingness to put in the time, math is just as much in reach as philosophy or political science or psychology... maybe even more in reach, because you actually can solve problems with answers that are verifiably right or wrong.
Another fallacious "free" concept: "Linux is only free if your time is."
But it's my free choice; I decide how much time I want to put in. And as to this:
the very last thing I want to do is fiddle-fart around with Linux just to achieve a modicum of usability
... in recent years I've had to do no fiddling to achieve a very high level of usability. It's only when I want something special or highly customized that I need to "fiddle." Of course sometimes I want to fiddle but it is seldom a necessity.
So, check my username and get a clue as to what I enjoy as an alternative to either...
Certainly a valid choice. Macs are great for people who can't handle much else.
The difference with economics is that there are far stronger incentives to corrupt observations and models than with most other sciences.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case. Look at historical debates such as "does smoking cause cancer" and current debates on climate change.... many sciences are subject to the influence of politics and agendas, and tragically, there are scientists who allow themselves to be so influenced.
they didn't listen because they wanted stuff to "just work".
The further irony is that they didn't even get that much... what they got was "stuff just works, except when it doesn't."
Now... before anyone says, "yeah but stuff doesn't 'just work' on Linux either" ---- I know that. But I also know how much I paid for Linux. And if I'm good enough at it, I'm free to "fix stuff" and "make stuff work" I've done so many times. (Sure there are limits, the kernel is not so easy to fix... but still... you at least have full source access.)
there is definitely a vocal sub group that do claim it is exactly that
Even more interesting to me is that some of these vocal sub-groups make a literal word by word interpretation of the English translation of original Hebrew and Greek texts, usually the King James translation. Apparently English is the official language of their brand of Christianity.
As to the whole carbon dating of the Quran.... want to start a pool on how long it will take for a fatwah to be issuef against the scientists who published the study?
In short - fuck off with your false equivalencies. The stub toes and the lower profits are BOTH a bunch of whinging, fascist cunts who want nothing more than to turn you into means for their own ends.
I'm not understanding your vituperative finale here. I think I stated in my original post that I'm tired of listening to both groups and would rather just hear about the actual science, and a few thoughtful posters put forth some good information---- from which you might learn something.
You make a good point about assembly language. I cut my teeth, so to speak, on IBM 1620 assembly way back when, and that type of learning very early on in my career was really a good thing in terms of learning how computers work --- something that hasn't changed in its fundamentals.
Can we just have science instead of hysteria? (Yeah, I know.)
I'm willing to accept the conclusions of science and whether I like them or not is irrelevant.
But I'm tired of on the one hand hearing the equivalents of "mitigating climate change will lower my profits, so climate change can't be real" and on the other hand, "I stubbed my toe, it must be due to climate change."
Down to a certain point, I've also learned that "less is more" when it comes to material possessions. The posessions can start to own you instead of the reverse.
The problem here is in trying to find a simple answer to a complex question. This is not a matter of having a binary choice of answers to "Monopolies are bad, yes or no?"
Can there be problems when an entity is so large that it completely dominates, and the barriers to entry are high, preventing effective competition? Of course. Are there times when a monopoly-like situation could be in the public interest? Think national defense or possibly electric power utilities (and the counter-argument that the government louses up implementation and regulation only goes so far). Are there intermediate cases? Almost certainly.
So where do you draw the line between abuse of power and Google being in the end a dominant for-profit corporation? Do we really think there's a simple one word or one sentence answer?
I'll stay with Gnome 2 on Linux Mint. No problems at all. That's the nice thing about Linux, there are choices[1]. If you don't like Gnome 3 or Unity (understandably so) there's still Gnome 2, and KDE, and Xfce, and so on.
For the record, I did install classic shell on Windows 8.1 and it is better with it than without it, but it's still terrible in terms of usability compared to Windows XP or Windows 7. Or Gnome 2.
[1] Yes, I know, someone is going to say the all those choices are a problem for Linux going mainstream. But Linux isn't ever going really mainstream; I don't pretend otherwise. Microsoft and Apple are simply too big and powerful to displace. That's why (as someone posted above) Windows 8 has a big market share compared to Linux. It certainly isn't because it wins on merit; it's because it has powerful market forces behind it.
The user experience has been ruined in a way that many thought would not be possible.
Many thought not possible? Think: Windows 8. A failure far more stunning than Gnome 3, Unity, Firefox, or just about anything ever seen anywhere. Although it's apples and oranges, it makes systemd look stellar.
Oh well then, just drop in to your nearest police station or FBI department every morning during your stay to say howdy. Nothing wrong with that.
The equivalent took place in former communist countries. I remember visiting the DDR (East Germany) and having to turn in my passport every night. Get a little perspective here, please.
Why are people taking this raving by a candidate with not much chance of getting elected so seriously? Does anyone here really believe visitors are going to get imprinted with a bar code --- which is not even what Christie said?
If the US is so bad that you don't want to visit, go visit someplace nice, with a better attitude... you know, like North Korea or Iran.
Interesting how the main anti-US comment was modded +5 and the main pro-US comment modded 0 (as of this writing). I don't know what that tells us about opinions in general but it certainly tells us about/. posters.
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With stuff like this, we wonder why women complain or feel harassed?
I feel genuinely put upon when I hear guys say things like this.
So, I'm going to say this in every thread where I encounter this statement.
I am a woman. I do not feel harassed. Stop fucking speaking for women and let us stand up for ourselves if it is necessary.
Please do not presume to speak for me, and further, please look up the definition of "harassed", because even if the above statement was insulting to all women (it isn't), it certainly does not count for the dictionary or legal definitions of "harassment".
I'm sure you and many others can and do fight your own battles. But I fail to understand your attitude. I guess you feel that men should just stand idly by when women are denigrated and treated as objects?
Well, here's the thing you overlook. When men act poorly, it reflects badly on other men. So as a male I have EVERY right to speak up in such situations.
I understand what you're saying here, about not feeding the trolls, but some things are just too much and deserve to be put down.
With stuff like this, we wonder why women complain or feel harassed?
Ada Lovelace had an unmatched intellect combined with imagination and creativity, and especially given the era she lived in, is worthy of great admiration. Show a little respect instead of being a d--k yourself.
There is a logical fallacy right at the front of your extended reply.
If p, then q does not imply if q, then p.
My statement that "Macs are good for people who can't handle much else" stands. That statement did not assert "all people who use Macs can't handle much else."
This comes back to the ridiculous idea that liberal arts majors are incapable of learning math, and the even worse idea that math is hard for women ... so there should be another way to become a "programmer."
With decent teaching, the desire to learn, and the willingness to put in the time, math is just as much in reach as philosophy or political science or psychology ... maybe even more in reach, because you actually can solve problems with answers that are verifiably right or wrong.
Another fallacious "free" concept: "Linux is only free if your time is."
But it's my free choice; I decide how much time I want to put in. And as to this:
the very last thing I want to do is fiddle-fart around with Linux just to achieve a modicum of usability
... in recent years I've had to do no fiddling to achieve a very high level of usability. It's only when I want something special or highly customized that I need to "fiddle." Of course sometimes I want to fiddle but it is seldom a necessity.
So, check my username and get a clue as to what I enjoy as an alternative to either...
Certainly a valid choice. Macs are great for people who can't handle much else.
The difference with economics is that there are far stronger incentives to corrupt observations and models than with most other sciences.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case. Look at historical debates such as "does smoking cause cancer" and current debates on climate change .... many sciences are subject to the influence of politics and agendas, and tragically, there are scientists who allow themselves to be so influenced.
Remember, when firmware mods are criminalized, only criminals will have firmware mods. Or however that phrase goes.
What a great opportunity for vendors to bake in spyware, adware, who knows what. Nah, they'd never do that, right?
they didn't listen because they wanted stuff to "just work".
The further irony is that they didn't even get that much ... what they got was "stuff just works, except when it doesn't."
Now ... before anyone says, "yeah but stuff doesn't 'just work' on Linux either" ---- I know that. But I also know how much I paid for Linux. And if I'm good enough at it, I'm free to "fix stuff" and "make stuff work" I've done so many times. (Sure there are limits, the kernel is not so easy to fix ... but still ... you at least have full source access.)
there is definitely a vocal sub group that do claim it is exactly that
Even more interesting to me is that some of these vocal sub-groups make a literal word by word interpretation of the English translation of original Hebrew and Greek texts, usually the King James translation. Apparently English is the official language of their brand of Christianity.
As to the whole carbon dating of the Quran .... want to start a pool on how long it will take for a fatwah to be issuef against the scientists who published the study?
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In short - fuck off with your false equivalencies. The stub toes and the lower profits are BOTH a bunch of whinging, fascist cunts who want nothing more than to turn you into means for their own ends.
I'm not understanding your vituperative finale here. I think I stated in my original post that I'm tired of listening to both groups and would rather just hear about the actual science, and a few thoughtful posters put forth some good information---- from which you might learn something.
You make a good point about assembly language. I cut my teeth, so to speak, on IBM 1620 assembly way back when, and that type of learning very early on in my career was really a good thing in terms of learning how computers work --- something that hasn't changed in its fundamentals.
Babylonian Aramaic. Way easier than Palestinian Aramaic.
So what do you suggest?
Bash and grep?
perl?
This is /. Everything is to be written in elisp and run under Emacs.
Can we just have science instead of hysteria? (Yeah, I know.)
I'm willing to accept the conclusions of science and whether I like them or not is irrelevant.
But I'm tired of on the one hand hearing the equivalents of "mitigating climate change will lower my profits, so climate change can't be real" and on the other hand, "I stubbed my toe, it must be due to climate change."
Now you've piqued my interest.
Down to a certain point, I've also learned that "less is more" when it comes to material possessions. The posessions can start to own you instead of the reverse.
You'd get tired of it and have to upgrade to grub2.
The problem here is in trying to find a simple answer to a complex question. This is not a matter of having a binary choice of answers to "Monopolies are bad, yes or no?"
Can there be problems when an entity is so large that it completely dominates, and the barriers to entry are high, preventing effective competition? Of course. Are there times when a monopoly-like situation could be in the public interest? Think national defense or possibly electric power utilities (and the counter-argument that the government louses up implementation and regulation only goes so far). Are there intermediate cases? Almost certainly.
So where do you draw the line between abuse of power and Google being in the end a dominant for-profit corporation? Do we really think there's a simple one word or one sentence answer?
I'll stay with Gnome 2 on Linux Mint. No problems at all. That's the nice thing about Linux, there are choices[1]. If you don't like Gnome 3 or Unity (understandably so) there's still Gnome 2, and KDE, and Xfce, and so on.
For the record, I did install classic shell on Windows 8.1 and it is better with it than without it, but it's still terrible in terms of usability compared to Windows XP or Windows 7. Or Gnome 2.
[1] Yes, I know, someone is going to say the all those choices are a problem for Linux going mainstream. But Linux isn't ever going really mainstream; I don't pretend otherwise. Microsoft and Apple are simply too big and powerful to displace. That's why (as someone posted above) Windows 8 has a big market share compared to Linux. It certainly isn't because it wins on merit; it's because it has powerful market forces behind it.
Nothing like intentionally missing the point. In the Communist countries, this actually happened. It has not in the US and is hardly likely.
The user experience has been ruined in a way that many thought would not be possible.
Many thought not possible? Think: Windows 8. A failure far more stunning than Gnome 3, Unity, Firefox, or just about anything ever seen anywhere. Although it's apples and oranges, it makes systemd look stellar.
Oh well then, just drop in to your nearest police station or FBI department every morning during your stay to say howdy. Nothing wrong with that.
The equivalent took place in former communist countries. I remember visiting the DDR (East Germany) and having to turn in my passport every night. Get a little perspective here, please.
Why are people taking this raving by a candidate with not much chance of getting elected so seriously? Does anyone here really believe visitors are going to get imprinted with a bar code --- which is not even what Christie said?
If the US is so bad that you don't want to visit, go visit someplace nice, with a better attitude ... you know, like North Korea or Iran.
Interesting how the main anti-US comment was modded +5 and the main pro-US comment modded 0 (as of this writing). I don't know what that tells us about opinions in general but it certainly tells us about /. posters.