>>>I'd like to know how, as a vendor, you prevent something like this from happening.
Isn't it obvious? When a customer comes into your store and says, "My PS3 no longer runs linux. I'd like a refund," don't push the customer out the door. He will simply call-in the Consumer Protection Agency and get you, the vendor, in trouble. That's the lesson.
So if Apple embraces an open web, how come I can't run anything but Safari and Opera on the iPhone?
I don't know..... If it didn't say "Steve Jobs" at the top, I might think I was reading a letter written by Bill Gates. Or the GM CEO. ("We paid back the money loaned to us by taxpayers," except they really didn't.) Typical double-speak. I think Steve would have been better off just saying, "It uses too much battery power," and been done with it.
Uh oh. Here come the Church of Apple monks. There goes my karma.
They'd probably come back with some comment like, "Well yes it was advertised to run Linux FOR 90 DAYS per the warranty. We're not responsible if it stops working after the warranty period," and then have security escort you to the door.
>>>they can't "restore the Other OS function" any better than you can. What lesson are you trying to teach them?
(1) Obey the law even if you don't like it. (2) If enough merchants like Walmart, Kmart, Sears, et cetera lose money due to refunds on Sony's products, then THEY will sue Sony for damages causes to their businesses. And they have far more power than we do to make Sony hurt.
>>>This comment makes me feel like your whole reasoning behind this was to "teach the store a lesson."
Given how many times consumers get screwed by corporations or mega-stores, I agree they need to be taught a lesson. The law is the law and applies to everyone, even corporations. I bought underwear that was supposed to be size medium, but actually had small inside. No big deal, but when I asked for an even exchange they said my receipt was past the 60-day return limit so "sorry we can't exchange sizes".
If your viewpoint I guess I should have just rolled-over and let myself be screwed.
Instead I contacted my credit card, told them what happened, and they reversed the charge on the basis of the merchant not fulfilling contractual obligations (selling the product advertised). So to the Grandparent poster I say: Bravo! You stood up for your rights and enforced the law as written - you wanted a PS3 + Third Party OS and they took that away from you. Perhaps if more of us did that, we wouldn't keep getting trampled underfoot by the likes of Goldman Sachs or the Congress.
Sony was a good company in 1995 when they first entered the gaming arena. They were still a good company in 2000 as well, although prone to exaggeration ("PS2 can do Toy Story in real time"). But then they devolved. It happens.
- By the way I still haven't seen Final Fantasy 7 ported to the PS3.:-| I know that was just a demo, but it would be awesome to play that game again with FF12-style, fully-realized character graphics.
Yes and my dad broke his arm at work. The lawyer official stated they admit no guilt and don't owe him a dime, but will happily pay to fix the arm plus lost wages. Sony's statement is the same deal - legalese - trying to protect their ass(ets).
I love class-action lawsuits. I get lots of free money:
- $25 from the U.S. versus RCA, Sony, et cetera - $75 from U.S. v. Paypal - ~$4000 from U.S. v. Equinox (of course I actually gave them $10,000 so that was a bit of a loss)
And so on. I wonder what I'll get out of the PS3 class action deal?
Really? Now see that sounds odd to me, because all of our computers have floppy drives (at least in engineering). The computer at my last three jobs had floppies too. I've never encountered a workplace without a floppy drive.
I suppose if somebody didn't have a drive, I'd just let them copy it from my USB keydrive but to date it's never been an issue.
I learned a lot playing "Red Storm Rising" and "Pirates" on my old 8-bit computer. All about how the Warsaw Pact would overrun western europe, and the piracy of the colonial era. Great stuff! (Yes kids you really can have fun with only 0.001 gigahertz and 0.00006 gigabytes RAM.)
>>>everyone dies apart from Bruce Willis [and his 40-year-old daughter Liv Tyler and her husband]
There.
Fixed.
As for the topic at hand, like fusion reactors the main problem will be getting MORE energy than you consume. There's no point in doing something like this if you spend 2 megawatts running the laser and only get 1.9 megawatts back from your star.
Perhaps a smarter move would be to figure out how to harness the star we already have (plus that second star the aliens created in Jupiter's orbit).
No actually it wasn't. They share the same video specs of between 240-250 lines of resolution (220-230 at slower speeds). And the same aural specs of 20-20,000 hertz. So identical.
If anything I would argue VHS was superior because in 1975 Betamax only recorded 1 hour - same as its Umatic parent - while VHS did 4 hours. So VHS could record an entire evening of drama or football, while Betamax could not. ----- Even after additional speeds were added, Betamax was still limited to just 5 hours while VHS did 10.5 hours. So they had equal video and aural specs, but VHS recorded twice as much per ~$5 blank tape.
People value getting twice as much from their dollars, while still getting the same picture quality. VHS won.
>>>preemptive multitasking didn't show up until OS version whatever for Apple
10. It was version 10 (OS X 10.0). Is that really so difficult to remember? And it's an important event because prior to that Apples were crash-prone, since the applications often overwrote one another (non-cooperative multitasking), and made the whole computer freeze. I know. I was there cursing at the machine.
Pre-emptive multitasking stops that shit from happening, by making sure one application can not freeze the whole computer. It took 15 years to catch-up with what AmigaOS did in 1985. It took 5 years to catch-up with what Windows 95/NT4 could do. Apple is an innovative company, but they often fall behind the curve too.
And no they are NOT responsible for killing the floppy or parallel ports (the original ridiculous claim). Quoting this insightful post:
You certainly have a whitewashed view of history... Windows 98 had full USB support for any device built out of the box. First usb header (not even a port) I ever saw was on an ASUS motherboard in the mid 90's long before apple was using them.
I don't like religious fanatics. Want to worship your favorite $deity or $object? Fine with me. Just keep it to yourself. I don't need you coming along and telling me that my recent Windows7 Desktop purchase was a waste of money, because Apple Mac is superior in every way, because they "invented the floppy and USB by gum!!!". Or that my recent purchase of a Nintendo makes me an "idiot" and instead I should have bought your techno-love, the Xbox 360. ----- Keep your preachin' to yeself.
Oh and Amiga died because Commodore ran out of money. It was as simple as that. I was sad for about two seconds, but then I immediately jumped over to a Quadra Mac. No big deal really.
>>>Windows 95's multitasking. When you ran applications that wanted more RAM than you have, the OS just crashed
True but Windows 98 fixed those problems, by walling-off the misbehaving 16-bit applications. Meanwhile my 98-era PowerMac was constantly crashing (the eternal spinning circle that has no escape mechanism). It was about that time when I realized the Mac OS was woefully behind Windows... a bit of a shock really. And no preemptive multitasking.
It's also known as "tyranny of the majority" and the root cause of most of history's injustices..... like segregating blacks from whites, because that's what the majority wanted. Or imprisoning Japanese Americans, because that's what the majority wanted. Or lynching men who admitted they were gay, because that's what the majority wanted.
But OUR society is supposed to protect the minorities. You can't do that if the elected officials are just blindly following majority wishes, which typically means squashing the minority underfoot.
- I sell chicken eggs in Fargo North Dakota. All of my customers are within 10 miles, and therefore inside ND. Since I do not cross any borders, I am subject to no government other than my State and my City governments. The U.S. Congress has no juris authority.
- I run Mom&Pop Internet of Fargo. All of my wires and all of my customers are located inside Fargo and do not cross state lines. Yes AT&T runs a 1000 Mbit/s cable to my central office, but THEY are the ones crossing state lines, so THEY are subject to cross-border regulation by the U.S. government. I am not. I never cross the border.
To make the argument that because my actions wholly-and-completely within North Dakota "affect" commerce elsewhere, I should be subject to regulation by the US..... is also an argument for why I should be subject to regulation by nearby Canada, by the EU, by the Russian Federation, et cetera. Why? Because I "affect" their markets.
There's a reason why "jurisdiction" was created as a concept. So governments do not overreach and try to regulate everything, thereby consolidating power in one spot (a dangerous practice). Both the EU and US governments have been strictly limited to cross-border regulations. What happens inside the Member States is not part of their jurisdiction.
>>>Of course this assumes that the "thief" would have bought the item had they not copied it.
In my case - no. I think movies have really devolved into pointless roller coaster rides lacking story, so I'm not wasting my money on the DVD. I'd rather spend my money on the pre-CGI products, or TV shows, where they have to use story to keep people in the seats.
Okay you discuss Cameron but what about people like J.Michael Straczynski who created the Babylon 5 series? He's not a poor man, but he's not rich either. He's an average guy just like us, and doesn't he deserve to earn profit-sharing from his work? As an engineer, I get profit sharing, so why shouldn't he?
And yet year-after-year, WB claims Babylon 5 lost money. Clearly a lie. (If it was losing money, why didn't they cancel it?) They are stealing from Mr. Straczynski. They are stealing from the actors. They are stealing from the crew.
This is true of every television show. The TV company always claims a loss, so they never have to pay out.
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>>>I'd like to know how, as a vendor, you prevent something like this from happening.
Isn't it obvious? When a customer comes into your store and says, "My PS3 no longer runs linux. I'd like a refund," don't push the customer out the door. He will simply call-in the Consumer Protection Agency and get you, the vendor, in trouble. That's the lesson.
>>>he believes that the WORLD WIDE WEB should ALWAYS be OPEN.
So how come I can't run Firefox or seaMonkey on the iPhone?
What's Cocoa?
So if Apple embraces an open web, how come I can't run anything but Safari and Opera on the iPhone?
I don't know..... If it didn't say "Steve Jobs" at the top, I might think I was reading a letter written by Bill Gates. Or the GM CEO. ("We paid back the money loaned to us by taxpayers," except they really didn't.) Typical double-speak. I think Steve would have been better off just saying, "It uses too much battery power," and been done with it.
Uh oh.
Here come the Church of Apple monks.
There goes my karma.
>>>TFA has already been slashdotted...
If you're using Opera turn on "turbo" and it will load.
And this is why I'm waiting a few weeks, until they get the initial bugs out.
They'd probably come back with some comment like, "Well yes it was advertised to run Linux FOR 90 DAYS per the warranty. We're not responsible if it stops working after the warranty period," and then have security escort you to the door.
I guess the lawsuit really is necessary.
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>>>they can't "restore the Other OS function" any better than you can. What lesson are you trying to teach them?
(1) Obey the law even if you don't like it. (2) If enough merchants like Walmart, Kmart, Sears, et cetera lose money due to refunds on Sony's products, then THEY will sue Sony for damages causes to their businesses. And they have far more power than we do to make Sony hurt.
>>>This comment makes me feel like your whole reasoning behind this was to "teach the store a lesson."
Given how many times consumers get screwed by corporations or mega-stores, I agree they need to be taught a lesson. The law is the law and applies to everyone, even corporations. I bought underwear that was supposed to be size medium, but actually had small inside. No big deal, but when I asked for an even exchange they said my receipt was past the 60-day return limit so "sorry we can't exchange sizes".
If your viewpoint I guess I should have just rolled-over and let myself be screwed.
Instead I contacted my credit card, told them what happened, and they reversed the charge on the basis of the merchant not fulfilling contractual obligations (selling the product advertised). So to the Grandparent poster I say: Bravo! You stood up for your rights and enforced the law as written - you wanted a PS3 + Third Party OS and they took that away from you. Perhaps if more of us did that, we wouldn't keep getting trampled underfoot by the likes of Goldman Sachs or the Congress.
Sony was a good company in 1995 when they first entered the gaming arena.
They were still a good company in 2000 as well, although prone to exaggeration ("PS2 can do Toy Story in real time").
But then they devolved. It happens.
- By the way I still haven't seen Final Fantasy 7 ported to the PS3. :-| I know that was just a demo, but it would be awesome to play that game again with FF12-style, fully-realized character graphics.
Yes and my dad broke his arm at work. The lawyer official stated they admit no guilt and don't owe him a dime, but will happily pay to fix the arm plus lost wages. Sony's statement is the same deal - legalese - trying to protect their ass(ets).
I love class-action lawsuits. I get lots of free money:
- $25 from the U.S. versus RCA, Sony, et cetera
- $75 from U.S. v. Paypal
- ~$4000 from U.S. v. Equinox (of course I actually gave them $10,000 so that was a bit of a loss)
And so on. I wonder what I'll get out of the PS3 class action deal?
Really? Now see that sounds odd to me, because all of our computers have floppy drives (at least in engineering). The computer at my last three jobs had floppies too. I've never encountered a workplace without a floppy drive.
I suppose if somebody didn't have a drive, I'd just let them copy it from my USB keydrive but to date it's never been an issue.
True.
I learned a lot playing "Red Storm Rising" and "Pirates" on my old 8-bit computer. All about how the Warsaw Pact would overrun western europe, and the piracy of the colonial era. Great stuff! (Yes kids you really can have fun with only 0.001 gigahertz and 0.00006 gigabytes RAM.)
>>>everyone dies apart from Bruce Willis [and his 40-year-old daughter Liv Tyler and her husband]
There.
Fixed.
As for the topic at hand, like fusion reactors the main problem will be getting MORE energy than you consume. There's no point in doing something like this if you spend 2 megawatts running the laser and only get 1.9 megawatts back from your star.
Perhaps a smarter move would be to figure out how to harness the star we already have (plus that second star the aliens created in Jupiter's orbit).
That's what an EU citizen did. It came out of amazon's pocket if I recall correctly, and I'm sure they then charged it back to Sony.
P.S.
>>>Beta was better than VHS too
No actually it wasn't. They share the same video specs of between 240-250 lines of resolution (220-230 at slower speeds). And the same aural specs of 20-20,000 hertz. So identical.
If anything I would argue VHS was superior because in 1975 Betamax only recorded 1 hour - same as its Umatic parent - while VHS did 4 hours. So VHS could record an entire evening of drama or football, while Betamax could not. ----- Even after additional speeds were added, Betamax was still limited to just 5 hours while VHS did 10.5 hours. So they had equal video and aural specs, but VHS recorded twice as much per ~$5 blank tape.
People value getting twice as much from their dollars, while still getting the same picture quality. VHS won.
>>>preemptive multitasking didn't show up until OS version whatever for Apple
10. It was version 10 (OS X 10.0). Is that really so difficult to remember? And it's an important event because prior to that Apples were crash-prone, since the applications often overwrote one another (non-cooperative multitasking), and made the whole computer freeze. I know. I was there cursing at the machine.
Pre-emptive multitasking stops that shit from happening, by making sure one application can not freeze the whole computer. It took 15 years to catch-up with what AmigaOS did in 1985. It took 5 years to catch-up with what Windows 95/NT4 could do. Apple is an innovative company, but they often fall behind the curve too.
And no they are NOT responsible for killing the floppy or parallel ports (the original ridiculous claim). Quoting this insightful post:
You certainly have a whitewashed view of history... Windows 98 had full USB support for any device built out of the box. First usb header (not even a port) I ever saw was on an ASUS motherboard in the mid 90's long before apple was using them.
You're right. I do have an issue.
I don't like religious fanatics. Want to worship your favorite $deity or $object? Fine with me. Just keep it to yourself. I don't need you coming along and telling me that my recent Windows7 Desktop purchase was a waste of money, because Apple Mac is superior in every way, because they "invented the floppy and USB by gum!!!". Or that my recent purchase of a Nintendo makes me an "idiot" and instead I should have bought your techno-love, the Xbox 360. ----- Keep your preachin' to yeself.
Oh and Amiga died because Commodore ran out of money. It was as simple as that. I was sad for about two seconds, but then I immediately jumped over to a Quadra Mac. No big deal really.
>>>Windows 95's multitasking. When you ran applications that wanted more RAM than you have, the OS just crashed
True but Windows 98 fixed those problems, by walling-off the misbehaving 16-bit applications. Meanwhile my 98-era PowerMac was constantly crashing (the eternal spinning circle that has no escape mechanism). It was about that time when I realized the Mac OS was woefully behind Windows... a bit of a shock really. And no preemptive multitasking.
It could be called "democracy" if it's the majority of parents imposing their will on a minority.
Or "oligarchy" if it's a few leaders presuming they are smarter than us mere commoners, and they have to protect us from ourselves.
In both cases, I'd describe it as "tyranny" because it removes individual freedom of choice.
It's also known as "tyranny of the majority" and the root cause of most of history's injustices..... like segregating blacks from whites, because that's what the majority wanted. Or imprisoning Japanese Americans, because that's what the majority wanted. Or lynching men who admitted they were gay, because that's what the majority wanted.
But OUR society is supposed to protect the minorities. You can't do that if the elected officials are just blindly following majority wishes, which typically means squashing the minority underfoot.
Not really difficult at all:
- I sell chicken eggs in Fargo North Dakota. All of my customers are within 10 miles, and therefore inside ND. Since I do not cross any borders, I am subject to no government other than my State and my City governments. The U.S. Congress has no juris authority.
- I run Mom&Pop Internet of Fargo. All of my wires and all of my customers are located inside Fargo and do not cross state lines. Yes AT&T runs a 1000 Mbit/s cable to my central office, but THEY are the ones crossing state lines, so THEY are subject to cross-border regulation by the U.S. government. I am not. I never cross the border.
To make the argument that because my actions wholly-and-completely within North Dakota "affect" commerce elsewhere, I should be subject to regulation by the US..... is also an argument for why I should be subject to regulation by nearby Canada, by the EU, by the Russian Federation, et cetera. Why? Because I "affect" their markets.
There's a reason why "jurisdiction" was created as a concept. So governments do not overreach and try to regulate everything, thereby consolidating power in one spot (a dangerous practice). Both the EU and US governments have been strictly limited to cross-border regulations. What happens inside the Member States is not part of their jurisdiction.
>>>Of course this assumes that the "thief" would have bought the item had they not copied it.
In my case - no. I think movies have really devolved into pointless roller coaster rides lacking story, so I'm not wasting my money on the DVD. I'd rather spend my money on the pre-CGI products, or TV shows, where they have to use story to keep people in the seats.
Okay you discuss Cameron but what about people like J.Michael Straczynski who created the Babylon 5 series? He's not a poor man, but he's not rich either. He's an average guy just like us, and doesn't he deserve to earn profit-sharing from his work? As an engineer, I get profit sharing, so why shouldn't he?
And yet year-after-year, WB claims Babylon 5 lost money. Clearly a lie. (If it was losing money, why didn't they cancel it?) They are stealing from Mr. Straczynski. They are stealing from the actors. They are stealing from the crew.
This is true of every television show. The TV company always claims a loss, so they never have to pay out.