. ..we're going to rapidly outstrip the imaginations of Star Trek writers. ..
We did that with the LED clock.
. ..there's going to have to be some clever work done on improving the user interface on such units--but there are inventive types out there working on that sort of thing).
All they have to do is change the human form factor.
In know that this might be considered cheating, but please allow me to actually quote Moore:
"The complexity for minimum component costs has increased at a rate of roughly a factor of two per year. Certainly over the short term this rate can be expected to continue, if not to increase."
This is the section of the Act which causes licences to be necessary to run a program, and exactly the same logic is applicable to mp3s.
Sections of the act applying to software do not apply to sound recordings, however logical it might seem.
Quote me the part of the act that explicitly states the same for sound recordings. Logic has nothing to do with law, only code and court rulings.
From the FAQ:
"But if I've bought something, can't I use it however I like?
Just buying a copy of a book, CD, video, computer program, etc. does not necessarily give you the right to make further copies (even for private use) or play or show them in public."
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
In any case it's what you bloody well deserve for taking political strategy from the French.
I seem to have replied to my own post rather than yours. Maybe I missed some context, but I thought this thread was about UK law?
And I seem to have been thinking about the story on legislation currently being introduced to the US Congress.
However, most of my post is still based on international treaty agreements to which the UK is signatory and common law, since I wished to cover as much of an audience as possible.
The lack of license attached to media is the very reason that DVDs are region coded. It is often the only means available to try to manipulate the market and even then relies on local law to prevent the bypassing of the region coding.
There is, however, much conflict in law over these issues, not just between nations, but even within nations.
UK law specifically states:
"sound recording" means--
(a) a recording of sounds, from which the sounds may be reproduced, or
(b) a recording of the whole or any part of a literary, dramatic or musical work, from which sounds reproducing the work or part may be produced,
regardless of the medium on which the recording is made or the method by which the sounds are reproduced or produced . ..
In other words, there is an explict lack of distinction in law between and analog sound recording law and a digital sound recording law. "Sound recording" is the relevant issue.
And:
For this purpose making available to the public includes--
(a) in the case of a literary, dramatic or musical work--
(i) performance in public, or
(ii) being broadcast or included in a cable programme service;
This is expanded on in other sections to define that is performance/broadcast that requires license, not mere playing.
Please post a copy of the license agreement you find attached to CDs in the UK? I cannot find any on my import CDs or books, simply a copyright notice.
KFG
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I am a certified dysxleci and dysgraiphc. The testing standards are very strinjint.
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. ..but I didn't NEED to go to school to learn this . ..
Who said anything about going to school? I am a vociferous advocate of the library fine model of education. Most of what you learn in school these days, even at the tertiary level, is just plain wrong. At least in math, physics and chemistry we still require that you test and verify what's in the text book at the lowest levels.
. ..you actually could have a book on theory - for each one of them.
And here it is, written from the point of view of the practioner:
The weight in pounds given in the blurb is a conversion from the weight in kilograms given in the FA.
KFG
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. ..the review leaves me wondering who would be a worthwhile reader.
Software engineers and Database Administrators.
An intuitive "hackers" understanding of physics is perfectly sufficient to construct a gocart out of 2x4s and baby coach wheels, but automotive engineers find that a knowledge of "theory" is rather useful in getting practical work done.
In fact if your software does not have a solid grounding in theory it may well be worse than useless, as software is nothing more than applied science. The computer is a mathematics engine. Nothing less, nothing more.
If you do not understand the underlying structure of your high level language and the low level mathmatical theory below that you liable to make grevious mistakes in first selecting your high level tools, then in the specific models that you impliment with your code and then in your code itself.
And be utterly clueless that you have done so.
KFG
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Though I was referring to the copying of copyrighted material and distrobution by a party other than the original distributor for profit.
So? Point being that encryption doesn't do anything to prevent this. Nothing.
And the customers for the pirated DVDs typically already own licensed DVD players so there is no impediment to playback.
It's key licensing fee protection, not copy protection. The list of original ten founding members of the DVD Consortium (now the DVD Forum, which sounds ever so much less like a cabal) makes interesting reading:
It certainly is; and it stands as good evidence that flamebait should not necessarily be modded down.
If there is to be any root cause for the demise of our culture, right now I'd bet on our pathological aversion to simple, nonviolent conflict. See the behavior of our current "opposition" party in Congress.
I guess I'm not a target user of their system since I just want Java to work on my system without being strip searched and violated.
Well, then you better go talk to Sun, as Java is their product under their license and if you are being strip searched and violated it is by the Sun legal team.
And, oddly enough, that's exactly the step that Debian took, although they might have been wise to allow the persons legally responsible for certain terms of the license to be the ones to do the talking.
Legal restrictions on copying are not defined by your intuition. They are defined by law.
The law explicitly states that incidental copies in order to use digital media as intended is not restricted. This applies to software as well, not just music.
Copyright law is largely proscriptive. It tells you what you are not allowed to do. If it doesn't say you can't do it, you can. Nonetheless the holders of copyrights have historically often tried to overstep the bounds of their rights, such as trying to sell books under license and forbidding their resale; and even loan. The explict permission to make incidental copies of digital media resulted from arguments by software publishers (not the music industry; they already understood the incidental reproduction of music as unrestricted under existing law. You can't play an analog LP without "copying" it to analog electrical wave either) that transient copying to memory constituted restricted copying. That argument was rejected by the legislatures of the world.
Just because something can be considered a copy by some definition or other does not imply that it is restricted copying and that you need a license.
You are free to read The Cat in the Hat to your children without it being considered a public performance requiring a license. You may resell the book without and do not violate any license in doing so, because you have none. The new owner of the book does not obtain a license because he does not require one.
The same goes for audio and video copies of The Cat in the Hat, whether analog or digital. You will find a copyright notice on these items (sometimes expressed as a warning from the FBI), but no license terms, because such a license if forbidden by law.
You only need license for that which you have no right to do. You have a right to play a CD. This right is backed by codified law.
This is the very reason for the DMCA creating a restriction on your messing with the protection scheme, because the "content" is within your rights to freely access.
Care to point me to the reference for "standard English"?
Any recent dictionary, with the addition of Strunk & White.
This is not at all the same thing as pointing you to an authority for standard English and the references all contain noticable disagreements between them.
There is such a thing as standard English. There is no such thing as proper English, because English is not defined, it is spoke/wrote, the reference definitions being created from usage post hoc. The very reason why it is proper English to refer to it as standard English rather than proper English. Or at least that's the standard.
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. . .we're going to rapidly outstrip the imaginations of Star Trek writers. . .
.there's going to have to be some clever work done on improving the user interface on such units--but there are inventive types out there working on that sort of thing).
We did that with the LED clock.
. .
All they have to do is change the human form factor.
KFG
Are multifunction gadgets really better?
Yes, the picture quality on that 5" TV is really nice, but I had my heart set on something much smaller.
KFG
"ATM machine".
Don't forget your PIN number.
KFG
In know that this might be considered cheating, but please allow me to actually quote Moore:
"The complexity for minimum component costs has increased at a rate of roughly a factor of two per year. Certainly over the short term this rate can be expected to continue, if not to increase."
Emphasis mine.
KFG
This is the section of the Act which causes licences to be necessary to run a program, and exactly the same logic is applicable to mp3s.
Sections of the act applying to software do not apply to sound recordings, however logical it might seem.
Quote me the part of the act that explicitly states the same for sound recordings. Logic has nothing to do with law, only code and court rulings.
From the FAQ:
"But if I've bought something, can't I use it however I like?
Just buying a copy of a book, CD, video, computer program, etc. does not necessarily give you the right to make further copies (even for private use) or play or show them in public."
Emphasis mine.
KFG
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
In any case it's what you bloody well deserve for taking political strategy from the French.
KFG
I seem to have replied to my own post rather than yours. Maybe I missed some context, but I thought this thread was about UK law?
.
And I seem to have been thinking about the story on legislation currently being introduced to the US Congress.
However, most of my post is still based on international treaty agreements to which the UK is signatory and common law, since I wished to cover as much of an audience as possible.
The lack of license attached to media is the very reason that DVDs are region coded. It is often the only means available to try to manipulate the market and even then relies on local law to prevent the bypassing of the region coding.
There is, however, much conflict in law over these issues, not just between nations, but even within nations.
UK law specifically states:
"sound recording" means--
(a) a recording of sounds, from which the sounds may be reproduced, or
(b) a recording of the whole or any part of a literary, dramatic or musical work, from which sounds reproducing the work or part may be produced,
regardless of the medium on which the recording is made or the method by which the sounds are reproduced or produced . .
In other words, there is an explict lack of distinction in law between and analog sound recording law and a digital sound recording law. "Sound recording" is the relevant issue.
And:
For this purpose making available to the public includes--
(a) in the case of a literary, dramatic or musical work--
(i) performance in public, or
(ii) being broadcast or included in a cable programme service;
This is expanded on in other sections to define that is performance/broadcast that requires license, not mere playing.
Please post a copy of the license agreement you find attached to CDs in the UK? I cannot find any on my import CDs or books, simply a copyright notice.
KFG
I am a certified dysxleci and dysgraiphc. The testing standards are very strinjint.
KFG
. . .but I didn't NEED to go to school to learn this . . .
.you actually could have a book on theory - for each one of them.
Who said anything about going to school? I am a vociferous advocate of the library fine model of education. Most of what you learn in school these days, even at the tertiary level, is just plain wrong. At least in math, physics and chemistry we still require that you test and verify what's in the text book at the lowest levels.
. .
And here it is, written from the point of view of the practioner:
Practical Issues in Database Management
Perhaps if you read it you will gain a better understanding of the very concept of "theory." Your comment reveals you to be a bit weak on this point.
KFG
The weight in pounds given in the blurb is a conversion from the weight in kilograms given in the FA.
KFG
. . .the review leaves me wondering who would be a worthwhile reader.
Software engineers and Database Administrators.
An intuitive "hackers" understanding of physics is perfectly sufficient to construct a gocart out of 2x4s and baby coach wheels, but automotive engineers find that a knowledge of "theory" is rather useful in getting practical work done.
In fact if your software does not have a solid grounding in theory it may well be worse than useless, as software is nothing more than applied science. The computer is a mathematics engine. Nothing less, nothing more.
If you do not understand the underlying structure of your high level language and the low level mathmatical theory below that you liable to make grevious mistakes in first selecting your high level tools, then in the specific models that you impliment with your code and then in your code itself.
And be utterly clueless that you have done so.
KFG
Though I was referring to the copying of copyrighted material and distrobution by a party other than the original distributor for profit.
So? Point being that encryption doesn't do anything to prevent this. Nothing.
And the customers for the pirated DVDs typically already own licensed DVD players so there is no impediment to playback.
It's key licensing fee protection, not copy protection. The list of original ten founding members of the DVD Consortium (now the DVD Forum, which sounds ever so much less like a cabal) makes interesting reading:
http://www.dvdforum.org/about-mission.htm
KFG
How many Libraries Of Congress can I store on this thing?! That's what I need to know!
With lossy compression one LOC per bit of available storage.
KFG
Encrypting a DVD to prevent illegal copying is good.
Un, un! Lbh pna'g pbcl guvf.
KFG
Just because the most popular searches are brain-dead doesn't mean everyone is brain-dead, it just means that there is a common thread among people.
This just in: Father's Day linked to cancer!
KFG
It certainly is; and it stands as good evidence that flamebait should not necessarily be modded down.
If there is to be any root cause for the demise of our culture, right now I'd bet on our pathological aversion to simple, nonviolent conflict. See the behavior of our current "opposition" party in Congress.
KFG
sickle-cell anemia. . .
That depends a good deal on whether or not you are the one that has it.
KFG
The question of which came first, the chicken or the egg, exists because an egg is clearly not a chicken.
KFG
Morals are relative.
Indeed. Mine are relatively good, whereas where they differ from my own yours are relatively bad.
KFG
I guess I'm not a target user of their system since I just want Java to work on my system without being strip searched and violated.
Well, then you better go talk to Sun, as Java is their product under their license and if you are being strip searched and violated it is by the Sun legal team.
And, oddly enough, that's exactly the step that Debian took, although they might have been wise to allow the persons legally responsible for certain terms of the license to be the ones to do the talking.
KFG
I used the standard nonstandard form.
KFG
The flying car was canceled because it was one of those "talking" models that everyone hated so much.
Great, now we'll have to waste time getting our houses to just shut the hell up. Text and buttons work, without being intrusively annoying.
KFG
Legal restrictions on copying are not defined by your intuition. They are defined by law.
The law explicitly states that incidental copies in order to use digital media as intended is not restricted. This applies to software as well, not just music.
Copyright law is largely proscriptive. It tells you what you are not allowed to do. If it doesn't say you can't do it, you can. Nonetheless the holders of copyrights have historically often tried to overstep the bounds of their rights, such as trying to sell books under license and forbidding their resale; and even loan. The explict permission to make incidental copies of digital media resulted from arguments by software publishers (not the music industry; they already understood the incidental reproduction of music as unrestricted under existing law. You can't play an analog LP without "copying" it to analog electrical wave either) that transient copying to memory constituted restricted copying. That argument was rejected by the legislatures of the world.
Just because something can be considered a copy by some definition or other does not imply that it is restricted copying and that you need a license.
You are free to read The Cat in the Hat to your children without it being considered a public performance requiring a license. You may resell the book without and do not violate any license in doing so, because you have none. The new owner of the book does not obtain a license because he does not require one.
The same goes for audio and video copies of The Cat in the Hat, whether analog or digital. You will find a copyright notice on these items (sometimes expressed as a warning from the FBI), but no license terms, because such a license if forbidden by law.
You only need license for that which you have no right to do. You have a right to play a CD. This right is backed by codified law.
This is the very reason for the DMCA creating a restriction on your messing with the protection scheme, because the "content" is within your rights to freely access.
So they restricted the key.
KFG
Care to point me to the reference for "standard English"?
Any recent dictionary, with the addition of Strunk & White.
This is not at all the same thing as pointing you to an authority for standard English and the references all contain noticable disagreements between them.
There is such a thing as standard English. There is no such thing as proper English, because English is not defined, it is spoke/wrote, the reference definitions being created from usage post hoc. The very reason why it is proper English to refer to it as standard English rather than proper English. Or at least that's the standard.
KFG
And the Constitution ought to be our last.
KFG