Hey, just because your inferior eyes can't see the difference, doesn't mean you can make fun of me.
I take it then that you're not a potential customer for my ectoplasm and n-ray detector?
That's too bad, because it's a beaut', and at only $2499 a real bargain, especially since it comes with an ironclad guaruntee to detect any ectoplasm or n-rays that can be shown to have actually been present or I will unhesitatingly and cheerfully spend your money.
KFG
P.S. Some moderator who actually resembles your remark seems to have missed your humor. Go Figure.
Who said anything about taking them off the hook? As the marketer it is Netgear that is directly responsible to their customers.
As the manufacturer it is z-com that is responsible to its customers, in this case, Netgear. There is a hierarchy of customers here in which Netgear in in the middle. The man in the middle is often the one to get squashed.
This seems to indicate that NetGear should require a "no backdoors inside" guarantee on such contracts.
Yes, it would, wouldn't it? And I'm sure in future it will, at least in essence, but is it not always the case that you find out what your contract should have said after it goes bad on you somehow?
But look at it this way. What if you were going into the white box business about the time of release for the Pentium II chip, would your "contract" with Intel have a "no floating point calculation errors" clause, or would it more likely be a simple receipt for the deliver of and payment for 1000 cpus?
And when the bug hit the public and people demanded a fix from you wouldn't you have considered it Intel's error and Intel's problem?
And what would you put into your "contract" with Intel on your next cpu purchase to protect you from the next, and currently unknown, issue?
When you buy your next car will you demand a "won't blow up on me" clause to your contract, or do you simply consider that issue part of the already extant express and implied guaruntee that attaches to the car? The latter is certainly the way the courts view it.
You buy stuff. You get a receipt.That stuff has certain express and implied guaruntees attached to it just like anything else. You resell it with express and implied guaruntees. If the stuff turns out to be bad in some way your customers bitch to you and you have to make good. You are also a customer, of your supplier, so you bitch to them and they have to make good.
That's just the way the buying and selling business works.
This isn't outsourcing in the sense that IBM outsources its programing and support staff. It's oursourcing in the sense that your Raleigh bicycle is actually a Giant with a Raleigh sticker on.
It isn't even really outsourcing in the sense that Dell oursources its video cards to ATI, its cpus to Intel and its CD drives to LG, which is all perfectly legitimate. Would you really expect Dell to make its cpus and capacitors?
You buy stuff and market it.
z-com is the actual manufacturer and they sell their products to marketers. Netgear just buys the stuff and resells it.
Just like you could go to z-com and have them slap some stickers on stuff for you to resell. Or Giant. Or whoever makes Levis and Calvin Klien jeans in China. Or. ..
This isn't about "outsourcing." This about a marketing firm getting stuck with some bad product.
Yes, but it doesn't mean "lights that blink" which is the way it was used on the original sign (it means "flashlight," because in their early days flashlight bulbs had so little lifespan you'd only turn on the light for a few seconds at a time). This is why in subsequent versions it's usually changed to "blinkenlights," because you don't have to actually know any German to find the joke, even though "blinkenlights" isn't really as funny.
What I meant by largest part was the guts of the display take up considerable space, not the size of the screen itself.
Yes, believe it or not I actually understood that, but that still leaves the fact that the human interface is still the essential limit on miniaturization, and by human interface I mean to include such things as cord jacks and durability when sat upon, and when discussing display screens the area of the display alone is often much the largest factor in how small you can make the end device. This will still hold true even when we can simply spray a complete working TV on a bit of plastic sheeting.
I still want to know how my web-enabled toaster-controlling watch manages to physically put the bread in the toaster.
Don't be silly. It's obvious that that's beyond the capabilities of a watch or toaster.
Your web enabled bread box hands off to your web enabled Roomba which kicks a field goal from long yardage. The engineers are still working out some kinks with the whole "bagel thing" though.
None of this really matters, or course, because your Aibo steals the toast before you get home.
While you certainly raise some side issues that I have made some personal observations on (and which you might find addressed in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) if you go back and read my post again you might note that I very carefully crafted a specific example germane to the question I was addressing that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of neat vs. messy.
We did not "steal" this pluralization scheme, Anglish is a Germanic dialect, however, yes, when using "boxen" to refer to a computer it is such word play.
I agree though, and have posted a few times, that English is the most wonderful and expressive language for prose precisely because of its polyglot nature.
It's also what makes it such a royal bitch of a language, but you can't have everything.
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Just out of curiosity, why are you accusing me of saying things I've never said?
KFG
-- those anti-social, navel-gazing, super-intelligent aliens! :)
Now don'chew go talkin' 'bout my mama.
Believe it or reference it only if you can convince yourself of its accuracy.
Yeah, that's what my mama says.
KFG
P.S. Holy Bejeezus!
You mean to say that just because you can not see improvements, that others can not?
No.
KFG
Yeah, and just wait until they find out that the whole dark matter thingy is just the result of somebody dropping a sign somewhere.
But hey, as long as the universal aether is safe our core view of cosmology is safe.
KFG
Hey, just because your inferior eyes can't see the difference, doesn't mean you can make fun of me.
I take it then that you're not a potential customer for my ectoplasm and n-ray detector?
That's too bad, because it's a beaut', and at only $2499 a real bargain, especially since it comes with an ironclad guaruntee to detect any ectoplasm or n-rays that can be shown to have actually been present or I will unhesitatingly and cheerfully spend your money.
KFG
P.S. Some moderator who actually resembles your remark seems to have missed your humor. Go Figure.
I still wouldn't take them off the hook so fast.
Who said anything about taking them off the hook? As the marketer it is Netgear that is directly responsible to their customers.
As the manufacturer it is z-com that is responsible to its customers, in this case, Netgear. There is a hierarchy of customers here in which Netgear in in the middle. The man in the middle is often the one to get squashed.
This seems to indicate that NetGear should require a "no backdoors inside" guarantee on such contracts.
Yes, it would, wouldn't it? And I'm sure in future it will, at least in essence, but is it not always the case that you find out what your contract should have said after it goes bad on you somehow?
But look at it this way. What if you were going into the white box business about the time of release for the Pentium II chip, would your "contract" with Intel have a "no floating point calculation errors" clause, or would it more likely be a simple receipt for the deliver of and payment for 1000 cpus?
And when the bug hit the public and people demanded a fix from you wouldn't you have considered it Intel's error and Intel's problem?
And what would you put into your "contract" with Intel on your next cpu purchase to protect you from the next, and currently unknown, issue?
When you buy your next car will you demand a "won't blow up on me" clause to your contract, or do you simply consider that issue part of the already extant express and implied guaruntee that attaches to the car? The latter is certainly the way the courts view it.
You buy stuff. You get a receipt.That stuff has certain express and implied guaruntees attached to it just like anything else. You resell it with express and implied guaruntees. If the stuff turns out to be bad in some way your customers bitch to you and you have to make good. You are also a customer, of your supplier, so you bitch to them and they have to make good.
That's just the way the buying and selling business works.
KFG
This isn't outsourcing in the sense that IBM outsources its programing and support staff. It's oursourcing in the sense that your Raleigh bicycle is actually a Giant with a Raleigh sticker on.
.
It isn't even really outsourcing in the sense that Dell oursources its video cards to ATI, its cpus to Intel and its CD drives to LG, which is all perfectly legitimate. Would you really expect Dell to make its cpus and capacitors?
You buy stuff and market it.
z-com is the actual manufacturer and they sell their products to marketers. Netgear just buys the stuff and resells it.
Just like you could go to z-com and have them slap some stickers on stuff for you to resell. Or Giant. Or whoever makes Levis and Calvin Klien jeans in China. Or. .
This isn't about "outsourcing." This about a marketing firm getting stuck with some bad product.
KFG
. . .what happens when they do a source code audit after these are found and track down the programmers who put 'em in.
I believe that's "give them a bonus and a company car."
These back doors are not trojans installed by disgruntled employees, but there by company policy.
KFG
80% of it's users are linux zealots, and 90% of them are in windows ;)
.
That's a damned lie! Just because I happen to be posting under Windows right now doesn't mean. .
Oh, wait, ummmmmmmmmm, nevermind.
KFG
I have no idea about the veracity of the original poster's claim, however:
.a number of new features. . .
Perhaps you'd like to point out some of the weaknesses?
I believe the entire point of the post was to point out a primary weakness, it won't install.
Given noninstallation it's kind of tough to determine any other weakness it might have.
. .
Which may or may not function correctly, once the Service Pack is installed.
Again, for all I know the OP is full of it, but that doesn't effect the fact that your criticism of his post fell far wide of the mark.
KFG
Will they publicise which keys are affected by this "Feture/Bug"? Dave
No, of course not, however, application of the empirical method will, shall we say, "root" them out in a hurry.
KFG
There will always, however, be people who claim to be able to detect the undetctable and spend ungodly amounts of money not to detect it.
KFG
. . .including but not limited to Oracle, IBM, your rights on-line, hardware, gaming, PDA's etc.,etc.
.Microsoft.
And even. .
KFG
Once people can get broadband porn on their cellphones, then maybe!
.why?
And a 21" screen to view it on.
In any case the damed joystick and rudder pedal set is still the limiting factor on mass and bulk.
I think there's an essential flaw in the idea of cel phones replacing home PCs.
And even if there were the perfect all in one device the fact remains that to meet your needs you'd still need a minimum of two of them, so. .
KFG
isn't "blinkenlichten" a real word?
Yes, but it doesn't mean "lights that blink" which is the way it was used on the original sign (it means "flashlight," because in their early days flashlight bulbs had so little lifespan you'd only turn on the light for a few seconds at a time). This is why in subsequent versions it's usually changed to "blinkenlights," because you don't have to actually know any German to find the joke, even though "blinkenlights" isn't really as funny.
KFG
What I meant by largest part was the guts of the display take up considerable space, not the size of the screen itself.
Yes, believe it or not I actually understood that, but that still leaves the fact that the human interface is still the essential limit on miniaturization, and by human interface I mean to include such things as cord jacks and durability when sat upon, and when discussing display screens the area of the display alone is often much the largest factor in how small you can make the end device. This will still hold true even when we can simply spray a complete working TV on a bit of plastic sheeting.
KFG
My, we're a spunky little bag of pubescent testosterone today. . .
.and then talked about neatness, which your post mentioned as well.
.who needs to work on his reading compreshension.
. .
. .
KFG
I still want to know how my web-enabled toaster-controlling watch manages to physically put the bread in the toaster.
Don't be silly. It's obvious that that's beyond the capabilities of a watch or toaster.
Your web enabled bread box hands off to your web enabled Roomba which kicks a field goal from long yardage. The engineers are still working out some kinks with the whole "bagel thing" though.
None of this really matters, or course, because your Aibo steals the toast before you get home.
KFG
While you certainly raise some side issues that I have made some personal observations on (and which you might find addressed in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) if you go back and read my post again you might note that I very carefully crafted a specific example germane to the question I was addressing that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of neat vs. messy.
KFG
Now all they have to do is develop 6 inch tall people to use these display devices.
There's a reason the display is the largest part.
KFG
WHY?
So you can have a convenient WebTV based interface with which to interact with your toaster remotely from the mall, silly.
KFG
We did not "steal" this pluralization scheme, Anglish is a Germanic dialect, however, yes, when using "boxen" to refer to a computer it is such word play.
I agree though, and have posted a few times, that English is the most wonderful and expressive language for prose precisely because of its polyglot nature.
It's also what makes it such a royal bitch of a language, but you can't have everything.
KFG
Are we willing to change our lives radically (go back to 19th century living) in order to live longer?
In what way does not spraying your electronics gear with a fire retardant cause it to cease functioning?
(Not to mention that fact that statistics seem to show we live rather longer now than we did then)
KFG
. . . and several other organisations have confirmed PCBs damage the brains of human foetuses.
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By forming them into a hammer and then. .
KFG
pfft, why should you ever go back to hang up you're coat when you've thrown it in a perfectly good spot.
I haven't a clue, but people do.
KFG