You see? We're being conditioned to hate each other. You asked for an example of problems caused by free speech. I gave one. You responded by making an assumption about my political bent and challenging me to defend myself. Okay, fine. Daily Kos? Don't know, haven't read it. From what I've heard though, it's probably equally putrid. So how about Fox News and Daily Kos as my examples, does that make you feel better?
No, if you know of a case where free speech has caused problems, bring it up.
Fox News. A cesspit of hyperbole and exaggeration, biased to one side of the spectrum, which encourages active hatred of fellow Americans. Highly destructive.
I think the purpose of the GPL is to ensure that those that profit from your work also give back.
I think the above point is where the two sides of the debate tend to start talking past each other. If people profit from my work, fine. In fact, that's great. If I wanted that profit for myself, I would have licensed my code differently. The profit argument is like saying "But it could have been YOU raking in all that dough," as if I had a desire to rake in dough, or a desire to prevent others from doing so. I actually just don't care. This concept seems unfathomable to some people.
Honestly, I believe the putting-things-mouth thing is a myth, because I've never seen any kid older than a year actually do that, my kids and all their friends included. It's certainly not a built-in behavior once they are out of baby stage. I have noticed that cliques of parents tend to all see the same behaviors in their children. Amongst my clique, mouthing objects doesn't happen. To me, it's pretty strong evidence that the behavior is enabled by the parents somehow. Seriously, who lets a kid capable of speaking words to walk around like an idiot with non-food items in his mouth?
When you make a purchase on credit you just pay interest on an advance of a sum of money that's quite large compared to the interest.
Uh, home loans are not like that. Consult an amortization table sometime. You usually end up paying more interest than principle, in the end.
For instance, if you get a $250k loan at 6% for 30 years, you will pay a total of $540k over the life of the loan. That's $250k of principle and $290k of interest.
Suppose the house appreciates to $375k in 30 years. So the actual cost of living there was $165k, or about $460 per month. Is that a better deal than renting? Yeah, maybe, but it's not as big a difference as you make it seem.
Half the country pays no taxes. so yes, it's free as in beer. Go to the emergency room on any given day.. people in there with the sniffles while my daughter with a broken collar bone has to wait two hours.
Yes, health care is pretty messed up. If it weren't why would it be part of the protests? At any rate, why are you trying to pin this topic on OWS, anyway? Health care has been an issue since Obama came in office.
You got your diploma, what are you complaning about?
Sounds good, but how do you define "volume?" Peak decibels? RMS power of the signal? Average volume? Can I insert a few seconds of silence at the end to balance out a huge burst of noise at the beginning? Does frequency matter? Instead of using more volume, can I just shift my commercial up an octave to get around the restriction?
When the poor, homeless, addicted and destitute protest, their protests will be full of the poor, homeless, addicted and destitute. What you are noticing is that the people who are the worst off in society exhibit serious social problems. Yes, exactly. That's why we need to understand the source of these problems and fix them. So we don't have all that shit you mentioned.
The Tea Party didn't have that stuff because the Tea Party had nothing to do with real people.
Another group want someone else to pay thier student loans
What we want is to pay reasonable price for a reasonable service. There are two ways really to fix this problem: get education costs under control (they were NOT always this high, there is SOMETHING WRONG somewhere), or, get employers to stop demanding four year college educations for positions that clearly do not require that. If your choice is between $200k of debt and permanent unemployment, that's just a fucking crappy choice.
free healthcare
Sure, I guess you could call it "free healthcare" in the sense of "free interstate highways," i.e. I don't write a check for it, but I do pay for it through my taxes. I do not want free healthcare, I want healthcare that will be there when I need it (you know, so I don't die), and to pay a realistic price for that. Yes, that means everyone needs to pay into the system.
not willing to start at the bottom and work thier way up
That's what I did. I graduated school with about $60k of debt, which I repaid within two years by living at home and literally spending NO MONEY on ANYTHING. I got dinner and a roof over my head, other than that, I was on my own. I couldn't afford to see a movie or buy a beer. Once those two years of misery were over, then I moved out. Now it's ten years later and I'm making over $100k and the only debt I have is a mortgage (a mortgage on which I make significant overpayments). What made this possible was my mother throwing me a bone by letting me stay at home and pay off that debt. I would have been crippled by it if not. She made a sacrifice (really, the same sacrifice she'd already been making for twenty years) for me, and in exchange I became a very successful son who will be there for her when she's old. So you see, it's possible to get help from somebody even if you're "starting at the bottom."
I'm employed, married, self-reliant, and quite well off. And somehow the OWS movement resonates very strongly with me. They might be young, naive, and feel somewhat over-entitled but these are very real problems affecting millions of people. You can call them losers and parasites if you want, but I have a feeling they will not be going away for a LONG while.
Just because a woman may be attracted to a "bad boy" doesn't give him the right to abuse her or make it her fault that she is abused.
She doesn't deserve to be abused. TRUE.
He has no right to abuse people. TRUE.
She contributes to the situation she finds herself in. TRUE.
Quit blaming the people who hold a (extremely common, and IMHO, historically genetically advantageous) attraction for the clearly wrong actions of the perpetrator.
Ah, the "it's in my genetics" argument. Okay. It's in men's genetics to be aggressive dickwads. That justifies the behavior. Right?
No, the long-term solution involves freezing the 32-bit version as an eternal final-state "stable" branch, and moving on to the 64-bit world.
Hahaha! Uh, no.
1. The MSVC compiler is a 32-bit program. Sure, it can compile 64-bit code, but it is itself 32-bit, so using a 64-bit OS doesn't even help you. cl.exe is a 32-bit process. Always.
2. All of Windows is compiled with that compiler. ALL OF WINDOWS. That means there is NOTHING in Windows that requires this much VM in order to build. So Firefox is more bloated than ANY component within Windows.
Seriously, anybody with the slightest clue about how software works should realize that this is the symptom of some incredibly deep-rooted problems within the architecture of Firefox.
And if your life was any interest to anyone, there'd be people working a lot harder to penetrate your privacy.
You're trying to look at an elephant through a microscope. The danger isn't the violation of any one person's privacy. The danger is the emergence of a kind of "total information awareness," where inferences can be drawn on larger social scales. For instance, detecting when a protest is about to materialize, measuring the effectiveness of propaganda techniques, tracking politically unfavorable trends in conversations, etc.
I'm not in principle opposed to the ability to do that, but right now the ability is very one sided. Facebook (as well as any government who can order them to do things) has all the information. We don't.
My phone being voice activated and automatically coming through the speaker when it's docked in my car is zero distraction
There is a specific scenario where even a very small distraction can be amplified into a big turn of events -- the split second when a traffic light becomes yellow and you need to decide whether it is safer to stop or proceed through the intersection. If your phone rings at the instant you're making that determination I guarantee you'll screw up.
My wife's family is tri-lingual and they will sometimes incorporate all three languages into a single sentence. When I point out that they've done this, they claim they didn't notice they were doing it.
Yup. It should be part of your driving test - hold a conversation on a cell phone with one examiner while doing the test with another.
Why the hell should that be a requirement? Suppose I'm unable to pull that off, but I'm perfectly willing to not talk on the phone while driving. Too bad for me? To what degree do you extend this test? Can you drive while the passenger beats you in the head with a Coke bottle?
Switching contexts is computationally expensive for our brains, and is a lossy procedure. Any techie can tell you that constant interruptions cause bad code because you lose context and the "gestalt" of what you are doing.
While that is true, it does nothing to diminish the weirdness of this result. Walking from one place to another doesn't seem like much of a "change of context." Especially when your present location has utterly nothing to do with what you're trying to remember.
Simply punishing after the fact is great if you are talking about doing a lawn job and taking out a mailbox. Not so comforting if you are talking about killing someone.
I think it would be incredibly effective, actually. Punishment is not a very good deterrent to criminals, but people who talk on phones and drive are not criminals (at least from their perspective) and don't think like criminals. They are just people making bad decisions. If you tell a decent, mostly honest person they'll do life in prison if they injure someone while driving and talking on the phone, I'm pretty sure most people would decide not to risk it. It would only take one or two highly publicized instances of "34 year old mother of three (photo of pretty young lady shown in upper-right corner of screen) sentenced to life in prison for hitting child in parking lot while on cell phone" and it would simply cease happening.
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You see? We're being conditioned to hate each other. You asked for an example of problems caused by free speech. I gave one. You responded by making an assumption about my political bent and challenging me to defend myself. Okay, fine. Daily Kos? Don't know, haven't read it. From what I've heard though, it's probably equally putrid. So how about Fox News and Daily Kos as my examples, does that make you feel better?
No, if you know of a case where free speech has caused problems, bring it up.
Fox News. A cesspit of hyperbole and exaggeration, biased to one side of the spectrum, which encourages active hatred of fellow Americans. Highly destructive.
I think the purpose of the GPL is to ensure that those that profit from your work also give back.
I think the above point is where the two sides of the debate tend to start talking past each other. If people profit from my work, fine. In fact, that's great. If I wanted that profit for myself, I would have licensed my code differently. The profit argument is like saying "But it could have been YOU raking in all that dough," as if I had a desire to rake in dough, or a desire to prevent others from doing so. I actually just don't care. This concept seems unfathomable to some people.
Honestly, I believe the putting-things-mouth thing is a myth, because I've never seen any kid older than a year actually do that, my kids and all their friends included. It's certainly not a built-in behavior once they are out of baby stage. I have noticed that cliques of parents tend to all see the same behaviors in their children. Amongst my clique, mouthing objects doesn't happen. To me, it's pretty strong evidence that the behavior is enabled by the parents somehow. Seriously, who lets a kid capable of speaking words to walk around like an idiot with non-food items in his mouth?
When you make a purchase on credit you just pay interest on an advance of a sum of money that's quite large compared to the interest.
Uh, home loans are not like that. Consult an amortization table sometime. You usually end up paying more interest than principle, in the end.
For instance, if you get a $250k loan at 6% for 30 years, you will pay a total of $540k over the life of the loan. That's $250k of principle and $290k of interest.
Suppose the house appreciates to $375k in 30 years. So the actual cost of living there was $165k, or about $460 per month. Is that a better deal than renting? Yeah, maybe, but it's not as big a difference as you make it seem.
Half the country pays no taxes. so yes, it's free as in beer. Go to the emergency room on any given day.. people in there with the sniffles while my daughter with a broken collar bone has to wait two hours.
Yes, health care is pretty messed up. If it weren't why would it be part of the protests? At any rate, why are you trying to pin this topic on OWS, anyway? Health care has been an issue since Obama came in office.
You got your diploma, what are you complaning about?
Nothing. I think you missed my point.
Sounds good, but how do you define "volume?" Peak decibels? RMS power of the signal? Average volume? Can I insert a few seconds of silence at the end to balance out a huge burst of noise at the beginning? Does frequency matter? Instead of using more volume, can I just shift my commercial up an octave to get around the restriction?
You SHOULD be able to deal with those distractions in order to be allowed to drive.
Bullshit. I do deal with the distraction of cell phone while driving. I deal with it by turning the fucking phone to silent.
When the poor, homeless, addicted and destitute protest, their protests will be full of the poor, homeless, addicted and destitute. What you are noticing is that the people who are the worst off in society exhibit serious social problems. Yes, exactly. That's why we need to understand the source of these problems and fix them. So we don't have all that shit you mentioned.
The Tea Party didn't have that stuff because the Tea Party had nothing to do with real people.
Another group want someone else to pay thier student loans
What we want is to pay reasonable price for a reasonable service. There are two ways really to fix this problem: get education costs under control (they were NOT always this high, there is SOMETHING WRONG somewhere), or, get employers to stop demanding four year college educations for positions that clearly do not require that. If your choice is between $200k of debt and permanent unemployment, that's just a fucking crappy choice.
free healthcare
Sure, I guess you could call it "free healthcare" in the sense of "free interstate highways," i.e. I don't write a check for it, but I do pay for it through my taxes. I do not want free healthcare, I want healthcare that will be there when I need it (you know, so I don't die), and to pay a realistic price for that. Yes, that means everyone needs to pay into the system.
not willing to start at the bottom and work thier way up
That's what I did. I graduated school with about $60k of debt, which I repaid within two years by living at home and literally spending NO MONEY on ANYTHING. I got dinner and a roof over my head, other than that, I was on my own. I couldn't afford to see a movie or buy a beer. Once those two years of misery were over, then I moved out. Now it's ten years later and I'm making over $100k and the only debt I have is a mortgage (a mortgage on which I make significant overpayments). What made this possible was my mother throwing me a bone by letting me stay at home and pay off that debt. I would have been crippled by it if not. She made a sacrifice (really, the same sacrifice she'd already been making for twenty years) for me, and in exchange I became a very successful son who will be there for her when she's old. So you see, it's possible to get help from somebody even if you're "starting at the bottom."
I'm employed, married, self-reliant, and quite well off. And somehow the OWS movement resonates very strongly with me. They might be young, naive, and feel somewhat over-entitled but these are very real problems affecting millions of people. You can call them losers and parasites if you want, but I have a feeling they will not be going away for a LONG while.
Just because a woman may be attracted to a "bad boy" doesn't give him the right to abuse her or make it her fault that she is abused.
She doesn't deserve to be abused. TRUE.
He has no right to abuse people. TRUE.
She contributes to the situation she finds herself in. TRUE.
Quit blaming the people who hold a (extremely common, and IMHO, historically genetically advantageous) attraction for the clearly wrong actions of the perpetrator.
Ah, the "it's in my genetics" argument. Okay. It's in men's genetics to be aggressive dickwads. That justifies the behavior. Right?
No, the long-term solution involves freezing the 32-bit version as an eternal final-state "stable" branch, and moving on to the 64-bit world.
Hahaha! Uh, no.
1. The MSVC compiler is a 32-bit program. Sure, it can compile 64-bit code, but it is itself 32-bit, so using a 64-bit OS doesn't even help you. cl.exe is a 32-bit process. Always.
2. All of Windows is compiled with that compiler. ALL OF WINDOWS. That means there is NOTHING in Windows that requires this much VM in order to build. So Firefox is more bloated than ANY component within Windows.
Seriously, anybody with the slightest clue about how software works should realize that this is the symptom of some incredibly deep-rooted problems within the architecture of Firefox.
And if your life was any interest to anyone, there'd be people working a lot harder to penetrate your privacy.
You're trying to look at an elephant through a microscope. The danger isn't the violation of any one person's privacy. The danger is the emergence of a kind of "total information awareness," where inferences can be drawn on larger social scales. For instance, detecting when a protest is about to materialize, measuring the effectiveness of propaganda techniques, tracking politically unfavorable trends in conversations, etc.
I'm not in principle opposed to the ability to do that, but right now the ability is very one sided. Facebook (as well as any government who can order them to do things) has all the information. We don't.
My phone being voice activated and automatically coming through the speaker when it's docked in my car is zero distraction
There is a specific scenario where even a very small distraction can be amplified into a big turn of events -- the split second when a traffic light becomes yellow and you need to decide whether it is safer to stop or proceed through the intersection. If your phone rings at the instant you're making that determination I guarantee you'll screw up.
My wife's family is tri-lingual and they will sometimes incorporate all three languages into a single sentence. When I point out that they've done this, they claim they didn't notice they were doing it.
I didn't say I don't believe the result, just that it's a weird result.
Yup. It should be part of your driving test - hold a conversation on a cell phone with one examiner while doing the test with another.
Why the hell should that be a requirement? Suppose I'm unable to pull that off, but I'm perfectly willing to not talk on the phone while driving. Too bad for me? To what degree do you extend this test? Can you drive while the passenger beats you in the head with a Coke bottle?
Really? You think walking through a door is a mentally taxing procedure?
Switching contexts is computationally expensive for our brains, and is a lossy procedure. Any techie can tell you that constant interruptions cause bad code because you lose context and the "gestalt" of what you are doing.
While that is true, it does nothing to diminish the weirdness of this result. Walking from one place to another doesn't seem like much of a "change of context." Especially when your present location has utterly nothing to do with what you're trying to remember.
Simply punishing after the fact is great if you are talking about doing a lawn job and taking out a mailbox. Not so comforting if you are talking about killing someone.
I think it would be incredibly effective, actually. Punishment is not a very good deterrent to criminals, but people who talk on phones and drive are not criminals (at least from their perspective) and don't think like criminals. They are just people making bad decisions. If you tell a decent, mostly honest person they'll do life in prison if they injure someone while driving and talking on the phone, I'm pretty sure most people would decide not to risk it. It would only take one or two highly publicized instances of "34 year old mother of three (photo of pretty young lady shown in upper-right corner of screen) sentenced to life in prison for hitting child in parking lot while on cell phone" and it would simply cease happening.
The USA is a fine place to live ... they'll even let you leave if you don't like it.
Why do people say this ridiculous shit? As if it's not permissible in America to point out a problem, criticize the government, or ask for change?
"Love it or leave it." One of the most despicable turns of phrase of the modern American nationalist.
OMG! The government is saving the taxpayers money by using a drone instead of a helicopter!
Funny, but the reduction in cost won't be used to save taxpayer money, it'll be used to fly more flights for the same budget.
And that matters to you and me. It only matters to a corporation when it starts to affect their bottom line.
Motive is hard to fathom, it's a dangerous can of worms. If we can get corporations to behave properly, who cares why they do?
Now now, I understand that using paragraph tags to delineate paragraphs is clearly crazy, but you need to maintain your composure.
Can somebody PLEASE explain what the fuck is with grown men watching My Little Pony?