If the customers really want free supported OS upgrades over other criteria, the first manufacturer that promises and implements it will get customers. Market forces will solve this issue. No need for Google to intervene
<BadCarAnalogy> cars do basically the same thing as they did 70 years ago. Take you from point A to B within a particular amount of time.
Have they improved ? Yes </BadCarAnalogy>
Same with software. Browsing isn't just browsing anymore. It's assisted browsing. Spreadsheets isn't just spreadsheets, it's collaborative spreadsheets backed up in the cloud.
Re:It's not that Flash in particular is a right...
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I thought that Apple was putting a restriction on the result: you shouldn't provide a code interpreter. The flash player is one. Done. And their reasons for that are (officially) technical: we want to control the apps/os stack to better control system efficiency, response time, context switching, etc... I don't say I agree fully with the agreement, but why not ?
* "[...] indicates that Opera is becoming less and less of a problem overall."
Opera has fixed their issues, people have to upgrade. That's all.
* "These numbers and graphs show my idea of an ideal situation, where all Opera users have upgraded to 10.50 or later, and all Mac OS X users have installed a (currently nonexistent) patch that solves the RFC1918/6to4 preference problem. The client loss number is very close to 0% at this point[...] Any remaining problems is really hard to distinguish from statistical noise at this point. "
Mac OS X fix isn't out yet. "I've reported the issue to Apple, and have received confirmation that their engineers are aware of it."
You could also say that a person who isn't good at her work is maybe not a food salesman neither and end up being not useful and earn less.
> 1. If someone is doing it for the money, he is > spending his time in finding ways how to make > money as opposed to spending time to improve his > skill in the particular area. Thus all other > being equal he will get more money.
I would invest in a salesman whose job would be to find me the most rewarding job (skills and money) while I could focus on getting better skills. Having a monetary objective doesn't mean you can't be smart nor like what you do.
> 2. You don't have to pay people who have > intrinsic motivation to do something as much as > you need to pay people for whom the money are > the motivation. Sadly, that's economics 101.
And maybe the person is using is current skills to build a capital so that he can then make a career move in a way that will be more beneficial to the society altogether, maybe working for free later on. Don't forget the full picture.
And you also forgot the type of jobs whose salary is kind of related to the performance (I am not going to talk about traders here, but for example, waiters).
You're shifting the problem from the size costs to the fact that you want a web mostly without javascript. NoScript is (to me) mostly about security and reducing XSS attacks.
So you know that if you enable noscript on a site, the external JS files aren't even downloaded ? So when it comes to bandwidth, where is the damn problem?
Second as I said earlier, the file will be downloaded *once* and will probably help you to download less data later on (that might in fact help you to speed up your browsing and reduce your bandwidth usage ? ('Ajax' less code will typically make you load full pages, e.g. slashdot comment page is about 8k, which you save if you use javascript, as the form will be inlined, etc).
So JS, well used, can make you SAVE bandwidth and make the site more useful. Why complain about downloading *once* 24k of data (compressed) that makes you save bandwidth ?
If you decide to not use javascript because you don't trust it, it's your decision but it's a different argument. Let's title the thread differently then. And if you don't trust the JS code that comes from a site, then why do you use that site ? Can you give us an example of a site you use with javascript disabled and why ? I am just curious.
You mean that you it's a problem to 72k to a page to write javascript code that will turn your static web page into a dynamic one, making your site much more usable ? How big is an image already ?
Don't forget as well that by placing this piece of code outside the page, it be be cached for a long time, not to be re-downloaded for a while. It's more or less a one time cost if your browser and web application are properly configured.
(or course you can develop in JS without jquery, but it takes more time, more code, and without a JS framework you're going to have a lot of boiler plate code).
> If your iPad was confiscated by customs officials > atBen-Gurion International Airport, you can now > pick it up
Questions:
* did that affect people travelling to Israel as tourists or just locals returning home with a product from overseas who declared it at customs ? * if you were a tourist, was your iPad returned when you left the country ? * if not, do you have to go back to Israel to get it returned or can they ship it to you ?
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To me, gay and other sexual behaviors are easily explainable by life itself. There's (almost never) pure 0 and 1 in nature, especially as soon as one start aggregating low level molecules. There's always a wide range of options in between. This yields for both a microscopic physical level as well as macroscopic ones and everything in between. Thus the wide range of sexual _behaviors_.
Note: that's my reasoning and I don't ask anyone to agree with it.
Because drivers become tied to the new model and can't be accepted upstream ?
Because Google's clients are asking for help to get their code included (they don't want to maintain it all the time, yet can't get it past the door the first time).
> Lets be honest here though, all the code is in GPL so whats stopping someone else from doing the work?
time ? cost ?
If your brother destroys the family jigsaw puzzle, are you just going to step and do it again, or are you going to ask him to fix it ?
One thing I don't understand is that chosing Linux is to implicitly acknowledge that the Linux development model works.
And the Linux development model is about working with the community and getting things accepted upstream. Sure you can maintain a fork, but that's typically not done and considered not optimum.
And when you see now that your downstream clients are asking help from the Linux community to get their things accepted, there's clearly a problem.
So now, I really hope that if one day Google finds that their approach wasn't the best one, that they do a retrospective / 5 why's / whatever session and find out that maybe they should have had a different interaction with the community.
Getting things to market is important. Getting it with too much code clutter may not be the best thing in the long run.
I personally don't have the need for it. On my setups the programs I install all have their.desktop with them. I.e. the package of the program comes with the menu.
What are you trying to achieve exactly ? which programs are missing in your menus ?
Maybe you're trying to do something that comes from your Windows experience, and thus should be doing in a different way on a Linux system ?
Some of the main reasons I use gmail in the browser. May not be applicable to you.
* one less application to run and my resources are limited on the machine * I have integrated chat. One less application to run as well (I seldom use other protocols) * I can switch apps very easily with alt+1 as gmail is always in my first tab * search is faster than in the thunderbird version * I have the same browser experience no matter where I am. I.e. if I am using someone else's computer, I have the same interface. If I was using a mail client, I would have to switch to the browser once in a while anyway. * the browser starts faster than thunderbird, and new mail arrives faster.
I still fire thunderbird once in a while to backup the messages and access email by IMAP when web service is down, not that often for me.
* number of available seats in the country per year * average cinema fill rate per year * number of people owning a home cinema * average salary * average amount of money spent by people on fun activities (movies, games, internet, phone) per year * average age of people going to the movie
there are so many factors.
Here are some questions to ask yourselves:
* do people have more or less money available to use on movies ? * do people use their money differently because of other more meaningful activities (games, communications) ? * do people prefer to rent by a DVD/blueray and watch it home with friends and a beer instead of going to the movie ? (cheaper, friendlier)
Slashdot Mirror
Basically pay us and shut up. That's really extortion.
perhaps the people who want to see the hurt locker, prefer to see it at home than at the theater ?
If the customers really want free supported OS upgrades over other criteria, the first manufacturer that promises and implements it will get customers. Market forces will solve this issue. No need for Google to intervene
One thing I want to see is video chat in gmail. With WebM, maybe it will be there soon ?
<BadCarAnalogy>
cars do basically the same thing as they did 70 years ago. Take you from point A
to B within a particular amount of time.
Have they improved ? Yes
</BadCarAnalogy>
Same with software. Browsing isn't just browsing anymore. It's assisted browsing. Spreadsheets isn't just spreadsheets, it's collaborative spreadsheets backed up in the cloud.
I thought that Apple was putting a restriction on the result: you shouldn't provide a code interpreter. The flash player is one. Done. And their reasons for that are (officially) technical: we want to control the apps/os stack to better control system efficiency, response time, context switching, etc... I don't say I agree fully with the agreement, but why not ?
Because:
* "[...] indicates that Opera is becoming less and less of a problem overall."
Opera has fixed their issues, people have to upgrade. That's all.
* "These numbers and graphs show my idea of an ideal situation, where all Opera users have upgraded to 10.50 or later, and all Mac OS X users have installed a (currently nonexistent) patch that solves the RFC1918/6to4 preference problem. The client loss number is very close to 0% at this point[...] Any remaining problems is really hard to distinguish from statistical noise at this point. "
Mac OS X fix isn't out yet. "I've reported the issue to Apple, and have received confirmation that their engineers are aware of it."
I don't like generalizations...
You could also say that a person who isn't good at her work is maybe not a food salesman neither and end up being not useful and earn less.
> 1. If someone is doing it for the money, he is
> spending his time in finding ways how to make
> money as opposed to spending time to improve his
> skill in the particular area. Thus all other
> being equal he will get more money.
I would invest in a salesman whose job would be to find me the most rewarding job (skills and money) while I could focus on getting better skills. Having a monetary objective doesn't mean you can't be smart nor like what you do.
> 2. You don't have to pay people who have
> intrinsic motivation to do something as much as
> you need to pay people for whom the money are
> the motivation. Sadly, that's economics 101.
And maybe the person is using is current skills to build a capital so that he can then make a career move in a way that will be more beneficial to the society altogether, maybe working for free later on. Don't forget the full picture.
And you also forgot the type of jobs whose salary is kind of related to the performance (I am not going to talk about traders here, but for example, waiters).
You're shifting the problem from the size costs to the fact that you want a web mostly without javascript. NoScript is (to me) mostly about security and reducing XSS attacks.
So you know that if you enable noscript on a site, the external JS files aren't even downloaded ? So when it comes to bandwidth, where is the damn problem?
Second as I said earlier, the file will be downloaded *once* and will probably help you to download less data later on (that might in fact help you to speed up your browsing and reduce your bandwidth usage ? ('Ajax' less code will typically make you load full pages, e.g. slashdot comment page is about 8k, which you save if you use javascript, as the form will be inlined, etc).
So JS, well used, can make you SAVE bandwidth and make the site more useful. Why complain about downloading *once* 24k of data (compressed) that makes you save bandwidth ?
If you decide to not use javascript because you don't trust it, it's your decision but it's a different argument. Let's title the thread differently then. And if you don't trust the JS code that comes from a site, then why do you use that site ? Can you give us an example of a site you use with javascript disabled and why ? I am just curious.
You mean that you it's a problem to 72k to a page to write javascript code that will turn your static web page into a dynamic one, making your site much more usable ? How big is an image already ?
Don't forget as well that by placing this piece of code outside the page, it be be cached for a long time, not to be re-downloaded for a while. It's more or less a one time cost if your browser and web application are properly configured.
(or course you can develop in JS without jquery, but it takes more time, more code, and without a JS framework you're going to have a lot of boiler plate code).
> If your iPad was confiscated by customs officials
> atBen-Gurion International Airport, you can now
> pick it up
Questions:
* did that affect people travelling to Israel as tourists or just locals returning home with a product from overseas who declared it at customs ?
* if you were a tourist, was your iPad returned when you left the country ?
* if not, do you have to go back to Israel to get it returned or can they ship it to you ?
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You are both right.
There are multiple Java.
Android uses the Java language, not the Java APIs/SDKs, nor the Java execution environment.
offtopic...
To me, gay and other sexual behaviors are easily explainable by life itself. There's (almost never) pure 0 and 1 in nature, especially as soon as one start aggregating low level molecules. There's always a wide range of options in between. This yields for both a microscopic physical level as well as macroscopic ones and everything in between. Thus the wide range of sexual _behaviors_.
Note: that's my reasoning and I don't ask anyone to agree with it.
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Because drivers become tied to the new model and can't be accepted upstream ?
Because Google's clients are asking for help to get their code included (they don't want to maintain it all the time, yet can't get it past the door the first time).
> Lets be honest here though, all the code is in GPL so whats stopping someone else from doing the work?
time ? cost ?
If your brother destroys the family jigsaw puzzle, are you just going to step and do it again, or are you going to ask him to fix it ?
One thing I don't understand is that chosing Linux is to implicitly acknowledge that the Linux development model works.
And the Linux development model is about working with the community and getting things accepted upstream. Sure you can maintain a fork, but that's typically not done and considered not optimum.
And when you see now that your downstream clients are asking help from the Linux community to get their things accepted, there's clearly a problem.
So now, I really hope that if one day Google finds that their approach wasn't the best one, that they do a retrospective / 5 why's / whatever session and find out that maybe they should have had a different interaction with the community.
Getting things to market is important. Getting it with too much code clutter may not be the best thing in the long run.
Don't you think that new books are directly converted into digital, instead of being printed and OCRed ?
Where are the costs ? Some trillion computer cycles ?
What about implementing an emergency fuel stop ?
Something that stops gaz or oxygen to enter the engine.
Something that is very simple, limited to one function and hopefully as fail safe as possible.
> I had to type text paths to set up folder shortcuts on the desktops
with the mouse, it works the same as on Windows: click the folder + CTRL+SHIFT drag it on the desktop. Rename it if you need later on.
Or right click, Make link, move/rename it.
Contextual menu is there to help, in most case.
> Setting up a place for common desktop items, equivalent to Windows "all users", was a bear.
There doesn't seem to be a GUI for it.
http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-2.html.en
I personally don't have the need for it. On my setups the programs I install all have their .desktop with them. I.e. the package of the program comes with the menu.
What are you trying to achieve exactly ? which programs are missing in your menus ?
Maybe you're trying to do something that comes from your Windows experience, and thus should be doing in a different way on a Linux system ?
Exactly
Some of the main reasons I use gmail in the browser. May not be applicable to you.
* one less application to run and my resources are limited on the machine
* I have integrated chat. One less application to run as well (I seldom use other protocols)
* I can switch apps very easily with alt+1 as gmail is always in my first tab
* search is faster than in the thunderbird version
* I have the same browser experience no matter where I am. I.e. if I am using someone else's computer, I have the same interface. If I was using a mail client, I would have to switch to the browser once in a while anyway.
* the browser starts faster than thunderbird, and new mail arrives faster.
I still fire thunderbird once in a while to backup the messages and access email by IMAP when web service is down, not that often for me.
In an open-source solution, you can download the source, read it, modify it and recompile it.
- if (playBackAuthorized()) // if (playBackAuthorized())
+
play();
In a true Free Software solution, you can even redistribute binaries.
No need to patch bytes ;)
Unlocked phones exist. At least in Europe. You can just enter a shop and buy a phone without subscription.
Not sure where you guys are living.
I would like more information:
* number of available seats in the country per year
* average cinema fill rate per year
* number of people owning a home cinema
* average salary
* average amount of money spent by people on fun activities (movies, games, internet, phone) per year
* average age of people going to the movie
there are so many factors.
Here are some questions to ask yourselves:
* do people have more or less money available to use on movies ?
* do people use their money differently because of other more meaningful activities (games, communications) ?
* do people prefer to rent by a DVD/blueray and watch it home with friends and a beer instead of going to the movie ? (cheaper, friendlier)
Sure piracy has some effect. But everything ?