GNOME's sole existence is to outmarket KDE. It was started from day one with this purpose.
That is absolutely incorrect. Gnome's purpose is to deliver an outstanding, free desktop and developent environment and applications for all purposes. Not only is it not Gnome's sole purpose to outmarket KDE, it isn't even in the agenda list. ----
I think you are getting the Gnome Foundations advisory board mixed up with the voting members of the Gnome Foundation. The members of the Gnome Foundation are those who are involved in the Gnome project. Anyone who is involved in the Gnome Project can be a member. In other words, the people involved in the Gnome Project decide what direction the project goes in. ----
You don't have to pay for the online storage or software catalogue, at least not at this time. It's a free service at this point. I've already signed up and am using it. I haven't and won't pay a dime. ----
Konqueror is very good. I have played around with it. However, I personally think that Nautilus' architecture is better. If you've never looked closely at the architecture, tak e a peek. Also, in terms of aesthetics, Nautilus does some really sweet things, like the music views, package views, mouse-over sound playing when in icon view, preview of text in icons, zooming in and out, transparent rubber-banded box for icon selection, emblems for icons, notes for any item in the world. Very impressive. ----
ooohh..now that was a well-thought reply. actually my reasons for choosing that example have nothing to do with me personally but rather a friend of mine who recently told me she was raped as a child. it has affected her profoundly and weighs very heavily on my mind. ----
That's like saying, raping small children should be legal: Against it? Don't do it. Very, very poor reasoning. The original poster isn't just against it for himself; he is against it absolutely. Where do we draw the line? Do we draw it at what the majority of society says? That seems awfully arbitrary. ----
I apologize for my ignorance. Last I heard there were no filters for import or export of word or excel formats. I stand corrected. Incidentally, my post was not moderated up, but down. It began as a two and was marked -1 for "reduncant.":) ----
Most users are going to need the common Microsoft format import and export filters. KOffice does not yet support them. It may be good at what it does, but it doesn't read or write word or excel docs. For the time being, that just isn't good enough--people need word and excell filters. It's the sad truth. ----
I don't think you understood my question. Yes, X is a rather bloated protocol and somewhat clunky, but that's not the problem with mozilla. I have a very fast machine, video card, and X server. I run dozens of X applications daily, including Gnome and KDE apps that are blazingly fast in terms of responsiveness. What I'm wondering is if anything will be done to improve mozilla's responsiveness under X. ----
I've been downloading the nightlies every day at work for my Windows 2000 machine. I'm very impressed and M18 is excellent. The speed and stability has come a long way. The builds for Linux have also come a long way.
One thing really disturbs me, however. The performance under Linux on a comparable machine is substantially worse than on Windows. I'm primarily refering to the responsiveness of the widgets. The menus are sluggish under Linux where they are blazingly fast at updating on Windows. Opening the sidebar is quick and speedy under Windows but under Linux it's slow and ugly.
I'm not posting this in order to bash anyone or the project in general. I'm wondering if anyone has some feedback on the reason for this. Has there not been as much work at improving performance on Linux as there has been for Windows? Will this improve in the future? ----
I must commend KDE for not only putting out a terrific product, but in staying free of big-money influences. While Miguel de Icaza wallows in his corporate GNOME Foundation and does everything in his power to turn GNOME into Windows Linux Edition, KDE continues to be volunteer-designed, volunteer-coded, and volunteer-driven.
I think you're slightly out of touch with what drives the Gnome project and what the foundation is based on. I suggest you go to The Gnome Foundation site and browse. In particular, read the mission and charter. The Gnome Foundation is not driven by "big-money influences" in the sense you are implying. I'll also mention that Gnome also relies heavily on its volunteers, of which I am one. There are those who are paid for hacking on Gnome (what on earth is wrong with that? sounds like a dream job to me...do something you love and get paid for it!). Most of those hackers started out as unpaid volunteers working because they love what they do. Now they have the opportunity to devote much more time to the project because their income comes from doing what they love to do--promote, hack, design in the Gnome world. As for the corporate backing which you so heavily criticize, I fail to see the reason it is a bad thing. Again I suggest you read the charter so you fully understand the role that companies such as Sun, HP, IBM and others will play. The Gnome Foundation Elections are coming up, so register now if you've contributed in any way to Gnome (advocacy, documentation, code, debugging, artwork, etc.) Cheerio! ----
Yes, but it seems to me there should never be a release candidate that is labeled "final." It just doesn't make sense. The whole point of a release candidate is that you think it's ready but aren't sure. If the release candidate is pounded on and turns up no showstoppers then you release the actual release which isn't a "candidate" at all. ----
There already was a Netscape 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0. There wasn't a 5.0. They just skipped that generation. Really, the source code which they were going to release as Netscape 5.0 mostly got scrapped and everything was rewritten. At least that's my limited understanding of it all. ----
GNOME is indeed very object oriented. What do you think the 'O' stands for in GNOME? I get very tired of people claiming that you cannot do OOP in C. It is just completely false. ----
KDE tried CORBA. It was bloated and slow. Kind of like GNOME itself. You really should work in marketing though:
"Everyone else (for whom I can name absolutely zero examples) is invested in CORBA, so KDE needs to be using that just for
the buzzword too!"
I'll agree that we don't need to add more buzzword-technology to our environment for the sake of having our press releases be full of buzzwords. However, your statement about CORBA being bloated and slow is misinformed. ORBit is an extraordinarily lightweight, speedy implementation. Bud Tribble addressed this in his recent interview at lwn.net.
For more information about ORBit, you can also visit the ORBit page at RHAD.
The first book of the trilogy is "Out of the Silent Planet." The Silent Planet is Earth. Or at least what the Malacandrans refer to earth as. They call Earth "The Silent Planet" because its ruling eldila have become rebellious against Maleldil, the governing Spirit of the universe, who Ransom presumes to be the same as Jesus. Mars, incidentally, is Malacandra. ----
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That is absolutely incorrect. Gnome's purpose is to deliver an outstanding, free desktop and developent environment and applications for all purposes. Not only is it not Gnome's sole purpose to outmarket KDE, it isn't even in the agenda list.
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I think you are getting the Gnome Foundations advisory board mixed up with the voting members of the Gnome Foundation. The members of the Gnome Foundation are those who are involved in the Gnome project. Anyone who is involved in the Gnome Project can be a member. In other words, the people involved in the Gnome Project decide what direction the project goes in.
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You don't have to pay for the online storage or software catalogue, at least not at this time. It's a free service at this point. I've already signed up and am using it. I haven't and won't pay a dime.
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Konqueror is very good. I have played around with it. However, I personally think that Nautilus' architecture is better. If you've never looked closely at the architecture, tak e a peek. Also, in terms of aesthetics, Nautilus does some really sweet things, like the music views, package views, mouse-over sound playing when in icon view, preview of text in icons, zooming in and out, transparent rubber-banded box for icon selection, emblems for icons, notes for any item in the world. Very impressive.
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ooohh..now that was a well-thought reply. actually my reasons for choosing that example have nothing to do with me personally but rather a friend of mine who recently told me she was raped as a child. it has affected her profoundly and weighs very heavily on my mind.
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your logic is very flawed. you can use your same argument to say that, if you do not want to rape a child, then don't. it is no different.
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Read the preface to the article here
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That's like saying, raping small children should be legal: Against it? Don't do it. Very, very poor reasoning. The original poster isn't just against it for himself; he is against it absolutely. Where do we draw the line? Do we draw it at what the majority of society says? That seems awfully arbitrary.
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I apologize for my ignorance. Last I heard there were no filters for import or export of word or excel formats. I stand corrected. Incidentally, my post was not moderated up, but down. It began as a two and was marked -1 for "reduncant." :)
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Most users are going to need the common Microsoft format import and export filters. KOffice does not yet support them. It may be good at what it does, but it doesn't read or write word or excel docs. For the time being, that just isn't good enough--people need word and excell filters. It's the sad truth.
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I don't think you understood my question. Yes, X is a rather bloated protocol and somewhat clunky, but that's not the problem with mozilla. I have a very fast machine, video card, and X server. I run dozens of X applications daily, including Gnome and KDE apps that are blazingly fast in terms of responsiveness. What I'm wondering is if anything will be done to improve mozilla's responsiveness under X.
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One thing really disturbs me, however. The performance under Linux on a comparable machine is substantially worse than on Windows. I'm primarily refering to the responsiveness of the widgets. The menus are sluggish under Linux where they are blazingly fast at updating on Windows. Opening the sidebar is quick and speedy under Windows but under Linux it's slow and ugly.
I'm not posting this in order to bash anyone or the project in general. I'm wondering if anyone has some feedback on the reason for this. Has there not been as much work at improving performance on Linux as there has been for Windows? Will this improve in the future?
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I think you're slightly out of touch with what drives the Gnome project and what the foundation is based on. I suggest you go to The Gnome Foundation site and browse. In particular, read the mission and charter. The Gnome Foundation is not driven by "big-money influences" in the sense you are implying. I'll also mention that Gnome also relies heavily on its volunteers, of which I am one. There are those who are paid for hacking on Gnome (what on earth is wrong with that? sounds like a dream job to me...do something you love and get paid for it!). Most of those hackers started out as unpaid volunteers working because they love what they do. Now they have the opportunity to devote much more time to the project because their income comes from doing what they love to do--promote, hack, design in the Gnome world. As for the corporate backing which you so heavily criticize, I fail to see the reason it is a bad thing. Again I suggest you read the charter so you fully understand the role that companies such as Sun, HP, IBM and others will play. The Gnome Foundation Elections are coming up, so register now if you've contributed in any way to Gnome (advocacy, documentation, code, debugging, artwork, etc.) Cheerio!
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Yes, but it seems to me there should never be a release candidate that is labeled "final." It just doesn't make sense. The whole point of a release candidate is that you think it's ready but aren't sure. If the release candidate is pounded on and turns up no showstoppers then you release the actual release which isn't a "candidate" at all.
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A Response to Microsoft on Linux Myths.
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Corel, GPL WordPerfect now.
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There already was a Netscape 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0. There wasn't a 5.0. They just skipped that generation. Really, the source code which they were going to release as Netscape 5.0 mostly got scrapped and everything was rewritten. At least that's my limited understanding of it all.
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Yeah, they're porting it to XUL.
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Or how about a binary incremental (patch) upgrade? I know that's not easy, but it would be really nice.
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since when is http://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2 .0Beta5/ an ftp link? Notice the "http" designating the URL type.
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Yes. That's where CORBA fits in. CORBA is basically an object oriented RPC (Remote Procedure Call) specification.
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Network. What's your point? I fail to see your argument.
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GNOME is indeed very object oriented. What do you think the 'O' stands for in GNOME? I get very tired of people claiming that you cannot do OOP in C. It is just completely false.
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I'll agree that we don't need to add more buzzword-technology to our environment for the sake of having our press releases be full of buzzwords. However, your statement about CORBA being bloated and slow is misinformed. ORBit is an extraordinarily lightweight, speedy implementation. Bud Tribble addressed this in his recent interview at lwn.net.
For more information about ORBit, you can also visit the ORBit page at RHAD.
In addition, check out the CORBA for Beginners page at OMG.
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The first book of the trilogy is "Out of the Silent Planet." The Silent Planet is Earth. Or at least what the Malacandrans refer to earth as. They call Earth "The Silent Planet" because its ruling eldila have become rebellious against Maleldil, the governing Spirit of the universe, who Ransom presumes to be the same as Jesus. Mars, incidentally, is Malacandra.
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