they are only targetting PC makers that have agreed to only sell PCs with their OS on them, then they have a legal, though morally questionable, right to do this. However, it seems they are targetting all PC makers.
Right now, this is basically just marketing, but if they actually take action against computer makers who sell "naked" PCs, such as refusing to license the Windows OS to them because of it, they run the risk of once again being brought up on charges of monpolistic practices.
To say that a PC sold without an OS will undoubtedly be used to pirate Windows is an absurd stance, and so forcing PC makers to sell PCs with Windows pre-installed in order to avoid such piracy is not valid. If Microsoft presses the issue too hard, they're going to end up making their lawyers very happy once again.
I remember reading that the Windows OEM agreement required builders to sell PC with "an operating system". The justice department is OK with this as a restriction on the OEM agreement so it's not going to change.
Dell and Gateway comply with this agreement for "naked" PCs by including http://www.freedos.org/ with the PCs. The work-around on this is simple as thowing a $0.50 CD-R in the box with the PC.
From what I could tell, the CentOS developer only inflammed issues by writing "I feel sorry for your city" to preface his email. Instead of exchanging hot emails to each other, perhaps everyone would have saved a lot of time by exchanging a couple of friendly phone calls.
Several things wrong with that... 1. I believe the was really being sincere about "I feel sorry for your city" in reference to the website being down. 2. The initial e-mail was rather inflamitory & abusive 3. No contact information other than e-mail was given by Mr Taylor.
1) Floating point performance wars - Before AMD came out with the K6 processor, Intel had the floating point crown and neither AMD nor Cyrix could compete. Although AMD and Cyrix had inexpensive intel-compatible processors, most people used their cpu's for low-end desktops.
The K6, K6-2 and K6-3 (mostly laptop) processors all really sucked badly in the FPU area, integer wise they were better than similarly clocked PII parts. The K7 (Athlon) was the first AMD processor to trounce Intel in the FPU arena. I still have quite a few K6 & K6-2 based desktops at work that work well enough for office apps.
2) That all changed when AMD released the K6 processor with an excellent floating point unit. Then the war became a Mhz slugfest between AMD and Intel in which Cyrix was marginalized. Intel reached the 1000Mhz mark first with the P3 but AMD wasn't far behind with the Athlon.
Well you could go into the stores and buy 1Ghz Athlons (K7) processor based systems months before you could buy 1Ghz PIII based systems. The 1Ghz PIII was pretty much just a paper announcement to combat AMD similar to the (crippled) Intel Dual Core announcement just to say they were first.
With all the talk about AMD not yet on 65nm it would seem AMD is still, not just competitive, but ahead of Intel in low-power CPUs, and performance. (It seems like nobody is talking about the benefits of SOI, for some reason)
AMD uses 90nm SOI... they licensed the tech from IBM. Intel stills seems to have trouble with SOI and IIRC they developted it themselves rather than licence from IBM.
The sellers are using the same argument many software spammers use. "We're not selling you the software. You should already own the software. We're just selling you a backup copy... wink, wink."
Similar situation around here... around the fourth you can purchase all sorts of Fireworks all the way up to 6" shells, the fireworks dealers make you sign a paper stating that you are leagally permitted to use the fireworks in the area you will be using them in and that they are not liable for any damages.
The dealers of course don't check to see if you have the permits and are licensed and every year a couple people get seriously injured or killed hadling stuff that they have no clue about proper handling.
Well we bought 15 computers in one of our upgrade batches with Seagate 2.1GB drives and about 10 of them failed in the first year. The whitebox vendor we got the systems from just shipped us several at a time when we would have one fail so that we were not bothering them to get RMAs since apparently they had many other customers with the same experience.
The drives in question were all from Seagate's China plant that had just opened up and the consensus was that all the failures were startup issues at the plant.
Correct you are my friend. Honestly, what did Ximian bring to Novel in terms of actual products? What happened to Ximian Desktop, that lovely modified Gnome with a devilish monkey wallpaper? Have you heard anything about it? No, it's been discontinued.
Mostly true... XD is pretty much not needed since those changes have gone into mainstream Gnome.
Do you remember their Red Carpet? That usless shi!t that was supposed to unify software deployments? What happened to it? It turned out that Novel already had a similar product, and so RC has been discontinued.
Well Red Carpet basically just got renamed "Zen for Linux" the product still exists.
And you know what, as lovely as that crashoholic buggy Evolution is, and Mono (which is going for a long catch-up phase with the releaasse of C# 2.0 and the new.Net framework) these are bringing a total of $0.00 in terms of revenue for Novel.
FUD... the devlopment version of mono already implement 99% of C# 2.0.
Buying Ximian was a terrible mistake that Novel made during their hurry to jump into the Linux bandwagon. As if that was not enough, it seems that the Ximian guys now hold major positions in Novel, and have been put into positions to be able to kill SUSE's especial relationship with the KDE community. As other's have mentioned, SUSE was only strong in Europe, and in Europe, desktop Linux means KDE. I know that the Munich municipality is definitly going to have a strong word with SUSE about this.
Well currently Gnome is *better* than KDE for Enterprise use especially with it's Accessibility features which are a requirement for government use. The licensing of the core libraries is much more GNOME friendly for integration with proprietary enterprise apps also. For their target audience, corporate & government organizations (not hobbyist), it's a better choice than KDE.
I very much doubt that Munich will say anything to Novell.
I'm sure this won't affect KDE much. KDE just gets better with every release, and with 4.0, it will put all those usability criticisms to rest once and for all. But I do know that this will affect SUSE. The whole YAST2 is written with Qt, and it will be a massive redundant job to rewrite the whole thing in Gtk+. Also, this probably means that SUSE 10.0 was the last release that I bought, and I know I am not alone in this boat. Happy gconf hacking SUSE!
I'm sure your wrong.... with Novell sponsering less KDE development and more GNOME it's likely that the situation will go the other way. My guess is that they will replace YAST2 with something completely different, probably written in Mono that integrates with eDirectory/LDAP.
I imagine that the people on OSX with an urge to run Windows apps will outnumber users of Linux with the same urge. Hell, if I were Codeweavers, I'd be working really hard on CrossoverOSX. There might even be good money in it!
I wish he would have given us more information regarding the problems he ran into. I'm talking about system specs, the name and version of the Linux distro used, and more information regarding the software they apparently had so much trouble installing.
Well ITFA it said they were running RHEL 3 and for the server it was an IBM server... no exact details on the hardware.
The server was also setup by a contractor that Redhat had recommended per specs that SAP had provided.
One install scheme (I think it originate on SunOS, but I could be wrong) which I've always liked was to install every app into/opt/appname/. Underneath that, an application could create its own directory hierarchy that mirrored the system hierarchy. For this to work really well, you need a dynamic linker and periodic script that adds/opt/*/lib to the linker path. The advantage of this approach is that you can install an app (or library) by just un-tarring it into/opt, and uninstall it by just deleting its directory.
I don't really know why this hasn't been adopted by the community.
One problem with it is it makes it more difficult for libraries to be updated if there is a security vulnerability... you have to look for & update the library in X places.
Then there is the issue of an update scheme for the application... each one will probably require it's own and so basically updates won't be done. At least if you keep with the OS's core packaging scheme you can at least use the sytem updater to update the system be it YUM, APT or something else.
I don't think his comparison with RPM is completely apropos. RPM was poorly designed from the start, and was probably designed from the start as a tool for vendor lock-in. Apt-get, AFAICT, is well designed.
Well you are compaging apples to oranges... RPM is a *package format* that is open. On the other hand apt-get is package management tool with dependacy resolution.
If you are going to make a comparision either compare the RPM *package format* with the DEB *package format* or compare the yum *package management tool* with apt *package management tool*::sigh::.
Obviously someone that has not touched a rpm based distro in the last two years.
BTW apt does not handle multi-arch systems like x86-64 properly unlike yum. Both yum/rpm and apt/deb have their warts depending on one's situation.
Intel's iAPX432 should have warned it about depending too much on the compiler. The iAPX432, the replacement for the 80286, was an intrepit chip of unique design that was sunk, in part, by a lack of compilers that could create compentent code for it. The benchmark compiler would always use the 700-cycle procedure call instead the cheaper, more specialized procedure calls available, for example.
Actually the iAPX432 predates the 8086... like itanium it was an attempt by Intel to make a quantum leap. The iAPX432 was an attempt at a jump from 8bit to 32bit with support for object oriented languages.
The 8086 was about the same as the EM64T is now... a kluge to get in the 16bit market when they realized that the iAPX432 as a too ambitous design. The 8086 was designed in 6 months and basicilly added a 16bit ALU and segment registers to addess beyond 64K to the 8080 design.
The only mentions of RedHat on their site from what I remember was just to stat that they were based off of Red Hat Enterprise Linux and not affiliated with them.
So as far as I can see they were not doing anything wrong... they stated what they were and gave credit for the initial work. Most project would have raised a major fuss if they had not done that!!
from the menubar, select "tools" then "options" (it's the last item in the tools menu). A popup opens, click the plus next to the "load/save" category in the left side pane. Select "general" under the load/save category, then check the box next to "AutoSave every" and pick a frequency to suit your preferences. You can select whether you want a box to popup and ask you if you really want to do the save.
I think the orginal poster indicated that the autosave was not recoverable. I've run into that quite often where Office will crash in the middle of an autosave thus causing the issue.
though every game that requires a cd check (every game iv played for quite some time) with a central server to play online (the only reason to even buy games) would suffer from the exact same problem should the company crumble along with said central server.
UT2003/2004 are still playable online if the central server is down, the only problem is you can only play on servers that are on your favorites. There can be issues if you can't see the main server but the game server you are connecting to can if you have a duplicate key.
Yeah, but booting up it's still like 5x times louder than anything in there. Closets get way too warm when you have a server kicking out 400-500W of heat so the only "proper" place in in a datacenter/computer room.
Right now it's in the cube farm being configured and I'm playing with it till it goes into production over christmas break.
Just looked it up on their site at It's $174/Yr for support of SEL 9 for a single CPU server and $260/Yr for a dual CPU server. Cheaper than minimum $350/Yr for RHEL and alot cheaper than the $900/Yr Novell wants you to pay for support.
For $175 per single-CPU server annual maintenance subscription and $269 for a dual CPU subscription, Dell and Novell offer Linux customers additional choice on Dell's award-winning PowerEdge 1850, 2800 and 2850 servers. SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 is the first enterprise-class Linux server to leverage the performance, scalability and security features of the new Linux 2.6 kernel. This new platform is ideal for customers deploying Web farms, IT infrastructures and custom applications. The operating system will be bundled with the server at the time of purchase. A joint service agreement between the two companies provides customers with the same levels of award-winning support for SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 as all other operating systems.
BTW We just got a 2850 (to run netware) and it's pretty sweet... only down side is when you first power it up it sounds like a 747 taxing for takeoff. After server management board boots it throttles the fans to something reazonable... power cycling the server is not something I plan on doing more than once a year so I can deal with that.
Couldn't/Shouldn't Dell look into other Linux server packages? After all, that is the nature of the free market. If Dell drags Red Hat and, say, Turbolinux, or god forbid... SCO... into the fray, that would make the bottom line for companies looking to switch to Linux even more appealing.
DELL recently came up with a deal with Novell to sell SuSE Enterprise 9 on there servers. For $280/yr Dell will provide support on certain models (28xx series if I remember correctly).
WordPerfect became the market leader, then they got all fat and lazy, providing the opportunity for Microsoft to come along and eat their lunch with just a few new features that the folks at WordPerfect were too lazy to implement.
Ummmm WordPerfect got locked out of the OEM market because of agreements with PC manufactuers limiting what non-Microsoft sotware could be sold pre-installed.
Not being able to get WordPerfect pre-installed and being forced to take Office or crappy Works pretty much killed WordPerfect. Wordperfect is still a better product than Word... Quattro and Paradox have been exceeded by their MS counterparts, but WP is still better in my opinion.
You may not have noticed, but the USA Patriot Act passed 98-1 in the Senate, 356-66 in the House, meaning the vast majority of Democrats voted for it too. If you hate the Act, you can equally blame the Democrats for whatever ills it brings.
Well I'm proud that one of my sentators was the one to vote against it.
He got painted as a Terroist loving, gay kissing, tax & spend, baby killing liberal by his republican opponnent who was forced to admit that he never read the act until Russ beat him up in a debate over what the act actually allowed.
Thankfully he won... I would have hate have seen a social conservative like Tim Michaels in office.
The real problem is that you still cannot plug your digital camera in and have something intelligent happen.
Funny, I plug in my Kodak DC4330 and it beeps an put a little icon on my destop. I can then double click the icon and work with all the photos on my camera and I did not have to do any funky configuration. This is on SUSE 9.0 running the default KDE 3.1 desktop.
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Dell and Gateway comply with this agreement for "naked" PCs by including http://www.freedos.org/ with the PCs. The work-around on this is simple as thowing a $0.50 CD-R in the box with the PC.
Several things wrong with that
1. I believe the was really being sincere about "I feel sorry for your city" in reference to the website being down.
2. The initial e-mail was rather inflamitory & abusive
3. No contact information other than e-mail was given by Mr Taylor.
The K6, K6-2 and K6-3 (mostly laptop) processors all really sucked badly in the FPU area, integer wise they were better than similarly clocked PII parts. The K7 (Athlon) was the first AMD processor to trounce Intel in the FPU arena. I still have quite a few K6 & K6-2 based desktops at work that work well enough for office apps.
Well you could go into the stores and buy 1Ghz Athlons (K7) processor based systems months before you could buy 1Ghz PIII based systems. The 1Ghz PIII was pretty much just a paper announcement to combat AMD similar to the (crippled) Intel Dual Core announcement just to say they were first.
The dealers of course don't check to see if you have the permits and are licensed and every year a couple people get seriously injured or killed hadling stuff that they have no clue about proper handling.
Well we bought 15 computers in one of our upgrade batches with Seagate 2.1GB drives and about 10 of them failed in the first year. The whitebox vendor we got the systems from just shipped us several at a time when we would have one fail so that we were not bothering them to get RMAs since apparently they had many other customers with the same experience.
The drives in question were all from Seagate's China plant that had just opened up and the consensus was that all the failures were startup issues at the plant.
Mostly true
Well Red Carpet basically just got renamed "Zen for Linux" the product still exists.
FUD
Well currently Gnome is *better* than KDE for Enterprise use especially with it's Accessibility features which are a requirement for government use. The licensing of the core libraries is much more GNOME friendly for integration with proprietary enterprise apps also. For their target audience, corporate & government organizations (not hobbyist), it's a better choice than KDE.
I very much doubt that Munich will say anything to Novell.
I'm sure your wrong
Hmm well this must explain why I've been suddenly getting buddy messages in GAIM from user names with "garbage" for profile information.
IIRC I heard that they were on the wine list.
Well ITFA it said they were running RHEL 3 and for the server it was an IBM server
The server was also setup by a contractor that Redhat had recommended per specs that SAP had provided.
Then there is the issue of an update scheme for the application ... each one will probably require it's own and so basically updates won't be done. At least if you keep with the OS's core packaging scheme you can at least use the sytem updater to update the system be it YUM, APT or something else.
It is no uglier than Keramic or a dozen of other KDE or Gnome themes. They are trying to follow Apple's "glass" looking themes.
If you are going to make a comparision either compare the RPM *package format* with the DEB *package format* or compare the yum *package management tool* with apt *package management tool* ::sigh::.
Obviously someone that has not touched a rpm based distro in the last two years.
BTW apt does not handle multi-arch systems like x86-64 properly unlike yum. Both yum/rpm and apt/deb have their warts depending on one's situation.
Actually the iAPX432 predates the 8086
The 8086 was about the same as the EM64T is now
The only mentions of RedHat on their site from what I remember was just to stat that they were based off of Red Hat Enterprise Linux and not affiliated with them.
... they stated what they were and gave credit for the initial work. Most project would have raised a major fuss if they had not done that!!
So as far as I can see they were not doing anything wrong
I think the orginal poster indicated that the autosave was not recoverable. I've run into that quite often where Office will crash in the middle of an autosave thus causing the issue.
Might not be so bad if it would keep two backups.
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UT2003/2004 are still playable online if the central server is down, the only problem is you can only play on servers that are on your favorites. There can be issues if you can't see the main server but the game server you are connecting to can if you have a duplicate key.
How about this
Oh no, they say Bill's got to go...
Go go Mozilla!
Oh no, there goes Microsoft...
Go go Mozilla!
Yeah, but booting up it's still like 5x times louder than anything in there. Closets get way too warm when you have a server kicking out 400-500W of heat so the only "proper" place in in a datacenter/computer room.
Right now it's in the cube farm being configured and I'm playing with it till it goes into production over christmas break.
Just looked it up on their site at It's $174/Yr for support of SEL 9 for a single CPU server and $260/Yr for a dual CPU server. Cheaper than minimum $350/Yr for RHEL and alot cheaper than the $900/Yr Novell wants you to pay for support.
BTW We just got a 2850 (to run netware) and it's pretty sweet ... only down side is when you first power it up it sounds like a 747 taxing for takeoff. After server management board boots it throttles the fans to something reazonable ... power cycling the server is not something I plan on doing more than once a year so I can deal with that.
See http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/10/p r04072.html and http://www.dell.com/novell/
Not being able to get WordPerfect pre-installed and being forced to take Office or crappy Works pretty much killed WordPerfect. Wordperfect is still a better product than Word ... Quattro and Paradox have been exceeded by their MS counterparts, but WP is still better in my opinion.
He got painted as a Terroist loving, gay kissing, tax & spend, baby killing liberal by his republican opponnent who was forced to admit that he never read the act until Russ beat him up in a debate over what the act actually allowed.
Thankfully he won ... I would have hate have seen a social conservative like Tim Michaels in office.
Funny, I plug in my Kodak DC4330 and it beeps an put a little icon on my destop. I can then double click the icon and work with all the photos on my camera and I did not have to do any funky configuration. This is on SUSE 9.0 running the default KDE 3.1 desktop.