Note that it is the d20 trademark licence not the OGL that forbids the mention of anything to do with character creation, level advancement etc.
Various groups (such as http://www.prometheusgaming.com/) have attempted (or are attempting) to create a different set of documents, logos, trademarks etc that give a full set of rules (based on the SRD) without any encumbrances like that.
In other words, you can take any of the SRD stuff, add whatever you like to it (including character generation) and publish within the terms of the OGL. You just can't call it "d20".
As an aside, there used to be a site/group called "Twenty Siders" which seems to have disappeared. Perhaps they sailed a little too close to the wind?
Sarcasm aside, it is possible to simply cut and paste into memos or even read through a true text reader/editor on the palm.
But as the original poster said - it looks horrible. On a palm with only a small width screen, you get line wrapping plus the hard carriage returns in the text. This is not so bad if you are reading in a desktop text editor or word processor but is bad on the palm.
So yes, you do need to run through some hoops (unless, like another poster mentioned you go to Pluckerbooks or Manybooks or somewhere that has already done the work for the book you want), but my contention is that it is worth it!
Point taken that you can get punctuation wrong and still pass English.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that as an English degree holder you seem somewhat defensive in the face of grammar nazis such as myself.
Try reading my post again. It was mostly about Project Gutenberg texts and their benefits or lack thereof. I made a very small remark about the "terror of the unwanted apostrophe" at the end of my post and even made a joke about the fact that I did include this remark.
It was a joke. Not even a funny one, but certainly not one that warranted the diatribe above. Perhaps you should have replied to one of the other grammar nazis who didn't find anything worthwhile to say about the subject at hand, but only about the form in which it was presented.... In an attempt to not get modded offtopic: I would be interested to see whether any of these older versions of the books that we are actually supposed to be talking about do have the old, freestyle type grammar of when they were written or whether they have been edited, revised, translated (!) to pass the slashdot-grammar-nazi test!
I have a Zire 31 (smaller screen than the T-E) and have no problems. Upgraded last year from M125 which has the same sized screen but adding the colour screen with decent lighting helped, but I still read lots on the old one...
I can read on the palm for hours, but maybe that's just me.
From TFA in response to this very thought: "But that didn't seem right: These are paperbacks, which (thankfully) lack snob appeal to people who think of books as things to be seen instead of read."
Gutenberg texts are formatted the way they are for lots of quite good reasons, which you have even figured out for yourself...
As for breaking pocket devices, what are you doing with them. They are text files!!
To make it look adequate on a Palm: 1. Download etext 2. Run through gut.pl (http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/gut/) - followed by deleting the legal stuff if you like 3. Convert to Plucker / iSilo or whatever you like 4. Read
I have read some great stuff this way and have not had trouble breaking my palm.
Um BTW, as an English Major, and if you would like to pass, try leaving the apostrophe out of "it's" (... I was hoping to get modded karma-whore-informative but am now assuming that grammar-nazi-troll is more likely!)
OK, your definitions may vary (there seems to be very little common terminology, with common meaning, in this debate) but doesn't evolutionary biology seem to imply that we started with a simple (probably singled-celled) organism that was improved upon (complexity) to the vast array of life that we now have?
Evolution is not the observation that species change over time. Evolution is the belief that new species are originated (was going to write "created" but perhaps a bad choice) over time. Check out the whole title of Darwin's famous book sometime.
Explaining how it happens it an integral part of the science of evolution. The hypothesis is made and then mechanisms are proposed. Creationist science attempts to falsify these mechanism as it cannot (by definition) falsify the whole of evolution (happened in the past, can't observe).
Past its marketing value as a "sports" drink, how is Gatorade any better than Coke? (except maybe being caffeine free - oops, my bad - that would make it worse than coke!!)
OK, the two articles contradict a bit in this area, but if the experts don't yet know where it is from (as the NZ news article says), how do they know how old it is?
I'm far from expert in this area, but if they haven't yet done the work to figure out exactly (or even roughly) where it is from, surely they couldn't have done the work to figure out its age... Or are some assumptions being made here?
...OK, I'll 'fess up, just to make this look less like the flamebait that it is...
I am a young earth-creationist and my conspiracy theory says that assumptions are definitely being made. The Stuff article says it is an asteroid-derived meteorite... Asteroids are said to have formed c. 4bya therefore metorite is 4 billion years old. No tests required.
My box has a 466MHz Celeron processor and 320MB RAM.
Earlier this year, after having trouble getting some new accessory hardware running under Win98, I installed XP. Everything worked wonderfully (except a cheap flash-memory reader, but that is another story (sigh)...). But talk about slow.....! Adjectives fail me!
I recently installed Fedora Core 1 as a dual-boot and the difference in speed is staggering on this machine. Granted, I am using XFCE rather than the mega-desktop-environments, but even with OOo and Mozilla running it is still miles in front of XP.
Having said that though, I do agree with the article's basic premise that the "good stuff" of Linux (GNOME, KDE, OOo, Moz etc - the apps that make using Linux worthwhile) should be able to run on recently superseded machines without dragging on the ground.
Point taken and already acknowledged that the post wasn't a true "troll".
As far as all the other points, I am more than willing to discuss this offline if you actually want answers.
Probably best if you watch your "assumptions" though. I think you will find that the basis of our differences of opinion come down the our baseline assumptions being different.
And "uneducated and brainwashed"? Now we are heading into troll country.
Certainly not, and I'm sorry if that's how my reply came across.
I felt that the poster was trying to make my viewpoint seem ridiculous with the intention of forcing a reply.
From webopedia: troll (v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or a blog in order to bait other users into responding.
Maybe I was extreme, but "don't feed the flamebaiters" doesn't have such a nice ring to it.
I know you shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'll bite..
Noah didn't get the animals to the ark. God did. It's in the bible, read it.
Their own habitats afterwards? They didn't have one, the flood destroyed the whole world. As to getting where they are now, if you are actually interested, take a look here
As for piranhas, Noah only brought animals that had "the breath of life in them". Fish need not apply.
Worms, insects and other "lower" life forms probably didn't come either. Perhaps related to the same problem as 3, but also the hebrew used for "life" in the flood account (nephesh I think, I'm no Hebrew scholar) implies a "higher" form of life (a "soul"?). But even allowing for their presence (and yes, it was perhaps a little dangerous, them and the termites), Noah could have made a stone or steel bowl for them to live in for a year or so!
I must say I'm surprised there weren't any
dinosaur questions.
I am a biblical (short-age) creationist and I believe fully in a literal, recent (c5000ya), global flood, but I do not think they are going to find Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat (or anywhere).
The problem as I see it:
The ark was massive, and a bountiful supply of top-class timber. Do you really think Noah and family (who were building cities in a generation) would have just left it there to rot? Noah himself built a vineyard quite soon after the flood - he could have used it to grow his grapes on at least!
Secondly (but less importantly), is Ararat as described in Genesis the same Ararat as we now know? Names change and get reused all the time. Just a thought.
Like I said, I believe in the flood. There is enough evidence around for it without the ark. And even if the ark was found, if you don't want to believe, you won't (scripture references provided on request).
Despite being a (short-age) creationist, I agree with this parent.
Whether over 4 billion or 6 thousand years, the earth (at least until recently) had settled into a (relatively) stable balance between prey and predator and consumer and producer. There is enough potential damage in just modifying the life we have (through GM etc) without trying to make a complete rogue lifeform.
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This. It's an interesting study but not done in real world conditions so ultimately pointless.
So are you telling me that all the conflict in Toowoomba at the moment is about storm water, not recycled sewerage?
As a disclosure, I am Western Australian, but have spent time in QLD, so I am distant from the actual events, but am interested in what is going on...
Note that it is the d20 trademark licence not the OGL that forbids the mention of anything to do with character creation, level advancement etc.
Various groups (such as http://www.prometheusgaming.com/) have attempted (or are attempting) to create a different set of documents, logos, trademarks etc that give a full set of rules (based on the SRD) without any encumbrances like that.
In other words, you can take any of the SRD stuff, add whatever you like to it (including character generation) and publish within the terms of the OGL. You just can't call it "d20".
As an aside, there used to be a site/group called "Twenty Siders" which seems to have disappeared. Perhaps they sailed a little too close to the wind?
Where are mod points when you need them...
I almost laughed out loud at work! (Slow day)
Sarcasm aside, it is possible to simply cut and paste into memos or even read through a true text reader/editor on the palm.
But as the original poster said - it looks horrible. On a palm with only a small width screen, you get line wrapping plus the hard carriage returns in the text. This is not so bad if you are reading in a desktop text editor or word processor but is bad on the palm.
So yes, you do need to run through some hoops (unless, like another poster mentioned you go to Pluckerbooks or Manybooks or somewhere that has already done the work for the book you want), but my contention is that it is worth it!
Take it easy....
... In an attempt to not get modded offtopic: I would be interested to see whether any of these older versions of the books that we are actually supposed to be talking about do have the old, freestyle type grammar of when they were written or whether they have been edited, revised, translated (!) to pass the slashdot-grammar-nazi test!
Point taken that you can get punctuation wrong and still pass English.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that as an English degree holder you seem somewhat defensive in the face of grammar nazis such as myself.
Try reading my post again. It was mostly about Project Gutenberg texts and their benefits or lack thereof. I made a very small remark about the "terror of the unwanted apostrophe" at the end of my post and even made a joke about the fact that I did include this remark.
It was a joke. Not even a funny one, but certainly not one that warranted the diatribe above. Perhaps you should have replied to one of the other grammar nazis who didn't find anything worthwhile to say about the subject at hand, but only about the form in which it was presented.
Each to their own I suppose.
I have a Zire 31 (smaller screen than the T-E) and have no problems. Upgraded last year from M125 which has the same sized screen but adding the colour screen with decent lighting helped, but I still read lots on the old one...
I can read on the palm for hours, but maybe that's just me.
From TFA in response to this very thought: "But that didn't seem right: These are paperbacks, which (thankfully) lack snob appeal to people who think of books as things to be seen instead of read."
Please....
Gutenberg texts are formatted the way they are for lots of quite good reasons, which you have even figured out for yourself...
As for breaking pocket devices, what are you doing with them. They are text files!!
To make it look adequate on a Palm:
1. Download etext
2. Run through gut.pl (http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/gut/) - followed by deleting the legal stuff if you like
3. Convert to Plucker / iSilo or whatever you like
4. Read
I have read some great stuff this way and have not had trouble breaking my palm.
Um BTW, as an English Major, and if you would like to pass, try leaving the apostrophe out of "it's" (... I was hoping to get modded karma-whore-informative but am now assuming that grammar-nazi-troll is more likely!)
While waiting, how about having a look at Project Gutenberg, I'm sure you'll find most of them there.
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See also: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154018&cid=12
While this is technically correct, it is also completely irrelevant.
See Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died
Adam was 930 years old when he died. No way could he have spent thousands or millions of years in the garden as an immortal.
OK, your definitions may vary (there seems to be very little common terminology, with common meaning, in this debate) but doesn't evolutionary biology seem to imply that we started with a simple (probably singled-celled) organism that was improved upon (complexity) to the vast array of life that we now have?
Evolution is not the observation that species change over time. Evolution is the belief that new species are originated (was going to write "created" but perhaps a bad choice) over time. Check out the whole title of Darwin's famous book sometime.
Explaining how it happens it an integral part of the science of evolution. The hypothesis is made and then mechanisms are proposed. Creationist science attempts to falsify these mechanism as it cannot (by definition) falsify the whole of evolution (happened in the past, can't observe).
Sorry, I know dentists who would disagree.
Past its marketing value as a "sports" drink, how is Gatorade any better than Coke? (except maybe being caffeine free - oops, my bad - that would make it worse than coke!!)
OK, the two articles contradict a bit in this area, but if the experts don't yet know where it is from (as the NZ news article says), how do they know how old it is?
I'm far from expert in this area, but if they haven't yet done the work to figure out exactly (or even roughly) where it is from, surely they couldn't have done the work to figure out its age... Or are some assumptions being made here?
I am a young earth-creationist and my conspiracy theory says that assumptions are definitely being made. The Stuff article says it is an asteroid-derived meteorite... Asteroids are said to have formed c. 4bya therefore metorite is 4 billion years old. No tests required.
My experience differs.
My box has a 466MHz Celeron processor and 320MB RAM.
Earlier this year, after having trouble getting some new accessory hardware running under Win98, I installed XP. Everything worked wonderfully (except a cheap flash-memory reader, but that is another story (sigh)...). But talk about slow.....! Adjectives fail me!
I recently installed Fedora Core 1 as a dual-boot and the difference in speed is staggering on this machine. Granted, I am using XFCE rather than the mega-desktop-environments, but even with OOo and Mozilla running it is still miles in front of XP.
Having said that though, I do agree with the article's basic premise that the "good stuff" of Linux (GNOME, KDE, OOo, Moz etc - the apps that make using Linux worthwhile) should be able to run on recently superseded machines without dragging on the ground.
Point taken and already acknowledged that the post wasn't a true "troll".
As far as all the other points, I am more than willing to discuss this offline if you actually want answers.
Probably best if you watch your "assumptions" though. I think you will find that the basis of our differences of opinion come down the our baseline assumptions being different.
And "uneducated and brainwashed"? Now we are heading into troll country.
WARNING: Spelling Nazi attack follows
I agree, playing the baddies can be fun, but am I missing something? Where was the Golem in LOTR?
Certainly not, and I'm sorry if that's how my reply came across.
I felt that the poster was trying to make my viewpoint seem ridiculous with the intention of forcing a reply.
From webopedia: troll (v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or a blog in order to bait other users into responding.
Maybe I was extreme, but "don't feed the flamebaiters" doesn't have such a nice ring to it.
I know you shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'll bite..
I must say I'm surprised there weren't any dinosaur questions.
I am a biblical (short-age) creationist and I believe fully in a literal, recent (c5000ya), global flood, but I do not think they are going to find Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat (or anywhere).
The problem as I see it:
The ark was massive, and a bountiful supply of top-class timber. Do you really think Noah and family (who were building cities in a generation) would have just left it there to rot? Noah himself built a vineyard quite soon after the flood - he could have used it to grow his grapes on at least!
Secondly (but less importantly), is Ararat as described in Genesis the same Ararat as we now know? Names change and get reused all the time. Just a thought.
Like I said, I believe in the flood. There is enough evidence around for it without the ark. And even if the ark was found, if you don't want to believe, you won't (scripture references provided on request).
Despite being a (short-age) creationist, I agree with this parent.
Whether over 4 billion or 6 thousand years, the earth (at least until recently) had settled into a (relatively) stable balance between prey and predator and consumer and producer. There is enough potential damage in just modifying the life we have (through GM etc) without trying to make a complete rogue lifeform.
Are there (too) many parentheses in this post?
Sorry, but the facts are well understood. It is just the definitions that are differing.
Atlantis IS freeware, but it is still non-free. Contradiction in terms? I don't think so!