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Dyson Airblades 'Spread Germs 1,300 Times More Than Paper Towels' (telegraph.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes: The Journal of Applied Microbiology published a report claiming Dyson Airblade hand-driers spread 60 times more germs than standard air dryers, and 1,300 times more than standard paper towels. The researchers from University of Westminster conducted their research by dipping their hands in water containing a harmless virus. Then, they dried their hands with either a Dyson Airblade, a standard hot-air dryer, or a paper towel. Their research shows the Dyson drier's 430mph blasts of air are capable of spreading viruses up to 3 meters across a bathroom. Typical driers spread viruses up to 75cm (about 2.5ft), and the hand towels 25cm (less than 1ft).

434 comments

  1. Yes, but it's a Dyson by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but it's a Dyson which means it cost twice what any other solution cost, so it's go to be good, right?

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    1. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by p4ul13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I hate the air blades. I knew they had to be germ machines. Just try to use one without touching the damn sides. Hate hate hate them!

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    2. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well most of the reviews on Dyson is that their products either sucks or blows.

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    3. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dyson Airblades, or as microbiologists like to call the, Dyson Germ Cannons

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    4. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I hate the air blades. I knew they had to be germ machines

      No, you wanted them to be because you don't like them. That your desire happens to have overlapped with reality does not mean that you "knew" anything. We know this because...

      Just try to use one without touching the damn sides

      I have, and it's easy. I don't think I've ever touched any part of the machine at all. But anyway, the reason they spread more germs is because they blow them further around a room, which has nothing to do with your apparent inability to use a machine without clumsily pawing at it like a dog. Maybe take of those Hulk Hands you got for birthday?

    5. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      Ahem.

      Germ Dispersal Units. Or GDUs, if you prefer.

    6. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Screw touching the sides, they blow more air, at higher velocities, than the traditional hand blowers we already knew were worse than paper towels. You're having those germs thrown at your face by the thing, not rubbed into your hands.

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    7. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

      And this is the company that Trump wants to entrust with building a wall around the solar system to keep out aliens?

    8. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by chaboud · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Listen Donald, not all of us were graced with dainty hobbit hands.

          Having also touched the interior of one of these crufty shit slingers (that crack in the bottom always fills with a brown sludge), I'll be happy to see them sued out of existence for false advertisement.

    9. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 3, Funny

      And make the damn aliens pay the bill for building it also!

    10. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not big handed, probably just limp-wristed. The blasts of air are strong enough to push his fingers into contact with the sides.

    11. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damned straight! It's an incredible piece of engineering...that excels at spreading germs! It actually costs 10 to as as much as paper towels... And will kill us 3 times as fast. But atleast it generates less waste.... And looks really cool! Now if we could just hook them up to some solar panels... So they wouldn't rely on combustible energy.... Then we could have them running non stop... And help the paper towel barren earth rid itself of us perky humans.

    12. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes, but it's a Dyson which means it cost twice what any other solution cost, so it's go to be good, right?"

      Dyson: Different to be different. More expensive. Less useful.

    13. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Barsteward · · Score: 4, Informative

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

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    14. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use them without touching the sides, but it requires basic fine motor control. If you find you cannot control the placement of your hands, then consider this is something you may have an issue with.
      Bit yes the article raises the point that high velocities of air flow blast germs around the room, so it's not contact that is the problem.

    15. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Barsteward · · Score: 0

      you mean you can't get your hands dried by this because they are too big? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    16. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      i don't know what you've been using but they dry between my fingers perfectly well

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    17. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. It isn't the people washing and drying their hands you need to worry about.

    18. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've always found them shit anyway. The airblade doesn't make sense, as it seems to blow horizontally, creating an air wall that basically pushes any water on your hand either side of the air wall, and as you move up and down, moves the water up and down.

      To me, what would've always made more sense would've been to:

      a) Have the air aim downwards to push the water down off your hands

      b) Move your hands into position from the side, rather than above

      Moving hands in from above just pushes the water up your arm, moving your hands in from the side and blowing down would push it off your hand.

      So yes, right now all they really are is germ cannons that don't actually dry your hands particularly effectively - in fact, I find a good classic powerful (some are shit and too weak) hand dryer to be much better because at least they blast downwards, which because we live in a world with gravity, is kind of more fucking useful than creating a wall that just pushes water up your arm.

      But one of the biggest sanitation problems for germ transfer in toilets is door handles. Rather than buying an expensive airblade, maybe places should invest in doors that open automatically with sensors because right now everyone washes their hands and dries them with an expensive no-touch hand dryer like the dyson, and then proceeds to put their hand on the door handle to exit the washrooms only to pick up all the germs that that one scratty bastard who doesn't wash his hands after handling his dick left there.

    19. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      any movement of air is going to spread germs so paper towels will be infected as well

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    20. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

      Yup. Similarly, testing and debugging would be unnecessary if people just wrote correct code.

    21. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The air does blow slightly downwards. You put your hands in, then slowly pull them upwards and all of the water is blown downwards (where, apparently, it collects in a sludgy pool in the base of the machine). I'm a bit surprised by the point of this article though, because you only use the machine after you wash your hands. The washing process is the bit that's supposed to remove the germs, not the drying!

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    22. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by bentcd · · Score: 1

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

      This is wrong. While you will have gotten rid of some germs while washing there will still be plenty left, trapped in the thin water film that remains but detached from your skin since you used soap. The way to get rid of these germs is to use something like a towel that absorbs the water and with it also absorbs the remaining germs. (This is also why you need to wash your towel: it is not clean because you were not clean when you were using it.)

      If instead you use still air drying the water will eventually go, but the germs will remain and they will reattach to your skin.

      And then if you use a warm air blower (e.g. a Dyson airblade) the water will also go but some of the germs will remain on your skin and the rest will get blown around the room for the benefit of general population.

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    23. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I had a long term plan to "dry" my wiener into one of these!
      Now I will have to reconsider, or wear rubber...

      Thanks Slashdot, you saved my junk, I will stick to my dyson vacuum cleaner instead, as it has a HEPA filter.

    24. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

      It's also pushing air against the user's clothing, the walls, maybe the floor. All of these places have dirt and bacteria present so when you blow a lot of high speed air against these surfaces, you will tend to pick up dirt and germs and such and loft them all around the room.

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    25. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding is that you need to wash your hands 7 times after you have pooped before all the germs were gone.
      But no source on that. I don't believe everybody washes their hands properly. The reason I don't use air blowers is because the heating elements are just factories for growing germs.

    26. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by nava68 · · Score: 1

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

      Nope it is not - Actually institutes in England (1997, Westminster report) and Germany (2005, TÜV) ran tests regarding handwashing and drying with different means. The conclusion? Handwashing may reduce the pathogen level on your hands by about 40% (if using only soap) but the funny thing is that this holds only true if you use paper towels. If you use Cloth the reduction might be only 20% while when using Hot Air Dryers you might ending with the same count (or even more) than before. But normally you won't get infections this way - thats because your skin (and the hydrolipids covering it) will protect you - except if you destroy the hydrolipids by washing your hands too often.

      And in case you want really clean hands:
      There is a reason why hospitals ask you to wash your hands and then disinfect them with specialized agents. Since the 60ies most surgeons disinfect them for about 5 to 8 minutes with antiseptics (there are even EN norms for that) to be sure they won't carry pathogens.

      I wouldn't worry about people not washing their hands but about people not washing and disinfecting their hands in high risk areas like hospitals, nurseries and care institutions...

    27. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      The proper way is to put your hands in completely, then slowly move them upwards once (twice if you want your hands really really dry).

      The airflow is pointed slightly downwards, and the 'air wall' keeps almost all of the water below that line. It's really simple and really effective for those who actually think about it or follow the instructions on the damn things.

      Here's a video demonstrating this apparently baffling procedure:
      https://youtu.be/fkQrCF-D-9k?t...

    28. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Washing transfers dirt and other contaminants from the surface of an item (in this case your hands) to the washing medium (in this case soap and water). If the water is still on your hands, the contaminants (including bacteria) are still present. Drying out the water by evaporation will simply precipitate out the contaminants back onto your skin. Have you never, for example, had to rewash your hands after using a drier because you find a slimy smear of soap left behind?

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    29. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      You know you are supposed to rinse after you finished applying the soap?

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    30. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are supposed to wash your hands with soap and water before you use an air drier. It is not meant for drying piss on your hands. Dum-dum!

    31. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Maritz · · Score: 1

      If they have any sense, they're already building it, and it's free (for us).

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    32. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by rnturn · · Score: 1

      First place I encountered these?

      In a hospital. And I've been in a couple of other hospitals where management thought these were a good idea. So now you'll know how germs spread so fast and are so difficult to eradicate in some healthcare facilities.

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    33. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      From what I've observed most people don't wash their hands properly. Often the taps make washing properly impossible anyway because you have to touch them to turn them off, or keep pressing them to get enough water to wash the soap off.

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    34. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you may have no germs on your hands before you use one these hot air blowers have been shown to be a good breeding ground for germs themselves.

    35. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Ulric · · Score: 3, Funny

      Right, it's the ones peeing into the dryer.

    36. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hands? I tought Dyson's Airblade was a fancy urinal that blows pee all over the place

    37. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by cc1984_ · · Score: 1

      a) Have the air aim downwards to push the water down off your hands

      b) Move your hands into position from the side, rather than above

      Sounds like you're describing the Dyson Airblade V

      http://www.dyson.co.uk/hand-dr...

    38. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Did you supervise the person in front of you in the line?

      I washed my hands properly. That other guy next to you? He may have wiped them on his arse because they were out of toilet paper for all you know.

    39. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      that one scratty bastard who doesn't wash his hands after handling his dick left there.

      Interesting. What do you think will spread more germs that are likely to affect you? The one guy who touched his pee-pee, or the common man who just rubbed his finger across his nose? Maybe the person who sneezed into a handkerchief for the 100th time that day, the one that he keeps soaking wet in his pocket.

      Most people's dicks are probably the cleanest part of their body.

    40. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you've been putting your dick but mine is far cleaner than my hands. Coupled with the fact that urine is sterile (it's been inside you ok ?) then even if I were to wipe my dick all over a door handle it would transfer far, far, less germs than my hands would.

      Personally I wash my hands *before* I take a leak.. I know where both my hands and my dick have been and it's my hands that do the vast majority of playing about in the mud/filth/dirt/germs etc.(much to my disappointment I might add :)

    41. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by hattig · · Score: 1

      I thought the point of drying your hands was to dry them after washing them, presumably with hot water and soap.

      So how are they slinging shit around, unless someone sat on one and performed a wet runny colon evacuation?

    42. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by hattig · · Score: 1
    43. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is misphrased. This would be correct:

      If *that disgusting other guy* has washed his hands properly there will be no germs to spread *to me*.

      Unfortunately, you can only decide how much your own hands are washed, but not how much he washed his.

    44. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by hattig · · Score: 1

      What I never understand about air dryer installation is the lack of drainage.

      Sure, for the old hot air dryers, they actually dried the hands, that made a bit of sense.

      But these accelerated cold air jet dryers push the water from your hands elsewhere. The previous model of Airblade didn't have a solution, it just puddled on the bottom or was flung out of the side (presumably the side is open for the air jets to escape, so the water does too).

      My workplace now has presence-activated taps/soap/air dryers that at least blow the air into the sink area. If you use your elbows to open the doors you might get out of the bathroom without incurring too much germy filth.

    45. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't avoid touching the sides then we have to wonder if you either are so damn weak wristed that you can't keep some blowing air from slapping your hands around or morbidly obese with giant club fingers. My hands are normal size and there is plenty of damn room as far as I'm concerned.

    46. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Funny

      They call those things Dyson Airblades? I thought it was a urinal!

    47. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      And by what magical procedure does the airblade magically ignore water going downwards?

      By putting your hands in from the top and pushing them down as the instructions say, you inevitably just have some of the water pushed up your arm as they move down through the air blade by the air wall. The design is not magical enough to ignore water whilst you're pushing your hands down, whilst not ignoring it whilst pulling them back up.

      There's no benefit therefore to something that just outright blows air downwards with an equally decent amount of power that you shove your hands under.

    48. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At Sherway Gardens (an upscale mall in Toronto), they have sinks whose taps have built-in AirBlade dryers. Yes, it's exactly as dumb as it sounds: Hey! Let's blow air into a sink that has residual water in the bottom, nothing can go wrong!

      Also FYI, door handles are usually plated in an anti-microbial nickel alloy, so you don't need to worry. The people who take extra paper towels to wrap around their hands to open the doors always make me laugh. Besides, overly sterile environments are bad for us!

    49. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Interesting. What do you think will spread more germs that are likely to affect you? The one guy who touched his pee-pee, or the common man who just rubbed his finger across his nose? Maybe the person who sneezed into a handkerchief for the 100th time that day, the one that he keeps soaking wet in his pocket."

      Does it really matter? The underlying point is that someone who has not washed their hands could be spreading germs from all of those things, their dick being just one example of such a thing. You've completely missed the point - the problem isn't that they've touched their dick, the problem is that they have not washed their hands. Unless you're suggesting for some undefined reason that people who do not wash their hands are somehow less prone to retrieiving germs from somewhere else then you seem to be making a complete non-point.

      Given how scratty such people are I'd be inclined to disbelieve they wash any much part of their body on a particularly regular basis if they can't even be bothered to wash their hands.

    50. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Rather than buying an expensive airblade, maybe places should invest in doors that open automatically with sensors because right now everyone washes their hands and dries them with an expensive no-touch hand dryer like the dyson, and then proceeds to put their hand on the door handle to exit the washrooms only to pick up all the germs that that one scratty bastard who doesn't wash his hands after handling his dick left there.

      Alternatively they should fit the doors so that you can simply push them open to leave. On a completely unrelated note, and purely out of interest, is your day job writing Java frameworks?

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    51. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      Because what could possibly go wrong with people kicking doors open all the time, it's not like anyone could ever be on the other side and get a door to the face is it? Or were you suggesting that pushing a door open with your hand somehow makes you immune to germs as opposed to pulling one with a handle?

      Do you work with PHP by any chance?

    52. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But who ensures that your predecessors all wahed their hands as properly as you do?

    53. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      And then there are the people I see who take care of their business and then exit the restroom without so much as glancing at the sinks. I keep being reminded of that Far Side comic of the giant sign (complete with alarms) blaring for the guy who didn't wash his hands after using the restroom. I wish that were a real thing - especially if you're about to shake someone's hand.

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    54. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pissing into a fan taken to the next level.

    55. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

      There always are germs to be spread, you can't wash your hands enough to get rid of all germs. But what's worse is that because of it's nature there is going to be an amount of fecal matter germs in the air, and the Dyson blades give them a warm, constantly moist area that don't get cleaned very well to grow their fecal colonies which will then be blown onto post washed hands.

      Seriously anybody ever seen a person actually cleaning a blade? At best the wipe down the outside, they aren't going in and disinfecting the inside nooks and crannies with a cue-tip.

    56. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the amount of rinsing required varies based on the particular soap used, and the effectiveness of the rinse depends on the volume and rate of flow. Every washroom is different and I sometimes misjudge the rinse. To err is human, mate.

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    57. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Because what could possibly go wrong with people kicking doors open all the time, it's not like anyone could ever be on the other side and get a door to the face is it?

      So wait, somehow reversing the direction that an existing door opens introduces a whole slew of problems related to opening the door that didn't exist prior to reversing how it opens?

      Why aren't people on the *inside* already getting doors in the face all the time because idiots are roundhousing the doors rather than simply pushing them open with their foot?

      How has humanity survived without electric doors?

      Or were you suggesting that pushing a door open with your hand somehow makes you immune to germs as opposed to pulling one with a handle?

      You could use your elbow, shoulder or foot to push open the door, exactly the same as you can currently do when entering the bathroom except, you know, leaving.

      I reiterate my question about Java frameworks.

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    58. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, congrats on your itty bitty midget hands bro. Good to know someone with Ken Barbie size frickin hands won't hit the sides.

    59. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      I can't tell if you're being intentionally argumentative, or if you've just never left your mothers basement. Automatic opening devices are cheap and commonplace. They typically open the door at a reasonable enough pace so as not to be too fast, nor too slow.

      Now, if you've ever witnessed anyone opening a door with their foot, quite common in shopping areas where people's hands are full of shopping, or office areas where folks are carrying their briefcase in one hand and lunch in the other, you'll have seen that quite frequently people attempting this completely misjudge the force needed to open with their foot when compared to the more natural and common opening with their arm and end up sending the door flying open. That's before you ignore the fact that some people are just too old, or simply have some disability preventing them doing the old one foot, kick the door open then shuffle through as it closes on you act.

      Whilst using an elbow will reduce germ transfer compared to hands, you're simply moving the problem to your elbow, and if you lean on a desk, or an escalator arm, or a chair arm, or any such thing, then you're still going to be transferring things like the flu to a place other people put their hands.

      Of course you're not wrong with the point you were so obnoxiously trying to get at, yes, there are simpler options, like, not using a door at all for example and just putting a barrier up in front of the doorway that you have to go around so that no one can see in, though this in itself results in the risk of things like foul odours flooding out which in somewhere like a restaurant might be rather undesirable, potentially requiring an air extractor.

      But it's okay, stick to doing PHP in your mom's basement where you haven't witnessed the practicality of real life and can argue about things for the sake of it if it makes you feel better.

    60. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No way. Washing your hands, especially in a commercial bathroom with conventional soap and without a surgical scrub brush, removes some but not all of the microbes present. Hands are not sterile even after a 10 minute scrub with antimicrobial soap and a brush outside of a surgical suite. But I agree, to be meaningful, the study should have had people wash their hands first.

    61. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because soap doesn't kill germs, it releases them from the grease on your hands so they can be rinsed or wiped off. If you blow them off at high speed, they have to go somewhere.

    62. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is your junk so filthy that it requires you to disinfect every time you touch it?

    63. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Automatic doors aren't even really necessary, just make the doors swing out so that I can push it open with my foot.

    64. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread."

      Spoken like a true failure at basic high-school level biology.

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    65. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Door openers generally cost more than the door does. I wouldn't call that cheap. And that wasn't the least moronic thing you said.

    66. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your hands have never touched it?
       
      Know how I know you're a manlet?

    67. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A basic understanding of physics, and you would be able ro understand better. Seems like a lot of dyson shills in here.

    68. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a healthy weight 6'5" male I find there to be very little clearance. I don't have a problem not touching them, but a few extra inches would be nice.

    69. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

      There will ALWAYS be germs, no matter how well you wash. Simply impossible to eliminate them all.

    70. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me, what would've always made more sense would've been to:

      ...

      b) Move your hands into position from the side, rather than above

      Moving hands in from above just pushes the water up your arm, moving your hands in from the side and blowing down would push it off your hand.

      Your item B is exactly how they were designed to be used.

    71. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I have seen plenty of people who do the perfunctory hand wash by running water over their hands for 2 seconds just so that people in the room already know that the "procedure has been followed"

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    72. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?!

      Have you never watched other men's actions in a public bathroom?

      MANY of them OFTEN only rinse their hands, and then dry. Half the time it's not their fault because the liquid soap is missing or empty.

      So a drying method which blasts their germs across the room turns out to be a bad fucking idea. :(

    73. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by qfman · · Score: 0

      Funny thing though, I think most people use at least clean water if not some soap and water before sticking there hands in there to dry. du

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    74. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      They changed the design, obviously because the old design was crap.

      This video documents the original design, which as the GP states, is impossible to use without touching.

      The *best* hand dryer in my opinion are these: Xcelerator. They probably suffer from the same problems reported in TFA as the Dyson, due to high speed air flow, but man they dry hands really nice and fast and there's nothing to touch.

    75. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Are you writing from a different world where the human race has serious problems with doors. Because I live here on planet earth and doors do not cause nearly do much trouble as you appear to think.

      Now, if you've ever witnessed anyone opening a door with their foot, quite common in shopping areas where people's hands are full of shopping, or office areas where folks are carrying their briefcase in one hand and lunch in the other, you'll have seen that quite frequently people attempting this completely misjudge the force needed to open with their foot when compared to the more natural and common opening with their arm and end up sending the door flying open.

      Round my way lots of doors have those mechanical door closers on them which also stop you hurling the door open at great speed.

      That's before you ignore the fact that some people are just too old, or simply have some disability preventing them doing the old one foot, kick the door open then shuffle through as it closes on you act..

      You don't have to do some strange one legged dance to push open a door. You just walk up to it and keep going.

      Whilst using an elbow will reduce germ transfer compared to hands, you're simply moving the problem to your elbow

      Well, that's greatly preferable. One doesn't tend to touch nearly so many things with elbows and especially not food.

      Of course you're not wrong with the point you were so obnoxiously trying to get at, yes,

      I was facetiously pointing out that you proposed and excessively complex solution when a simple one exists. But that made you defensive and now you're aggressively defending your solution.

      there are simpler options

      Or you know taking the door already there and just changing the way round it opens...

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    76. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of restrooms now have this little metal grip thing attached to the bottom corner of the opening side of the inside of the door so that you could open the door with the bottom of your shoe after washing your hands.

    77. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      I read a report a while ago that claimed the insides of hot-air hand dryers were a breeding ground for general bacteria in the bathroom environment. The insides are nearly impossible to clean (I assume the heat exchanger is a kind of radiator with finely-spaced fins) and they are warm, collect fluff and dust, and so are perfect for bacteria.

      To solve that problem the hand dryer would have to have some kind of internal self-clean cycle, either based on a UV light, or running the heating element with no fan going to kill things off.

      Here's a nice commentary from Dr Karl (Aussies would know him from Triple-J and other appearances) from way back in 2011 stating the exact same observations as TFA.

    78. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and then proceeds to put their hand on the door handle to exit the washrooms only to pick up all the germs that that one scratty bastard who doesn't wash his hands after handling his dick left there.

      My dick is cleaner than my hands. I don't know about you.

    79. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Does it really matter?

      You're the one who talked about "that one scratty bastard who doesn't wash his hands after handling his dick left there". I'd consider them rather hygenic compared to some scratty bastard who just scratched his nose or sneezed.

    80. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Urine is sterile. No germs. One of the few saving graces when the kid pees all over you when changing a diaper.

    81. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Physics is challenging to you, isn't it?

      Can you think of a reason why you have to pull up your hands slowly instead of quickly? How does the speed of your hands influence the effect of the 'air wall' ? (protip: imagine your hands being stationary and the air wall moving)

      Go ahead. Take your time.
      Better yet, next time you encounter a Dyson airblade, make your hands wet, follow my instructions and experience the magic yourself.

    82. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by loufoque · · Score: 1

      I've used the original design thousands of time, never touched it.
      Given the force of the wind it would actually be pretty hard to do so.

    83. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by loufoque · · Score: 1

      They perfectly dry your hands in a couple of seconds, unlike any other option on the market.

    84. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Urine is not sterile.

      https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/urine-not-sterile-and-neither-rest-you

      It's an old myth, now debunked. Please stop repeating it.

    85. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, what you are saying is fairly well supported. Instead of saying "seven times" the rule of thumb is wash your hands to the tune of the "Happy Birthday" song. By the time you are finished, yes, you've washed your hands about seven times or so....

    86. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      I would literally love to watch you walk up to a door and keep going, watching you smack your knee on it and fumble awkwardly as it fails to open fast enough with your proposed mechanical door closer would be incredibly amusing.

      "Well, that's greatly preferable. One doesn't tend to touch nearly so many things with elbows and especially not food."

      As said, it's not your elbow that's the problem, it's the fact you often place your elbow where hands go, stop missing the point to try and hide from the fact you didn't think your argument through.

      "Or you know taking the door already there and just changing the way round it opens..."

      So what you're saying is there are simpler options, but even simpler ones should be ignored because then you fall victim to your own argument of not coming up with the most simple solution? Yeah okay then, that's not hypocritical or anything.

      You really haven't been out into the real world much if you believe most of what you just said.

    87. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Physics is challenging to you, isn't it?"

      I don't think I'm the one being challenged here, either by physics, or by English reading comprehension.

      I'll give you a hint, because you're clearly struggling - when you place wet hands into the airblade, the air wall acts as a barrier for the water. The idea is that when you pull your hands up, this barrier forces the water to not slide up with your hands, forcing it off the ends of your fingers.

      The problem is, that they're not designed for putting your hands in any way other than downwards, and that means that to get your hands into a position where you lift them up so the airblade can keep the water sliding down, you first have to put your hands in from the top such that the airblade keeps the water sliding up your wrist because the water can't magically pass the airblade on the downwards motion, then suddenly be prevented doing so only on the upwards motion.

      We have these at work, I use them daily, exactly as you describe, and they're shit and fail hard. You may wish to try them yourself one day to experience the massive fail in the design. This is why, as I said, your hands should move in sideways under the airblade and then be pulled up.

      So before doing a really bad job of trolling and subsequently making a fool of yourself in future, you should probably show that you understand the product yourself, because you clearly don't understand it, or the physics involved, nor are even capable of basic reading. In fact, you just failed spectacularly at basically everything involved.

    88. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      I'm merely pointing out that the problem with your argument is that people who do not wash their hands are somehow separate to others that have dirty habits, when in reality unhygienic people are generally unhygienic - the guy not washing his hands after using the toilet is likely the same guy who fucked some woman in a one night stand the night before and hasn't showered since, who is also the guy who picks his nose and sneezes and coughs all over his hands.

      The odds are the people you're talking about are one and the same. Dirty people are dirty - they rarely have one bad habit like not washing their hands after the toilet and then proceed to be the epitome of cleanliness in the entire rest of their walks of life making them overall less likely to spread germs than the rest of the general population. Likely the guy who didn't wash his hands after holding his dick also didn't wash them after picking his nose, or sneezing as you mention.

    89. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      the airblade keeps the water sliding up your wrist because the water can't magically pass the airblade

      So you missed the whole part about the speed, huh? Talking about reading comprehension. Or maybe you just ignored it out of stubbornness. Whatever.

      You seem to think the air wall is somehow impermeable to water. It's not. The force lateral to the air flow (in this case up and down) matters and depends on the pressure in the air wall itself and the resulting vortices formed when the air hits a surface (such as your hands). The laminar flow can create very specific and stable vortices, which are essential for exerting a continuous lateral force on the water. When you speed up the motion of your hands, not only are you imparting more (downward) impulse on the water on your hands, you are also disturbing the vortices formed and diminishing the amount of impulse they can transfer to the water. These effects can allow the water to retain a downward velocity and 'slip through'.

      This is why, as I said, your hands should move in sideways under the airblade and then be pulled up.

      This works, of course, but is not necessary.

      We have these at work, I use them daily, exactly as you describe, and they're shit and fail hard

      Either they are not proper airblades, or you are either putting your hands in too slow and/or taking them out too fast (I take them out in about 10s, which is still far, far shorter than trying to dry your hands with a normal hand dryer).

      So before doing a really bad job of trolling

      I'm not trolling. I love airblades and it always hurts me to see idiots using them the wrong way and/or misunderstanding them.
      Furthermore, you're the one who started with displaying a painful lack of understanding of physics in a snarky manner: "And by what magical procedure does the airblade magically ignore water going downwards?"

      I don't have any affiliation with Dyson, so I am going to leave it at this. Let me just extend commiserations to them for the idiocracy in which their product has to live.

    90. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I would literally love to watch you walk up to a door and keep going, watching you smack your knee on it and fumble awkwardly as it fails to open fast enough with your proposed mechanical door closer would be incredibly amusing.

      Well, you're going to be waiting a long time since I have opened many doors without splatting into them. Opening them with any body part is much the same as opening them with your hand. You don't just come charging up at full tilt and smack your appendiges at them with an assumption of speed. No, you walk up to them and then push.

      Secondly, my mechanical door closer isn't proposed, it's a common device fitted to very many doors in commercial settings. I'm honestly surprised you seem to not know about them.

      As said, it's not your elbow that's the problem, it's the fact you often place your elbow where hands go, stop missing the point to try and hide from the fact you didn't think your argument through.

      I'm not, but if you think having germs on your elbow is as bad as having them on your hands, then, frankly you're an idiot. Example: after scrubbing up, doctors turn off the taps with an elbow frequently not their hands because having germs there is much less bad.

      So what you're saying is there are simpler options, but even simpler ones should be ignored because then you fall victim to your own argument of not coming up with the most simple solution? Yeah okay then, that's not hypocritical or anything.

      Not really, no. A wiggle in the corridor is simpler, but requires more space. Reversing the doors fits in almost exactly the same place as before and coule easily be retrofitted to many bathrooms.

      You really haven't been out into the real world much if you believe most of what you just said.

      Says the guy who hasn't ever seen a mechanical door closing device.

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    91. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      Don't you think any product that relies on a description of fluid dynamics for someone to understand how to use it properly isn't in itself evidence of a colossal design failure? It's not like these things have instructions on them about speed or duration of insertion or removal of hands - it just says insert hands, remove hands. If they're reliant on very precise speeds in and out that no one can possibly know or measure then it doesn't get more stupid than that.

      So Mr High and Mighty, with the world of idiocy these poor things have to live in, if you consider that an entire building of software engineers and analysts with degree in mathematics (some of whom had phds) can't get them to work, have you stopped to consider you're perhaps the person displaying idiocy in believing a product that doesn't work based on it's own instructions of insert, and remove works without getting supposedly very precise measurements of speed and timing right?

      And no, your No True Dyson fallacy doesn't come into play here, because yes, it's an official Dyson. Thankfully though none of it really much matters because no one has to (or every really does) use it anymore because like just about everywhere else these things have been installed there are also now paper towels which are far more efficient, and as per TFA, don't splatter germs everywhere. It's a shame they're not particularly environmentally friendly but until someone designs something that actually works, rather than merely pretends to work, I guess it's what we're stuck with.

      People far smarter than you (or I) can't get these things to work right, but even if you were right that ability to get these things to work coupled equates to intellectual capacity, then you've still got the fundamental problem of the fact that it's not fit for purpose - anyone has to be able to use these things and so whatever your arbitrary definition of idiocy, my definition of an idiot is someone who defends a product that must be useable by everyone, but can't be used right by almost anyone, no matter where they sit on the scale of actual intellectual capacity, and I suspect most people would agree with that definition.

      You may believe yourself a genius for cracking the secret code of making these things work, but you'll still always be an idiot if you believe that something that should be simple but isn't and yet must be useable by anyone (even people with learning disabilities) is a good product.

    92. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Secondly, my mechanical door closer isn't proposed, it's a common device fitted to very many doors in commercial settings. I'm honestly surprised you seem to not know about them."

      I know all about them, I know that they slow a door opening enough to prevent you simply walking through them as if they're not even there as you described, I know people opening them with their feet have a tendency to still kick them open (most only slow down door closing to stop them slamming, not door opening) with a high force, I also know that they're prone to breaking.

      "I'm not, but if you think having germs on your elbow is as bad as having them on your hands, then, frankly you're an idiot. Example: after scrubbing up, doctors turn off the taps with an elbow frequently not their hands because having germs there is much less bad."

      Oh I see, because when the flu virus is on your elbow it's like "Ah I'm on an elbow, therefore I will not attack when I'm deposited somewhere someone may place their hands!". Are you actually fucking serious? It doesn't matter where germs end up on the human body, if that area is likely to come into contact with a place where hands will touch then the effect is exactly the same.

      Surgeons use their elbows to operate taps because the taps are regularly cleaned and sterilised and their hands are covered in shit. Due to the fact they're sterilised there are no germs to get on their fucking elbows, that's kind of the whole point. They're not using their hands at all precisely because they don't want to transfer germs. They're not turning the taps on with bloodied hands, and then leaving them covered in blood only to turn them off with their elbows and get blood or whatever else all over their elbows because according to you elbows are magical germ repellent devices.

      You really really haven't stepped out into reality ever have you? Jesus fucking christ, germs going easy on people because they're on elbows rather than hands is an actual thing you believe? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

    93. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I know all about them, I know that they slow a door opening enough to prevent you simply walking through them as if they're not even there as you described,

      I think you misinterpreted what I said. I'm talking about using them in the *normal* way, i.e. walking up to them then pushing them open. Like million upon millions of people do every day.

      I know people opening them with their feet have a tendency to still kick them open (most only slow down door closing to stop them slamming, not door opening) with a high force,

      Well, the springiness tends to slow them down a bit and stops them flying open all the way to the stop. The good commercial grade ones make the opening and closing smoother. Millions of people manage to use these every day without getting a door to the face.

      I also know that they're prone to breaking.

      Good job an electric door opener would be less prone to breaking then. Like all things, shitty products wil break. That applies equally to your proposed electric door and the existing mechanisms.

      Oh I see, because when the flu virus is on your elbow it's like "Ah I'm on an elbow, therefore I will not attack when I'm deposited somewhere someone may place their hands!". Are you actually fucking serious? It doesn't matter where germs end up on the human body, if that area is likely to come into contact with a place where hands will touch then the effect is exactly the same.

      emphasis mine to show what a nutcase you are. liklelihood is in fact the key. Germs on the elbow have to go from elbot to surface to hands to mucose membranes before they die (around an hour in many cases) as opposed to from the hands to the mucose membranes.

      If you think those are equialent risk levels, then please please never go into risk management.

      I know you dont actually think they're equivalent because you don't, for example, wash your elbows before eating lunch, you only wash your hands. But for some reason you keep on insisting they are the same even though not even you act like it.

      Surgeons use their elbows to operate taps because the taps are regularly cleaned and sterilised and their hands are covered in shit. Due to the fact they're sterilised there are no germs to get on their fucking elbows

      So why not turn off the taps with their hands then? Possible, there's management of different risk categories.

      They're not using their hands at all precisely because they don't want to transfer germs.

      Yes exactly!

      They're not turning the taps on with bloodied hands

      You should learn to read too. I said "scrub up". That's what they do BEFORE surgery. If their hands are covered in blood at the scrub up stage, then something has gone dreadfully wrong.

      Jesus fucking christ, germs going easy on people because they're on elbows rather than hands is an actual thing you believe?

      When was the last time you picked up somwthing in your elbows and put it in your mouth? I cannot believe that there is something so badly wrong with your brain that you believe that bacteria on different body parts is completely equivalent from a hygeine point of view.

      Do you sterilise your asshole before eating dinner too?

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    94. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you know why they're called Airblades.

    95. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      My guess is that they are talking about this model:

      http://www.dyson.com/hand-drye...

      which is the one I have seen around. I don't exactly have big hands, but I can't see how you would touch the unit to use it unless you have some advanced Parkinson's going on.

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    96. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The air runs through a Hepa filter before blowing on you, and you just washed your hands, where are the bacteria coming from? This study had people dipping their hands in a virus solution, then using the air dryer. I suppose people might piss all over their hands then dry them off, but that isn't exactly the intended use of the hand dryers.

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    97. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You do realize you are supposed to wash your hands before using the hand dryer don't you?

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    98. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Overspray from flushing toilets enters through the outlet, not the inlet. Plus, the air turbulence created by the decice blows already-airborne bacteria and bacterua from nearby surfaces at the user. Then, there's the doorknob you have to touch on the way out, right after the guy who didn't wash, at which point... why did you bother washing? If you had a paper towel, all of that would ba avoided.

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    99. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by wintered · · Score: 1

      its all bollox. if you've washed your hands properly there will be no germs to spread.

      It's estimated that only 5% of people wash their hands properly. I think we still have a problem.

    100. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      "When was the last time you picked up somwthing in your elbows and put it in your mouth?"

      Are you really still incapable of understanding the simple concept of elbows going places hands go and hence transferring germs onto people's hands? I understand you probably think you're the only person in the world, but let me try again step by step to see if you can figure it out yet:

      1) Person places elbow on non-sterile place, gets germs on elbow

      2) Person rests elbow on escalator where others put their hands

      3) Person walks to dining area, places elbows against chair and table where people also place hands

      4) People who touch areas infected by elbow eat or otherwise touch their mouths and transfer infection into mouth

      I can only assume you're repeated inability to grasp the fact that elbows aren't a solution because they still result in transfer to other people is a product of your narcissistic selfishness where you believe you're the only human being that matters.

      I'll give you a hint, you really don't.

    101. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Are you still incapable of understanting that the process of transfer from elbow to surface to hand to mucose membrane must necessarily be less effcetive at germ transfer than the last two steps alone?

      If you don't understand it, please engage your brain until you do.

      If you do understand it then congratulations you have now realised why germs on almost any other body part than your hand are less bad than germs on the hand.

      I can only assume you're repeated inability to grasp the fact that elbows aren't a solution because they still result in transfer to other people is a product of your narcissistic selfishness where you believe you're the only human being that matters

      And again you failed to answer the question. Do you wash your elbows during the day? If not, then congratulations, by your own reckoning you are narcissistic.

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    102. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Are you still incapable of understanting that the process of transfer from elbow to surface to hand to mucose membrane must necessarily be less effcetive at germ transfer than the last two steps alone?"

      Neither of which are as effective as simply eliminating much contact with areas of high likelihood of germ transfer in the first place, which was my original point that you've so succesfully diverged from simply because you can't accept that this is an obvious fact.

      "And again you failed to answer the question. Do you wash your elbows during the day? If not, then congratulations, by your own reckoning you are narcissistic."

      Obviously not, because I don't need to, because I'm not dipping them in areas of high likelihood of contamination, which again, was exactly the point, that you seem to have so succesfully diverg... oh never mind. You're clearly just too dumb to get it.

    103. Re:Yes, but it's a Dyson by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Neither of which are as effective as simply eliminating much contact with areas of high likelihood of germ transfer in the first place

      That still doesn't make your claim that they are equally as bad correct.

      The door-opening-out thing solves 99% of the problem with 1% of the effort and expense and is less likely to break. See my original question about java frameworks.

      Obviously not, because I don't need to, because I'm not dipping them in areas of high likelihood of contamination

      If's funny how you admit that likelihood plays a role when it comes to you but refuse to accept the arguments when it comes to me. It's almost like you have a massive case of double standards. Likelihood matters.

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    104. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      So how are they slinging shit around, unless someone sat on one and performed a wet runny colon evacuation?

      Someone is letting their emotions ("disgust response", specifically) interfere with their rationality.

      But hey, I've earned a living working with biohazard material, and still routinely work with moderately radioactive material and explosives. I take appropriate precautions. Not excessive precautions.

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    105. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      the traditional hand blowers we already knew were worse than paper towels.

      THAT's the thing that people should be aware of - the hand blowers (technically the "sack half the toilet attendants, because they don't need to fill up the paper towel dispensers any more" machines) were shown to throw significant amounts of skin flakes (and attendant bacteria) around in the 1990s, and to do so far more than paper towels. Consequently, in a public wash room, one bad hand washer (90% + of people are bad (ineffective) at hand washing) will spread their colonic bacteria around into the air, walls and flat surfaces of the wash room in a matter of minutes, and it will persist until the next time the room is deep-cleaned (who cleans the ceiling?). In a less public setting, you've got more control.

      All that said, the epidemic of people dropping dead of "shit in the lung" accurately estimates the true risk. I've not heard of a single case. Probably because we've all been getting shit in our mouths since we were able to put our fingers into our mouths. Our immune systems are actually not too bad at common shit like this.

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    106. Re: Yes, but it's a Dyson by hattig · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but after soaping up your hands, you rinse them off.

  2. On the other hand... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

    It actually gets my hands dry, unlike traditional air dryers ("press button, wipe hands on pants").

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    1. Re:On the other hand... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny
    2. Re:On the other hand... by Quirkz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dry, cold, and as soon as you turn and open the door handle without a paper towel, re-contaminated. Plus you're half deaf from the noise.

    3. Re:On the other hand... by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1, Informative

      You may be interested in the TEDx talk "How to use a paper towel". Sounds stupid, right? Tons of people actually use those flimsy public restroom paper towels very inefficiently, so it's actually pretty informative.

    4. Re:On the other hand... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there a TEDx talk, "How to make paper towels magically appear"? Or have you never used a restroom where they only have the dryers?

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    5. Re:On the other hand... by jordanjay29 · · Score: 4, Funny

      WHAT?!

    6. Re:On the other hand... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Is that the one where the guy admits that he has done absolutely no research and just makes the whole thing up?

    7. Re:On the other hand... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:On the other hand... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I had no idea Howard Hughes was still alive and posting on the Internet.

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    9. Re:On the other hand... by blazer1024 · · Score: 2

      I like those Excel XLERATOR hand dryers that are capable of launching a small child into orbit (or several feet into the bathroom floor)

    10. Re:On the other hand... by Phronesis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is that the one where the guy admits that he has done absolutely no research and just makes the whole thing up?

      For TED talks, that doesn't exactly narrow it down.

    11. Re:On the other hand... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Is there only one? :) I used to watch a lot of the TED talks but then they started shoving so many of the TEDx talks on the podcast feed that I got sick of the crap that was coming through. There's two or three TEDx events in my city every year. They've diluted their brand so much that just about anyone who wants to can find an event to talk at. And while I know that TED != TEDx they've blurred the line by mixing talks from the two in with their podcast feed. At least they used to be together. It's been a few years since I've lost interest in the talks.

    12. Re: On the other hand... by chaboud · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just stand by the door and wait for someone else to come in... Never costs me more than a few hours...

    13. Re: On the other hand... by chaboud · · Score: 1

      I talked with someone who was bragging about her boyfriend having given a TED talk... Then I spoke with him, and it was rather obvious that he had given a TEDx talk...

      Better that than teaching in an official capacity, I guess...

    14. Re: On the other hand... by chaboud · · Score: 2

      You know, if you hold your hands just right under those, you can make fart noises with your palms.

      Seriously... Not a joke.

    15. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, if it was hughes he would have been more enraged by not bottling your own piss.

    16. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    17. Re:On the other hand... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Wipe your hands on the curtains. If by some chance Tony Randall cusses you out about it, then wipe your hands on his shirt.

    18. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It never does work though.

    19. Re: On the other hand... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I always wondered why bathroom doors open inward. Shouldn't they open outward? You pull open the door with your dirty hands as you enter, do your business and wash up, and as you exit you can push open the door with your foot to avoid touching anything touched by people who didn't wash up.

    20. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I always wondered why bathroom doors open inward.

      Simple economy. The room a door needs to open, is wasted. So you want to waste cheap room. Extra space in the bathroom is not worth much. Extra space outside depends on what is there. Sometimes you can't spend space in a corridor. Fire regulations demands a minimum width not to be obstructed by opening doors. And corridors are overhead, so they're built to minimum width already. There is an assumption that busy people sometimes run in corridors. Open a door suddenly, and a runner may smash into the edge and file a lawsuit about his broken nose. If the door opens into a bigger room, you want any extra space to be used for coffee machines or advertising or something, not opening doors.

    21. Re:On the other hand... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Even within TED itself they diluted the brand years ago by letting people buy in to make it part of their book tours.

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    22. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, at a former workplace I always opened the door with my foot while exiting the bathroom. The non-optimal door opening sequence (push to enter, pull to exit) may be due blindly copying how retail store doors work.

    23. Re: On the other hand... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or just get rid of the door and have a little corridor with a bend in it so that you can't see in. That has the added bonus of allowing some air flow so the place doesn't get too ripe.

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    24. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor guy who comes in and sees you standing there like the girl from The Ring.

    25. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they should open outwards, for the same reason that the business's outside doors have to open outwards: fire. Ever been trapped in a bathroom when a big fire broke out? Nobody can pull the door inwards because they're afraid to touch the handle. Everyone dies horribly.

    26. Re: On the other hand... by WallyL · · Score: 1

      No, doors are good to minimize sound pollution.

    27. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your opening the door doesn't cream a texting-walker in the face; Our Lowes has a toe-pull mounted on the lavatory door, so you stop in front of the door and get creamed in the face by someone coming in.

    28. Re:On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, mostly it's the shaking. I've tried his technique with and without the shaking. Without the shaking, the folding accomplishes very little.

    29. Re:On the other hand... by phorm · · Score: 1

      The bathrooms at my office have these, which seem to be a pretty smart idea. I wish they were everywhere.

    30. Re: On the other hand... by phorm · · Score: 1

      And air pollution. If somebody drops a bomb you don't want it leaking out into the adjacent electronics section, food court, etc.
      Proper ventilation and air circulation are important, but generally you want that taking it somewhere other than the next room.

    31. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same reason that doors to pretty much every room open inward: you don't want people kicking doors open into hallways where other people are walking through.

    32. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Building code. The door can only swing outward if there is enough space (here, six feet).

    33. Re:On the other hand... by Ginguin · · Score: 1

      They also scare the ever-loving crap out toddlers. They won't get near them because they are so smegging loud. If there isn't an alternative to the noise-cannon (e.g. paper towels), you're walking out of a bathroom with wet hands and frightened little people. Even worse... how do you dry anything other than your hands if that is the only option? Have you never had to quickly dry a spot on your shirt, rinse your face, etc.? You're screwed if the airblade is the only thing available.

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    34. Re: On the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just get rid of the door and have a little corridor with a bend in it so that you can't see in

      Then any rapist perv could just waltz right in! It seems we should probably pass some law to protect us from this.

    35. Re: On the other hand... by ssufficool · · Score: 1

      Who is walking by a bathroom to peek at weeners anyway? My guess it is someone who could walk in in the first place.

      So no doors, just urinals in the hallways. Yes you will get the occasional weirdo who drops his pants to the floor, but, well... just butt.

      IT'S THE FUTURE BABY!

    36. Re: On the other hand... by blazer1024 · · Score: 1

      I have to try this!

    37. Re:On the other hand... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --XLERATOR hand dryers FTW. I love those things.

      / dyson is obviously a poor alternative

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  3. It says it on the thing! by pchasco · · Score: 2

    But... But... It's the "world's most hygienic hand dryer!" It says it right on the thing!

    1. Re:It says it on the thing! by aliquis · · Score: 5, Funny

      But... But... It's the "world's most hygienic hand dryer!" It says it right on the thing!

      It is.

      All the germs which were on your hands are now up to 3 meters away from you.

    2. Re:It says it on the thing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But... But... It's the "world's most hygienic hand dryer!" It says it right on the thing!

      It is.

      All the germs which were on your hands are now up to 3 meters away from you.

      I am putting together a kickstarter for a hand dryer that uses Gamma rays to both dry and disinfect your hands, though I am still working out how to keep the users from going blind. Perhaps a nice set of fashionable , 3 ft thick lead glasses.

    3. Re:It says it on the thing! by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      On the person waiting to use it after you.

    4. Re: It says it on the thing! by chaboud · · Score: 1

      What will you use to keep users from going dead?

    5. Re:It says it on the thing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's their problem.

    6. Re: It says it on the thing! by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      No need. Just blow away the corpses with a Dyson Airblade.

    7. Re: It says it on the thing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or turning green and destroying everything.

    8. Re: It says it on the thing! by aliquis · · Score: 1

      What will you use to keep users from going dead?

      Why would you ever want to do that?

    9. Re:It says it on the thing! by brantondaveperson · · Score: 2

      "Germs" are everywhere. Relax, my friend.

    10. Re:It says it on the thing! by spauldo · · Score: 2

      It's also the world's messiest urinal.

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    11. Re:It says it on the thing! by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

      That's so middle class. Rolls Royce makes a hand dryer that blows germs a minimum of 8 meters away from you.

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    12. Re: It says it on the thing! by RuffMasterD · · Score: 2

      Hey, everyone dies. This is a *hand drier*, not the fountain for eternal fucking youth and immortality. Got it?

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    13. Re:It says it on the thing! by BigZee · · Score: 1
      I've read enough now.

      You're supposed to use the drier AFTER you've washed your hands. In other words, you've just washed with soap and water and therefore have no germs on your hand to be blown around the room. Maybe I'm wrong and some people use the driers between using the loo and washing there hands but I certainly don't.

    14. Re:It says it on the thing! by iceaxe · · Score: 1

      I am putting together a kickstarter for a hand dryer that uses Gamma rays to both dry and disinfect your hands, though I am still working out how to keep the users from going blind. Perhaps a nice set of fashionable , 3 ft thick lead glasses.

      Thus leading to the Hulk hands issue previously noted.

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  4. Of course it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never mind all the other factors. I have small hands and they still touch the sides. I am sure the prototypes had more clearance, but when it came to manufacture them...

    1. Re:Of course it does by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and when you're president you're going to fix that too and make Dyson pay for it, right?

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  5. Damn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Sheldon was right?!

  6. I dunno about you... by richy+freeway · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I tend to wash my hands instead of dunking them in vats of bacteria before drying them, whichever method of drying I use.

    1. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the person who only rinses their hands and then uses one of these spreads whatever was on their hands all over the place.

    2. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, a meatbag that is not crawling with virus... now THAT would be something to write home to Mom about

    3. Re:I dunno about you... by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Washing your hands doesn't remove all the bacteria and viruses. Unless you dip your hand in an alcohol based lotion that kills germs, then you spread dead germs with the Dyson hand dryer. Most industrial soap lotions found in public WC do not kill germs. They help to dissolve dirt on your hands in water, at most.

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    4. Re:I dunno about you... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

      I'm likewise confused. Am I failing to observe a massive contingent of people that choose not to wash their hands but nonetheless place their hands in the dryer anyway? Further, why do I care if the people that opt to not wash their hands pick up germs in addition to the feces they just smeared on the bathroom door from the people that chose to dry unwashed hands.

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    5. Re:I dunno about you... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the person who only rinses their hands and then uses one of these spreads whatever was on their hands all over the place.

      The person who only rinses his hands after going to the bathroom should not be allowed to mix with the rest of us. If you don't have some skin disease that prevents you from using soap, then please wash your goddamn hands.

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    6. Re:I dunno about you... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      What about the pool of water at the bottom of the Dyson dryers? Some of that water gets blown around. That water must contain lots of bacteria.

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    7. Re:I dunno about you... by pr0fessor · · Score: 5, Informative

      Honestly my junk is probably cleaner than my hands it's been locked up in clean underwear while my hands have handled money and all kind of other unsanitary things. Wash your hands before you take a whiz.

    8. Re:I dunno about you... by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then please stock the bathrooms with an unscented soap rather than the stuff that smells worse than the poop and lingers longer.

    9. Re:I dunno about you... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Honestly my junk is probably cleaner than my hands it's been locked up in clean underwear while my hands have handled money and all kind of other unsanitary things. Wash your hands before you take a whiz.

      My life coach told me that urine is sterile, so i just take a whiz on my hands.

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    10. Re:I dunno about you... by swb · · Score: 1

      I've been in more than one public restroom where it's been outright obvious they have thinned the marginally effective soap with water. Either because they're cheap or the person who "fills the soap" just doesn't give a shit.

    11. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you kill everything living on your skin anyway? Many of those guys are your friends.

    12. Re:I dunno about you... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does it get sucked up from the floor and onto my hands? Is there evidence that it atomizes and is breathable? The Dyson's (or any other hand dryer) part in the water on the floor is no different than what happens after someone shakes their hands off following washing (rinsing) their hands.

      As far as I can tell this is a purposely misleading study intended to create FUD and boost paper towel sales. This study demonstrates that if you place wet, dirty hands into the dryer (who does that?), that dirt (germs) will be blown off your hands and splatter up to 3m away. It does not show that the Dyson produces atomized water particles containing germs in the air. Nor does it show that the hands of the person whom just washed and dried them are more ladened with germs than the other methods. This study would be a concern if you planned on licking the bathroom floor and adjacent wall space. That not really my hobby interest.

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    13. Re:I dunno about you... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It almost always is - the exception is if you have a urinary tract infection. It can be used as an emergency antiseptic.

    14. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been in more than one public restroom where it's been outright obvious they have thinned the marginally effective soap with water. Either because they're cheap or the person who "fills the soap" just doesn't give a shit.

      OH MY GOD!!!!!!!11!!!

      Soap, with WATER! How could anyone wash their hands with THAT!!!!!!

    15. Re:I dunno about you... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      It doesn't have to be an either or situation. The management could be cheap and the person "filling" the soap could not give a shit.

    16. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, generally your own urine won't give you any disease you don't already have. If you've got something serious and transmitted via body fluids, keep em to yourself.

    17. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then please stock the bathrooms with an unscented soap rather than the stuff that smells worse than the poop and lingers longer.

      Right?

      A bit off topic, but what is the fascination with putting horrid perfume in everything? I usually get unscented laundry detergent because I don't want my clothes to smell like "fresh rain" or some other bullshit, even though all of the unscented detergent is marketed as being for "sensitive skin". As if the only reason someone wouldn't want their clothes to reek of perfume is because they're feeble and overly sensitive.

      Thankfully, that's not an issue anymore because the detergent companies have discovered some new hypoallergenic perfumes, so now even the sensitive gimps can don some foul-stinking duds.

    18. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It almost always is - the exception is if you have a urinary tract infection. It can be used as an emergency antiseptic.

      A sterile liquid isn't an antiseptic. It can help displacing some amount of bacteria (and water being a universal solvent, it does help more than most people give it credit for, although soap is for sure needed in most situations), but that's it.

      The problem with urine is that it's not just sterile (in most cases). It's also full of nutritive components, and it's warm too, making it an ideal bacterial growth medium.

      (And when a guy touches his penis, he can easily come into contact with precum, which is less sterile, and can transmit STDs if infected, including in some cases as an asymptomatic and undiagnosed carrier...).

      If you have urine on your hands, you will ease bacterial growth on them and everything you touch for hours.

      The "pee is clean so I don't need to wash my hands, you're just a clean freak with a sexuality complex!" idea is very typical of superficial thinking by phony skeptics...

      (Intimacy is not a complex either... Trying to force one's one intimacy on others, is, though...).

      You should clean your hand both before and after going to the toilets.

    19. Re:I dunno about you... by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      Does it get sucked up from the floor and onto my hands?

      My own unscientific observations show that it gets blown around. Does it get atomized such that it could be breathed in? I don't know, but I think that it is a significant concern that someone should investigate.

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    20. Re:I dunno about you... by Saanvik · · Score: 5, Informative

      Washing your hands without soap at all is quite effective, assuming you do a reasonable job at it. See The Effect of Handwashing at Recommended Times with Water Alone and With Soap on Child Diarrhea in Rural Bangladesh: An Observational Study. Any soap will make the hand washing more effective. Anti-bacterial soap is no better than standard soap.

    21. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      Urine doesn't have any antiseptic properties, there is no evidence it can disinfect a wound. Urine was believed to be sterile, but we now know this isn't true. The urethra has gram negative bacteria lining its walls and we have identified many types of bacteria such as lactobacillus, streptococcus, and staphylococcus in the bladder of healthy adults without urinary track infections.

    22. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A life coach spreading woo.

    23. Re:I dunno about you... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      The Dyson's (or any other hand dryer) part in the water on the floor is no different than what happens after someone shakes their hands off following washing (rinsing) their hands.

      Reading your post again, I see that you have misunderstood my post. I am referring to water that pools *within* the Dyson hand dryer and hence is much closer to the high-speed air that is blown by the dryer. I am not discussing water that is on the floor.

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    24. Re:I dunno about you... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      The person who only rinses his hands after going to the bathroom should not be allowed to mix with the rest of us.

      Jeez, what do you do with the people who don't wash/rinse AT ALL? (I see plenty of them..)

    25. Re:I dunno about you... by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Yep, generally your own urine won't give you any disease you don't already have. If you've got something serious and transmitted via body fluids, keep em to yourself.

      I'm not sure there are any diseases transmitted via urine. It's the microscopic pieces of faeces and other bodily fluids like blood, semen, and phlegm that cause all the problems. Urine is pretty sterile and will likely kill most things it comes in contact with so if you really want to be safe then pee all over the seat before you sit down.

    26. Re:I dunno about you... by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Urine was believed to be sterile, but we now know this isn't true.

      It's not that urine is sterile is that it's alot more sterile than what is available in the wild. It also tends to have a more similar PH and salt level to your body so if you're in the wild or in a battlefield and your only choice to sterilize some stitches is between dirty river water and urine then it's better to choose urine but if you have sterile saline or bottled water then by all means use the water.

    27. Re:I dunno about you... by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you but I don't piss on my hands when I urinate

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    28. Re:I dunno about you... by LiENUS · · Score: 2

      Wash your hands before you take a whiz.

      I learned this the hard way making a bonfire when someone gave me wood covered in poison ivy that I couldn't see due to it being dark.

    29. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Damn right, you can tell someone is a microbiologist as they wash their hands before going to the toilet.

    30. Re:I dunno about you... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you but I don't piss on my hands when I urinateDo you piss on other people's hands when you urinate?

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    31. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you but I don't piss on my hands when I urinate

      Do you also not collect any sweat in your groin area? Do you not touch anything in the bathroom? Also, a good question for people who don't wash their hands when they go to the bathroom: when do you wash your hands? If you don't do it when you go to the bathroom, is the answer never?

    32. Re:I dunno about you... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Urine is sterile. It's one of the few things biologically that has absolutely no bacteria in it (as long as you don't have a bladder infection that is). Now it won't remain that way once it's out of your body as it's stuff bacteria absolutely love to eat. But it is 100% sterile, right up until bacteria contact it and start multiplying because it's full of nutrients. So it probably would clean your hands for a few microseconds until the bacteria start growing like mad from all the food. I'm sure dipping your hands in pure sugar (also sterile) would clean them as well for a few seconds until the bacteria start growing from all the food.

    33. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Anti-bacterial soap is no better than standard soap.

      It may have been better at one time, but now that everything is anti-bacterial anymore, any bacteria you run across nowadays is resistant.

    34. Re:I dunno about you... by Livius · · Score: 1

      Maybe not the floor but clearly it is sucked from somewhere.

    35. Re: I dunno about you... by wynterx · · Score: 0

      This. It's an interesting study but not done in real world conditions so ultimately pointless.

    36. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh, I was surprised at the last big office I worked in by the number of highly-paid, suit-wearing, professional men who avoided the taps after visiting the stalls or cubicles. It continued during the time when hand-washing instructions were posted on the walls because of a bird flu scare.. This wasn't a detailed survey and I don't know if women are similarly scuzzy

    37. Re:I dunno about you... by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      A place I worked in had a faulty soap dispenser above one of the basins. The soap would just drip, drip, drip into the sink and then the cleaners would replace it with a new bottle, possibly wondering why this one was used so much more than the others. After weeks of that I took the dispenser apart and fixed it (thanks, Swiss Army Knife).

    38. Re:I dunno about you... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      That was pretty funny :)

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    39. Re: I dunno about you... by Buck+Feta · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between "sterile" and "sterilizing".

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    40. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anti-bacterial soap will harden the creatures, so is better by magic and wishful thinking.

    41. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL at 'Child Diaorrhaea in Rural Bangladesh' - I just can't imagine why it's so prevalent? Could it possibly be anything to do with the PEOPLE who live there?

    42. Re:I dunno about you... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Even worse than bad smelling soap is nice smelling stuff. If I go to a fancy restaurant or an expensive whisky bar, I expect to be able to taste the expensive food and drink. If the hand raising the fork or glass to my mouth smell or orange, cardamom and aloe, I cannot taste your food.

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    43. Re:I dunno about you... by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      You're being melodramatic.

      Back in the olden days people never used to wash their hands and they still had a pretty good chance of making it to 40 as long as they survived the first couple of years.

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    44. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "he can easily come into contact with precum" How? Are you constantly jizzing your pants and is your penis covered in a layer of it or something? Assuming reasonable personal hygiene, the skin of your penis isn't any worse than that of your hands.
      (By the way, urine is too salty and has too high an ammonia content to be an attractive growth medium for most bacteria. It has even been used as a disinfectant and antiseptic in the past although I shudder at the thought.)

    45. Re:I dunno about you... by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Detergents are the opposite of sun cream: most people use more than they need.

      Watering it down in the dispensers so that people waste less of it does not seem unreasonable to me, especially as detergent in the water has an environmental cost.

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    46. Re:I dunno about you... by rizole · · Score: 1

      Dude! You needed a life coach to teach you to whiz on your hands? Man I learnt that stuff at school.

    47. Re:I dunno about you... by fropenn · · Score: 1

      Unless you scrub like a surgeon you're not getting all of the bacteria off of your hands through normal washing. Try some Glo Germ http://www.glogerm.com/ and see how well you really do.

    48. Re:I dunno about you... by fropenn · · Score: 1

      Your hands don't get completely cleaned through normal washing procedures. This is why they don't use the Dyson Airblades before surgery.

    49. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Washing your hands without soap at all is quite effective, assuming you do a reasonable job at it. See The Effect of Handwashing at Recommended Times with Water Alone and With Soap on Child Diarrhea in Rural Bangladesh: An Observational Study. Any soap will make the hand washing more effective. Anti-bacterial soap is no better than standard soap.

      Maybe I'm misreading it, but your statement is incredibly misleading. Yes, washing with water alone is better than nothing, but is definitely not "quite effective."

      According to your quoted study, the Odds Radio of diarrhea are:
      No washing: .78
      Water washing: .67
      Soap washing: .30

    50. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Dyson's (or any other hand dryer) part in the water on the floor is no different than what happens after someone shakes their hands off following washing (rinsing) their hands.

      Not true. Ignoring that this wasn't what the previous poster was talking about, typical dryers concentrate this water in one spot. Take a look at the wall under an XLERATOR sometime; if there isn't a large piece of plastic or some other kind of plate protecting the wall, it will have the highest concentration of mildew in the bathroom. When you shake off your hands, the water goes in multiple directions. A high power dryer will blow it all in the same direction. And an air blade will have a pool of standing water collecting inside it.

    51. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been frequent times when I've wash my hands before touching my junk, it's a matter of priorities.

    52. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Urine isn't sterile. That was based off one old and flawed study. The study was redone recently (but they only used women) and urine was found to be very much not sterile (at least 21+ female urine, maybe baby urine is sterile). Though its much safer than shit.

      I'm fairly certain the study was posted on Slashdot and/or SoylentNews.

    53. Re:I dunno about you... by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      Neighbor: Roy, can you get sick drinkin' piss?

      Roy: I think you can.

      Neighbor: Even if it's your own?

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    54. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. The bacterial funk growing all over your sweaty 'nads told me so.

    55. Re:I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should clean your hand both before and after going to the toilets.

      I do neither and I'm very healthy despite it.

    56. Re:I dunno about you... by Saanvik · · Score: 1

      You've misquoted the data. The .78 is washing one hand only with water. The baseline, not washing, is 1.00.

      Washing without soap decreases the spread of that particular illness by a third. That's quite effective. As I said, any soap will make it better, in the study I linked to using soap decreased it another third beyond washing without soap.

    57. Re: I dunno about you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped reading when you said, "the problem with urine is it's just not sterile (in most cases)"

      Nonsense

    58. Re:I dunno about you... by sjames · · Score: 1

      True. All in all, I suppose as a principle I shouldn't be able to smell my hands.

    59. Re:I dunno about you... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Personally, I like the smell of clean cotton. Of course, those perfumes don't actually smell anything like what they're supposed to IMHO.

  7. But they're so cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I give rave reviews about the local grocery store, the number one thing I talk about is the awesome airblade hand dryers.

    (Luckily they are usually used by people that have just washed their hands with soap and water. People aren't using them to dry off their hands dripping with toilet water)

  8. You can feel the water on your face by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Typically when the dryer starts up, I can feel a fine spray of water hit me in the face. I avoid these dryers now, even if it means using my pant legs to dry my hands.

    At least the old fashioned blow dryers that take forever to dry your hands don't direct a spray of water into your face.

    1. Re:You can feel the water on your face by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Mitsubishi make a similar device, but the angle of the air jets stops the upward spray, and they ramp up instead of going to 100% instantly.

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    2. Re:You can feel the water on your face by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I avoid these dryers now, even if it means using my pant legs to dry my hands.

      Or, you can just do like me and dry your hands on someone else's pant leg.

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    3. Re:You can feel the water on your face by kheldan · · Score: 2

      They have this at one of the gym locations I go to. There's always a puddle of water on the floor right below the thing.

      Guess I'm bringing a hand towel with me from home from now on, in addtion to the gym towel I usually bring. It's got to be at least as 'green' to wash and re-use a hand towel as it is to use a blowing-air hand dryer.

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    4. Re:You can feel the water on your face by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bathrooms need to replace these damn air blades with a pair of jeans hanging on the wall.

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    5. Re:You can feel the water on your face by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because the air 'scrapes' the water off of your hands (which you can see/feel).. You didn't actually think it was making all of the water evaporate instantly, did you?

    6. Re:You can feel the water on your face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rofl

    7. Re:You can feel the water on your face by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Typically when the dryer starts up, I can feel a fine spray of water hit me in the face. I avoid these dryers now, even if it means using my pant legs to dry my hands.

      At least the old fashioned blow dryers that take forever to dry your hands don't direct a spray of water into your face.

      Yea but the old fashioned ones are great at spewing microbes all over your hands too. When I was in college the "Go swab the bathrooms" was a standard experiment for the 101 microbio classes. The instructor made sure we ran a plate under the hand dryer. The results were an eye opener. The big issue is that no one ever cleans the damn things after they are installed. Most have filters but they are not maintained. So bacteria builds up over time and sets up home in them. Two decades later and I still avoid them whenever possible.

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    8. Re:You can feel the water on your face by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      The newer models us super-heated plasma, although there are some issues with flesh coming off with the water....

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    9. Re:You can feel the water on your face by kheldan · · Score: 1

      The capacity of the average Slashdotter to be painfully pedantic somehow never ceases to amaze me. Of course I didn't, I was commenting on one of the design flaws in the damned thing. I'd just as soon they went back to paper towels.

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    10. Re:You can feel the water on your face by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

      At least it's water from some freshly-washed hands, unlike whatever is on the door handle.

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    11. Re:You can feel the water on your face by hawguy · · Score: 1

      At least it's water from some freshly-washed hands, unlike whatever is on the door handle.

      Your coworkers must be a lot more diligent than mine, I don't think I've every see anyone scrub their hands for a full 20 seconds before rinsing. And I've seen some just do a rinse without any soap at all.

      I don't think that water is as clean as you think it is.

  9. It is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All germs are off your hands and into the environment. There is no free lunch, my friend.

  10. I'ts been called the world's worst urinal in jest by enjar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Evidently, that's not a joke any longer. As James Dyson says,

    "Like everyone we get frustrated by products that don’t work properly. As design engineers we do something about it."

  11. Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Shouldn't the premise for testing hand dryers be that the hands are washed with soap and are "clean" but wet? If we taint the water itself and measure how far that spreads, is that really a realistic test of how hygienic the dryer is?

    1. Re:Virus-laden water by Andreas+Mayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      If we taint the water itself and measure how far that spreads, is that really a realistic test of how hygienic the dryer is?

      No, it's not. But it makes for a better headline.

    2. Re:Virus-laden water by twotacocombo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shouldn't the premise for testing hand dryers be that the hands are washed with soap and are "clean" but wet? If we taint the water itself and measure how far that spreads, is that really a realistic test of how hygienic the dryer is?

      Last time I checked, these were usually installed in bathrooms, which are far from sterile laboratory conditions. The machine itself may be hygienic if you only dried RO/DI water off a microscope slide while holding it with tongs fresh from autoclave while wearing a hazmat suit, but lets be honest.. most people come straight from the shitter, run a little bit of water on their hands and lather soap just long enough to keep up appearances. Many people don't even use soap; the chlorine in water will get it, right? So, it'd be more realistic to test these after running your hands down your ass crack than with "clean" hands, and these are the conditions that show the true colors of the drying method in question.

      tl;dr

      a Prius may get "up to" 58 MPG, but here in the real world...

    3. Re:Virus-laden water by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      You can assume the hands were rinsed of the person is using a drier, but you can't assume they used soap.

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    4. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't the premise for testing hand dryers be that the hands are washed with soap and are "clean" but wet? If we taint the water itself and measure how far that spreads, is that really a realistic test of how hygienic the dryer is?

      You used the words 'hygienic' and 'taint' in the same sentence! Good job!

    5. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeh seriously, I put the number of people who use soap at 5% +/- 3%

    6. Re:Virus-laden water by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      a Prius may get "up to" 58 MPG, but here in the real world...

      You just reminded me of an ad I recently got saying "Save up to $800 on items starting at $398". There's a point where that technically-legal wording gets kind of ridiculous, because I'm sure they weren't going to pay me to take any of their products.

    7. Re:Virus-laden water by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      You cannot assume washed hands. You can only assume something is being inserted into the air stream.

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    8. Re:Virus-laden water by dotgain · · Score: 1

      We can't control how well people wash their hands. Most of the people you see washing their hands in the bathroom are only doing so because you saw them there, and they're merely giving their hands a cursory splish splash, in effect merely providing the bacteria with a vehicle to travel the air.

    9. Re:Virus-laden water by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      The typical person in a restroom wants to get out quickly. Thoroughly washing hands takes far too long - they probably had a quick rub with soap and a run under the tap, no more.

    10. Re:Virus-laden water by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      The premise is to make people feel better. The reality is that unless you soap your hands for 2 minutes and 30 seconds every single time you are doing next to nothing. And none of that pre foamed soap, it does nothing to reduce the waters surface tension but it does save a lot of money on soap because no one is really using any.

      You are literally covered in bacteria, viruses and other living things. They cover every square inch of your skin, they are on everything you touch and they are even all throughout your intestinal system, mouth, nose, etc. The entire point of washing your hands is to remove any pathogenic bacteria and to reduce the number of bacteria, not to eliminate them completely which short of a soak in 100% pure bleach nothing is going to eliminate them all.

      Air dryers take this to another step, so instead of washing off some of the bacteria and getting a few more with a towel when you wipe the water off the air dryer simply sprays all those bacteria across the bathroom. Your are probably 10000% more likely to end up with these bacteria in your lungs due to air dryers. I personally hate air dryers and think they are great ways to cause more infections.

    11. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No because that just lowers the probability of individual virus surviving. It just means they would have to run far far far more tests, because the infection rate would be extremely low.

      The real question here is, in the infection rate change meaningful? For example: if one person doesn't wash hands and touches door, it could be worse than 10,000 people using dyson.

      Also dysons are always known to be worse, they are done to save on cleaning and paper towel costs. Nothing else.

    12. Re: Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really believe people wash their hands properly? I mean. They post signs telling you how to do it the right way because people *don't* do it the right way. Most people don't wash their hands for 30 seconds for example. Or removing rings. Or get between fingers. Or turn off taps with paper towels. (Because there are none.)

    13. Re:Virus-laden water by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Street sweeping machines follow a similar logic: blow the dirt into someone's face when they walk by. I've noticed that in NYC the street sweepers no longer even spray water on the road before scouring it with their giant rotating brushes; no fun to be standing on the sidewalk when one of them scoots by.

    14. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't the premise for testing hand dryers be that the hands are washed with soap and are "clean" but wet? If we taint the water itself and measure how far that spreads, is that really a realistic test of how hygienic the dryer is?

      It would be... if the point of the test was to determine how far water droplets spray out, which might be a lot less then bacteria/viruses as they are a couple of thousand times smaller.

    15. Re:Virus-laden water by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The viruses in the water are just to 'tag' where the germs land (vs. germs from other sources which are found on all surfaces). And no, soap and water does not kill all the germs on your hands, hell it doesn't even kill most of them.

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    16. Re:Virus-laden water by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having measured soap consumption during stadium events for the purpose of planning logistics for the next event, we learned that the ladies bathroom used on average 72 times the soap per person than the men's bathroom. This is not an exaggeration and is based on statistics gathered across 10 events held over 10 years with 5500 attendees over a period of 5 days per event.

      We tried to explain the discrepancy without simply saying "guys are pigs" and the best we came up with was that we believe that women on average used the bathrooms over this time twice as often as guys... though unless we started scanning people entering and exiting, we can't be 100% sure about the accuracy of that.

      The end result is, no matter how we twist it, the average woman consumes 36 times as much soap in the bathroom than a man.

      As such... I wouldn't worry about the hand dryers in the ladies bathroom, but I would in the men's.

      So... then consider, men are terrible at washing their hands. They shake your hand, touch the door knobs, use your tools, etc... They will spread it EVERYWHERE!!!

      The obvious follow up is that it really doesn't make a difference and since American germiphobia is famous worldwide for Americans' terrible immune systems, maybe it's more important whether a hand dryer dries your hands than whether it spreads germs. European doctors sit in groups laughing about how American doctors can't travel to seminars because their immune systems are so damaged by anti-bacterial soaps that they spend the whole week sick in the hotel rooms.

    17. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So did you! Hooray!!

    18. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We tried to explain the discrepancy without simply saying "guys are pigs"

      Some women are wasteful. Pumping out a lot of soap, "to get cleaner stuff from deeper inside the bottle". The first few pumps is just stuff that has been staying in the spigot, which someone has touched. Dirty, so it goes straight into the sink.

    19. Re:Virus-laden water by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, I cleaned bathrooms decades ago while I had an after-school job, and quickly realized that women's bathrooms are, by far, dirtier than the men's. They were cleaned and stocked far more often as a result.

    20. Re:Virus-laden water by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Or many men don't wash their hands after using a urinal, though that does mean they won't be using the hand dryer, either...

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    21. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Females are supposed to wipe themselves every trip. Males aren't and don't have to worry about touching a dirty stall door handle. There was a study that female restrooms have more germs than male's due to women putting their purse on the floor while in the stall than putting it on the counter while using the sink. Men don't do that thus their bathroom was technically cleaner even though it smelled more due to the urinals.

    22. Re:Virus-laden water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, I cleaned bathrooms decades ago while I had an after-school job, and quickly realized that women's bathrooms are, by far, dirtier than the men's. They were cleaned and stocked far more often as a result.

      This has been my experience as well. From talking to women, it seems they only use men's bathrooms in clubs. Then I ask, aren't women's bathrooms in clubs disgusting too? They are.

    23. Re:Virus-laden water by Macdude · · Score: 1

      I would be much more concerned about the hand dryer in the lady's washroom, I bet if you look at the maintenance logs it gets used 36 times more than the one I the men's room. An unused dyson air blade is going to be a germ free dyson air blade.

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  12. I Knew I Hated Those Things For Some Damn Reason by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    That is why I go to stall and pre open door so I can grab some toilet paper to dry my hands.

  13. Re:I'ts been called the world's worst urinal in je by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would it ever be a joke? It doesn't make sense

  14. Theory Failed by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

    Tim, the Toolman's" theory of "More Power" seems to have failed in this case.

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  15. "Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by ewhac · · Score: 2

    IIRC, The Mythbusters a couple years ago tested the efficacy of air hand dryers versus paper towels, and found that paper towels were more effective and more hygienic.

  16. Dyson? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    You mean those jet-powered hand dryers that make so much noise that they give you tinnitus?

    I hate those!

    1. Re:Dyson? by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it, but they make my ears hurt, too. On the other hand, they actually work...

    2. Re:Dyson? by serbanp · · Score: 1

      You're not alone. Dyson is a crappy engineering company but with access to molding presses for nicely-colored plastic parts.

      The air blade is so badly designed that it didn't include a means to capture all the water blown off the hands; that water simply drips off the unit and on the restroom's floor. Hard to top this in terms of idiotic engineering...

  17. Not sure about your office but ... by drpimp · · Score: 1

    My anecdotal evidence has shown that men don't wash their hands often after doing their thing. That said, perhaps Dyson's numbers are much better than NOT washing your hands and using either paper or air.

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    1. Re:Not sure about your office but ... by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      I called a friend on not washing his hands. His reply was "In the Navy they teach us not to piss on our fingers".

    2. Re:Not sure about your office but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One word: overspray.

    3. Re:Not sure about your office but ... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the navy has urinals made out of sponge...

  18. Re:"Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pretty sure people didn't switch to be "more efficient", wasn't the idea to save paper ?

  19. dip in a virus, then dry? by kvn · · Score: 0

    I don't know about the rest of you, but that is NOT the protocol I follow to wash my hands.
    I use something called "soap", not a diluted virus solution.

    What a stupid study with an obvious result. Funded by the paper towel industry maybe?

    1. Re: dip in a virus, then dry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't care how you personally wash your hands. The study was to show the difference between dyson and paper so of course they soak their hands so that they can be sure to have an equal amount of virus on their hands for either test. If they would have washed their hands before then the amount of virus left on their hands would be different between each test.

  20. They touch you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never successfully used an airblade without my hands grazing one of the sides. I'm scraping off some skin cells and acquiring some from the previous guy.

    1. Re:They touch you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe cut down on the drinking?

  21. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Own one for two seconds and I defy you not to realise this.

    See that damp stain on the wall underneath? And the puddle on the floor? Yeah, you washed your hands about five times, and it looks like you've been having water fights in front of the thing.

    And then there was me who was always told that, actually, washing your hands (the process of wetting them) does little anyway. It's the drying / wiping that actually scrapes the crap off. Otherwise you literally just have a slightly damper environment for the bacteria on your hands anyway.

    There's a reason that surgeons "scrub" up. It has little to do with the water itself, which just acts as a lubricant to assist the soap (which sticks to dirt and water) in sticking to the dirt and then providing a way to know where you've washed and to remove those parts that might have captured the dirt. It's the wiping / scrubbing / vigorous rub-down that actually removes that crap from you (and onto the floor / towel / soap / sink, obviously).

    Like the Romans - who bathed in oil and then scraped it off, knowing the OIL took the dirt with it, not that smelling like a pizza for the rest of the day actually did anything in itself.

    The reason we have hand-driers is because such scrubbing in public is considered... "wrong" somehow. You can't share a towel without transfer of bacteria, and people think individual paper towel is somehow killing the planet. Like blowing your nose - don't put it in a handkerchief and carry it around with you. Wipe it off on a tissue and throw the fucking thing away.

    But, to be honest, it barely matters. Bacteria don't last long in those kinds of environments so long as they're cleaned occasionally, you can't really avoid spreading them anyway (it's not a question of some precisely contained particles - watch one of the slow-mo videos of a sneeze, it doesn't matter what you do it's like someone sneezing a handful of flour - it goes fecking everywhere, but, yes, put your hand up because it does stop quite a lot of your snot landing on someone else), and gadgets like this are quick and convenient which means more people might bother to wash their hands just to try it out.

    But if you ever used one of these, I defy you to not have seen the crap and water on the floor underneath and around it that gets blasted off everyone else's hands.

    Like all things Dyson (and Apple), half-decent idea, pretty aesthetics, fucking terrible design, but add a premium and be different and people buy it.

    1. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Drying your hands with a towel of any kind isn't what cleans your hands.

      Soap binds to the dirt AND to water. When you wash your hands the soap is effectively gluing the dirt to the water and when you rinse that water away you rinse away the dirt too.

      Washing your hands with soap and water and doing a decent job of rubbing/lathering your hands together (i.e. do it for 20 seconds or so and hit all parts of your hand) is all that is required for good sanitation in most cases. Most people don't wash their hands properly.

      You only need to 'scrub' with a brush or other implement if you need your hands _extremely_ clean or you have material on them that is not readily emulsified by soap & water. Unless you are a surgeon, you don't need your hands to be _that_ clean. You have an immune system for a reason. Give it something to do so it doesn't get bored and turn on you (allergies).

    2. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are at least two styles of airblade dryer - the one most common here in the UK is the one that catches the drips (much like the Mitsubishi and other ripoffs) - ie these http://www.dyson.com/medialibrary/Commercial_V5/Carousels/CaseStudyImages/Soldier%20Field/theproblem_thesolution_.ashx and not http://www.dyson.com/medialibrary/Commercial_V5/Carousels/V%20Image%20Sizes/Medium%20-%201000x410/Dyson_Airblade_V_products_to_buy.ashx. If you are using the former and you end up with liquid on the wall or floor you are doing it wrong!

    3. Re:Sigh. by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      people think individual paper towel is somehow killing the planet. Like blowing your nose - don't put it in a handkerchief and carry it around with you. Wipe it off on a tissue and throw the fucking thing away.

      I always get a kick out of those people. They may have have a leg to stand on at one point in time but now the paper used to make paper towels and other paper products come from tree farms; some of which use a specially bred type of tree that grows unusually fast compared to wild trees. One could even argue that tree farms offset the carbon dioxide used to harvest the trees compared to using electricity to dry your hands off. Tree farms can also have fringe benefit of providing a refuge for wildlife in between harvests.

    4. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The towels end up in landfill, where they decompose into methane which is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, meaning the effect on the atmosphere hugely outweighs the amount of CO2 removed when growing the tree in the first place.

    5. Re:Sigh. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Tree farms are not much of a refuge for wildlife. They are a mono-culture just like any other farmed crop and nature doesn't like mono-cultures. The biodiversity is nowhere near as rich as a wild wood. It's a very depressing place. A tree farm is just row upon row of the same tree. Imagine a giant sized corn field but with trees instead. There is very little natural about it.

    6. Re:Sigh. by OpinOnion · · Score: 0

      No, it's friction that does the work. Water and soap help you get into the cracks. The fact that washing your hands and using soap removes germs is not up for debate, it's a pretty solid scientific fact. Elbow grease, as they say, is how you get things clean. Dampness is not a big issue unless you stayed damp a long time (especially in a high risk environment like a bathroom), which would be odd. Things like doorknobs that are outside of the hand washing order of operations are the problem. You wash your hands then you touch that door that all the non hand washers have touches and you're right back to potentially being patient zero.

    7. Re:Sigh. by chihowa · · Score: 1

      A handkerchief is great for taking care of allergies or a profusely running nose when you don't have the luxury of a trashcan to accumulate all of the tissue garbage. If you're outdoors with a simple runny nose, but not disgusting thick illness mucus, a handkerchief is much more useful than a wet, disintegrating paper tissue (or an ever increasingly stuffed wet pocketful of them).

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    8. Re:Sigh. by Rob+Bos · · Score: 4, Informative

      CDC recommends you sneeze/cough into your elbow. Less opportunity to touch something with your germy hands.

    9. Re:Sigh. by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Soap doesn't stick to dirt. Soap sticks to grease, grease (or oil) is naturally on your hands. You are basically removing the top layer of 'grease' from your hand which contains most harmful bacteria (the layer of oils is part of your skin protection environment).

      And if you ever wonder about these Dyson's, check out a well-used one. The water pools in the bottom rusting out the entire thing.

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    10. Re:Sigh. by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      "actually scrapes the crap off"

      Dude! There's toilet paper in the stalls!

    11. Re:Sigh. by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      There's a reason that surgeons "scrub" up.

      I have always wondered why they make a big production about washing their hands when they just go and wear latex gloves anyway.

    12. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if you're outdoors in the woods where there's no garbage available. But, uhhh... then can't you throw them into the campfire? So, the benefit is reduced to the space disposable tissues take and the weight of them, neither of which is "a lot".

    13. Re:Sigh. by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 1
      The Mitsubishi is not the ripoff. It has been around since 1993. From the Dyson Airblade Wikipedia article:

      The first commercially available high-speed, horizontal-wiping air dryer was the Mitsubishi Jet Towel, invented in 1993 and available in the United States since 2005.[3] There are several technical differences among electric hand dryers, such as airspeed, water containment, energy efficiency, use of heat, type of filter, motor lifespan and power usage.[4]

    14. Re:Sigh. by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      There's a reason that surgeons "scrub" up.

      Do I have the "blog" for you! :)

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    15. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you still have dirt/soap on your hands by the time you wipe it, you're doing it wrong. Rub the soap into your skin, then open the faucet, rub your palms, fingers and wrists from all sides while you rinse them with sufficient water, and in the end your hands are wet but they are wet with clean water, and the most hygienic thing is to just shake it off and not touch anything until they've dried by themselves. If you're impatient, use a towel or fan, but it's not necessary at all.

    16. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You only need to 'scrub' with a brush or other implement if you need your hands _extremely_ clean or you have material on them that is not readily emulsified by soap & water. Unless you are a surgeon, you don't need your hands to be _that_ clean.

      This. Also too much scrubbing and too much detergent (plus alcohol and aggressive substances in "hand sanitizers") destroy your skin's oily protective layer and may even lacerate your skin, so you're actually more exposed to infection.

  22. What do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people are disgusting and can't even perform a simple task such as washing their hands properly.

    They literally need guides to help these people, which they promptly ignore because they see 4+ frames and go "yeah no, I've got things to do", then end up ill because 90% of the rest of the toilet users agreed with that sentiment.

    So, in conclusion: Fuck everyone. Go full biohazard suit to the bathroom. Take no chances.

  23. Paid for study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    One of the authors of the study works for Kimberly Clark, omnipresent maker of paper towels. How convenient.

    1. Re:Paid for study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper towels seem a lot safer than these bacteria and virus bombardment equipment called air blades.

    2. Re:Paid for study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the maker of those paper towels.

    3. Re:Paid for study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an asswipe.

  24. Re:I Knew I Hated Those Things For Some Damn Reaso by degantyll · · Score: 1

    I hope this is sarcasm, toilet flush spreads germs too; you'd be wiping your hands with shit germs.

  25. Pointless.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who dips their hands in virus water? This is a pointless expirement. Who cares if it splashed clean water after you wash with soap? Sheesh.

  26. This is why those Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are pushing them so hard. They recently forced them down our throats here in Seattle's airport. They'll do anything to increase profits for the medical cartel.

    1. Re: This is why those Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's simply corporate welfare for Dyson and doctors.

    2. Re: This is why those Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle might elect people with a D after their name, but they are DINOs.

    3. Re: This is why those Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And taking money from one person at gunpoint to give to another is not charity.

    4. Re: This is why those Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's George Bushs fault

  27. Yes, it was to save paper. by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

    pretty sure people didn't switch to be "more efficient", wasn't the idea to save paper ?

    Yes, it was to save paper.

    That stuff doesn't grow on trees...

    1. Re:Yes, it was to save paper. by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Of course paper doesn't grow on trees, don't be stupid.

      It grows in the dirt.

    2. Re:Yes, it was to save paper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty sure people didn't switch to be "more efficient", wasn't the idea to save paper ?

      Yes, it was to save paper.

      That stuff doesn't grow on trees...

      That guy is a real Commodian.
      George

    3. Re:Yes, it was to save paper. by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The irony being that trees are a renewable resource, while the energy used to power these air dryers is often not.

    4. Re:Yes, it was to save paper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wood pulp for paper towels if often sourced from North America, where forestry practices are generally not very sustainable.

  28. For the next study... by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 2

    For the next study, I recommend they compare the decibels of the Dyson Airblade dryer, as experienced by the user, to the decibels of a jet engine on the tarmac, as experienced by a baggage handler wearing ear plugs.

    I'm betting the dryer would win.

    1. Re:For the next study... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Win" as in, produce louder noise?
      Or "Win" as in, be more likely to set the tester on fire?

  29. Re: ... if you wash your hands in the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because what they studied where the difference between the different drying solutions.

  30. Airblades aren't used for hygiene, but for economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are the cheapest solution that shuts people up. (They cost energy to operate, but that's still way cheaper than having to periodically replace paper towels, or deal with the frequent mechanical faults of some other solutions.)
    From a hygienic (and economic) perspective it would in fact be better if the Airblade wasn't there at all, but then people start complaining that they have to dry their hands on their trousers.

  31. They haven't measured what you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they did:
    - put gloves on,
    - soaked those gloves in virus rich fluid,
    - they didn't wash their hands,
    - they put hands with the gloves on (soaking wet) into Dyson,
    - they turned that thing on and measured how far germs could travel.

    This is not a real world test. They should have washed their 'hands' (gloves) and then start up Dyson and measure germs spread. I know that a lot of people don't wash their hands after visiting toilet (yuck) but they're also not going to put their hands into dryer.

    And I'm not saying that if the test was done correctly results would be any different.

  32. This is not how the world works by pesho · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Experimental setup:

    1. 1. Dip your hands in solution containing the virus.
    2. 2. Use either blower or hand towel to dry your hands.
    3. 3. See how far from your current position you can find the virus. Not surprisingly the powerful blower spread the virus more.

    Real world equivalent of the experimental setup:

    1. 1. Shit on your hands
    2. 2. Use towel or blower to "clean" you hands.

    Actual bathroom operation:

    1. 1. Wash your hands with soap and water to remove germs.
    2. 2. Dry your clean hands with either towel or a blower.

    Does anyone spot the little problem with what their experiment tests and what conclusions the draw?

    1. Re:This is not how the world works by American+Patent+Guy · · Score: 1

      Washing your hands with soap and water doesn't remove the germs. It removes some of the oils on your hands that harbor the germs. Unless you're going to use a sanitizing solution before drying your hands, those germs will still be there.

    2. Re:This is not how the world works by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Actual bathroom operation:
      1. Quickly run your hand under some water with a little soap, because you want to be finished as quickly as possible.
      2. Mop up the water off your hands.

    3. Re:This is not how the world works by Saanvik · · Score: 1

      You've got a bit overboard. Washing your hands properly with or without soap does decrease the likelihood of spreading germs that make people sick, see The Effect of Handwashing at Recommended Times with Water Alone and With Soap on Child Diarrhea in Rural Bangladesh: An Observational Study

    4. Re:This is not how the world works by American+Patent+Guy · · Score: 1

      No matter how "properly" you wash your hands with soap, you're never going to eliminate the population of germs on them. Germs grow exponentially: unless you get all of them, you're only delaying the infection. Soap reduces their number, leaving your immune system time to react.

      If you want to eliminate the germs, you have to sanitize the surface completely. Restaurants use bleaches for that purpose; hospitals have their own methods (heat, steam, chemicals, etc.) Soap is only a surfactant, removing oils, not a sanitizer.

    5. Re:This is not how the world works by Saanvik · · Score: 1

      Nobody is suggesting that washing your hands after going to the bathroom sterilizes your hands. Nobody needs that, though. Washing your hands for 20 second gets rid of the majority of germs on your hands. There's experimental proof to show that.

    6. Re:This is not how the world works by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Look at who the authors work for (hint: one works at Kimberly Clark).

  33. Re:"Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure they say it's "to save paper" while really meaning "we're sick of emptying the trash can all the time" or possibly "we think it's less expensive because the electric budget goes somewhere else".

  34. Three Politicians by gnu-sucks · · Score: 0

    Three Politicians finished using a unisex bathroom.

    Hillary Clinton walks to the paper towel dispenser and uses two towels to dry her hands. “It takes me a little longer,” she says.

    Bernie Sanders walk to the paper towel dispenser too, and remarks, “I’m not controlled by special interest groups, I only use one by my own decision,” and proceeds to dry his hands with a single towel.

    Donald Trump briskly walks to the Dyson. The 430-MPH wind sprays water on the other two politicians. He remarks, “I’m Donald Trump, and I don’t pee on my hands!”

  35. Why is this news? by BigU+03C0in · · Score: 2

    The Mythbusters already confirmed that air powered had drying spread germs more than paper.

  36. Dyson Germ Spreader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awesome, whip me up some germs after I crap my pants.

  37. Re:I'ts been called the world's worst urinal in je by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have you tried using one of them as a urinal while they were blowing?

    Worst urinal EVER!!

  38. Shake. Fold. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1
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    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  39. Re:Useless and biased study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Uh, no, the warmth from a standard air dryer does not appreciably speed up the proliferation of remaining germs on your hands. The heat does not persist long enough to make a difference in bacterial growth. Bacteria do not multiply _that_ fast.

    The purpose of a Dyson is to be _quick_ and thorough at drying your hands, which is something that standard air dryers are pitiably bad at.

  40. Thank you! by friedmud · · Score: 1

    I've been saying this for years. I refuse to use any sort of "germ blowing" device in the bathroom. If there are no paper towels... i simply just dry my hands on my pants or move on with slightly moist hands. Only takes a couple of minutes for them to dry anyway...

  41. Re:Useless and biased study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You made the point better than I could have. I hate it when people test the wrong thing.

  42. Re:Useless and biased study by governorx · · Score: 1

    Sorry, unless you are blasting your hands with water as fast as this air dryer how do you even suppose to pretend that your hands are being cleaned to such a degree that the air dryer will not pull off more bacteria/dirt/other microbes than hand-washing.. never mind that most people dont wash their hands very well to begin with or the possibility that the soap has run out from the dispenser.

    Then I will challenge you on how you think water and soap will kill a virus or even kill 100% of microbes that are susceptible to soap destroying their cellular membrane.

    The bottom line is that Dyson invented a good hand dryer which is also much more effective at sharing disease with your follow bathroom compatriots. Sneeze into the thing while its on and share your cold with everyone around you.

    -gov

  43. Re:"Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC, The Mythbusters a couple years ago tested the efficacy of air hand dryers versus paper towels, and found that paper towels were more effective and more hygienic.

    Sad too, they put the expensive, blow germs all over the place, hand dryers in every rest stop along every tollway in the state of New York. Makes me want to avoid tollroads even more now.

  44. But they overlook Dyson's main advantage... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    Well, yes, paper towels might be more effective and more hygenic, but without Dyson Airblades or those obnoxious XLerator blow-dryers, how are we expected to damage our hearing in the restroom? If we don't have a 95-decibel mini-jet-engine firing up every few seconds in a small room covered in hard, echoing surfaces, we'll pretty much have to stick actual spikes in our ears to get the same result.

  45. what I can't understand by ozduo · · Score: 1

    is that after you have dried your hands (or not) you have to pull on the contaminated handle to open the exit door. WHY DON'T THESE DOORS OPEN OUTWARDS THEN YOU COULD PUSH IT WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN YOUR HANDS.

    --
    I got to the chocolate box before you, that's why the hard ones have teeth marks.
    1. Re:what I can't understand by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      is that after you have dried your hands (or not) you have to pull on the contaminated handle to open the exit door.

      It shouldn't be contaminated if everyone washes their hands like a normal person. If anything, it should (in theory) be cleaner than the handle or plate on the other side.

      WHY DON'T THESE DOORS OPEN OUTWARDS THEN YOU COULD PUSH IT WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN YOUR HANDS.

      Same reason most doors open into the room rather into the corridor. You're more likely to clobber someone walking past. Nobody approaches the door from inside the room without already having their attention on it (usually).

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    2. Re:what I can't understand by Copid · · Score: 1

      It's actually pretty impressive how carefully thought through building codes are for things like this. Doors generally open inward to avoid whacking people in hallways and to keep occupants from getting trapped by crap in front of doors. Emergency exits and doors for rooms with large numbers of occupants open outward because stampedes of panicked people will pile up and prevent doors from swinging inward, burning everybody alive up against an unlocked door. Lights in a stairwell need a 3-way switch at the top and the bottom of the stairs so you never have to walk on stairs in the dark. As annoying as they can be, there's a huge amount of "learned the hard way" stuff that's obvious only in retrospect built into building codes.

      But yeah, somebody needs to figure out a good solution to the bathroom door handle thing. Then again, once those filthy-handed former bathroom occupants are out of the bathroom, they just go and touch all of the other door handles anyway.

      --
      An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
    3. Re:what I can't understand by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The solution I've seen is a 15ft hallway with an abrupt 180 degree turn into the bathroom. You get privacy, as there is no angle to view into the room from outside the hallway, and there's no door to deal with. There's usually another 90 degree turn in the opposite direction to get to the urinals in these designs, obviously stalls with doors for #2, and the sinks are on the wall nearest the end of the hallway.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    4. Re:what I can't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the places where I see these, don't actually have doors, but instead have a kinked corridor.

    5. Re:what I can't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They make a device for pull doors:

      http://www.restroomdirect.com/sanitary-door-opener.aspx

      Only seen it at one restaurant, to be honest. It was easy enough to use. Just use your wrist (wear a long sleeve shirt and it doesn't even touch skin).

    6. Re:what I can't understand by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The solution I've seen is a 15ft hallway with an abrupt 180 degree turn into the bathroom.

      I'm guessing someone did a study on how far the sound of a heavy splash carries.

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    7. Re:what I can't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same reason most doors open into the room rather into the corridor. You're more likely to clobber someone walking past. Nobody approaches the door from inside the room without already having their attention on it (usually).

      I just experienced this a few weeks ago. I used a bathroom at a restaurant where the door opened outward. I left the bathroom and went back to my table. Then, I noticed the poor waitress sprawled on the floor that had apparently fallen when I clobbered her opening the door. I felt terrible, and worse, it had seemed that I ignored here, when I hadn't even known that I had hit her until I was back to the table.

      She picked herself back up and got back to work, but I ate quickly, left a big tip, and left.

  46. But how dangerous is it ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Sure blowers may blast bacteria around and paper towels may already have bacteria on them. But how dangerous is this ? Billions of years of evolution has given us an immune system that deals with what is found in the environment., if now we would have died out centuries ago. I do agree that we are living in more densely populated communities and so germ control is more important than it was in times past; but I suspect that most of that happens through the guys who don't wash their hands after going to the toilet (and touch things that we later do - think: door handles) or those who cough and sneeze near others.

  47. Sometime old school is the best school by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

    Paper towels beat air blowers and air blades in cleanliness?

    Sometimes the old ways are better than the new ways.

    --
    The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
    1. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Air Blades and air blowers beat paper towels in resource usage. Priorities change.

    2. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Doesn't treating viral infections spread by poor hygiene user up more resources than a few paper towels? In that case, paper towels win on both fronts.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    3. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Depends on exactly how much this increase your chances of getting sick, you are constantly surrounded by viruses and bacteria, and a normal healthy human can deal with adequately. Even if we sterilize everything that would probably compromise your immune system since it need exposure to learn to deal with them. Also micro organisms will eventually evolve to deal with your sterilization method. Also we need bacteria to live.

    4. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Right, but the problem is that we use half-effective antibacterial soaps which leave the bacteria alive to breed future generations immune to those antibacterial agents, and which our immune systems have not previosly been exposed to in order to build a defense. Or, you know, the common cold or flu.

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    5. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      One can have good hygiene using a Dyson Blade. People generally wash their hands with soap before using it. The water sprayed around by the Blade is generally pretty clean as it just came out of a tap. Any major germ concentrations on the hands would be washed away with the soap when rinsing the hands.

    6. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      And yet it's still blowing germs from foot level to face level. Or am I the one wierdo who doesn't wash their shoes and/or feet when using a public restroom?

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    7. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      The germs in the study came directly from the hands not the floor.

    8. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Right, and we're discussing reality as it exists beyond the very flawed study.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    9. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Have you done a study to see if Blades blow germs off the floor? If not you are speculating.

    10. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The inlet is at the base of the unit. It doesn't take much study to figure out it's gonna suck up anything down there and blow it out the outlet, that's how a blower works. Not necessarily from the floor itself, but fungal spores and bacteria from feet near the inlet are quite likely to be sucked up. Also, sprayover from nearby toilets being flushed will enter the unit and be propelled when it starts up. Plus, you can't use the Dyson Blade to pull the bathroom door open, so you're touching the same knob or handle that was touched by everyone who didn't wash their hands, thereby re-contaminating yourself. With a paper towel, you grab one on the way in, use that to touch any surfaces (stall door/latch, flush lever, faucet, lever to dispense another towel), then use a second towel to dry your hands and open the door on your way out. You never have to touch a surface in that bathroom beyond the initial lever pull to dispense that first towel, and you don't even have to do that with an automated diapenser.

      I've been studying common sense my entire life so, yes, I've got a study to back that up. My findings are published above.

      --
      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    11. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Did you notice that the Airblade Db has a HEPA filter for the incoming air. That filter will remove the germs/spores from the incoming air.
      As for door handles, use a small piece of tissue. That is a much smaller resource use than towel drying hands.

    12. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by BronsCon · · Score: 1
      That's great, a HEPA filter the place that doesn't want to spend on paper towels will never spend on replacing. It also does nothing for:

      sprayover from nearby toilets being flushed [which] will enter the unit and be propelled when it starts up

      And where am I to carry this tissue? I don't exactly carry a purse and I never see any in public restrooms. And please don't say toilet paper; that's going to be among the most contaminated items in the room.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    13. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      That's great, a HEPA filter the place that doesn't want to spend on paper towels will never spend on replacing.

      It is not about not wanting to spend money on buying paper towels. The cost of the towel itself is only a small part of the overall cost. A few HEPA filters replaced every few months is very different than buying, stocking and storing large quantities of towels; replenishing them on a daily basis; collecting and storing the waste; and disposing of all that waste. The volumes are very different.

      sprayover from nearby toilets being flushed [which] will enter the unit and be propelled when it starts up

      The HEPA filter will filter that.

      And where am I to carry this tissue?

      You get it from the bathroom stall. If you are such a germophobe then carry a small travel size of tissues as I do during pollen season. If you don't have a purse you probably have a pocket.

    14. Re:Sometime old school is the best school by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The HEPA filter will filter that.

      The HEPA filter will filter overspray that enters through the unit's inlet while the unit is not operating? It will filter overspray that enters the unit's exhaust path while it is operating? Please re-explain physics to me, then, since I clearly don't understand the subject at all.

      Oh, wait, no, I do understand; a filter on the inlet won't do either of those things.

      You get it from the bathroom stall.

      So, I guess I never clarified thusly:

      And please don't say toilet paper; that's going to be among the most contaminated items in the room.

      Oh, wait, I did. I guess you didn't literally say toilet paper, so, there's that.

      If you are such a germophobe then carry a small travel size of tissues as I do during pollen season.

      It's not about being a germophobe, it's about not wanting to negate just having washed my hands. If I'm just going to pick up the same germs I just washed off, why even bother? And if my goal is to not pick up the germs from the door knob immediately after washing my hands, why the hell would I reach for something that sits right next to the source of the overspray (e.g. toilet paper)?

      If you don't have a purse you probably have a pocket.

      I do. Several, actually. They contain, amongst other items, a phone, a wallet, and some keys. I don't really have room in there for a pack of tissues, Mr. Judgy McJudgersen.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
  48. Re:"Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    "we're sick of emptying the trash can all the time"

    How about these other steps;
    1. Purchasing paper towels.
    2. Storing paper towels.
    3. Refilling dispensers.
    4. Storing waste till it can be picked up.
    5. Filling solid waste dumps with used paper towels.
    Emptying cans is only one step in the process. Every step in that process cost time and/or money.

  49. A few ideas by infernalC · · Score: 1

    I thought the point of the dryer was to dry the rinse water off of your hands after you thoroughly wash them, eliminating most of the pathogens.

    That said, the problem here isn't the dryer. It's the idoits who don't know how to wash their hands. Perhaps in a hospital, we could make smart sinks that detect when you haven't washed your hands thoroughly enough and then curse at you or something... maybe the "red alert" sound. If it's obnoxious enough to get the attention of others in the room, then people will not ignore it so easily.

    Or maybe they need to eliminate the sink, and just put the hand washing function into the dryer. I'm sure Dyson could power-wash the skin off of your hands. Wait, then blood-borne pathogens would get everywhere. Unless you cauterize the flesh after you take off the skin.

    Maybe we should eliminate the sink and the dryer, and the bidet for those of you that like that sort of thing, and the toilet paper, and have an all-in-one commode that you sit on your hands on that washes, sanitizes, and drys your ass and your hands after you defecate. Ah, it'd feel sooo clean.

    Or maybe we should just shit, wipe, flush, wash and dry like responsible people with what we've got.

    1. Re:A few ideas by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      For all your talk I doubt you have a clue how to wash your hand. People like you think running your hands under the water for a few seconds is washing your hands but the reality is it takes MINUTES of scrubbing to actually remove bacteria. A typical hospital policy is more than 4 minutes of scrubbing with an abrasive sponge. I'll bet you've never scrubbed your hands for more than 10 seconds.

    2. Re:A few ideas by Saanvik · · Score: 1

      Do you really think the point of washing your hands after going to the bathroom is to make them sterile enough to operate with?

      The CDC recommends 20 seconds of scrubbing for those of us not going into the operating room.

    3. Re:A few ideas by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I dare you to stand at a bathroom sink and wash your hands for 20 seconds with vigorous scrubbing. 99.999999% of people wash their hands for no more than a few seconds (usually 1 or 2). I've never seen anyone do it for more than 5 and everyone was looking at him like he was a weirdo. 20 Seconds is a long time, the 4 minutes hospitals recommend? I doubt you could even do it.

      My main point was to counter the idea that you can remove all pathogens at a bathroom sink in your average bathroom. That we need sinks to warn people to keep washing to remove all pathogens and that any of this is even possible because it's not possible to remove all bacteria from your hands, only to reduce the number. Hand dryers are a scam IMO. They do a worse job, cost more, waste energy and cause hearing damage. They shouldn't be used, hell I think they should be banned except as a backup drying source. I'd like to see us go back to the cloth towel on a reel that wound up as it was used. Everyone got a clean towel that could actually dry their hands and the cloth towels were easy to wash. But I haven't seen those in decades.

    4. Re:A few ideas by Saanvik · · Score: 1

      I do it all the time. As the CDC suggests, I sing the tune "Happy Birthday" in my mind, usually twice, while doing it. I've taught my daughter to do the same.

      I don't really care if people think I'm weird for washing my hands well. I rarely get sick, and it's because I wash my hands. That said, I've been doing it for years, and nobody, at least not so I've noticed, has looked at me funny.

      I don't think anyone was suggesting that you can remove all pathogens. The comment you responded to said, "most pathogens". That's true. Hand washing for 20 seconds does remove most pathogens.

  50. So... by Justt+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    So, your saying they DIDN'T wash their hands? If they washed their hands, how many germs would they spread then?

    And the research concluded that increased air pressure blows water off the hands quicker?

    I think the focus of this is skewed for more effect. They intentionally placed "infectious" material on the hands so they could claim that this think spreads germs. All it does is blow the water off the hands instantaneously. You need to actually wash your hands first.

    Do they need another disclaimer on a sticker on it saying "Wash hands before drying" for the stupid people?.

    1. Re:So... by pepsikid · · Score: 1

      This is the point I came here to make! Obviously, a Dyson does what any fan does when siht hits it. It's meant to dry WASHED hands off, so JoAM's "study" is full of it.

  51. Dyson dodges the issue... by American+Patent+Guy · · Score: 1

    So Dyson says: "Independent research shows that before they even reach the washroom, paper towels can contain large communities of culturable bacteria."

    Yes, but those bacteria aren't likely to cause disease in humans. As I understand it, infectious viruses don't survive for long periods of time on dry surfaces, like paper towels. If one person having a cold or the flu uses a Dyson dryer, he aerosolizes the virus into tiny droplets hanging about in the air and splashing about on the doorknob. That's where the infection of the next visitor happens.

  52. Re:I Knew I Hated Those Things For Some Damn Reaso by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Actually, the proper term is 'atomized feces.' Not that it's reduced to atoms, but the fecal matter drifts around in the air.

  53. So that's what the funny looking urinal is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So that's what the funny looking urinal is. I always wondered why it was over by the sinks............and why it blew my pee everywhere.

  54. Dont use them by Smiddi · · Score: 2

    Last time I was in the toilets and used one of these things my piss went everywhere. Def not hygienic.

  55. Re:I'ts been called the world's worst urinal in je by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...As design engineers we do something about it."

    Poor James. After all this time he still doesn't understand why actual engineers look on designers with amused contempt.

  56. Why not test WASHING your hands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know this is nuts, but why not test people who actually washed their hands with warm water and soap?

    Who dips their hands in a virus after washing their hands?

    This report is full of hot air (sorry... ;-}

    1. Re:Why not test WASHING your hands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ya know, now that you mention it, I never soak my hands in a virus either!

    2. Re:Why not test WASHING your hands? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Probably because if they are going to compare the distribution rates of different methods of hand drying, they realized that they would need some sort of tracer, the presence of which could be quantitatively measured.

      Their result isn't that blowing air over one's hands is a bad thing, just that it spreads what's on your hands around the room a lot more than wiping them on a towel would. As someone here noted earlier, flushing the toilet does the same or worse. So flush your crap, thereby aerosolizing your shit, and then use a Dyson Airblade to blow whatever is left on your hands around the room for good measure. It's a dirty world but we can pretend that we are clean.

  57. An ounce of prevention is ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    I think we would become a better nation if we learn not to pee on the hands ... No need for air dryers or paper.

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    1. Re:An ounce of prevention is ... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      your urine is sterile if you are healthy male. women have been recently found to have very low levels of bacteria in their urine (announced by Evann Hilt of Loyola University of Chicago at conference of the American Society for Microbiology in may 2014).

    2. Re:An ounce of prevention is ... by godrik · · Score: 1

      Except that is not why we wash our hands after going to the bathroom. Overall, going to the bathroom is fairly sanitary. Sometimes our hands get soiled in the process, but most of the time they do not. But it is all the rest of our daily activities that is not. We wash our hands when we go to the bathroom simply because there is water there already, so it convenient.

  58. unless you wash your hands... by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1

    This must be that study where they didn't wash their hands before drying them.

    Dyson has a rebuttal; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKxT1k1cmXc

    Other studies also published in the Journal of Applied Microbiology came to the conclusion that paper towels and the airblade were equally effective at spreading germs - assuming that there really are paper towels, and a proper place to dispose of them.

  59. this does an even better job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try using a car or truck or better yet a rocket to transmit those virii further than the Dyson.

    I thought the design of the machine was to dry the hands, not see how far it could move a virus.

  60. There's a moral to this story by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a doctor I could suggest washing your hands with soap and water instead of virus and water. The former is the approved method whereas the latter is a little to new and usually frowned upon.

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    1. Re:There's a moral to this story by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      * too... damned auto-correct

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    2. Re:There's a moral to this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your auto-correct software corrected "too" to "to"?

  61. Wash your hands first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everywhere I have used an Airblade I have first washed my hands with soap and warm water. I'll keep this research in mind if I ever decide to rinse of in toilet water instead.

  62. Re: "Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may be shocked to learn that wet wood pulp is compostable. No need to put it into "solid waste dumps."

  63. And after you've dried your hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's awfully difficult to blow your nose with the air driers

  64. No Shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait..

  65. Re:This would be a disaster... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a racist.

  66. Hucking Filarious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, the road to hell...

  67. 1300 by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    1300, isn't that the number you multiply another product price to in order to get the price of a Dyson product?

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  68. Re:This would be a disaster... by Elentar · · Score: 1

    To be fair, most of the water in India is about as likely to get you sick as the unwashed hand that precedes it. Give some credit to a culture of people that recognize this, and try to use just one hand so that the other one is still clean for eating, etc. Saves an enormous amount of water, too.

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  69. Re:"Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by bestweasel · · Score: 1

    You forgot, "We can get rid of the guy who goes round replacing the towels and emptying the bins".

  70. Dyson airblades have ALWAYS been awful by AbRASiON · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I first encountered these idiot things in my first overseas trip to London and Paris back in 2010 at many shopping centres and airports.

    The stupid goddamn things have a very small slit to put your hands in, where the air is coming rapidly on to your hands in a very tight line / wave of air.
    The problem is in the design that you put your hands inside this small gap and it's really bloody easy for your palms or back of your hand or your shirt to easily touch the top or bottom of the opening.
    https://www.thememo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/dyson-airblade.jpg
    It's simply too small a space to put your hands. Sure if you're careful you're fine but it reminded me of playing the old electronic board game 'operation' trying to not touch the sides.

    I realise Mythbusters seemed to confirm that an air dryer IS worse than paper towel for germs, but I still prefer a combination of both (towel then dryer) but I'd take a regular hand dryer any day over the Dyson, stupid bloody thing.

    1. Re:Dyson airblades have ALWAYS been awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's simply too small a space to put your hands.

      Only if you're Andre the Giant. Everyone else's hands fit just fine.

  71. "Dyson Airblades 'Spread Germs 1,300 Times More.." by Van.Teknica14 · · Score: 2

    After reading this story, I disagree with the process and direction of the experiment. The use of any hand dryer is to dry your hands AFTER you wash your hands with SOAP and WATER. NOT after you dip your hands in known bacteria. The experiment is obvious, and misleading. I don't see how hand dryer manufactures, including Dyson have any relation to this. To put it more bluntly, I wipe my nose after a major sneeze, and hold my hands outside of a car window at 140mph. The result would be the same as this experiment. For the record, I'm an IT guru with 20 years experience, with physics, engineering, electrical, and electronic experience.

  72. So this what happens. . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . . . when the shit hits the fan.

    (and I can't believe nobody else said it first)

  73. I have these at my workplace by Bowdie · · Score: 1

    They are excellent for drying paintbrushes. Seriously, put the brush in sideways, the air disturbs the brush and dries it almost instantly. Very handy.

    Oh, and I suppose they're ok for drying hands too.

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  74. So Sheldon was right then? by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  75. the first time I tried one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I promptly got sprayed in the face. I'm sure some of the spray was from drips by prior users.
    I also noticed you have to put you hands in at a particular angle. At 5'7" the installed height of the device at that store is a bit high for me. I would guess if you are 5'4" or less, reaching up and angling the hands down into it is a big problem, and if you are over 5'10" or so you need to bend over and/or your knees.
    Off topic, or is it.
    This was at a Whole Foods Market in Pasadena, CA, by the way. Another Mega-dodo company. Why do companies think that the rest of the store can look and feel 'upscale,' but it is okay if the bathroom is a mess. Usually not gross, but, still. And in spite of the sign "No Employees; Use Employee Bathroom" on the door, there are usually an employee or three hanging around.
    Why do employees who are grimacing in fake smiles on the 'store floor' feel like they can scowl at you with overt hostility in the bathroom? I notice when Whole Foods first came to East Pasadena the workers and customers all seemed to share the same values: healthy food and lifestyle, courtesy, Birkenstocks, neo-hippy kinda. The newer store, "Whole Money" version seems to have hired paroles who have thinly veiled contempt for their customers. Oh, it feels good to rant!
    PS. If they really do hire paroles, and I would not be surprised if they do, at the least they seem to hire people that fit poorly. Kudos for hiring minorities and other marginal people, wherever they get them from. Although I suspect that they use that as chips in the political arena.

  76. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our body sports a very good immune system, you know. If that was a problem we'd all be dead already.

  77. Misleading headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi guys, I'm not versed on the relative merit of these studies, but it appears the study linked is only saying that germs were spread further.

    Here's a link to an earlier study with a different methodology published by the same journal which found that use of the airblade resulted in a significantly reduced transfer:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017747/

    Which is the better methodology / metric to consider with the spread of disease? Will virii tend to be hardier and more prone to spread than bacteria?

    Perhaps one (airblade) might be better in a food handling environment and others in general bathroom usage?

  78. Wash hands first?? by Stephen+R+Hall · · Score: 1

    You're supposed to wash your hands before you dry them. If you wash them properly there are no germs to spread.

  79. Loving the maths by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Germs get spread 60 time more by a Dyson than a normal hand-dryer.

    In order to achieve that figure, we have to take the radius of dispersal and map it to the volume of a sphere. I'm afraid I've not seen a Dyson dryer mounted at least 3 meters above the floor, at least 3 meters from any wall, and at least 3 meters from the ceiling. I'm not entirely sure how I'd be able to use such a device -- having to climb a ladder after going for a pee would be pretty unhygienic.

    But even in such a scenario, the figures are buggered, by the simple law of "what goes up must come down", as all of the germs are going to end up on the floor, no suspended in air uniformly across the volume. The 3m dispersal radius assumes a typically installation with the floor around 70cm below the nozzles, so if we raise the device, basic Newtonian mechanics is going to mean the dispersal radius will increase.

    You could potentially argue the case for using 2D area as a legitimate comparison (1.76 square meters for hot air vs 28.3 sq m for airblade = approx. 16 times) by virtue of the floor describing a 2D plane, but I'm not sure that the linear comparison isn't the most accurate here -- "Dyson Airblade spreads germs 4 times further than standard hot air dryers.

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  80. Be strong, eat dirt !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this talk of bacteria and germs makes me realise what a bunch of clueless wusses most people are. You do realise that every day you are literally surrounded by germs, bacteria, bugs etc. etc.

    It's the job of your immune system to deal with them and, to get itself "trained up", it *needs* to be exposed to nasties. If not then the first time a decently powerful invader gets into your system you'll be f**** as your immune system, not being used to working properly, won't have the "intestinal fortitude" to deal with it.

    Now obviously you'd be an idiot to go round drinking cups of ebola etc. but worrying about a few germs or bacteria on door handles is asinine.

    Let your kids play in the dirt and eat worms. Let them get all those minor childhood illnesses (mumps, measles, chicken pox etc.) Then when they grow up they'll have TOUGH, WORKING immune systems. I grew up in the 60s and when we were kids we used to get sent round to other kids houses who had chicken pox etc. specifically so we'd all get it at once. Now I'm an old git I can't actually recall the last time I got any sort of infection, stomach bug, etc. etc. because I played in the dirt, I eat food with mould on it, and my immune system is like a champion prize fighter.

    Germs and bacteria don't stand a snowflakes chance in hell when they come up against my battle hardened, veteran T cells because they're used to dealing with "stuff".

    On the contrary there are people who I work with who are obsessive about hygiene, won;t even pick and apple off the floor if they drop it (god forbid touch it if's got a slight brown bruise etc.) and they are always ill with some minor ailment or other.

    Get tough. Eat dirt. Wallow in filth - but do wash before sitting down at the dinner table/taking a significant other out on a date etc.

    Why yes I am a Subgenius !!!

  81. Wait a minute now... So what? by sabbede · · Score: 2

    Who the hell washes their hands with viruses instead of soap? If you just washed your hands, what are you going to spread? If the water is so bacteria-laden that you're going to spread them even after using soap, you and everyone else in the room have a lot more to worry about.

  82. Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, there's something wrong with EVERYTHING.

  83. Easy to fix? by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    What if they added a small drain to the bottom for the water that pools down there, and integrate a UV light to kill the bacteria? I'm not sure if any of it is UV resistant.

  84. What diseases do these germs cause? by eggstasy · · Score: 1

    Has anyone actually been sick lately? The most sick I've ever been was catching the odd cold in the winter but these days I take the flu shot, so, not even that.
    Most bacteria and viruses are harmless, they're everywhere, you inhale and ingest them routinely.
    That's why you have a strong acid in your stomach and antibacterial mucus lining your respiratory tract?
    Gotta love that immune system! :)

  85. absurdly loud by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    The germs are nothing compared to the hearing loss due to putting your ear next to a get engine.

    1. Re:absurdly loud by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      Err jet.

  86. Even worse: spreads feces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Joe cleans himself messily. "That's okay, I'll just wah my hands." He touches the faucet with his feces covered hands, washes them clean, then touches the feces covered faucet again to turn it off. Then he dries his hands with a dryer spreading feces to the button, and opens the door, spreading feces to the door handle and beyond. Everyone who washes their hands after him gets his feces.
    USE PAPER TOWELS
    Wash your hands, leave the water running, then use a paper towel to dry them. Then use the paper towel to turn off the water and open the door. There are people who don't wash their hands and that door handle is dirty!

  87. This is the stupidest research ever by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    The whole point of washing ones hands is to kill and remove the germs through the rigorous use of hot water and soap, the drying is just for comfort. The only thing that matters is which dries hands better and is more environmentally friendly from a resource perspective.

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  88. What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dang, and I just got done installing a germ basin in my bathroom for me to dip my hands in after washing them.

  89. Of course there should be no virus left on hands! by Archeopteryx · · Score: 1

    If you washed your hands properly, there would be no virus left to spread this way.

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  90. With a story like this by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    The shit is really going to hit the fan ... Oh wait!

  91. not an issue issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a serious issue unless people aren't washing their hands first: oh wait, that's the point

    Also, there's already a shit-load of bacteria and viruses in the environment already; that e-coli gets pretty much everywhere.

    Stupid click-bait articles & idiot whiners.

  92. Wash before you whiz by phorm · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, it's probably a good idea to wash your hands *beforehand*, as some of the skin on that particular part of your body is rather thin and you don't want to introduce nasties if possible.

    But regardless of what your hands touch, combining thin skin and an area prone to being warm and possibly sweaty is still a good incubator for unpleasant things such as the bacteria/fungi behind jock itch etc.

    Also, always rinse hands well after preparing habanero or other hot peppers or other extremely hot foods or you'll be doing a little pain-dance for quite awhile afterwards

  93. Re:"Messiest. Urinal. Ever." by Christian+Henry · · Score: 1

    You forgot, "We can get rid of the guy who goes round replacing the towels and emptying the bins".

    God, I hope they're not thinking that.
    In my neck of the woods, the person who replaces the towels and empties the bins is also the person who's responsible for cleaning the washroom.

  94. If people actually..... by beatle11 · · Score: 1

    ..... wash their hands properly before using the drier it shouldn't be that much of an issue. But not everyone does unfortunately.

  95. Damned if we do, damned if we don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no perfect solution to hand drying in restrooms. Many people have damaged their hearing so badly from stereo ear buds, loud traffic and concerts blasting music at dangerous levels that most people don't even realize the hand blower dyers are so noisy that they damage your hearing.

    My hearing range used to be so much broader, and more sensitive to faint noises, that I was literally one in a hundred thousand... my hearing is still far better than most people... I still have to cover my ears when fire trucks, police cars or louder motorcycles pass just because the noise is, so intense it hurts my ears. I notice most people do not cover their ears when I do, which means their hearing has already been damaged.

    Many stores have begun installing hand blowers in their rest rooms, and I end up having to cover my ears even when all the way across a large restroom... yet, there are others that use the blowers without a second thought. Their hearing is already so damaged they do not realize the dryers are further damaging their hearing, and the store owners do not realize the issue.

    Just because a blower (or loud music, or sirens) does not sound loud to you does not mean it is not damaging your hearing, if your hearing is already damaged beyond a certain point. You hearing is already so damaged that you cannot rely on "pain level" to tell if it is TOO loud.

  96. Too loud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to put in earplugs every time I see one of this awful things. Not to use it mind you; just to be in the room with it while other morons blast away their hearing. The are really a danger to the future of humanity. Good hearing is just as important to me as good sight. Too many things in this world are conspiring to take it away. Most people now have very poor hearing and don't realize it.

    Horrible...

  97. No shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a typical 6'2" 200lb beard-wielding mechanic. My hands are big and clunky. Every time I use one of the fucking air blade things, my hands touch the paneling. Every time. I think about how many times its been used and how many times it's been cleaned. I just don't wash my hands. At least it's only my dick that I touch instead of a mystery amount. And I saw a kid once trying to use it and it was mounted too high for him... So he tried grabbing it and pulling himself up to do one hand at a time. When I was 8, I was touching all sorts of gross things...

  98. No paper towels in bathrooms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The worst part is that the people who install these, also take out all the paper towels and trash cans in bathrooms, as if the only use ever for a washing station is to wash your hands only. Not your face, or clean your dentures, or anything else.

    Also, since I prefer to open the door with a towel due to the many assholes that go straight from shitter to the door, removing the towel option without giving an option to kick the door out is not a good thing.