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Mozilla 1.4 RC3 Is Out
zzxc writes "Mozillazine reports that the third release candidate for Mozilla 1.4 has been released. It is available for download from mozilla.org. Testing is encouraged to fix any bugs before the final release. No new features have been added to this release, though many bugs have been fixed. For more information, see the release notes."
Another mozilla 1,4 rc story...
Don't you have any sco news?
I seem to remember there was a Gecko rendering plugin for Konqueror. Does anyone here know what happened to it?
Firebird a subproject of Mozilla is a light weight version of Mozilla seems a lot better bet to me. Opens faster, has all the same features (such as tabbed browsing and popup killing) and seems to be more or less big free. Uses less memory too (at least in my primative tests).
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When do we get RC4? It's so hard to sit through these RC2 and RC3 stories waiting to get to the exciting stuff.
Since RC1 there are no source tarballs available and there are no tags to fetch it through CVS.
I wish they would only put in the release notes the changes between RC2 and RC3 (and not between 1.3 and 1.4). Every time I read the release notes for the different RC's I get a strong dejavu. Must I really begin to diff them?
Just wait a minute. Matrix made glowing green characters cool again. I thought I was free to go back to my Hercules green-screen without fear of reprisal.
Oh well.
Mozilla is command line? wow, i must be on something to see all those pretty colors.
your sins into me, oh my beautiful one.
Now if I could only find some RedHat 8/9 RPM's to make it all hassle free
/bin and point it at the correct location... I found that by simply NEVER installing mozilla from redhat's install process you fix what redhat breaks, and the installer works great.
Oh come on....
it's too difficult for you to download and run the installer?
granted because of redhat's brain-dead policies of putting things where THEY DONT BELONG means you have to simply delete the symlink in
Let me guess, you also think that installing Open Office is too difficult...
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Will the mozilla project provide Mozilla 1.4 final RPMS for RedHat Linux 7.x? It seems like they have discontinued them for all of there 1.4 beta and RC releases.
When Moz 1.4 final is released, will Firebird then be based on 1.4, or will it remain based on the Moz 1.3 codebase? Also Moz needs better default fonts still. I had to install the vera fonts to make it look decent. In IE the fonts looks so much better. I know, thats becasue its using the fonts in windows and what not, and moz just can't include anti aliased fonts that won't work on systems x,y and z, but there needs to a system with prebuilt decent fonts. Moz is now so much better than IE, but default Moz on linux looks like a POS. Yes yes I installed truetype fonts now its fine but a lot of people don't know how to do all that. All this is becasue I had installed linux for a non computer person, who updated mozilla and then was stuck with the default fonts.
Well enjoy one of the latest Kitchen Sink releases while you can.
Damn it! SCO suceeded in Mozilla's castration! Who's next?!
RPM's do make things a lot easier. You just double click and the thing is installed. Even easier than windows. I install the new Mozilla every few months on my linux pc (used primarily as a server) through the command line, and every time I have to figure out how to do it once again, as I hardly ever use the shell. Yes its simple, but the commands are not obvious, and I would rather not have to use them. The redhat updater updates everything else but Mozilla for some strange reason, so I have to d/l install that seperately. I have a friend how is a linux admin for a big organization, and who set up my routing/apache/squid etc. Now linux is great in the sense that once he set it up it has never crashed. Winxp under the same load would have mysteriously died long ago.
Ok, now, don't get me wrong here.. I like Moz, so this is not supposed to be a flamebait:
/.? /. effect) and it takes time to compile. Very few bother to go through this process for every release.
Just how many of you download and compile every single version of Mozilla that's mentioned on
It takes time to download (due to the
Is it really neccesary to mention every RC's here, or am I just being picky?
How about a new releases section to cream off most of these storys? Keep the main page for "stable" releases
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are you kidding me? people are still having this argument? have you downloaded your latest IE security patches yet? do you still have the sega/nintendo argument? (my snes rocks your genesis sucks, vice versa.)
Atlantis RPM's
Absolutely I do.
;)
Why? Because installing and playing with new software turns out to be a pretty fun replacement for games. Games are pretty sweet, Linux has a growing little number of them. But I mean...
I can't be the only one who finds updates fun, can I?
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
there is a great Gnome-Project wich adapts pretty fast to new Mozilla releases and ships with antialiased fonts (I didnÂt like them in the beginning but am an addict now ;-) called Dropline-Gnome. I keep installing this for my newbies along with Slackware wich I prefer as a Newbie-Distro for itÂs clear structure. From this day on I stopped worrying about fonts in Mozilla. Most Gnome Apps use these fonts so it provides a consistent look&feel, too.
But last time I tried Firebird I realised the problem was still there. The defaults are ok...but not a beauty. Well, if for non-slackware users I guess Ximian-Gnome ships with antialiased fonts as well...
If i check bugzilla there are currently 343 bugs open that are:
blocker or critical
and
assigned. (i did not select new 1441 bugs because they still contain dupes, or bugs that need te be cleaned).
That is a LOT! and they want 1.4 to be the next stable release for a longer time. I think it is still time forsome bugsquasing before releasing is.
LotÂs of these bugs are cross platform bugs (example:it wont build on true64,aix)
One bad bug i want to note is:209896
Bug: mozilla crashes if upgraded from 1.3.1 to RC2.
workround: uninstall first.
Yeah right: so every bug somebody calls (on some generic internet forum) the response will be: delete you mozilla directory first, then reinstall.
Why would I compile it when I can download a pre-compiled build from the mozilla home page?
Thing is Atlantis is non-free, unlike Galeon or Epiphany...
Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
in mozilla, type something in the adress bar , press down key and you get "search google for" , press enter and boom results are there.
I don't want to switch to a different search field or even set up parameterized keywords to do this.. Google search with 2 keys (down + enter) is for me the killer feature as i do this well over a hundred times per day
Get your facts right. Atlantis IS freeware. It's not opensource which is not a must and not violating against the licenses of GTK/GNOME.
If I am saying 1.3.1 i do not say nightly build.
/. . They are trying to help you, but if a bug exists "uninstall first" this is what they will always reply, even if the problem the reporter is heaving has nothing to do with XDOM dllÂs
1.3.1 happens to be the previous stable release. As is said in the comments of this bug: Why cannot clean the installer the old directory.
Answer from developer:
How to prevent data-loss if something (user-mail) is in that directory.
i think if you leave this to the user he sure is going to delete the wrong data.
AND YES I AM WORKED UP ABOUT THIS. Try posting something about a bug here on
Try telling here (i am not talking about bugzilla in the "every bug line) about some bug. They will point to the release notes:
"Install into a new empty directory. Installing on top of previously installed builds may cause problems."
That is an easy way to work around bugs. Just say "donÂt do that" in the readme.
And yes, i think it is strange there are critical bugs in a release candidate. These should be demoted to not important or the thing should still be called a beta.... AND/OR the bug should be explained in the readme. Still time for a 1.4.1. RC4 ?
(by the way, if you think that was a troll then never reply to it.)
It's freeware, which is different to being Free, I never said it violates GTK or GNOME licenses, but the simple fact is it ain't properly free, a fact that people have a right to know.
Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
Ok, will the next version of Communicator be based on Mozilla 1.4? When will it come out? Will Netscape give up on Mozilla after this happens? I need answers damnit! :)
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Sorry, but the facts are well understood. It is just the definitions that are differing.
Atlantis IS freeware, but it is still non-free. Contradiction in terms? I don't think so!
Yeah that's right and no secret after all.
VMWare is not 'properly free'
Accelerated-X is not 'properly free'
Quake 3 is not 'properly free'
Opera is not 'properly free'
A lot of so Software which is offered with source are not 'properly free' either. This doesn't tell anything about the reliability and usability of software. And not everyone can/should be forced to be a minion of RMS' license politics. Freedom don't stop infront of the license. Freedom also means that the author (in this case it's me) is allowed to decide whatever he wants to do. Licensing, distributing, programming all included. Most people are distribution users anyways, they look out for a suitable RPM/DEB binary package for their Distribution and install it. Freedom also means that it's even FREE to you to decide wether you use it or not.
in mozilla it's searchterm-down(up?)-enter,
:P)
in firebird it's tab+searchterm-enter (if you previously selected the location bar) or
ctrl+k - searchterm - enter (even faster than mozilla
I have not been able to get Mozilla 1.4 to install on one machine (with a lot of email). I installed Moz 1.4RC3 over 1.3.1, and I get a Windows program crash message, offering to send Microsoft data about the crash.
The release notes said to install 1.4 in a new directory, but I spent hours teaching Moz to store email in a folder other than the default. I don't want to go through that again. Moz gives the option to install in a folder other than the default, but does not make it easy.
I re-installed 1.3.1 over the bad 1.4, and it works, no problem. The version I had downloaded does not say 1.4 RC3, just 1.4.
On another machine, I had no problem installing 1.4. Both are running Windows XP, SP1.
I am anxious to begin using 1.4 because I've had many problems with 1.3.1 crashing after many instances and many tabs are opened, and some are closed. The crashing seems associated with Windows XP's limit of 21 programs open at the same time. (After that, the program list is displayed in a disordered fashion. That "feature" seems to have been put in by Microsoft to discourage people from opening a lot of programs.) Mozilla's crashing seems to corrupt Windows XP, too, so that a reboot is required to restore full functionality.
When either Moz or Firebird crashes, all instances and all tabs crash. It would be great if instances were completely separate from each other. I can buy more memory, if needed, much easier than I can repeatedly lose work.
I've seen the same crashing of Moz 1.3 under Linux with many instances and tabs open, when some tabs are closed. I reported the problem, and there was speculation that there was stack corruption. I hope this is fixed in 1.4.
Moz/Firebird are not perfect, but they are by far the best, in my opinion.
i'ts always a good idea to uninstall any app before upgradeing it
I agree with you IF the application was unimportant for you. But in a real application you have spend a considerate amount of time colleting and entering your dat, you want to upgrade, not replace.
That is why they call in upgrading sometimes....
My fonts looked like crap too, until I understood that I'd have to RECOMPILE FREETYPE MYSELF with patented hinting algorithms enabled. Those are disabled by default, but very very easy to re-enable by just getting the SRPM, editing one variable on the few first lines of the .spec file, and doing rpmbuild -ba freetype.spec.
What do you mean you don't want to switch search fields??? You obviously had to consciously say "I want to do a search" at some point and click on the address bar before you typed the search terms, the location bar does not constantly have the keyboard focus. What difference does it make if you click the address bar or the search box?
Funny, when I see newbies install mozilla here and at the LUG installfests they download it and simply double click on the installer to run it. no Command line to remember or needed. This is why I reccomend that they dont install mozilla from redhat because of redhat's silly idea of putting it where it doesn't belong... although most of them have moved to mandrake so this will become a moot issue that is only with redhat.
now when every release comes out, they simply download the linux-installer version click on it and install it. no effort, redhat update doesn't try to hose it because it was never installed via rpm, and everything is peachy.
much easier than an RPM, much more familiar to a windows convert.
the hard part is getting someone to make a installer package with java and flash instead of having to use the one site on the net that has the web-installer.
No, redhat users should never EVER install mozilla from rpm.. it causes more trouble than it's worth.
RPM's are good for system files, but not for apps that have their own superior installer and are a rapidly moving target.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
BTW, why is the parent modded "Redundant"? It is on-topic and (s)he was the first to mention this in this discussion.
Moderators, be aware, you will receive the smackdown in meta-moderation.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
RedHat Rawhide has RPMs of 1.4 (but not RC3 based yet) that are much less buggy than the mozilla.org builds and also features antialiased text now.
This looks more and more like a beta testing phase.
I'm having serious rendering problems after a few minutes (and several tabs) using Mozilla on Windows. It doesn't crash, but everything (including the buttons and links bar) deteriorates until I have to shutdown Mozilla and restart. Annoying.
I think I'll have to go back to Mozilla 1.3.
here is an intersting website by a moz developer (which sadly is not a parody but the REAL thing.. this guy is dead serious). http://mithgol.pp.ru/Mozilla/
Both sad and funny at the same time.
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Yes, Mozilla does look like ass otherwise. And not nice ass, I'm talking Rosie O'Donnell ass.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
A link to gnu.org isn't gonna get you anywhere. While we're all grateful for the work RMS has done, his ideals are extremist views and i think most everone knows that. Free is free, even if it's not open source. You're trying to redefine common words to further your own idealogy. There is nothing wrong with refusing to use non open source software, but don't try to pervert it into something it's not. The author(s) choose not to release the source for whatever reason. It's not the choice i would make, it's not the choice you would make (i'm guessing), but it is their choice, and free is still free. Why do you take exception with that statement? There may be alternate definitions of free, but someone once said that the truth is what the majority of people believe. And to them, free is beer not speech. You're trying to force strict semantics on us while being loose on them yourself. The fundamental problem with the gnu philosophy is that it's based on idealism rather than logic. There's a place somewhere in the manifesto, i don't recall where, that basically says "all the logic says to do {the standard commerical way}, but that's wrong so do it our way instead." This isn't an anti-"free software" post, as i support the idea, but gnu-style idealism is become less relevant as we come closer to seeing their ideal realized.
This is what the googlebar is for
I can't imagine life without it, and if it wasn't ported to Mozilla/Phoenix, I wouldn't have switched from IE
I'm not getting the link toolbar in 1.4R3. Doesn't matter if I tell it Show Only if Needed or if I say Show Always. Does it work for anyone else?
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Has anybody noticed that Firebird gets progressively slower as your cache increases? I find that when I do a fresh install, the browser is snappy, and generally faster than IE. Over time, however, I am forced to wait up to 5 seconds to load a page from a fast web server only a few hops from me.
Clearing the cache seems to fix the problem somewhat. I also reduced the disk cache size to 5MB. Has anyone else had a problem like this?
"Smoking helps you lose weight - one lung at a time" -- A. E. Neumann
Why do not they go to Mozilla Firebird directly ?
Much faster, much smoother, as much bug ?
-SLK
I don't think we get enough Mozilla RC updates. Maybe we can start getting updates letting us know the status of nightly builds.
Now for the heart of my complaint. In Mozilla 1.2 and before, once you had focus on the location bar, double-clicking the location bar selected all, just as it does in Internet Explorer and numerous other Windows apps that have boxes for file names and URLs.
In Mozilla 1.3, the behavior was changed to: double-click selects a "word", and triple click selects all. The philosophy being, the location bar is like a mini text editor, so it should work like an editor. See this Usenet thread. (Frankly, the "word" that is selected after double-clicking has never been of much use to me.)
The problem is, I think (this is my theory) there is something fundamental in Windows where "triple-click" is not a real operating system event, like double-clicking, so some other kludge is used to time the clicks. Or maybe Windows XP or the mouse driver is just broken, I don't know. But anyway if I have the mouse speed set for fast clicking, I can't get triple-click to work at all. If I set the mouse speed slow, I can triple-click as long as I click not too slow and not too fast, but you have to get the timing just right. Half the time it seems I get it wrong and have to try again. And I hate having to set the mouse speed slow because that screws up what I'm used to with other apps.
I know this isn't the right forum for bug reports - I've been meaning to study this problem in more detail, logging Windows events and times so I can make a convincing case and write up a useful bug report, but time has just been slipping by and I'm afraid the final release (an important one from what I hear) will happen before this can be properly addressed. I will try though, I promise. :)
Am I just being fanatically nitpicky, or does this bother anyone else? (Well, at least I got it off my chest...:)
URLs using telnet:// do not work in Linux (and other UNIX systems). telnet:// URLs work for Win32 and MacOS. Workaround: Install protozilla from http://protozilla.mozdev.org/. (Bug 33282)
is STILL NOT FIXED!
although there is a patch available for it, I dont understand why they dont integrate the damned thing.
Maybe you didn't read everything I wrote. Installing over an old version worked on one computer, and not another.
Also, Moz should handle everything for me. Moz/Firebird is the best browser in a world that needs a browser. The install problems should be fixed. Most people don't have the technical expertise to do what you say, since, as the previous comment says, it involves copying mail files and tricky setup hassles.
Mod parent up!!! I didn't know that.
Is it just me or does the cursor in Moz/FB hover over the last character typed thus making it extremely painful to edit text on web forums like this one? How hard would it be for someone to move the cursor a few pixels to the right? I used to be a die hard IE fan, then I got into Opera, but got sick of the 30% of sites that Opera failed to render. I've been using Firebird as my main browser on win32 and While it's still not as polished and bug free as IE (see above), I've come to find many of its offerings to be of superior quality/usability over IE's. Tabbed browsing never really worked for me on win32 with Opera, but "just works" in Moz/BF. I'd prefer the interface to act more like a standard windows one, however, that's another slight bugbear of mine. For example, an extra mouse click is required when selecting text in the address bar or forms to stop it from thinking I want to drag the text to another form/window. Perhaps there's an option in the Advanced Options extension I recently downloaded, or perhaps that's just "the way it works". Either way, I'm sure I can get used to it. Thumbs up Moz/FB developers - you've done yourself proud.
While Extensions are nice and all, the post does nothing to answer the original question. None of the extensions there add search engine functionality into the *URLBar*. The whole point was to not require typing into another textbox for search engine functionality. (Like Mozilla has)
Uninstalling Mozilla before installing a new version is a good idea. But more importantly, you need to make sure that Mozilla is installed into an *empty* directory! The former doesn't necessarily guarantee the latter, especially if you have installed any add-ins.
Using the developer preview for Panther, Mozilla refuses to work.
I hope they can get this issue fixed before the Gold Master.
There's only one thing I'd like to see changed between RC3 and release: make it stop crashing within minutes any time I turn on Javascript.
Poor kitty.
Mozilla now has smooth scrolling. It is disabled by default. To enable it, use about:config to add the boolean preference general.smoothScroll with a value of true. To disable smooth scrolling, set the value of the pref to false.
Why disable it by default? Seems like it's a neat new feature that you'd want enabled by default. Any ideas...?
And Lynx is back in! Hubba Hubba!
Mod this up. Please :)
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled - R Feynman
Does anyone know where a FAQ exists for using NTLM with Mozilla? I've been through every dialog box in the preferences and googled for it to no avail. I saw this announcement as exactly was I was looking for to allow me to stop using IE at work, but I've yet to get it working.
What good is a feature that is too obscured to use?
501 Not Implemented
I really hope there is a Mozilla 1.5 ... the roaming code finally is about done and it would be really nice to have a final version of the monolithic Mozilla that includes roaming. It is one of the biggest corporate (and geek for those of us who implemented it at home) features that never got recoded into Mozilla from Netscape 4.x
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/. ... copy and paste the link to see the item. It looks like it will go into Beonex and hopefully the standalone Mozilla browser, but alot of companies have adopted the monolithic Mozilla and it will be some time after the change to standalone versions before they switch again.
See this bug:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124
if you're interested in the feature. I didn't hyperlink it since their Bugzilla doesn't like requests referred from
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
1) Surf to some.fuckedupsitep roduct=widget&page=1
2) Click on a product or article link: http://some.fuckedupsite/show.pl?foo=bar&baz=bat&
Often, I want to do one of the following:
3.a) Crap! This is a 7-page article! I want the "one page version" with less banners that I can read with one slow drag on the mousewheel, but the link to "print me" is a Javashite function that says "printarticle.pl?...samestuff". So gimme the printable version already, even if I'm too lazy to enable Javascript!
3.b) I'm in a hurry and want to get to the analysis and conclusions on "page=7" without forward-clicking through pages 2 through 6 which are just gonna be 2 lines of text and 20 screenshots of benchmarks each. (Doofus webmaster didn't put a drop-down menu - just forward/back buttons - so even with Javascript on, I'm screwed without the ability to modify a portion of the URL)
3.c) I want to go to "product=wodgit", because I just realized I don't want a new widget, I want a wodgit! (Particularly handy if we're talking stock charts - just change the stock symbol in the URL that points to the 8K .GIF of the stock chart, rather than realoading 100K of HTML forms!)
So I...
4) Mouse up to the location bar, and then...
I want to:
5.a) Click before the word "show", drag over the next four characters, selecting them, and type "printarticle" to overwrite them with what I hope will be the URL to the script that generates the printable version
5.b) Go to page 7: Click between "=" and "1", drag the mouse over the "1", selecting the "1", which I overwrite by and typing "7", then hit ENTER.
5.c) Click between "w" and "i" in "product=widget", drag over the next four characters, and type "odgi", and hit ENTER to get the same product page for "wodgit", without having to jump through half a dozen "Hi, are you a small business consumer, or a home consumer?(Click...wait) Are you in the US or Europe? (Click...wait) Now that you've jumped through our marketing department's hoops, were you interested in learning about Widgets or Wodgits? (Click, finally!)" hoops that some e-commerce wannabe got paid to annoy his customers with.
I'm sure there are other cases where manually editing mouse-selected portions of the URL bar are useful, but those are the ones that come to mind most readily.
To summarize:
Single-clicking the URL bar should display a cursor *in* the URL bar at the place where the click took place.
To enable drag-select operations like those outlined above, the cursor must appear in the URL bar on mouse-button-down, not on mouse-button-release.
Double-clicking the URL bar should select the entire URL so that the user may type a brand new URL overtop of the current one. (e.g. "I'm done with fuckedupsite, gimme Slashdot", as if we didn't already have Slashdot as our home page :)
[Correct me if I am wrong here]
In my experience, this always happens with all types of caches since as the cache gets larger, the seek time for any item in the cache increases since it has to seek through a larger pile. The hit rate will go up as the cache expands, but the seek time will also go up. In short, they slow down. Nothing Mozilla can do except further optimize their cache structure and search methods.
Odd. It seems like the RC2-->RC3 path was VERY short. RC2 came out what--a week ago?
Any guesses on why this is?
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
I switched over to Debian Unstable a couple months back, and have been thrilled with it so far. One thing that's baffeled me though, is being unable to find a repository with recent versions of mozilla on it. Without fail, whenever I think I've found one it turns out to be an apt repository for redhat. Are there any repositories out there for debian unstable that offer up the latest versions of mozilla?
Everything will be taken away from you.
Gee whiz, 5 points for mentioning the latest opensource product where it doesn't apply.
God bless the thunderbird authors, but are you seriously suggesting that people abandon their current mail product for a product that is still in alpha development?
I remember hearing talk quite a long time ago about plans to allow spellchecking of textboxes, such as on slashdot, from a menu in mozilla. Anyone know if this feature is still planned once the dictionary is offcially added in? I'm using Mozilla for the moment, as the spellcheck feature is broken in the cvs build of kde right now. And for the most part I actually prefer it to konqueror, but that spellcheck is to me the killer feature which dictates which I use.
Everything will be taken away from you.
Hulk smash RC3!!!
The source code is available. If you want it fixed, fix it, submit it, and be done with it.
You mean Mozilla is supportive of Communism? And people that develop moz are too? Whodathunkit?
Oh wait, just a troll. Whew. Mozilla is just a software program. Mozilla has no political leaning. It just renders web pages. Good deal.
You're trying to redefine common words to further your own idealogy.
The alternative to redefining words is using existing words. But which words? Spanish has libre for "having freedom" and gratis for "free of charge". What single word does English have that unambiguously means "having freedom"?
Will I retire or break 10K?
This is a deal-killer. The problem needs to be solved. People who have installed Mozilla on hundreds of machines won't mess with install problems, they will abandon Mozilla instead. The biggest problem is this: Getting the email client to work after installing into an empty directory is tricky.
Should tens of thousands of people have problems, or should a few people fix the install program? My vote is the latter. Mozilla has WORLD importance. It is the browser of choice for governments, for example, which must use open-source software.
Asa, something needs to be done about the install problem. See my comment here: #6296165
People just can't go around to every machine doing a lot of hand work.
If you download Firebird, be sure to install the Flash Click to Play extension. It replaces Flash objects with a nice button that you can click on to view the actual Flash object.
Having that thing makes me so happy I want to cry! It's as good as pop-up blocking for some sites with lots of annoying Flash ads!
We use Mozilla as the Browser+Mail app at work.
So I know about some "issues" (bugs) that have shown, and searched Bugzilla for them.
Often they are in Bugzilla, and there is some thread of discussion and the notion that they should be fixed. E.g. the very slow operation of IMAP, even when the server is very fast.
I also reported two bugs myself. One was a cosmetic bug that attracted some attention, and is now in state NEW. Another one, that is much more important, is still sitting in state UNCONFIRMED after a month, although it has a very simple and clear reproduction scenario.
It does not seem the above bugs will be fixed in 1.4, and it also seems that will be the final release (or will there be a 1.4.1 etc to fix problems that are not showstoppers?)
With so many bugs still open (also mentioned by others), what use it is to test these RC versions and report more bugs? I can report a couple of bugs offhand, but I am reluctant to spend a lot of time to do the dup research and to spell out clear reports and scenarios, when there is no real chance that the bugs will ever be fixed.
What do others think?
do you still have the sega/nintendo argument?
no, but we still have the sony/nintendo/microsoft argument.
I haven't seen a MacOS 9 binary release for a long time... not since v1.2.1 anyway. Am I left to compile on my own or has the Mozilla project dropped support altogether?
Sure, it's fluff and browser overhead, but IE's support for partial transparency and filters looks classy (IMO). Since Milonic was in the news recently, I'll use their latest beta as an example.
Are these effects proprietary and would Mozilla ever bother with them?
anyone figured out how to play a wav or any sound file under linux to alert when new mail arrives?
The mozilla.org tarballs don't include the development headers. The RPM packages do. If you want to compile Epiphany, Galeon, Skipstone, or one of the other fine gecko-based browsers, you have to have these installed. The alternative, if you don't want to use the packages, is to either compile mozilla from scratch also (fine if you have 12 hours or so free), or pick the relevant parts out of the mozilla source tree and manually install them somewhere yourself. Of course, you can install any of the above browsers from binary packages...but these will have a dependency on the RPMs for Mozilla, so you will have to have them installed then too unless you want to break your distribution's package system.
Not to mention the fact that the Mozilla binary releases usually have a lowest-common-denominator feature set enabled, and are unlikely to have support for Xft, or GTK 2.x, etc.
"(Man) tries to live his own life as if he were telling a story. But you have to choose: live or tell." --Sartre
What the heck sites are you going to that 30% don't render in Opera ? Exaggerate much ?
:-).
I use Opera 6 under Linux, 7 under Win98, and rarely come across a page that has a problem these days, and usually have 20-80 tabs open (particularly in the Linux version, after I go on a "surfing frenzy"
As for tabbed browsing, oddly enough, I prefer the Opera 6 interface for that, and the "Open link in background" feature is one of the main reasons I use Opera. There's nothing quite like opening 5-10 results from a Google search in the background, for example, then reading through them to find the useful ones - in Mozilla opening a window in a new tab takes focus to that tab too, so you have to keep clicking back and forth to the Google search tab.
David.
You are on crack. Where did you get this idea that XP can only handle 21 programs? Point me to a knowledgebase entry that says as much. I imagine it's more likely that at that stage, your computer is running out of RAM. My computer has 1.5GB of RAM and I have never experienced a problem with having up to 35 windows open.
There should be an option to make this standard, not only for flash, also for java, and any other plug-in. Maybe even pics could have "click to show" as well, could make for some blazing speed web surfing and help people get "to the point".
Artix
Your Linux, your init.
You said, "Any organization that rolled-out Mozilla widescale obviously did it out of zeal and not from reading the release notes..."
This would be a more acceptable view in a more perfect world. However, in my opinion, organizations don't have any better choice than an imperfect Mozilla. Internet Explorer has limited features (no tabbing, for example), and many unpatched security holes. Opera is spendy, and doesn't offer HTML email formatting.
Internet page display technology is very, very imperfect. CSS doesn't have all the text formatting features, for example, so that users are required to provide their own system for some features.
Netscape is not an option for governments and large organizations that must be completely open. Netscape just lost a court case over a sneaky element of the browser, in which a user's activity was tracked by AOL. See Wired News: Netscape Settles Software Issue. Would you trust them again?
Moz isn't perfect. It crashes with too much activity. When it crashes, all instances crash. But Moz is the best of a VERY imperfect lot.
The goals may be different but the effects have been identical. The only difference in the effects of the different socialist movements (afaik) is one of scale; the communists have managed to murder a lot more people in a lot more places and are still around. National socialism got more or less wiped out with the end of WWII.
I don't see how Mozilla using swastikas (sp?) would be any better or worse than their current red five-pointed star. In my mind, both of those socialist logotypes (and others) stand for murdering millions of people.
The Mozilla team's excuse for using the red five-pointed star is that they connect it with being revolutionary. IMO they could just as well use swastikas (sp?) because they are connected with trying to take over the world. Both ideas suck big time, but one has been implemented and they refuse to let it go.
Installed the Bubblemon yet?
AC, I've never tried crack.
After XP reaches 21 programs, the programs are displayed on the taskbar using a weird algorithm. Some of the programs that are loaded don't appear at all. Apparently this is done to discourage people from running more programs. Otherwise, why?
The spaces are added to any long string of non-space characters. This is so that long lines can't be added to make the tables that the default site scheme uses unusually wide. A better fix would be not to do the site layout with tables, but I digress!
However, you should probably be creating HTML links anyway:
HTML links are much nicer than bare URLs!