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Savage 2 is now is pre-beta (I got an email a few days ago with a download). The Linux client isn't available yet (apparently they are having opengl problems?). But it'll be a fully supported linux game. The pre-beta looks pretty fun, Savage 1 was a pretty decent game, part 2 looks to be a lot better in many respects. The beasts are a lot less like cave men now and more.. beasty. Not all the features are there yet, but it looks like it'll be a good game. For those who don't know its sort of a combination of RTS and FPS, a lot like battlefield 2142 (with a commander and such), except with structure building. Well, and magic. Erm, imagine Warcraft 2 playing from the view of a soldier almost.
Funny thing was, it was announced years ago. I pre-ordered a copy and then forgot all about it until I got the email, heh. There are other linux games out too -- Dominions 3 for example may be somewhat graphically simple, but the game is fantastically fun -- really modable too. Tremulous is a open source game thats a lot like Natural Selection. It runs natively in linux -- its a good game. Linux gaming might not be on the same level as windows is for new releases, but... Cedega does play many games. Its unpopular with the slashdot crowd, but it does let you play a lot of your games.
Not a lot needs to be done for me to drop windows completely, right now its on my machine only to play a few remaining games I cannot yet (BF2142... @#%@ you Punkbuster). I've been a big linux gamer for years now, I owned most of Loki's games (sigh, I still get misty eye'd thinking about those lost possibilities), so, I figure by the time UT2007 comes out I'll be done with windows pretty much forever. Not a @#$%ing decade and a half too soon either. Shesh.
and I tell you they are NOT as good. The designs are not nearly as good as they used to be. Lenovo has not kept up the same level of quality in any regard. IBM when from my favorite laptops (for business!) to my least favorite. Toshiba Tecra's are the business laptop of choice now IMO (just not the S1 series.).
Your not buying the stupid disc, your buying the music. Who cares about the CD itself, its just a method of getting the music to some kind of player. If I was just buying the disc I would pay the same price for blanks.
Its the music I'm interested in, and its what everyone else is interested in too. I've bought the music I wanted, now I should be able to play it where I want. Why the hell should I purchase TWO copies of the music? Thats so absurd. We've been able too, and allowed too, make copies of our music for personal use since forever. Its amazing that your suggesting that we don't have that right now. --SD
Firefox and GAIM do not require (m)any GNOME libraries to run:)
So, go ahead and use them. I've got both those installed in a KDE environment and only a few GTK libs installed, which are really quite small compared to the mass of GNOME/KDE libraries. This is on gentoo with USE="-gnome", so your particular, binary distro might want to install gnome stuff -- but there is always the source, and at least GAIM is very easy to install via source. What your actually bumping into is bad distro design -- on this subject I feel your pain.
I suppose your talking in a more general sense, but really, I have gotten by without using any gnome libs for years now.
RMS has nothing good to say because there is little or no good to talk about when it comes to big business. What good should he be talking about? From his perspective, its not free so its not freedom. Viewed from that lens, there is no good news here.
He talks about GNU because GNU is important too him. News flash. He feels GNU doesn't get the credit it deserves so he makes a point of attempting to get that credit.
He's ignoring the parts about Netbeans and J2EE platform because they were self serving. This one is really obvious -- its just Sun pushing java in these cases. Its an open source IDE for a non-free implementation. Why would he care about this? You know he wouldn't.
Without going into specifics, which I admittedly do not know, the reason, last I heard.. had to do with the size of the patch and it re-implementing similar things already in place. Linus would rather reiser4 was in smaller, more manageable patches and worked more cleanly with the rest of the system.
At least, this is what I understood about the issue.
I wonder how this is different from what Gentoo AMD64 currently does. Presently, I have 32-bit compat libraries installed. I run my 32-bit apps normally and they just work. I have games that are of course 32-bit only, and as long as I have 32-bit SDL and such installed they work 100% perfectly. Its optimal really... I'm not sure how it could be improved further.
Anyone know what exactly is going to be the "first" here? --SD
If he is using "GNU/Linux" instead of "Linux" then he is making a point that he acknowledges that the distro ships primarily with GNU tools running under a Linux kernel -- and that he thinks thats important enough to mention.
It has nothing to do with being a "GNU Nazi" (whatever that is, lol.) but more to do with giving credit where its due in the opinion of the poster.
If you don't think that GNU tools are important or worth mentioning then leave it off, but if someone else does, they should, in fact, mention GNU/Linux once and a while at least. I personally think they are worth mentioning -- to a point. Speaking "Gee Enn You Slash Linux" is a bear, I just call it linux when I speak but I can type out a few extra letters now and then to show my support for the GNU fellas.
Oh wait I can't. Not an OSS project. I can get the khtml part -- which I've already got because we real open source people made it. khtml is _L_gpl, so it can be linked to closed source code -- like safari. Safari is a closed source app that uses lgpl khtml. Good on them for using khtml, bad on you for lying about safari being OSS.
You CANNOT build safari with the webkit and other bits of source they give you. I'm getting tired of people claiming Apple is a lot more friendly toward OSS then it is. Its just using OSS for a free ride.
While Linux eye candy is some of the sweetest in the market, IMHO, it's one of the reasons Linux will never be mainstream.
I don't understand what you mean here, our eyecandy rules, so thats why we'll never be mainstream? huh?
What we need is a concerted effort from our worldwide developers to create better interoperability with Microsoft's Active Directory structure and better hardware compatibility.
Re: Active Directory: This is going on with the new Samba stuff. Its all being worked on as we speak, and in fact its coming along nicely. I think the samba team released a preview shortly ago.
Re: Hardware support: I'm tired of hearing this. We create all the drivers we can for the hardware we have specs for. Better hardware support has to come in the form of vendors helping us with it. Very little of this has to do with the linux kernel team.
What's also missing is the "zero-user" configurability that Windows has, allowing any user to load and install any application or hardware accessory without needing to be a hardware tech. Linux need to be engineereed to be "smarter" for the casual office user.
No offense here, but you don't work in the industry do you? You don't go to a corporate office and see users installing any shit they want, you don't see them swapping out the video cards or whatever. That sort of thing is useful for the home user, but its no good to the corporate user. Also, hardware autodetection is handled by the distros, and I know redhat and ubuntu do a pretty good job of it where the specs are properly released to the appropriate team. The casual office user doesn't install his own software, he uses what the admin put on there. Windows machines in a corporate environment are locked down hard. In this regard Linux is already setup nicely for a corporate environment and the casual office user.
Only until we solve the above issues and Linux becomes more mainstream on the corporate desktop should we worry about the eye candy factor.
If I had a dime for everytime I heard someone say something like this. Did it occur do you that different programmers are good at different things? Leave them alone man. When it comes to interoperability its a thousand times harder when you have to reverse engineer something to get it to play, you know MS doesn't want linux to have good AD support.
Linux has problems, but none of them are really the above. Obnoxious, ignorant vendors are the biggest problem, everyone who doesn't program is clamoring for better support, blaming the linux devs for not properly supporting their pet problem. Better MS Office? MS's fault. Better hardware support? ATI/nVidia/Broadcom/Whoever's fault. Better hardware autodetection? Same as the previous crowd. Linux moves against the grain of the rest of the industry and thus has a harder time of it.
Well, fair enough. Linux has its share of assholes like every group, but I'd wager that the guys who said drobbins was a sell-out weren't Gentoo users, or were the usual preteen troublemakers who don't pay their own rent and bills. But this is actually somewhat seperate...
It sounds to me like your saying that the Linux/Mac communities, which have so little in common they really shouldn't be grouped together like that... anyway, your saying that these groups have no reason to dislike MS and Gates but just do anyway. Frankly, thats a load of horseshit, and if you don't know why I don't think there is anything anyone could say that could change your mind on the subject. If you like MS thats fine, but Linux people as a general rule don't and with good reason.
And you deserve to be modded down too, but I won't do it. I'm a gentoo user, have been for many years now. When I heard drobbins was leaving for MSFT I was pretty choked about that in a way, but when I heard that it was because he had financial troubles and just needed a job that paid well... well, I understood. I wasn't entirely happy with it, but I understand that a man needs to pay the bills.
Now -- according to you, the everyone was seething about drobbins leaving for MSFT. It wasn't like that, we were all disappointed that drobbins had to end up at a place where we figured he wouldn't be happy and that was it. I spent a lot of time on the forums and on the irc channels back then and I never heard anyone call him a traitor or other shit like that. It made us sad, not angry -- those of us who are adults understand that you need a job that pays and sometimes that means not working on OSS all day long. drobbins MADE SURE that Gentoo would be free before he left and that proved to use that he was a good sort.
I didn't hear from these "purists" in the linux community, I don't think you did either. Some jackass somewhere might have said something but they were just some jackass somewhere and not a representative of anyones beliefs but their own.
Botton line: The Gentoo Linux community understood that their former leader had financial problems and needed a regular paying job. We wished him the best and still do.
Who's your auto/home/life insurer? How did you choose that company?
I use my state-approved government auto insurer that I am legally forced to use. (Canadian.)
What kind of car/truck/motorcycle do you drive (if any)? What makes you think that car/whatever is better than another (better enough to buy, at least)?
I drive a Toyota Corolla. I bought it from my dad for a good price.
What's your favorite breakfast cereal?
Probably Vector. Its tasty. I was having lunch at the old mans house and tried it there. I selected it from the shelf because it was the only option that wasn't some kind of bland soggy bran cereal.
What kind of shoes are you wearing?
Canada West work boots. I had to look on the bottom to remember. My job bought them for me so I could do IT work in a mine. I selected them from the store because they fit well and were on sale.
What's your favorite soft drink?
Probably Dr. Pepper.. but I like basically all pop just fine. I don't think advertising had much to do with this.. since I don't think I've ever seen a Dr Pepper add in Canada.
Do you own an iPod?
Those are fighting words where I come from, heh. No, I don't. I have a Lexar Sport, which I bought because... it was cheap, and plays mp3's from just about any usb flash -- I felt that was an easy to use, linux compatible, elegant solution.
Chances are, if any of the above apply to you, you've been influenced by advertising, either on the radio or TV or somewhere else.
I don't think any of the above really apply to me. My education has a strong focus on critial thinking and that might have an effect, although more likely I don't watch much TV and generally avoid being exposed to the media.
So I think that its entirely believable that someone isn't effected by advertising, I really don't think I am.
What a load of shit, at home I can use whatever I like, but at work I am absolutely forced to peddle Microsoft's shit. As it turns out, my service manager is a linux guy too. So the horrible irony is, a pair of linux guys are installing windows servers. We have a MCSA, and, even more ironic, he doesn't do any of the server installs or management. I tell you, its a very unique and special kind of hell. If I could just, "Not use it" as you say, you can bet your fuckin ass I wouldn't touch it with a stick ever again! (Maybe next job.)
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Savage 2 is now is pre-beta (I got an email a few days ago with a download). The Linux client isn't available yet (apparently they are having opengl problems?). But it'll be a fully supported linux game. The pre-beta looks pretty fun, Savage 1 was a pretty decent game, part 2 looks to be a lot better in many respects. The beasts are a lot less like cave men now and more .. beasty. Not all the features are there yet, but it looks like it'll be a good game. For those who don't know its sort of a combination of RTS and FPS, a lot like battlefield 2142 (with a commander and such), except with structure building. Well, and magic. Erm, imagine Warcraft 2 playing from the view of a soldier almost.
... Cedega does play many games. Its unpopular with the slashdot crowd, but it does let you play a lot of your games.
Funny thing was, it was announced years ago. I pre-ordered a copy and then forgot all about it until I got the email, heh. There are other linux games out too -- Dominions 3 for example may be somewhat graphically simple, but the game is fantastically fun -- really modable too. Tremulous is a open source game thats a lot like Natural Selection. It runs natively in linux -- its a good game. Linux gaming might not be on the same level as windows is for new releases, but
Not a lot needs to be done for me to drop windows completely, right now its on my machine only to play a few remaining games I cannot yet (BF2142... @#%@ you Punkbuster). I've been a big linux gamer for years now, I owned most of Loki's games (sigh, I still get misty eye'd thinking about those lost possibilities), so, I figure by the time UT2007 comes out I'll be done with windows pretty much forever. Not a @#$%ing decade and a half too soon either. Shesh.
Hell,
:)
I gotta admit...
I was pretty sure it was an old saying from Tennessee. Maybe Texas, but I was pretty sure it was from Tennessee.
--SD
Shit, thats a good one. I'm gonna use that.
Hmmm. I better stop telling people I use linux.
and I tell you they are NOT as good. The designs are not nearly as good as they used to be. Lenovo has not kept up the same level of quality in any regard. IBM when from my favorite laptops (for business!) to my least favorite. Toshiba Tecra's are the business laptop of choice now IMO (just not the S1 series.).
RIAA: "Help help! I'm being repressed!" ;D
But I think you're referring to yourself TWICE per instance!
Suck it down!! :)
--CK
Hi, your confused.
Your not buying the stupid disc, your buying the music. Who cares about the CD itself, its just a method of getting the music to some kind of player. If I was just buying the disc I would pay the same price for blanks.
Its the music I'm interested in, and its what everyone else is interested in too. I've bought the music I wanted, now I should be able to play it where I want. Why the hell should I purchase TWO copies of the music? Thats so absurd. We've been able too, and allowed too, make copies of our music for personal use since forever. Its amazing that your suggesting that we don't have that right now.
--SD
Easy! Rename your PC to HAL9100 or HAL10000 -- its an improved model thats less homicidal! :D
Well, screw you guys, I happen to love pr0n music.
Bow bow chicka chicka, bow bow. Rockin all night baby!
ROCKIN! How dare you condemn my music choices.
--SD
Hi,
:)
Firefox and GAIM do not require (m)any GNOME libraries to run
So, go ahead and use them. I've got both those installed in a KDE environment and only a few GTK libs installed, which are really quite small compared to the mass of GNOME/KDE libraries. This is on gentoo with USE="-gnome", so your particular, binary distro might want to install gnome stuff -- but there is always the source, and at least GAIM is very easy to install via source. What your actually bumping into is bad distro design -- on this subject I feel your pain.
I suppose your talking in a more general sense, but really, I have gotten by without using any gnome libs for years now.
Eh, I'd watch it.
Sounds good.
--SD
RMS has nothing good to say because there is little or no good to talk about when it comes to big business. What good should he be talking about? From his perspective, its not free so its not freedom. Viewed from that lens, there is no good news here.
He talks about GNU because GNU is important too him. News flash. He feels GNU doesn't get the credit it deserves so he makes a point of attempting to get that credit.
He's ignoring the parts about Netbeans and J2EE platform because they were self serving. This one is really obvious -- its just Sun pushing java in these cases. Its an open source IDE for a non-free implementation. Why would he care about this? You know he wouldn't.
RMS is being consistant.
Hi,
Without going into specifics, which I admittedly do not know, the reason, last I heard.. had to do with the size of the patch and it re-implementing similar things already in place. Linus would rather reiser4 was in smaller, more manageable patches and worked more cleanly with the rest of the system.
At least, this is what I understood about the issue.
I wonder how this is different from what Gentoo AMD64 currently does. Presently, I have 32-bit compat libraries installed. I run my 32-bit apps normally and they just work. I have games that are of course 32-bit only, and as long as I have 32-bit SDL and such installed they work 100% perfectly. Its optimal really... I'm not sure how it could be improved further.
Anyone know what exactly is going to be the "first" here?
--SD
Hi.
If he is using "GNU/Linux" instead of "Linux" then he is making a point that he acknowledges that the distro ships primarily with GNU tools running under a Linux kernel -- and that he thinks thats important enough to mention.
It has nothing to do with being a "GNU Nazi" (whatever that is, lol.) but more to do with giving credit where its due in the opinion of the poster.
If you don't think that GNU tools are important or worth mentioning then leave it off, but if someone else does, they should, in fact, mention GNU/Linux once and a while at least. I personally think they are worth mentioning -- to a point. Speaking "Gee Enn You Slash Linux" is a bear, I just call it linux when I speak but I can type out a few extra letters now and then to show my support for the GNU fellas.
I don't see any "madness".
.. its gentoo! Remember that the Gentoo mascot is "Larry the Cow". He could buy Gentoo and call it, "Larry Edison the Cow". :)
:)
If I had any photoshop skills it would already be done.
Why the hell is "Larry", who has horns... not a bull? He looks kinda.. gimped too. Oh well.
Hold up there my friend, I know your upset with yourself... but comparing yourself to SAP is far too harsh!
Hi,
No its not. Where can I download the source?
Oh wait I can't. Not an OSS project. I can get the khtml part -- which I've already got because we real open source people made it. khtml is _L_gpl, so it can be linked to closed source code -- like safari. Safari is a closed source app that uses lgpl khtml. Good on them for using khtml, bad on you for lying about safari being OSS.
You CANNOT build safari with the webkit and other bits of source they give you. I'm getting tired of people claiming Apple is a lot more friendly toward OSS then it is. Its just using OSS for a free ride.
Hi. :)
While Linux eye candy is some of the sweetest in the market, IMHO, it's one of the reasons Linux will never be mainstream.
I don't understand what you mean here, our eyecandy rules, so thats why we'll never be mainstream? huh?
What we need is a concerted effort from our worldwide developers to create better interoperability with Microsoft's Active Directory structure and better hardware compatibility.
Re: Active Directory: This is going on with the new Samba stuff. Its all being worked on as we speak, and in fact its coming along nicely. I think the samba team released a preview shortly ago.
Re: Hardware support: I'm tired of hearing this. We create all the drivers we can for the hardware we have specs for. Better hardware support has to come in the form of vendors helping us with it. Very little of this has to do with the linux kernel team.
What's also missing is the "zero-user" configurability that Windows has, allowing any user to load and install any application or hardware accessory without needing to be a hardware tech. Linux need to be engineereed to be "smarter" for the casual office user.
No offense here, but you don't work in the industry do you? You don't go to a corporate office and see users installing any shit they want, you don't see them swapping out the video cards or whatever. That sort of thing is useful for the home user, but its no good to the corporate user. Also, hardware autodetection is handled by the distros, and I know redhat and ubuntu do a pretty good job of it where the specs are properly released to the appropriate team. The casual office user doesn't install his own software, he uses what the admin put on there. Windows machines in a corporate environment are locked down hard. In this regard Linux is already setup nicely for a corporate environment and the casual office user.
Only until we solve the above issues and Linux becomes more mainstream on the corporate desktop should we worry about the eye candy factor.
If I had a dime for everytime I heard someone say something like this. Did it occur do you that different programmers are good at different things? Leave them alone man. When it comes to interoperability its a thousand times harder when you have to reverse engineer something to get it to play, you know MS doesn't want linux to have good AD support.
Linux has problems, but none of them are really the above. Obnoxious, ignorant vendors are the biggest problem, everyone who doesn't program is clamoring for better support, blaming the linux devs for not properly supporting their pet problem. Better MS Office? MS's fault. Better hardware support? ATI/nVidia/Broadcom/Whoever's fault. Better hardware autodetection? Same as the previous crowd. Linux moves against the grain of the rest of the industry and thus has a harder time of it.
Well, fair enough. Linux has its share of assholes like every group, but I'd wager that the guys who said drobbins was a sell-out weren't Gentoo users, or were the usual preteen troublemakers who don't pay their own rent and bills. But this is actually somewhat seperate...
It sounds to me like your saying that the Linux/Mac communities, which have so little in common they really shouldn't be grouped together like that... anyway, your saying that these groups have no reason to dislike MS and Gates but just do anyway. Frankly, thats a load of horseshit, and if you don't know why I don't think there is anything anyone could say that could change your mind on the subject. If you like MS thats fine, but Linux people as a general rule don't and with good reason.
--SD
And you deserve to be modded down too, but I won't do it. I'm a gentoo user, have been for many years now. When I heard drobbins was leaving for MSFT I was pretty choked about that in a way, but when I heard that it was because he had financial troubles and just needed a job that paid well... well, I understood. I wasn't entirely happy with it, but I understand that a man needs to pay the bills.
Now -- according to you, the everyone was seething about drobbins leaving for MSFT. It wasn't like that, we were all disappointed that drobbins had to end up at a place where we figured he wouldn't be happy and that was it. I spent a lot of time on the forums and on the irc channels back then and I never heard anyone call him a traitor or other shit like that. It made us sad, not angry -- those of us who are adults understand that you need a job that pays and sometimes that means not working on OSS all day long. drobbins MADE SURE that Gentoo would be free before he left and that proved to use that he was a good sort.
I didn't hear from these "purists" in the linux community, I don't think you did either. Some jackass somewhere might have said something but they were just some jackass somewhere and not a representative of anyones beliefs but their own.
Botton line: The Gentoo Linux community understood that their former leader had financial problems and needed a regular paying job. We wished him the best and still do.
--SD
Who's your auto/home/life insurer? How did you choose that company?
I use my state-approved government auto insurer that I am legally forced to use. (Canadian.)
What kind of car/truck/motorcycle do you drive (if any)? What makes you think that car/whatever is better than another (better enough to buy, at least)?
I drive a Toyota Corolla. I bought it from my dad for a good price.
What's your favorite breakfast cereal?
Probably Vector. Its tasty. I was having lunch at the old mans house and tried it there. I selected it from the shelf because it was the only option that wasn't some kind of bland soggy bran cereal.
What kind of shoes are you wearing?
Canada West work boots. I had to look on the bottom to remember. My job bought them for me so I could do IT work in a mine. I selected them from the store because they fit well and were on sale.
What's your favorite soft drink?
Probably Dr. Pepper.. but I like basically all pop just fine. I don't think advertising had much to do with this.. since I don't think I've ever seen a Dr Pepper add in Canada.
Do you own an iPod?
Those are fighting words where I come from, heh. No, I don't. I have a Lexar Sport, which I bought because... it was cheap, and plays mp3's from just about any usb flash -- I felt that was an easy to use, linux compatible, elegant solution.
Chances are, if any of the above apply to you, you've been influenced by advertising, either on the radio or TV or somewhere else.
I don't think any of the above really apply to me. My education has a strong focus on critial thinking and that might have an effect, although more likely I don't watch much TV and generally avoid being exposed to the media.
So I think that its entirely believable that someone isn't effected by advertising, I really don't think I am.
The subject says it all. Moving target anyone? :)
--SD
What a load of shit, at home I can use whatever I like, but at work I am absolutely forced to peddle Microsoft's shit. As it turns out, my service manager is a linux guy too. So the horrible irony is, a pair of linux guys are installing windows servers. We have a MCSA, and, even more ironic, he doesn't do any of the server installs or management. I tell you, its a very unique and special kind of hell. If I could just, "Not use it" as you say, you can bet your fuckin ass I wouldn't touch it with a stick ever again! (Maybe next job.)
--SD