"Fuck you, you're getting spyware and ads and a vendor lock-in app store whether you want it or not" is not compatible with your theory that Microsoft has been taken over by open source revolutionaries.
Musk is a union-busting cunt, just another Rand-worshipping shithead, so Tesla deserves to be boycotted and fail.
OTOH short-sellers and other stock-market gamblers are destructive parasites that cause far more harm than Musk ever could. Even the idea of them losing a billion is fucking hilarious.
No, you can not remove these apps, not unless (as i already said) you wipe your phone and install an alternative "ROM" like Lineage without installing gapps.
The most that google allows you to do is to revert to the versions of the apps that were first installed on the phone - i.e. uninstall any updates.
That's a powerful and very moving imagination you have there. You should write to the heirs of John Lennon and see if you can get it added to the song.
Also, they're free services and apps that you can't fucking uninstall even if you want to - the best you can do is revert all upgrades to the installed but unwanted google app.
To avoid having the google's cpu/ram/bandwidth-stealing spyware shit (like the Youtube app) on your phone or tablet, you have to root it, flash it with Lineage or something, and use microG rather than Google Play Services.
Which is why this google announcement is both a good thing and a rare instance of google shooting themselves in the foot. With luck, it will spur further interest in and development of google-free libs like microG.
ps: unicode is fucked here on slashdot. if you can't get your phone or whatever to use plain single-quotes instead of "smart" quotes, then just drop the apostrophes entirely. nobody will care - missing apostrophes are at least readable - and far better then "butchers apostrophe's" (which nobody seems to give a fuck about either).
that functionality is too important to put on an easily stolen, easily hacked device like a phone.
Only stupid people allow such devices have access to their bank or credit card accounts.
That's probably 90+% of the human population, but that fact doesn't make it any less true. Stupid is still stupid even if almost everyone else is equally stupid.
The following will cause an Intel CPU to fail catastrophically:
* pouring petrol on the Intel CPU and then igniting it.
* smashing the Intel CPU with a hammer
* dousing the Intel CPU in highly concentrated sulphuric acid
* urinating on the motherboard containing the Intel CPU
* increasing the voltage supplied to the Intel CPU to 100 volts.
* installing a computer with an Intel CPU in a cage with an angry Tyrannosaurus Rex
* targetting the Intel CPU with a nuclear bomb
These flaws are so severe that Intel should withdraw all of their CPUs from the market and file for bankruptcy immediately. Nobody should ever use an Intel CPU for anything.
I am releasing this vital information now without prior notice to Intel because I believe that they have no hope of fixing this flaw in any reasonable time frame.
Disclaimer (hidden deep within the near-impenetrable legalese on an obscure URL of my web site, just like CTS's disclaimer): the reader should assume that I may have a position on the stocks of any company mentioned in this press release.
You know, when it comes to liability for harm caused, neither incompetence nor negligence are much of an excuse.
BTW, unless you were involved in the design and decision process at Microsoft, you're just making assumptions about what their intent was. "Incompetence and negligence" are no more likely than "We'll fuck over these third-party software companies but pretend to be incompetent and negligent for plausible deniability".
Back when content was purchased on disk, it made sense...
"it made sense" is not the term I'd use.
"paying rent to the MPEG patent trolls was unavoidable" is more accurate.
Nobody should shed a tear for these trolls. They don't deserve any sympathy. They benefited from being parasites for far too long as it is. Now, they can go die in a fucking fire. And piss on them after the fire has gone out, not before.
This is not "millennials" trying to rename anything.
This is one of the many age old practices of employers trying to fuck over their workers.
In this case, the so-called "gig economy" is just piece-work or day-labour - ripping off the workers by attempting to falsely classify employees as independent sub-contractors so that they can weasel out of the wages and conditions they're obligated to provide to employees.
Are you an idiot sociopath indulging in some victim blaming, or a corporate shill doing a bit of paid astro-turfing?
Wishlists and vague descriptions of features are not. At best, they can be prior art preventing the patenting of an actual invention some time in the future.
In a few weeks, an avalanche of dirt (both true and untrue) from "anonymous whistle-blowers" about this Senator Wyden will start mysteriously appearing in news stories all over the country.
They'll continue at least until he resigns in disgrace, is imprisoned due to the absolutely totally not photoshopped(*) donkey-fucking kiddie-porn incest home movies, or commits suicide.
(*) The FBI have access to far better software than photoshop.
by doing this it magically becomes the operating system's fault that the CPUs are insecure by design.
"we documented how OS vendors could turn on the secure mode and cripple performance at the same time. they chose not to use it, so any security flaws are their fault".
I've done that and no, it doesn't stop the unwanted apps from ever running. If it did, then my Nexus 7 wouldn't exhibit the thundering herd of google crapware slowing the tablet to an unusable crawl every time I enable WIFI.
How do I know it's Youtube or whatever running? Because Youtube (etc) pops up dialog boxes complaining about timing out or running out of RAM or other resources. (BTW, clicking "OK" rather than "Cancel" is the right thing to do at this point because "Cancel" apparently means "Exit and re-start whatever the fuck you were doing from the fucking beginning", not the expected "Fuck off and just fucking die"...making things worse and extending the period of unusability by another 10 or 20 minutes).
This shouldn't happen. I never run Youtube on the tablet. Ever. I never run Google Maps either (i use OSM when I need a map). I've disabled them. I'm not allowed to uninstall them (on my own fucking property!), otherwise I would have done so long ago. They shouldn't be running at all. So, it shouldn't happen. But it does. Every Single Fucking Time that I enable WIFI on the tablet.
because the world needs yet another proprietary walled garden operating system that allows the manufacturer of the device to retain control over the purchaser's property.
wtf! how can anyone outside google think that this could possibly be a good thing?
On a Nexus device? Let's see, where to start? I know:
Google Play Services
Google Maps
Youtube
and all the other uninstallable google crapware that brings my Nexus 7 to its knees - completely unusable for 10-20 minutes - as the thundering herd of google spyware all tries to phone home at once whenever I turn on WIFI.
I NEVER even use Youtube on the tablet, yet there it is. Running. Using my CPU and RAM and bandwidth. With popups continually whining about timing out or running out of resources whenever WIFI is enabled - for 10-20 minutes, Youtube and the other crapware make the tablet unusable.
I installed Lineage on my latest android device, a new 10" tablet bought last year to replace the Nexus 7. No Google Play Services. No youtube or gmail or g maps. No google crapware at all. Fdroid and microG more than suffice for my needs.
I should install that on my Nexus 7 too...a 7" tablet is more portable than the 10" tablet, and useful as a backup device.
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"Fuck you, you're getting spyware and ads and a vendor lock-in app store whether you want it or not" is not compatible with your theory that Microsoft has been taken over by open source revolutionaries.
Musk is a union-busting cunt, just another Rand-worshipping shithead, so Tesla deserves to be boycotted and fail.
OTOH short-sellers and other stock-market gamblers are destructive parasites that cause far more harm than Musk ever could. Even the idea of them losing a billion is fucking hilarious.
so, "HA HA", I guess.
No, you can not remove these apps, not unless (as i already said) you wipe your phone and install an alternative "ROM" like Lineage without installing gapps.
The most that google allows you to do is to revert to the versions of the apps that were first installed on the phone - i.e. uninstall any updates.
That's a powerful and very moving imagination you have there. You should write to the heirs of John Lennon and see if you can get it added to the song.
Yep, asinine, to put it mildly.
Also, they're free services and apps that you can't fucking uninstall even if you want to - the best you can do is revert all upgrades to the installed but unwanted google app.
To avoid having the google's cpu/ram/bandwidth-stealing spyware shit (like the Youtube app) on your phone or tablet, you have to root it, flash it with Lineage or something, and use microG rather than Google Play Services.
Which is why this google announcement is both a good thing and a rare instance of google shooting themselves in the foot. With luck, it will spur further interest in and development of google-free libs like microG.
ps: unicode is fucked here on slashdot. if you can't get your phone or whatever to use plain single-quotes instead of "smart" quotes, then just drop the apostrophes entirely. nobody will care - missing apostrophes are at least readable - and far better then "butchers apostrophe's" (which nobody seems to give a fuck about either).
that functionality is too important to put on an easily stolen, easily hacked device like a phone.
Only stupid people allow such devices have access to their bank or credit card accounts.
That's probably 90+% of the human population, but that fact doesn't make it any less true. Stupid is still stupid even if almost everyone else is equally stupid.
The following will cause an Intel CPU to fail catastrophically:
* pouring petrol on the Intel CPU and then igniting it.
* smashing the Intel CPU with a hammer
* dousing the Intel CPU in highly concentrated sulphuric acid
* urinating on the motherboard containing the Intel CPU
* increasing the voltage supplied to the Intel CPU to 100 volts.
* installing a computer with an Intel CPU in a cage with an angry Tyrannosaurus Rex
* targetting the Intel CPU with a nuclear bomb
These flaws are so severe that Intel should withdraw all of their CPUs from the market and file for bankruptcy immediately. Nobody should ever use an Intel CPU for anything.
I am releasing this vital information now without prior notice to Intel because I believe that they have no hope of fixing this flaw in any reasonable time frame.
Disclaimer (hidden deep within the near-impenetrable legalese on an obscure URL of my web site, just like CTS's disclaimer): the reader should assume that I may have a position on the stocks of any company mentioned in this press release.
Johnny Mnemonic would be a much shittier story if E Coli were involved.
You know, when it comes to liability for harm caused, neither incompetence nor negligence are much of an excuse.
BTW, unless you were involved in the design and decision process at Microsoft, you're just making assumptions about what their intent was. "Incompetence and negligence" are no more likely than "We'll fuck over these third-party software companies but pretend to be incompetent and negligent for plausible deniability".
Lobsters are the next step.
Hooray! Ubuntu will finally have all the security and quality control of a corporate app store!
Sturgeon's Law is absurdly optimistic.
They got slapped on both wrists. That's really harsh.
"it made sense" is not the term I'd use.
"paying rent to the MPEG patent trolls was unavoidable" is more accurate.
Nobody should shed a tear for these trolls. They don't deserve any sympathy. They benefited from being parasites for far too long as it is. Now, they can go die in a fucking fire. And piss on them after the fire has gone out, not before.
fuck gnome and their useless title bars with their inscrutable fucking hieroglyphics rather than menus with words.
design a UI for illiterate retards and only illiterate retards will use it.
This is not "millennials" trying to rename anything.
This is one of the many age old practices of employers trying to fuck over their workers.
In this case, the so-called "gig economy" is just piece-work or day-labour - ripping off the workers by attempting to falsely classify employees as independent sub-contractors so that they can weasel out of the wages and conditions they're obligated to provide to employees.
Are you an idiot sociopath indulging in some victim blaming, or a corporate shill doing a bit of paid astro-turfing?
yes, exactly.
and even an invention isn't automatically patentable. It also has to be novel and non-obvious.
Ideas aren't patentable you fucking moron.
Inventions are patentable. Ideas aren't.
IT IS A FUCKING WISHLIST
Inventions are patentable.
Wishlists and vague descriptions of features are not. At best, they can be prior art preventing the patenting of an actual invention some time in the future.
In a few weeks, an avalanche of dirt (both true and untrue) from "anonymous whistle-blowers" about this Senator Wyden will start mysteriously appearing in news stories all over the country.
They'll continue at least until he resigns in disgrace, is imprisoned due to the absolutely totally not photoshopped(*) donkey-fucking kiddie-porn incest home movies, or commits suicide.
(*) The FBI have access to far better software than photoshop.
by doing this it magically becomes the operating system's fault that the CPUs are insecure by design.
"we documented how OS vendors could turn on the secure mode and cripple performance at the same time. they chose not to use it, so any security flaws are their fault".
I've done that and no, it doesn't stop the unwanted apps from ever running. If it did, then my Nexus 7 wouldn't exhibit the thundering herd of google crapware slowing the tablet to an unusable crawl every time I enable WIFI.
How do I know it's Youtube or whatever running? Because Youtube (etc) pops up dialog boxes complaining about timing out or running out of RAM or other resources. (BTW, clicking "OK" rather than "Cancel" is the right thing to do at this point because "Cancel" apparently means "Exit and re-start whatever the fuck you were doing from the fucking beginning", not the expected "Fuck off and just fucking die"...making things worse and extending the period of unusability by another 10 or 20 minutes).
This shouldn't happen. I never run Youtube on the tablet. Ever. I never run Google Maps either (i use OSM when I need a map). I've disabled them. I'm not allowed to uninstall them (on my own fucking property!), otherwise I would have done so long ago. They shouldn't be running at all. So, it shouldn't happen. But it does. Every Single Fucking Time that I enable WIFI on the tablet.
are you fucking stupid?
Yes. The answer is yes. You are fucking stupid.
because the world needs yet another proprietary walled garden operating system that allows the manufacturer of the device to retain control over the purchaser's property.
wtf! how can anyone outside google think that this could possibly be a good thing?
fuck. that.
On a Nexus device? Let's see, where to start? I know:
I NEVER even use Youtube on the tablet, yet there it is. Running. Using my CPU and RAM and bandwidth. With popups continually whining about timing out or running out of resources whenever WIFI is enabled - for 10-20 minutes, Youtube and the other crapware make the tablet unusable.
I installed Lineage on my latest android device, a new 10" tablet bought last year to replace the Nexus 7. No Google Play Services. No youtube or gmail or g maps. No google crapware at all. Fdroid and microG more than suffice for my needs.
I should install that on my Nexus 7 too...a 7" tablet is more portable than the 10" tablet, and useful as a backup device.
that's inconvenient for those who want to sell proprietary shitware, or distribute proprietary spying shitware for free.