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Hey Microsoft, Stop Installing Apps On My PC Without Asking (howtogeek.com)

Chris Hoffman, writing for How To Geek: I'm getting sick of Windows 10's auto-installing apps. Apps like Facebook are now showing up out of nowhere, and even displaying notifications begging for me to use them. I didn't install the Facebook app, I didn't give it permission to show notifications, and I've never even used it. So why is it bugging me? Windows 10 has always been a little annoying about these apps, but it wasn't always this bad. Microsoft went from "we pinned a few tiles, but the apps aren't installed until you click them" to "the apps are now automatically installed on your PC" to "the automatically installed apps are now sending you notifications." It's ridiculous.

511 comments

  1. They did ask... by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure its there, in the EULA we don't read.

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    1. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2

      Of course it is. It does not mean that this is a good business practice. Things like this erode trust and perceived reliability. I know I look forward to the day when an alternative gaming operating system rivals Windows via Steam. Currently there's no comparison, which is truly sad.

    2. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO, the EULA would be one hell of a cop-out to make - suppose it was true what MS is doing, o consent to install anything on your computer without you asking .. just feels like it'd never hold up.

    3. Re:They did ask... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      I'm sure its there, in the EULA we don't read.

      If you take the time to read the EULA, Microsoft makes it perfectly clear that "your" PC isn't "yours" any more.

      So just ignore stuff that they are doing with "their" PC.

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    4. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Things like this erode trust and perceived reliability.

      Are you kidding? Trust in Microsoft vanished a long long time ago for most of us here, and "perceived reliability" barely ever existed. These are little more than expected amusements for those of us who haven't touched Microsoft in decades.

      All the remaining users don't have any trust, they either have stockholm syndrome or are fully aware of the level of shit they put up with but have no other choice for pragmatic or technical competency reasons (I say this with no judgement, you guys have been fucked for a _long_ time and I feel sorry for you). Even those who switch to Apple just have a different kind of shit to put up with these days.

    5. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I didn't see any judgement on that. It isn't optional if you're a primarily PC gamer. I've installed Steam on MacOS and seen a pretty small selection of games, and those were mostly big enough to justify what was likely just a Wine compatible port (like EVE Online). I don't even know if they support Linux, but I imagine the selection is pretty slim.

    6. Re:They did ask... by FudRucker · · Score: 2

      just get a sony playstation console, save the PC for non-gaming stuff, thats what i did and i have less problems with gaming

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    7. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Playstation is not a good system for my gaming needs. I had a PS3 and played a few games, but then most of what I kept it around for showed up on Steam (FFX, Tales of series, etc). I know the PS4 is better than the Xbox One, but I can't stand controllers when keyboard and mouse are there. Microsoft is showing they suck, but it's still superior for my needs.

    8. Re:They did ask... by unrtst · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... Steam on MacOS and seen a pretty small selection of games ... I don't even know if they support Linux

      SERIOUSLY!?! Steam has been one of the biggest supporters of Linux. Their SteamOS _IS_ Linux. Their Steam Machines run Linux. They have over 1k games that run on Linux (probably most of the same ones that run on macs).

    9. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They erode actual reliability as well. When my surface pro 4 first came out it worked like a charm. Microsoft's Windows 10 upgrades have introduced bugs in sleep mode and the touchpad that drive me nuts.

      Microsoft has modified my system in a way that it no longer performs well, against my will and without my express consent. Can I return it for a refund?

    10. Re:They did ask... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I don't even know if they support Linux, but I imagine the selection is pretty slim.

      There are more than 3,000 games for Linux on Steam now.
      That said, very few of them are big titles, and a lot of them are Chinese/Japanese visual novels and girl-girl romance games, it seems.
      Also, Steam only supports Ubuntu with 32-bit. You can get it to work, of sorts, with some other linux distributions with 32-bit support, but then you're on your own, and some titles might not work, or might stop working when you update your OS.

    11. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      It's been a while since I checked. I'll have to take a look again. It's a shame I bet the files stored on my SSDs likely wouldn't share data and if I dual installed I'd have to pick between. I'll look into it when I get home.

    12. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu isn't the worst. Do you know if the offshoots from it support it? Thinking specifically Mint Cinnamon, etc.

    13. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the OP of the "Are you kidding? " post and your assessment is very fair... I like FSP games but to be blunt steam is a bit of a joke on Linux, I actually just hate the idea of having to install steam to get at the games, most of which aren't much of a game as you said. Their HL2 engine ports with the DX tranlation layer were a good effort, but that hasn't really produced much. All of my gaming fun on Linux comes from open source or free games. Open Arena is some nice fast paced fun, the ioq3 engine is super smooth these days, the game itself will probably make most hardcore gamers today cringe with the graphics, but if you want game play... there are some good Open Source Linux out there.

    14. Re:They did ask... by Powercntrl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know I look forward to the day when an alternative gaming operating system rivals Windows via Steam.

      Steam turned PC gaming into a DRM-laden dystopia. Add to it the drama* that comes with playing online, cryptocoin miners running up GPU prices, and most games being uninspired formulaic FPS rehashes, and it's no wonder the term "PC master race" was originally coined with sarcastic intent. By comparison, having to run Windows is a pretty minor fault.

      Besides, this article is a non-story. Every version of Windows has always shipped with a few annoying default settings, go in and turn that crap off - problem solved.

      * Gaming is taken way too seriously today. In the good old LAN play days, we'd (my friends and I) all use cheats, custom maps and weapon hacks because we weren't trying to see who was the best, we were just fucking around and having fun.

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    15. Re:They did ask... by mr_mischief · · Score: 4, Informative

      Linux Mint Cinnamon and Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE2) are both handling Steam just fine at my house and have been for many months.

    16. Re:They did ask... by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a shame I bet the files stored on my SSDs likely wouldn't share data and if I dual installed [the same Steam game for multiple operating systems,] I'd have to pick between.

      That depends on how an application's depots are configured. Each depot is a package that can be for one or many operating systems, one or many architectures, one or many languages, and either the base game or a particular add-on. A well-packaged Steam game would come as three depots:

      • Program: Specific to one combination of architecture and operating system but shared across all languages
      • Non-program localization: Those parts shared across all architectures and operating systems that pertain to one language, mostly strings, fonts, and pre-rendered signboard textures
      • Non-program, non-culture: Shared across all architectures, operating systems, and languages

      (Many developers refer to non-program depots as "assets", but others claim that the term "assets" devalues non-program works.)

      Thus you'd end up with a program depot per OS and non-program depots shared among OSes.

    17. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt they ASKED in the eula so much as informed you that they were going to be doing it, in ultra small text in the middle of a block of text that also gives them custody of your first born child when they reach working age.

    18. Re:They did ask... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Some games for PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 support mouse and/or keyboard.

    19. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Excellent. Thank you.

    20. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Your post is full of assumptions. I don't really play much in the way of FPS, unless you count Deus Ex, which is a RPG FPS. I have had minimal issues with DRM I've encountered. Windows 10 has many settings that cannot be turned off.

    21. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The EULA gives Microsoft the right to install anything, and to take anything away.
      You have no privacy with MS, as the EULA references an external document - which can change anytime MS deems it profitable.

    22. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things like this erode trust and perceived reliability.

      That ships has sailed, rusted out and sank a while back.

    23. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kubuntu 64-bit also works great... been running it daily for about two months now.

    24. Re:They did ask... by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      Besides, this article is a non-story. Every version of Windows has always shipped with a few annoying default settings, go in and turn that crap off - problem solved.

      Kubuntu shipped with a default setting for GTK apps that made the tool tips essentially white on a different shade of white. That's an annoying default setting.

      Windows 10 is installing addtional spyware on computers without the owner's knowledge or consent*. That's not an "annoying setting"; it's an unconscionable, unauthorized computer intrusion that should have Microsoft executives pulled into criminal court. And that's on top of Windows 10 itself being the biggest, most prolific piece of spyware ever written.

      * An EULA that you "agree" to, that you can't understand without a law degree and a spare 3000 hours of your valuable time, does not count as "consent".

    25. Re:They did ask... by adamstew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Besides, this article is a non-story. Every version of Windows has always shipped with a few annoying default settings, go in and turn that crap off - problem solved.

      RTFA. The point of the article is that you can't do exactly what you suggest people do. Per the article:

      There is, technically, a way to disable this and stop Windows from installing these appsbut it’s only for Windows 10 Enterprise and Education users. Even if you spent $200 for a Windows 10 Professional license because you want to use your PC for business, Microsoft won’t let you stop the “Consumer Experience” on a professional PC.

      The group policy or registry setting that disables this feature originally worked on Windows 10 Home and Professional in the November 2015 update when Microsoft originally added the Consumer Experience. But Microsoft went out of their way to make Home and Professional ignore this setting in the Anniversary Update. Now, only Enterprise and Education respect that preference.

      So unless you buy the enterprise edition of Windows (Cost: $84 per PC, per year, minimum 5 licenses), or are attending a university that will enable you to obtain the Education edition on windows (Cost: averages about $9,970 per year) you can't even do what you suggest. Windows explicitly ignores the settings that turns this functionality off.

    26. Re:They did ask... by youngone · · Score: 1

      When I get home tonight I'm going to finish crushing Shaka's coastal city with my fleet of frigates, then finish researching flight, so that I can spam out a bunch of bombers and take out his Impi army.
      Using Linux Mint on an oldish Lenovo laptop. Steam and Civilization V run really well.

    27. Re:They did ask... by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I'm currently still on Windows 7. And yes, I love my games. I'll have to upgrade to Windows 10 or 11 or whatever at some point but if things are as bad as now (and nothing suggests they'll get better) I plan to dual boot and use Windows as a games console

    28. Re:They did ask... by iampiti · · Score: 2

      Nope, it's not a "non story". All versions of Windows may have had some quirks but none before 10 has installed applications without the user's leave or forbid him from stopping the installation of updates, or displayed messages in the very same OS that are publicity for Ms' products or forced itself on users of previous versions without warning. Windows 10 is just user hostile.

    29. Re:They did ask... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Some games is not enough. It should be most games. I can understand 2D platform games not supporting the mouse, but otherwise it should be a requirement.

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    30. Re:They did ask... by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 1

      "You can get it to work, of sorts, with some other linux distributions with 32-bit support"

      I see Linux hasn't changed much over the years.

    31. Re:They did ask... by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      RTFA. The point of the article is that you can't do exactly what you suggest people do. Per the article:

      The "set internet connection as metered" workaround still works.

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    32. Re:They did ask... by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      I have had minimal issues with DRM I've encountered. Windows 10 has many settings that cannot be turned off.

      Can you resell your old games? Will they still install/work if the licensing server goes down? Is there anti-cheating, anti-patch malware bundled along for the ride?

      We've entered an era where user-hostile software is the norm. Windows 10 is just the icing on the cake.

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    33. Re:They did ask... by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      TFA is pointless. Windows 10 doesn't install any apps without your request if you turn off the settings "Occasionally show suggestions in Start" under the taskbar settings. Additionally the package responsible for installing these "suggestions" is called App Installer which you can simply uninstall and gone. You don't need any fancy educational or enterprise thing for it.

      The thing is if you do a search on this problem you'll find 100 different people suggest 100 different registry edits or group policy edits and 100 different people complaining that it doesn't work. Frankly I've given up on any article claiming you can't turn it off.

      Incidentally this single setting is also responsible for the suggestions to use Edge when you use Chrome, and also responsible for one of the two nagging OneDrive adverts.

    34. Re:They did ask... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to work with a company that's this hostile to you? Are you a Sony fan too?

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    35. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My computer works 24/7, there are no "down" hours when the PC can safely reboot, ever.

      How can I disable the reboots without purchasing the Enterprise license?

    36. Re:They did ask... by JThundley · · Score: 1

      PC gaming was already a DRM-laden dystopia. Keys and licenses for everything, every game having their own separate DRM system (although I'll agree that they were seemingly easier to crack back then). If you lost the key, you bought another copy, simple as that. PC gaming is a huge market now. Yes there are tons of shitty games and FPS rehashes, but if that's all you see then you aren't looking hard enough. Also, not all games on Steam actually use DRM. FTL is one such game that I copy right out of my steam dir and onto a flash drive for portable play.

    37. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      theres always options. dont play video gaymez. or play them on gayme konsoles. see? options. when your tool is a hammer, all your problems look like nails.

    38. Re: They did ask... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      That is not correct. Ubuntu is in fact the worst. :-)

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    39. Re:They did ask... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I see Linux hasn't changed much over the years.

      It's more that Steam hasn't changed much over the years. It cannot run on a modern Linux pure 64-bit pure system, only on those that have a 32-bit compatibility layer. And part of that problem comes from Microsoft Windows - instead of actually porting the games, the developers run them in Windows compatibility providers like Wine, and inherit the 32-bit requirements that way.

    40. Re:They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I've never really sold old games, so not sure. I've never had one stop working even when I was not internet connected, but I know there are some that do that. I have seen some anti-cheat stuff, but I don't really play online for much of anything.

    41. Re: They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I'll take your word on it. I used to be in the IT field, but joined the Air Force at 26 and have been doing space stuff since, so my exposure to linux hasn't been professional in a long time. Not surprisingly my IT experience has helped in many situations, however. I install it on stuff every few years to play with it. I currently have Cinnamon on an old Mac Mini in the kitchen, but that's it.

    42. Re:They did ask... by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Except, you can turn it off. You just have to deal with it the first time you use the computer. It isn't great, but it isn't like it keeps installing new apps after you turn the setting off.

    43. Re: They did ask... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I have this problem where sometimes a meeting will run longer than expected and I'll get a ticket because I can't get to the meter in time to add coins before it times out. No doubt your "workaround" would be to crush the car in a junkyard.

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    44. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll never add support for mouse and keyboard to the majority of multiplayer games, because it would create a two tiers of players. Dust 514 on PS3 tried it, but it was effectively impossible to play with joypad because you simply couldn't aim fast or accurately enough to compete.

    45. Re:They did ask... by CodeHog · · Score: 1

      How about CIV VI?

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    46. Re:They did ask... by DNAgent · · Score: 1

      Steam works perfectly on Debian testing as well.

    47. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice shitpost. An OS that forced itself upon users and continues to force apps on users is not the Windows that has existed for decades. Source: Been using Windows since 3.1.

    48. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can you resell your old games?

      No.

      Will they still install/work if the licensing server goes down?

      Varies by game. Steam does not require any DRM and developers are free to do whatever they like. Many use Steamworks for convenience, which is one of the more unintrusive DRMs out there and has long since been cracked and exists mainly to stop casual copying.

      Is there anti-cheating, anti-patch malware bundled along for the ride?

      If a developer choose to implement any. Steamworks natively does not.

    49. Re:They did ask... by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      Remember, if you don't pay for the product you are the product.

    50. Re: They did ask... by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Wow, you went all in and got a Microsoft computer as well. That's brave.

    51. Re:They did ask... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      So your solution to bad behavior in Windows is a workaround that helps you to NEVER UPDATE WINDOWS. Sooner or later there is going to be a security hole bad enough that you NEED to update, and then all this crud comes in anyway.

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    52. Re:They did ask... by DarkRookie · · Score: 1

      Looks to be covered in section 6
      6. Updates. The softwareperiodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

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    53. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except, you have to turn it BACK off every time there is an update. It's like it keeps installing new apps after I turn the setting off.

    54. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yay mouse and keyboard @ 30 fps with an entire second of input lag.

    55. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Windows explicitly ignores the settings that turns this functionality off.

      Saying a product provides a services, which then isn't provided, is fraud. It's not a big deal for one consumer but for 1 billion consumers, it's a hell of a 'fuck you' to both the buyers and the law.

    56. Re:They did ask... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Fairly sure I disabled all that shit and it still installed apps I previously removed when the creator's update came down.

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    57. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * An EULA that you "agree" to, that you can't understand without a law degree and a spare 3000 hours of your valuable time, does not count as "consent".

      So just say "Eula TL;DR, therefore I don't agree, therefore I WON'T buy the product." You still have choice - you can reject their terms and ditch windows.

    58. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just download the enterprise version and use kmspico to activate it.

    59. Re:They did ask... by youngone · · Score: 1

      Not yet. Apparently I can stream Civ VI from my windows box to my Linux box, but I'm not sure why I would want to do that.
      In my view Civ VI is not (yet) as good as Civ V anyway.

    60. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hes a microsoft shill or a deluded xbox fanboy. He bags everything from steam to google to kodi walled gardens to android and stays firmly tightlipped about saying anything negative about microsoft except on the spyware in windows 10 which he cant avoid. His comments about drm in steam are a joke when the xbox and the windows 10 store are far more drm invasive and microsoft has a decades long history of abandoning platforms such as gfwl, zune, windows ce store, windows phone store, windows arm store and their countless music platforms.

      Also his profile says he is 24 but he talks about listening to music on the radio in the early 90s. Both of those cant be true so i wouldnt take anything he writes without a grain of salt.

    61. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure its there, in the EULA we don't read.

      The last time I tried to read the EULA, it was still a work-in-progress.

    62. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GOG is drm free, and Crossover runs many Windows games flawlessly or with a little tinkering.

    63. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      its interesting because "Occasionally show suggestions in Start" doesn't sound anything like Install applications on to the computer...

      But then again that has been the entire point of windows 10, to obfuscate everything so that windows has complete control and unless you spend days at it you will not find every single setting that needs to be turned off which then will be turned back on after a major update.

      TFA is not pointless, but it doesn't directly address the issue which should be that these things are hard to change permanently and that Microsoft is now using consumers as focus groups and product testers.

      You actually point out the point of the article your self in your comment "The thing is if you do a search on this problem you'll find 100 different people suggest 100 different registry edits or group policy edits and 100 different people complaining that it doesn't work."

    64. Re:They did ask... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, there are many games that are much easier to play with a keyboard/mouse, most games consoles have had usb and/or bluetooth support for years so there's nothing stopping you from connecting such devices, and most games also have a pc version so the code to support keyboard/mouse has to be written anyway.

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    65. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, use kmspico to activate the Enterprise version.

    66. Re:They did ask... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      You don't, you just don't have a choice, or don't realise that any other options exist.
      If you ran a business, or owned shares in one where the choice was between:

      1, spend money to keep your customers happy, customers won't leave
      2, increase profit by alienating customers, knowing that they can't leave anyway

      Which would you choose?
      If you owned significant shares in a business, would you be happy to know that they were sacrificing potential profit unnecessarily?

      Microsoft have got into a position powerful enough that they can abuse their customers and get away with it, some people warned about this for years but many didn't listen.

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    67. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the dumbest, most misinformed post that i've seen in the new slashdot to date

    68. Re: They did ask... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      And i actively avoid prepaid cash-only parking for exactly this reason...

      Many parking lots are pay on exit, where you pay depending how long you were there. Others let you pay from your phone, so you can always extend without having to go back to the car.

      Vote with your wallet, even if there are no parking lots in the area like this you can favor other areas. Large out of town shopping malls are killing small town center shops and parking is a significant factor.

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    69. Re:They did ask... by vaibhav.dlv · · Score: 1

      * Gaming is taken way too seriously today. In the good old LAN play days, we'd (my friends and I) all use cheats, custom maps and weapon hacks because we weren't trying to see who was the best, we were just fucking around and having fun.

      This!!!

    70. Re:They did ask... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I am just waiting for my current M$ box to die before switching. I would still thing forced installation of aps would be criminal, you know your hardware space, you time to delete, your internet connection, surely that has to be criminal fraudulent, theft or resources. Where is the criminal prosecution.

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    71. Re:They did ask... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      PS https://www.change.org/p/micro... came across this after the story. Lets show the petition some love.

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    72. Re:They did ask... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      You're presenting a false delima. It's not an either or choice, there are many others. MS chose to screw their customers and lock things down ever tighter. They have always been responsive, attempting to own new markets by leveraging their clout. I can't name a single product that wasn't based on this approach after their DOS purchase.

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    73. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Upstream Debian stable works fine too. Multi-arch (running 32-bit Steam on 64-bit OS) seems very well designed as well.

    74. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very funny. Any legitimate way?

    75. Re:They did ask... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I could ditch the hobby I've enjoyed for decades, constrain my enjoyment of that hobby by removing my access to many of the best games, or maybe I could just dual-boot Windows, put the effort into locking the shitty thing down and get to enjoy computer gaming as it should be.

    76. Re:They did ask... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      the settings "Occasionally show suggestions in Start" under the taskbar settings

      Curious, my taskbar settings page doesn't include that option.

      Maybe I've killed it through the other shit I've done to lock down the OS.

    77. Re: They did ask... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Disable Windows updates?

      My PC never shuts down on me when I don't want it to.

    78. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah... 'DRM-laden dystopia'... LOL.

      If by dystopia, you mean 'product that does exactly what it's meant to do, and does it well, with a minimum of fuss', then you might be right.

      The only time I've ever even noticed any DRM in steam, let alone experienced issues with it, is when it's not Steam at all, it's something like u-play, or origin, or games for windows, or some other third party pile of shite.

    79. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ways and means of getting rid of it, yes, but next major update it'll just come right back again.

    80. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      girl-girl romance games

      I am very interested in what you have to say, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    81. Re:They did ask... by bazorg · · Score: 1

      I'm not 100% sure if it's pointless, as there are differences in how Windows behaves in different regions.
      For my machines in the UK, there are no funny ads or auto-installing/uninstalling apps.

      That's using Windows 10 Home (MS online account says: 10.0.16299.192), and Enterprise (winver says: version 1511, build 10586.1417) on the work machine. They could adopt a sensible naming convention, like Windows 10 Protruding Proboscis instead of all these meaningless numbers.
       

    82. Re:They did ask... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm special.

    83. Re:They did ask... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      the settings "Occasionally show suggestions in Start" under the taskbar settings

      It's under "start" not under "taskbar"

    84. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree Apple is CrApple. I am ready to try Linux I would NEVER use Anything Microsoft makes! I want them dead and gone. Stomp Billy's grapes if I could

    85. Re:They did ask... by doccus · · Score: 1

      ... Steam on MacOS and seen a pretty small selection of games ... I don't even know if they support Linux

      SERIOUSLY!?! Steam has been one of the biggest supporters of Linux. Their SteamOS _IS_ Linux. Their Steam Machines run Linux. They have over 1k games that run on Linux (probably most of the same ones that run on macs).

      Yeh true.. I had to do a double take on that too.. I only even *heard* of Steam because of Linux.. I'm not so sure that MacOs has even remotely the same number of steam games though. I'm not really in the know about that , however, as I'm a 100% pinball afficianado, and on Steam there's maybe, now, 4 games available, only one being native Mac, the rest Wine, which runs terribly on the newesrt versions of MacOS, at least for me. There's way more pinballs for windows, and I ought to know. I had EVERY single one ever released before my HD bit the dust. (still have several hundred pinball floppies & CDRoms scattered around my place) It took me several years to get every one working well on my windows drive, and I just don't want to put that amount of time in it ....ever again!
      Fortunately, *most* of the good ones also run on MacOS either on Wineskin or Dosbox / Boxer (can't say enough about Boxer!).
      Most will not run on 64 bit, however, so they're all obsolete on High Sierra. Thank gawd for multiboot!
      Back to Steam, though.. I have a couple of wine pinballs and "The Pinball Arcade".. which I believe to be the only native Mac pinball available via Steam.. I may have also bought the "Timeshock Ultimate Edition" through Steam, I don't know, but even so, it wiould still only count up to two pinballs available via steam on the mac!

    86. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure playing computer games can be considered a hobby.

    87. Re: They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't be done with any of the versions of Win10 that I can purchase.

    88. Re:They did ask... by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      I have GOG, too. And Origin. And I install stuff from the Mint and Debian repositories. And I still have older stuff on optical disk or *gasp* floppies. It's not all or nothing on a single vendor.

    89. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for this common sense information.

    90. Re:They did ask... by qubezz · · Score: 1

      The Creator's update or any other large update WILL put these settings back, because Microsoft completely broke the incremental update system that allowed patches to be installed on prior operating systems. These updates are now complete 2GB reinstalls of the operating system, and only the settings and user data that Microsoft cares to copy will be preserved. Set up a bunch of custom shell extensions, settings, hacked the registry to disable and block the countless tracking services and tasks? They all are right back after the OS is reinstalled from an "update".

    91. Re:They did ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, seriously. Trust in MS vanished in the 90's. Run Linux and get a super cheap Windows laptop for the one or two things you can't get done on a Linux box. I boot mine once every two years. No joke. No exaggeration.

  2. This is 2018. by Noryungi · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you are still using Microsoft Windows... I feel sorry for you.

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    1. Re:This is 2018. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      What alternative is there for games? Consoles suck because of their lamepads.

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    2. Re:This is 2018. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      In general, people who want a PC primarily for gaming wouldn't be bothered by this sort of thing in the first place.

    3. Re:This is 2018. by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 0

      Gamepads used to be merely inferior to mouse&keyboard... now they're downright terri-bad. Find me a shoulder button that doesn't die after a month. Find me an analogue stick that doesn't start drifting.

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    4. Re:This is 2018. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Primarily? No. But I enjoy gaming. And my privacy. What now?

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    5. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. You will find out old people dont like change which is why we are stuck with this ancient piece of shit.

    6. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are still using Microsoft Windows... I feel sorry for you.

      "Chris Hoffman is a technology writer and all-around computer geek. He's as at home using the Linux terminal as he is digging into the Windows registry. Connect with him on Twitter.", so he's just playing the technological idiot role for a paycheck. And M'Smash and Slashdot are in cahoots.

      I feel sorry for all of us who keep falling for this scam.

    7. Re:This is 2018. by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Games, and most business apps....

    8. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steam for Linux. I can't play Skyrim, but my history of Elder Scrolls addiction says that's not all of a bad thing.

      I buy all of my Steam games through the Humble Indie Bundle anyway, so I'm not all that worried about playing the absolute latest.

    9. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ that's some pretentious crap. Some people have to work for a living.

      When the CAD software runs of linux we'll see you there.

    10. Re: This is 2018. by Megol · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you are referring to Windows I'll just point out that Windows NT is the newest among common consumer operating systems.

      Mac OS - evolved from Nextstep - 1988 release.
      Linux - 1991 release.
      Windows NT - 1993 release.

    11. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dual boot - or - Duel boot.

    12. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using my current one daily since i got it over a year ago, and its fine.

      Maybe you should treat your toys with a little more care.

    13. Re:This is 2018. by tbuddy · · Score: 1

      Set your PC up around privacy then. It's not rocket surgery and it's not as though you need to click the apps and start feeding them your personal information. The fix for this issue will take fewer than 2 minutes including the time to Bing search to find it.

      This should do it assuming you didn't bother to spend the time to set your operating system up right from the getgo or read ahead before installing major patches as to what you need to do to stay up to snuff on privacy.

    14. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real jobs are programming jobs. We use Mac OS. All other jobs are temporary until we get around to "fixing them".

    15. Re: This is 2018. by CoolDiscoRex · · Score: 2

      Blame the customer for not doing enough to compensate for the companies shitty practices. Then wonder why the practices get shittier and shittier. Its the customer's fault, of course, after all, they could have ......

    16. Re:This is 2018. by DarkRookie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and Linux is not supported for the biggest games
      WINE hacks aren't that great in most cases.

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    17. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you have a job, locking it down is the responsibility of the IT department, and if apps are being installed without their consent, it's not the end-users problem.

    18. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony in that is that the newer titles are more likely to have native Linux support than the older ones. I've got 330 titles in my library, but only about 93 are compatible with Linux, most of them being newer titles from the last 4 years or so.

    19. Re:This is 2018. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The whole world is locked into Office

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    20. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What alternative is there for games? Consoles suck because of their lamepads.

      Linux. I've switched to Linux for gaming and I am really surprised how far it has come along. Steam works. Many good titles work. And wine covers a lot of the ones I have left over from Windows gaming days.

      If more people did this, there would be more push by the companies to port their stuff to Linux and we would forever be free.

    21. Re:This is 2018. by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't believe you have been marked insightful. The simple fact is that Windows is the dominant operating system for desktop computers. Apple's OS X is good but it has no where near the market share because is only available on proprietary hardware at a premium price and it has no where near the application base. And, don't even bring up Linux on the Desktop, which is just a joke.

      If you are still saying things like "f you are still using Microsoft Windows... I feel sorry for you.", you are nothing but a troll.

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    22. Re:This is 2018. by DCFusor · · Score: 1, Troll

      The alternative for games is called "adulthood".

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    23. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are referring to Windows I'll just point out that Windows NT is the newest among common consumer operating systems.

      Mac OS - evolved from Nextstep - 1988 release. Linux - 1991 release. Windows NT - 1993 release.

      I think you mean Windows NT - Directly stolen from VMS, 1977

    24. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not all that worried about playing the absolute latest.

      Ok, but you know that Skyrim is already 6 years old right? It simply doesn't qualify as "absolute latest", at all.

    25. Re:This is 2018. by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      Chicken and egg. There's some CAD software on linux, more would be there if paying customers would demand it.

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    26. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ that's some pretentious crap. Some people have to work for a living.

      When the CAD software runs of linux we'll see you there.

      It's just elitist dick measuring.

      I'm OS agnostic. As long as it works and does what I need it to do at the time I'm using it, I don't give a fuck what OS I'm using.

    27. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Real jobs are programming jobs. We use Mac OS. All other jobs are temporary until we get around to "fixing them".

      Hi there. I am in ops. I use Windows. Without me you don't have hardware to run the production code on and thus you don't matter. Also, learn to fucking comment your code and write proper logging so I don't have to go into your code with a fucking debugger to find out that you coded an off by one error into an if condition.

    28. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hartman is not blaming the customer - he's just pointing out that Windows is highly configurable. IMHO, if you haven't configured Windows to how *you* want it, you aren't using it right.

    29. Re:This is 2018. by Megane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So far, I can still get computers that will run Windows 7. Thanks to GPU improvements, and Intel being a bit weak in the upgrades department these days, even a seven year old computer (that isn't from Apple) is still relevant! I just got an Optiplex 790 i5 for $25 (with 12GB of RAM in it too, couldn't refuse that), and put a $110 graphics card into it. Runs OEM Windows 7 x64 Pro with no trouble, and that's what's on the license sticker.

      I'm still not sure what OS I'll be playing games on in a few years, but at least the one main game I play has a Linux version because it uses Unity.

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    30. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Playing games is a human thing, even though the exact kind of games we play change with age. What exactly do you think "darts" or "poker night" is? But make no mistake, had video games been an option earlier, you bet your ass there had been a lot of elderly people playing video games already.

    31. Re:This is 2018. by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Primarily? No. But I enjoy gaming. And my privacy. What now?

      Your privacy? That was pretty much gone loooong ago. Now they've come to take away ANY control you may have left over your computing experience, so they can subject you to constant propaganda-laced exhortations to conform, to consume, to rent-to-not-own, and to trust your entire to the Cloud and the corporations. In general, they're doing everything possible to get you to give up your autonomy and your ability to think critically. They haven't achieved that goal yet, but they are getting ever closer, and the writing's on the wall. But go on ahead and enjoy those games! Or, alternatively, you might consider that having to use Windows makes those games cost WAY more than the sticker price. Like, maybe, your soul ...

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    32. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS wrote off the bitchy and whiny tech wannabes who would rather complain about the evils of MS than configure the MS OS or any OS to their liking. While back in the real world people run applications not operating systems. There is still no suite of non-PM office applications that fulfill user requirements. Individuals and businesses have million of documents, spread sheets, and presentations that do not maintain their usability when converting them to some sub-standard open source alternative. The ole "good enough" argument is about as accurate as the security benefits from the whole "many eyes" paradigm of software development.

      Software is a means to an end you can chose the right tool to reach the end you are looking for. Endless complaining about minutia is as irritating today as it has always been even when the number of choices have increased. It hasn't been an MS and Apple only world for quite some time. And open source has provided more than enough options for you to build or improve any damn thing you want and if by chance you end creating something other than a bug riddled clones of existing applications you could lead the exodus off the MS platform and guide people to your promise land. If you think you know better prove it instead of standing around endlessly bitching about all the perceived wrongs in the computer world.

    33. Re:This is 2018. by Megane · · Score: 1

      I cringe every time I see footage of a FIRST Robotics competition on the local news, and some kid is holding a Logitech F310. I've personally had at least two of them die over the years because there is no strain relief on the USB cable, and the wires broke right where it comes out of the controller. The buttons can have problems too, but that assumes the wire lives long enough first. I later ended up with an F710, much better, even with having to replace batteries.

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    34. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think again. I will give you two examples.

      Example 1: my wife is an architect, and to cooperate with others she is forced to use AutoCAD and stuff, and to use it she needs windows. Maybe she could use mac, but linux is out of the question.

      Example 2: I'm POS developer, SDK for platform I'm currently working on is released for linux too, but various other tools are released only for windows. Most of the time I work on linux, but I need windows too...

    35. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, is 2018 the "year of the Linux desktop"? I was wondering when that would finally arrive.

      (looks around)

      Nope.

    36. Re: This is 2018. by Megane · · Score: 2

      Only if you call Linux (and Mac!) "Directly stolen from AT&T, 1972". NT has some security model concepts from VMS, but I used VMS in my college days, and NT is definitely not VMS.

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    37. Re:This is 2018. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Why would you say that?
      If you are into gaming, you want to get every ounce out of your PC. Having programs installed and running, will just mess with the effectiveness of your games.

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    38. Re: This is 2018. by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      I am in no way defending the previous post, but name of the OS doesn't necessarily reflect what it is today.

      In particular, the current Mac OS didn't evolve from its roots but is a BSD fork: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I will also point out that the current Windows OS didn't evolve, but devolved into spyware and an advertisement platform.

    39. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Don't challenge my beliefs, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL!!"

      He has no need for Windows, and he's entirely free to pity you. Whether Windows is the dominant platform is completely beside the point. Nobody owes anything or its users any kind of special respect just because they are many. In the end, objectively, shit is still shit, no matter of how much of it there is, and a spade is a spade no matter what you or your ilk want to call it.

      BTW, where did you get this idea that suppressing or soliciting suppression of people with different opinions than your own is the right thing to do? If you don't think you deserve pity, say so by using logical arguments, don't call for the thought police.

      And btw, I think you're pitiful, not only for your poor preference in operating system.

    40. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thing is, the a11y hardware and software I require only runs on Windows. So, for me, there are no viable alternatives.

      I will say that the hardware/software a11y industry has a really good racket going. Crappiest possible softweare/hardware, at the highest price, and the users can be ignored, because they don't pay the bills.

    41. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. We've been demanding it for years. The ecosystem is just too huge and entrenched in windows.

    42. Re:This is 2018. by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      It depends on what type of CAD you are referring to. There is serious progress in electronic design.

      https://fosdem.org/2018/schedu...

      As for other vendors, they are not going to change if they think that this is what you want.

    43. Re: This is 2018. by Megane · · Score: 1

      In particular, the current Mac OS didn't evolve from its roots but is a BSD fork

      If you are implying that "1988" meant the Classic Mac OS, then you are wrong. That would be 1984 (or even 1982, Lisa OS). And it uses a Mach kernel; it only stole the userland stuff from BSD. So "1985, Mach" might be more appropriate.

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    44. Re:This is 2018. by Megane · · Score: 1

      The real problem with Apple is that they don't really build their computers to run games, and even their desktop systems of the past few years have made it hard to get a good GPU at a reasonable price.

      So when it comes to games, I am still using Microsoft Windows (though I still bitterly cling to Win7), and I do feel sorry for myself.

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    45. Re:This is 2018. by citylivin · · Score: 2

      " I just got an Optiplex 790 i5 for $25 (with 12GB of RAM in it too, couldn't refuse that)"

      No offense to your point, but you got a really good deal there. a core i5-2500 (just the CPU) is still selling on the used market for at least 50 bucks. Because as you noted, its performance has held fast and will actually be faster than some 6th gen core i3...

      one of those core i5 optiplex 790s around here on craigslist would easily sell for at least $100-200. And my son has a 2nd gen core i5 and it plays all modern games fine (with appropriate video card and ram of course). The 2nd gen core chips are legendary for how they have held performance for like 6 or 7 years now. a 2600k still sells for $120 USD for just the cpu and they sell reliably like hotcakes at any price under that.

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    46. Re:This is 2018. by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Computers have games? Back in my day, computers were for work. Trolling is a form of work, it isn't a game.

    47. Re:This is 2018. by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Mostly electronics and IC design. You can do almost all of that, if not fully all of that, without touching Windows. Mechanical design options for Linux are non-existent.

    48. Re:This is 2018. by dommer2029 · · Score: 1

      The forced rollout of Windows 10 is what finally forced me to switch to Linux on the Desktop. There's a learning curve, and not every application I want is available, but at least I feel like it's my computer again - not a "device" on Microsoft's ecosystem.

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    49. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop throwing your controllers across the room like a 2 year old. Aside from the occasional cable shorting out before controllers went wireless, and a single Wii controller that mysteriously stopped working completely after 10 years with no explanation (a rarely used 4th controller that worked one perfectly one time and wouldn't power up the next), I haven't had a console controller go bad since the Atari 2600 (those things were notorious for bad buttons). If you are finding this to be some sort of consistent problem rather than a rare failure. then I suggest the problem lies with the user, not the hardware.

      Disclaimer: I only buy Nintendo and Microsoft systems. Maybe Sony makes shit hardware, but I wouldn't be qualified to speak on that.

    50. Re:This is 2018. by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      I am too. Except that I've gotten so used to being able to do what I need on a command line, I can't get past the amount of point-and-click garbage I have to perform to do even the most basic work on a Mac or Windows.

    51. Re:This is 2018. by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Use another OS and then boot into Windows only when you need to play games? A pain, but one way of avoiding stuff you don't care about. Of course the one down side is being bombarded by an endless update cycle if you skipped a month of gaming.

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    52. Re: This is 2018. by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      Mac OS - evolved from Nextstep - 1988 release.

      Hmm. A lot is conflated in the above statement, and since I've got time on my hands, here's the scoop:

      • * Apple has had three distinct OS architecture phases: Systems 1-6 (1984-1993), System 7-9 (1994-1997), and OSX (1997-present).
      • * The third/last of those phases (OSX) was not released in 1988 but in 1997.
      • * 1988 -- the date in your post -- does not correspond to the start or end of any significant OS architecture phase of Apple's.

      Not trying to be pedantic, but if the intent was to name a year corresponding to the current OS as we know it coming online (which I assume is the intent since WindowsNT was named rather than Windows3.x or Dos, for example), then the 1988 figure is off by ten years.

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    53. Re:This is 2018. by G00F · · Score: 1

      I partly disagree here. Only partly...

      First, i am finding many games boring now days... However, my children love playing games with me, from Left 4 dead, Tourchlight 2, even starcraft/broodwars.

      But sadly, I find myself unable to(and some what unwilling) to lose myself in games. Adulthood makes it irresponsible, as there are many things I have to, or need to do that take presedence. However I still get some downtime, it's expecially nice when I get to waste time with myds kids on this.

      But even whe nI want to play a game, there are few that I feel are worth it.

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    54. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the MS shill!

    55. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to CREATE an alternative for gaming.

      Gaming aren't sitting on Windows-only because it's the most awesome operating system ever. It's simply the operating system with the largest install base.

      Get enough people to start using Linux for gaming only, and demonstrate that there's a very real, very large, market for gaming on Linux and you'll see game development start to shift.

    56. Re: This is 2018. by dnwheeler · · Score: 1

      1988 is the year the NeXT computer was released. The current OSX is technically the latest version of the NeXT OS, so 1988 is correct.

    57. Re:This is 2018. by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Psssh, if you've got time to troll on /. you've got plenty of free time for playing games. Everyone has hobbies and playing games is just as valid of a hobby as most any other.

    58. Re:This is 2018. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      What decent schematics capture/PCB layout package is on Linux? Altium is nearly an industry standard, and it runs on Windows only. OrCAD schematic capture is Windows only. As far as I know, PADS is also Windows only.

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    59. Re: This is 2018. by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      I was not implying that. I just meant what I said; That the current Mac OS didn't evolve from its roots.

      ie: Nobody used to call it "Classic Mac OS".

      I did not mean to correct anything you said, but if you are in the mood to argue, we can talk about systemd :).

    60. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now, not much. Dual booting works about as well as anything. In the long run, unless Microsoft stops this kind of nonsense, more and more games are likely to be available on Linux or some other operating system.

      Neither Mac OS or consoles seem like a great idea, since they're all about vendor lock-in.

    61. Re:This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet all you need do to gain back your independent thought and critical thinking is to crack open a nice old book, or go for a walk in a field. We make too much out of these companies, and the mainstream media wrangles way too long, too often and too hard over stupid things like "tweets". They work themselves into frenzies over basically nothing. Recognize it for what it is: senseless hot air.

      As for Windows, configure and employ it in a way that serves your purposes and goals. If there's one thing that Windows is, is that it's configurable. Moreover - IMHO - if you haven't configured Windows to how to want it, you're not using it right.

    62. Re:This is 2018. by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      between 2 controller i treat well and have dropped ZERO times, I have 3 bad shoulder buttons, and 1 drifting stick.

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    63. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even remotely true. I was a big fan of VMS back in the day and Window NT is nothing whatsoever like VMS, not at the API level nor at the end user level.

    64. Re:This is 2018. by Entropius · · Score: 1

      Not the scientific world. Whenever someone in my field wants to author a document it's LaTeX or Markdown. Whenever someone wants a database it's awk/sed/grep/perl/python. On the rare occasions someone wants a spreadsheet it's Libreoffice as often as it is Office.

    65. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a joke . Even microsoft has problems with ms office opening older saves.

    66. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem there isnt steam or linux . Its bethesda who are anti linux.

    67. Re: This is 2018. by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      Ah. A fair point.

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    68. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac OS X derived from OpenStep / NeXTSTEP. NeXT did not come out in 1984. Apple bought NeXT from Steve Jobs to get the OS to make modern Mac OS. It is not based on the original from 1984.

      Yes, NeXTSTEP used the Mach kernel (2.5 i think) with some modifications and some BSD code. XNU, the modern Mac OS kernel is derived from Mach and BSD code. XNU isn't really Mach nor BSD at this point.

    69. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why cad software. The number 1 most popular cad software is hands down autocad and in 1996/7 microsoft paid autodesk to make the software windows exclusive. Before that, autocad ran on a a dozen or so different operating systems including linux. It wasnt until a few years ago that autodesk and micoroft's close relationship waned and they came out with a mac release. But by then the engineering industry was and still is firmly entrenched in windows for autocad. The damage is done so its not a fair comparison to question why the industry leading cad software isnt on linux. Because its in a chicken and an egg situation now created by microsoft.

    70. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in the legal world either where wordperfect still dominates because there is more control over the formatting than msoffice can ever provide.

    71. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And it uses a Mach kernel

      Not really... you can't download the Mach source and build a Darwin kernel. XNU is not Mach nor BSD but a hybrid of both.

      > it only stole the userland stuff from BSD.

      You can't steal what is freely given!

    72. Re: This is 2018. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      You're wasting your breath, losers will always tear others down to build themselves up, it's a defence mechanism that protects their ego.

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    73. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No real programmer would use shit like Mac OS!

    74. Re:This is 2018. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      So dual boot, or have a separate machine for gaming.
      As a bonus, your gaming system will have less unrelated crap installed, and so will run the games more efficiently.

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    75. Re: This is 2018. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      And they say Linux isn't ready for the desktop...

      You're expecting users to make registry edits following directions from a website?
      And how is the average user supposed to know that the directions posted on some arbitrary website actually do what they claim, and that they aren't installing some kind of malware?

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    76. Re:This is 2018. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      My experience matches yours. Shit, imagine that guy trying to use a Quickshot 2 joystick.

    77. Re: This is 2018. by Megol · · Score: 1

      LOL! Nope!

      Windows NT is a design that was to be object based, was to support many operating systems personalities and was to be based on a modular design close to a microkernel (but not a pure one). Now compare that to VMS.
      Then continue comparing goals and implementation of those goals until you feel compelled to post an apology for claiming something that ignorant.

    78. Re: This is 2018. by Megol · · Score: 1

      Can't you read? Mac OS previously known as Mac OS X is derived from Nextstep (NeXTSTEP) that was first delivered with the first NeXT workstation in 1988.

      But yeah, I could (somewhat dishonestly) point out that Nextstep was based on a combination of BSD (part of the original UNIX lineage) and the MACH microkernel (well "micro"kernel at least). But that ignores the fact it wasn't just a copy and paste but an integration of those previous systems into a new one, one that was released to customers in 1988.

      And Windows NT have evolved as much as any other operating system. Don't expose your ignorance like that if you want to be taken seriously.

    79. Re:This is 2018. by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

      ^^^THIS^^^

    80. Re: This is 2018. by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Yes I can read you condecending asshole.

      Picking what suits your argument and ignoring the rest is where you should check your honnesty.

      You can keep having this discussion with yourself.

    81. Re:This is 2018. by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      The simple fact is that Windows is the dominant operating system

      There is more than 10^16 ants on Earth. Do they run the world?

      for desktop computers

      I know a guy that has an entry in Guinness world record book for number of forks he could stuck in his hair. The point is: if you pick the right metric, you can be #1.

    82. Re: This is 2018. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but he is pushing some Windoze-Kleeup tool from an "English as a second language" website...
      What a douche.

    83. Re:This is 2018. by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      A) I said "dominant" then you tried to use the quantity of a non-dominant species as a measure of dominance. Are you deliberately dishonest or simply stupid?

      B)The metric was set by context of the conversation. Trying to challenge the already established metric used is dishonest, so it appears we have the answer to my question in A.

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    84. Re:This is 2018. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Apparently they make adapters to use N64 controllers over USB. Not that the N64 controller is a great controller, but Nintendo's quality is far better than just about anything else today.

    85. Re: This is 2018. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're going to argue that, I could just as easily claim Windows NT is a derivative of OS/2, which pushes the date for Windows NT back to 1987.

      Also, technically Linux is not an OS, it's a kernel. The oldest Linux-based OS (that is still around) is Slackware which dates back to 1993. The BSD kernel, of course, is much older than that.

  3. Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pihole.

  4. Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I left Microsoft for Ubuntu in 2006. I have never regretted it.

    Download - Linux Mint

    1. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      I've done the same at work but at home, I still like playing PC games which makes the switch impossible.

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    2. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Impossible?

      - Disconnect all hard drives from you home machine
      - plug in a new drive
      - Install Windows 7
      - Install required service packs offline - avoid the latest ones
      - Install Games
      - Shutdown
      - Plug in Linux drives
      - Boot with Grub.

    3. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, do people repeat this afterwards each time they buy a new game? What about games that will only work on Windows 10?

    4. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Of course you do not need repeat this every time. Are you intentionally being dense?

      Boot into Windows when you want to use it, including to install a new game.

      If you are hopelessly addicted to a game that only work on Windows 10, render unto Microsoft the things that are Microsoft's. You can likely just as easily dual boot with Windows 10, but you may wake up one day to find out that it decide to wipe out your other drives. You will then have an investment in a powerful computer that is little more than a gaming platform.

      If all you do is play games you should be fine.

    5. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Dual booting isn't that easy. Personally I don't reboot more than every month or two because I don't like having to go through making sure everything is saved in the programs that won't fully restore, and then waste a few more minutes waiting for the reboot process to finish and opening up whichever items again and entering my password a few times for things. Rebooting is simply unpleasant. And when you dual boot, you suddenly remember something you wanted to do in the other OS. That's why I've only booted to my Windows partition once. (Virtualization would be more palatable but I don't have a real purpose for Windows so haven't bothered yet. And for games virtualization would be bad.)

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    6. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      I agree that rebooting is not that all pleasant, but when I don't know what you mean by "go through making sure everything is saved in the programs that won't fully restore". That said, I have no arguments with anything you have said.

      When I reboot my system to Windows, it is because my work is done. Gaming is not that important to me, but I occasionally indulge. The day I cannot use Windows 7, I will either switch to steam on Linux or not bother at all.

      Going through an orderly shutdown is not a bad thing once in a while. I use virtualization as well because I have a use for it. As you know, one does not exclude the other.

    7. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by quantumphaze · · Score: 1

      Personally I don't reboot more than every month or two because I don't like having to go through making sure everything is saved in the programs that won't fully restore, and then waste a few more minutes waiting for the reboot process to finish and opening up whichever items again and entering my password a few times for things. Rebooting is simply unpleasant.

      This is why we need some hiberboot shutdown option that is a hybrid between hibernate and reboot. I usually hibernate when I want to switch between Linux and Windows but would prefer to not have to push the power button and wait the additional delay that cold boot adds vs. warm reboot.

      Note that you should not mount a hibernated Windows NTFS partition in Linux, sharing files would have to happen some other way.

    8. Re:Abuse Ends When You Leave The Abuser by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I don't like having to go through making sure everything is saved in the programs that won't fully restore

      Well, you're fucked if there's a crash then.

      waste a few more minutes waiting for the reboot process to finish and opening up whichever items again and entering my password a few times for things

      Booting takes seconds, or just set it going before you go for a shit.

      Entering your password a few times is hardly onerous.

      Rebooting is simply unpleasant.

      I do it every day. Or more accurately, I boot every day - I shut down my PCs while I'm sleeping, as I don't need them running and they use power.

      It's no big deal.

  5. Better yet... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It UNINSTALLS programs without asking. About 3 months ago an update rolled out that Win10 said Quickbooks "Conflicted" with. So, without user interaction or ANY way short of pulling the plug to stop it, it Uninstalled Quickbooks from the users PC. Then did it to 3 more... Win10 Between the Spying "Metrics" it collects, and the Forced Auto-installs, and now it appears forced Installs, is by far the most "In your way" OS that Microsoft has ever produced. A STARK contrast to Even the Annoyances of Win7 and Win8.1.

    1. Re:Better yet... by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      I really like many of the things they have done in the Windows 10 interface, particularly compared with 8. But controlling your applications, privacy concerns, and ignoring what the user explicitly selected is completely unacceptable.

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    2. Re:Better yet... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Informative

      Today (Feb 15th 2018) is the day Microsoft has been telling me they are going to remove the PDF reader and I should use 'edge' instead. The singularity of stupid has arrived.

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    3. Re:Better yet... by toejam13 · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that the annoyances under Windows 7 are starting to drift upward. My W7 desktop woke up from sleep mode late last night to install some system updates. Even though both Excel and Notepad++ know how to gracefully close when a shutdown signal is received, when I logged in this morning, neither app restored their previous state. So a couple hours of work went up in smoke. I can only guess at how those apps were killed to cause that behavior.

      I used regedit to add a key that disables automatic WU reboots. Hopefully another update doesn't delete it.

    4. Re:Better yet... by Topwiz · · Score: 1

      My biggest gripe is that on every major update it resets my security settings so I can no longer connect to other computers on my home network. I also have a script that allows me to use .hlp files. I have to re-run that.

    5. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even though both Excel and Notepad++ know how to gracefully close when a shutdown signal is received, when I logged in this morning, neither app restored their previous state. So a couple hours of work went up in smoke.

      You do realize that both of those programs have a "save" function, right? It works pretty well, and would have prevented "a couple hours of work" from vanishing.

    6. Re: Better yet... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      2018, not 2008. The whoosh is strong with this one.

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    7. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop using regedit to perform this task manually, and instead let somebody else worry about the cat-and-mouse game of how best to disable automatic updates and reboots. Look into OOShutup10, which does that and much, much more.

    8. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to do that in Win7 starting in 2011 or so. Automatic forced reboots are something that only the sickest of patronizing douchebags would push. Winblows NEVER behaved like this before, and I, too, lost a day of work over this. Nothing like coming to your computer in the morning expecting a build to be done and finding your two dozen windows all gone and a blank screen taking their place. It's not as bad if the system tries to reboot and something blocks it, but NO, the behavior by default is just like hitting the reset button.
       
      When I worked in the IT department and ran everything on XP, we had everyone log off at night. If they didn't, the updates wouldn't happen, and we would simply call up the 5% of employees in the morning and have them reboot their machines.

    9. Re:Better yet... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      It's been regularly and reliably uninstalling every time I've reinstalled the "games" pack from Win7. It's good for a few days, then 'update' and it's gone.

      So I guess Windows does have some pretty robust and reliable auto-functionality, you just have to be on the developer side of the fence to deploy it.

      No, I'm not getting their shitty MS Store Win 10 versions.

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    10. Re: Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So how is it waking up after a 10 year coma? Look up who is the president if the US now (small spoiler, the previous one was black. Not even joking)

      Good to know casual, pointless racism is still going strong on Slashdot.

    11. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be carefull with windows update on windows 7 and 8+ machines, since most of windows 10 telemetry and update practices were backported to those OS.

      Probably, you need to uninstall spyware updates from windows 7 and block them. Use a third party utility to do so.

    12. Re:Better yet... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Today (Feb 15th 2018) is the day Microsoft has been telling me they are going to remove the PDF reader and I should use 'edge' instead. The singularity of stupid has arrived.

      To be fair Edge is far better at reading PDFs than any of the other shit that comes on Windows 10. .... It's actually also the only thing I use Edge for because god knows it's a frigging worthless browser. But at least for PDFs it has pen support built in so I can hand-markup and save PDFs. This is something even Acrobat Pro fails miserably at.

    13. Re:Better yet... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I downloaded evince and made it the default PDF reader. It seems to work fine and it's not a browser.

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    14. Re:Better yet... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I always wonder about people for whom Ctrl-S is not a natural key combo while thinking about the start of the next paragraph they're going to type.

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    15. Re: Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been trying without success to use the Edge bowser since it came out. It cannot connect, and nothing helps. Makes it extra galling with Micro$ofts daily badgering to use the useless thing.

    16. Re: Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf did u xpect?

      happy on linux

    17. Re:Better yet... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying, is that you've gotten used to unreliable software and can't understand people who expect their tools to work reliably?

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    18. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you use Microsoft Windows you should know to be prepared.

      I have an annoyance with the work computer where the window focus is lost from time to time. The computer is pretty locked down so I haven't been able to locate the source yet.

    19. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the uk, that deletion would be illegal under the computer misuse act...

    20. Re:Better yet... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      As it happens, yes.

      Some of us grew up in a time when computers would crash for no discernible reason at all, when software could fail, when hitting 'save' was insufficient (save again on a different tape/floppy in case the other one got lost/broken/corrupted), when working reliably meant you could trust the damn thing to do what it did last time you entered that command.

      Just because mean time to failure is much higher now doesn't mean failure wont occur so yes, hit save, make backups and use source code control systems.

    21. Re:Better yet... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I use that tool. Got my first Windows 10 PC, went through the settings, the registry, the scheduler, the policies, locked the lot down.

      Then downloaded OOShutup10 to keep it locked down following every update. I'm lazy.

    22. Re:Better yet... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's fine, but it also lacks integration features with Windows 10 which is kind of the point here. The whole purpose of shipping a PDF reader with Windows 10 is that it interacted with ink spaces and the whole other shebang that most software doesn't. These features have been far surpassed by Edge which is why Reader is being depreciated.

      If you just want to show a PDF, the sky's the limit for software, including free software. If you want something more than each damn package has its ups and downs and none, even the expensive commercial options tick every box.

    23. Re:Better yet... by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      My first experience with Windows10 was on a spare evaluation system. I ran the compatibility appraiser and it told me the machine was compatible with Windows10.

      Only after the installer fully completed did it tell me that 11 applications were incompatible and were completely deleted without even a warning, let along asking permission. Also, I had no sound or network access. Some compatibility appraiser!

    24. Re: Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh yourself. The point was even subtle: Microsoft did all the things you're complaining about a long long time ago, and no one can figure out why you're only just now starting to complain.

    25. Re: Better yet... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Microsoft did all the things you're complaining about a long long time ago

      I'm complaining about one very specific thing (removing the windows 10 reader application) and they did it yesterday.

      Of all the things that happened a long long time ago, dropping the reader application is not one of them.

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    26. Re:Better yet... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Listen, you young whippersnapper. I got used to saving all the time when I was using floppies that bent rather than floppies that were stiff. I got used to unreliable hardware and software a long time ago.

      Too bad Microsoft hasn't made the necessary improvements since then so I wouldn't have to save all the time.

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    27. Re:Better yet... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Microsoft no longer does individual updates for Windows 7 and 8.1, and now does monthly roll-up updates where you can't pick and choose and therefore get everything. Therefore, if you don't want to have telemetry in Windows 7 your only option is to disable updates and basically run an unpatched version of Windows 7 from 2016.

  6. This stuff was bad enough when it was free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But now users are paying for it and crap like this is going on?

    1. Re:This stuff was bad enough when it was free by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of people aren't paying for it. Loads of gamer types who build their own PC are using unactivated Windows 10, something they would have had to use hacks to be able to do with XP.

      So MS have loosened up the rules on paying for the OS but at the same time monetized app auto installs. Consider. If you buy a PC it comes with a load of crapware preinstalled - Norton Internet Security, Anti virus and so on. Most of those are trials - after a month or so they prompt you for a credit card to get a subscription. Now some percentage of PC users will dumbly hand over their credit card, and some percentage will work out they can uninstall it and use Windows Defender instead.

      So each machine with trial software on it will generate a certain amount of revenue for the software vendor. Which means the software vendor can pay PC vendors to install trial software.

      People have argued that the price of the trial ware knocked off a significant percentage of the cost of a Windows licence in volume. The problem from MS's perspective is that all the cash went to the vendor and WIndows got poor reputation for performance because things like Norton Internet Security absolutely killed performance.

      Now with WIndows 10 and push installs MS have a chance to get in on the act. Some software vendor can do a deal where they pay MS to push install their software.

      PC vendors probably won't get to install Windows for free though - there's no reason for MS to allow that and it would kill their revenue. However people building their own machines will probably get to use unactivated windows for free. Possibly MS will segregate things so that unactivated windows will get software pushed while corporate machines where the company pays a per seat license will not. I.e. 'free' windows can be monetized in a way that doesn't require the users pay a fee.

      Or maybe they'll sell Microsoft Insecticide

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    2. Re:This stuff was bad enough when it was free by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      A lot of people aren't paying for it. Loads of gamer types who build their own PC are using unactivated Windows 10, something they would have had to use hacks to be able to do with XP.

      Microsoft is actually offering an incentive for some not to purchase Windows 10 since forced updates don't occur when you don't activate.

    3. Re:This stuff was bad enough when it was free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually according to the latest Steam Survey, gamers are mostly still running Win7. Directx12 hasn't offered much over 11 that most people felt the need to toss 7 and move to 12.

  7. Hey Samsung! by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop installing Facebook on my phone without me agreeing with that.

    But you know what? You can uninstall Facebook app from Windows. Hell, you can uninstall Windows altogether from your PC and still have a usable PC. But I can't uninstall Facebook from my Samsung Galaxy A5 (2016) and I sure as hell can't uninstall Android from it.

    So who's the greater evil?

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    1. Re:Hey Samsung! by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Nice deflection.

    2. Re:Hey Samsung! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Still Windows. I need my computer for work, leisure, communication and lots more. I need my phone to make friggin' phone calls with people I don't like.

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    3. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I can't uninstall Facebook from my Samsung Galaxy A5 (2016) and I sure as hell can't uninstall Android from it.

      So who's the greater evil?

      Perhaps you should buy an iPhone next time. No need to deflect the discussion away from Microsoft, and a better phone experience as well. Win win, if you ask me,

    4. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't buy samsung crap. Seriously, way too much bloatware on samsung stuff. Pity the fool that doesn't learn - the news has been out forever now.

    5. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung downloaded an unwanted update on my phone taking up a large chunk of my data. Mobile data was disabled but it decided to do it anyway, using up my data cap for the month.

    6. Re:Hey Samsung! by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      You can uninstall Facebook app from Windows.

      For now, anyway. If you've been paying attention it is clear that MS is warming up the water so they can be just like Samsung. To enhance your user experience, of course.

    7. Re:Hey Samsung! by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Windows. As a practical matter, it's easier for most people to get a different phone than it is for people to choose a different OS.

    8. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      still true, nonetheless.

    9. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Root it

    10. Re:Hey Samsung! by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Doesn't make it any less of an attempted deflection. And the deflection attempt shows just how egregious this latest behavior from Microsoft is. The only defense of the behavior appears to be an attempt to draw attention away from it.

    11. Re:Hey Samsung! by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

      So who's the greater evil?

      Why does it matter which one is greater? Both are evil and should be stopped.

      We should have moved past this "greater of two evils" false dichotomy bullshit a long time ago. It doesn't matter if we're talking about computers or phones or politicians. Shit is shit and evil is evil -- how about we just avoid all of it and work towards a good alternative?

      Oh, that's right... nobody actually cares about good or evil - just whether it looks like their team is currently winning, or if it isn't, to throw shit at the other team to make them look bad.

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    12. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your phone carrier's version of android cannot be uninstalled. So yeah, it's your carrier.

      Vanilla Android (and things like LineageOS) are wonderful. The real evil is key lockdown, which would be impossible if a GPLv3 license were used.

    13. Re:Hey Samsung! by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      But you know what? You can uninstall Facebook app from Windows. Hell, you can uninstall Windows altogether from your PC and still have a usable PC. But I can't uninstall Facebook from my Samsung Galaxy A5 (2016) and I sure as hell can't uninstall Android from it.

      So who's the greater evil?

      Criminal A: Today I robbed two banks and stole purses from 5 old ladies.

      Criminal B: Today I robbed three 7-11's, deflated tires of 20 vehicles in a Walmart parking lot and jacked three Teslas.

      So who's the greater evil?

      As a factual matter you do have a choice. You could install Lineage OS on your A5 and be completely free of both Facebook and Google malware.

    14. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can disable facebook app on Android.

    15. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're using non-Nexus Android, you've agreed to let the handset manufacturer do whatever they want to you, whenever they want. Including getting OS updates on whatever timeline they feel like (often that timeline = never). Suck it up, buttercup. You chose poorly.

    16. Re:Hey Samsung! by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then what should one use now that Google and manufacturers have discontinued Nexus?

    17. Re: Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just need to root your phone then get a package manager ....

    18. Re:Hey Samsung! by iampiti · · Score: 1

      A great evil doesn't make good a lesser one. Android is bad yes, but Windows used to be much better (think 7)

    19. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone

    20. Re:Hey Samsung! by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Sorry but I didn't want to deflect. I just wanted to make everyone aware that this type of issue is not Microsoft-specific and we should all take that into consideration as well.
      Maybe it's not fair to say "Fuck you Microsoft" all while they're doing what they know best: imitate what others invented, be it good or bad.

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    21. Re:Hey Samsung! by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Hack Windows.

      But neither is a good solution, now, is it?

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    22. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it preinstalled on the phone or stealth install without your consent?

    23. Re:Hey Samsung! by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Neither.
      Some time ago, a "Security Update" from Samsung came on, and it had Facebook embedded into the patch. I could not opt out, all I could do was not install the patch, leaving my phone vulnerable. One patch line reads as "Facebook app has been installed".
      What really pisses me off is that every patch, the Facebook app is re-enabled although I had disabled it. On top of that, Facebook auto-updates itself independently from Google Play, and re-enables itself in the process. Since last year, I am in a continuous struggle with my phone.

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    24. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criminal B.

      Criminal A's crimes all seem to be motivated by personal gain, but criminal B deflating tires of 20 vehicles appears to be pure malice.

    25. Re:Hey Samsung! by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you're using iPhone, you've agreed to let the handset manufacturer (in this case Apple) do whatever they want to you, whenever they want. Including getting OS updates on whatever timeline they feel like (longer than most Android but still not indefinite). Suck it up, buttercup. You chose poorly.

    26. Re:Hey Samsung! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop installing Facebook on my phone without me agreeing with that.

      But you know what? You can uninstall Facebook app from Windows. Hell, you can uninstall Windows altogether from your PC and still have a usable PC. But I can't uninstall Facebook from my Samsung Galaxy A5 (2016) and I sure as hell can't uninstall Android from it.

      So who's the greater evil?

      You're just helping to make the point.

      The point being, Windows is getting to be just as bad.

    27. Re:Hey Samsung! by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      You can't install a third party ROM on your phone?
      The crapware is added by Samsung, it's not a part of stock Android... You can install a clean version of Android, and potentially you could install another linux-based os quite easily.
      Crapware added by OEMs has been a windows problem for many years too, crapware added by microsoft is whats getting worse.

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  8. What to do? by butzwonker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I haven't noticed this behavior yet and don't use any apps on my new machine. (Since it's new, it comes with Win 10. Of course, I'm using Linux for work.)

    Do the apps run in the background if I never open them and use Classic menu? Do they show notifications if I turn notifications off?

    1. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      its a fake story, it doesn't fucking auto install anything

    2. Re:What to do? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They don't - the guy who wrote this article has no idea what he's talking about.

      I suspect what happened is they installed facebook via the windows store on another PC and the default behavior is to sync/install apps (kinda like Android/iOS). And since store apps use oAuth 2 which Windows 10 supports - it can chain the authentication.

    3. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't noticed this behavior yet and don't use any apps on my new machine. (Since it's new, it comes with Win 10. Of course, I'm using Linux for work.)

      Do the apps run in the background if I never open them and use Classic menu? Do they show notifications if I turn notifications off?

      This shouldn't even be on Slashdot. It's completely and utterly made up. Windows 10 does not automatically install Facebook. OP is an idiot.

    4. Re:What to do? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      They don't - the guy who wrote this article has no idea what he's talking about.

      Yes they do the same way candy crush was being installed via the "suggested apps" auto install malware of the windows store.

    5. Re:What to do? by DarkRookie · · Score: 0

      It does install it. Also Twitter.

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    6. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      being "installed via suggested apps"? What? You mean it says "you might like this app", so you click it and then choose to install it? Windows does not auto-install third party apps. I won't say the same for first party, as they include plenty of junk in the default install, but I've never seen a single third party app get auto installed.

      Also, this is not defending suggested apps, it's irritating and should go away, but that's not installing things automatically, that's an ad.

    7. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point...I've also never seen such activity, even though I dislike Microsoft.

      I did have to chuckle at the guy who bought the cheap Android phone and complained he couldn't remove Android. Is this what /. has become?

    8. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its a fake story, it doesn't fucking auto install anything

      you're dense. if this doesn't happen, then explain why Candy Crush Saga, Skype, and Minecraft: Windows Edition keep appearing on the Start menu.

    9. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, this is not defending suggested apps

      Hear hear! It's a little annoying that we actually need to spell out in no uncertain terms "what they are doing is deplorable enough, you don't need to invent things to be mad at them for".

    10. Re:What to do? by Whorhay · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suppose that could be happening. However just last night I setup a brand spanking new computer for my kids to use. I installed Firefox, Minecraft, and Steam. I was switching between the children's profiles to set things up when I noticed that the start menu was now showing some new games that weren't there previously. Games that I've never heard of let alone purchased through either Steam or the Windows Store. I also didn't configure the Windows 10 install using any external accounts like email or Microsoft. From my perspective it appears entirely as if Windows just decided that I'd like some games and installed them on its own.

    11. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they automatically install some software from the windows store in case you haven't disabled the "consumer experience" options in the privacy settings. It doesn't matter if you use built-in the classic menu, or classic shell, or any menu replacement for that matter.

      Even if you disable these, updating windows can reset some of the settings so beware. (Did with the anniversary update, probably can do with the creators update, not sure, since i'm not using PRO versions of windows 10 anymore, thanks to my employer giving me a notebook with 10 enterprise installed on it, and with all bloatware removed from it. It pays to have a in-house IT expert that does his work well).

    12. Re:What to do? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There is documented behavior of Windows 10 installing apps. But you don't need some stupid registry hack to stop it. Just Settings > Personalisation > Start > "Occasionally show suggestions in start"

      Untick that one and you're golden. It also stops Edge from announcing it's superiority over Chrome, and Onedrive from insisting you absolutely just have to have Onedrive.

    13. Re:What to do? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Just turn off Settings > Personalisation > Start > "Occasionally show suggestions in start"

    14. Re:What to do? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      The first thing you need to do in any windows 10 installation is turn off Settings > Personalisation > Start > "Occasionally show suggestions in start".

      That controls the installation of suggested apps.

    15. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't - the guy who wrote this article has no idea what he's talking about.

      Yes they do the same way candy crush was being installed via the "suggested apps" auto install malware of the windows store.

      Weird. I've used Windows 10 since it was in beta and have never had Candy Crush installed. Windows 10 does a lot of annoying things but mostly people just don't understand what's actually happening.

    16. Re:What to do? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I've never seen it happen either, to my machine or anyone else's. Must be a slow news day, so this guy with a chip on his shoulder decided to write a fantasy story. Or he misconfigured something bigtime, but my money's on the first option.

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    17. Re:What to do? by Myrdos · · Score: 1

      Did you like them?

      If no, you should opt in to more tracking so they can tell what kind of games you like.

    18. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is gunning for the advertising space that's currently dominated by Google. To beat them they'll have to become them - and if they succeed then I'll definitely never install Windows on any machine ever again. I only use Apple products now except for that one Windows burner machine that I play games on. That machine only ever gets used for games and nothing else.

    19. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I get this and have never installed a facebook app anywhere. I actually do not think it is an app but the browser somehow is allowed to do the windows pop up. annoyingly even when I am playing an mmo and in the middle of a fight

    20. Re:What to do? by piojo · · Score: 1

      My Windows 10 computer didn't spontaneously sprout Candy Crush Saga or Minecraft, but it definitely grew an extremely buggy copy of Skype which took an hour to uninstall. It can't be uninstalled via the control panel or Windows Store. I don't remember how I did it. Frustratingly, the normal Skype won't install--only the Windows 10 Store edition can be installed on the computer, and it's so unreliable that my company just ditched it for a competitor.

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    21. Re:What to do? by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      What about the other allegations that Windows 10 automatically uninstalls certain applications? I have seen this mentioned in other articles.

    22. Re:What to do? by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Since when does "show suggestions" equate to "automatically install?"

      I'm familiar with the Candy Crush incident. It's worth noting that Window10 doesn't just show it in the Start menu, it actually does install the whole game, and you have to change registry settings to keep the game from being automatically re-installed if you delete it. At least, that was the case a year ago. Maybe Microsoft eventually backtracked since then. They do seem to change their minds whenever the hell they want.

    23. Re:What to do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not correct. Windows does auto-install apps. As other users mentioned turning off suggested apps helps, but even with that turned on, windows will still download and "provision" an app for use by the user as part of windows updates and/or during the OOBE.

    24. Re:What to do? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I didn't say the naming of the setting makes sense. Whatever it is called, disabling this setting prevents the game from being installed in the first place.

  9. I don't have them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have the Pro version of Windows 10 and I haven't seen any apps appearing anywhere as of yet. I would notice if facebook suddenly showed up as I have never used it and never want to use it.

    1. Re:I don't have them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The poster is either an idiot or a troll. Probably a troll who knows Slashdolts will accept any story of Microsoft misbehaving without evidence.

      IF anything even vaguely resembling his claims has happened, it quite certainly has a user-based cause. This can be as simple as using one login account on multiple computers, at least one of them shared with family. In that case, any Metro applications installed will attempt to synchronize across all instances of using that login credential. So what one person thinks is going to be a local install instead becomes an account-wide install and after seeing this irrational rage, the person never will admit to their actions.

  10. Microsoft Owned Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    When you install Windows on a computer, it becomes a Microsoft managed computer.

    You simply pay for the bandwidth, pay for the hardware, pay for the software, and Microsoft controls 100% of their computer that you simply lease, and use whatever Microsoft gives you permissions to use.

    There is a reason Microsoft went from "My Computer" to "Computer", and it wasn't about people getting confused.

    Thats why "your" files are in the Microsoft owned cloud, on a Microsoft owned hardware. You are just using a dumb terminal, and granted permission by Microsoft to use it.

  11. Updated consumer protection laws needed by toejam13 · · Score: 2

    The main issue here is that there are few repercussions for Microsoft doing this. With no suitable alternative in the marketplace for running Windows binaries (WINE is very hit or miss, OS/2 eComStation hasn't seen improvements in years), you're stuck eating whatever Microsoft wants to feed you.

    We really need to update our consumer protection laws so that we can opt-out of shovelware. Even better, require us to opt-in. I've lost track of how many hours I've spent over the years removing sketchy apps from laptops and smartphones. Not to mention the extraordinary efforts I've sometimes been forced to take to do so.

    1. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      We really need to update our consumer protection laws so that we can opt-out of shovelware.

      In the past, the only way I've found to do this is have a system builder make my machine, and insist on a full retail version of the OS which has no additional stuff on it.

      OEM installs usually are full of that additional shit, and I don't want it. I don't want the manufacturer's wizards, helpers, games, or anything else .. I just want the OS.

      The problem is now, the OS is full of its own kind of crapware, and you can't opt out of it.

      I'm glad I blocked updates to Windows 10 and stayed with my Windows 8.1 which has been tweaked to work and look like an older version of the desktop.

      But I think this will be my last primary Windows OS, and I will switch to a Linux machine in which the MS shit is just in a VM ... I'm stuck using Windows for some stuff, but I refuse to accept a machine which tells me it's going to install updates and reboot instead of letting me control that.

      MS can suck my dick, I'm not willing to cede control over my machine, and might even look at a MacOS laptop.

    2. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have the greatest consumer protections. Just ask the CFPB! Everybody knows I have nothing but respect for consumers. And their protection is going to be just amazing, believe me.

    3. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why run windows binaries? Every major program is available for Mac.

    4. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is your own doing. You refuse to switch applications. Nobody says you have to switch your critical apps over- but your failure to switch apps and operating systems where feasible and non-critical has been a detriment to alternative operating systems like GNU/Linux not so much in how well it works but how well it is supported and how easily companies like ThinkPenguin can get upstream firms to release code to critical chipsets. And without that your user experience on GNU/Linux suffers through no fault of GNU/Linux. The same can be applied to proprietary apps. If you don't switch to free alternatives and donate to the projects you shouldn't expect anything other than these monopolies to dominate and take malicious actions against use.

      I don't accept that there are no options. I don't accept that we need a law to do what a free market can do if people make smarter decisions. Sometimes less is more. The value of a particular feature frequently is negligible relative to the control of my PC and the freedom that the release of code under a free software license gives me.

    5. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "might even look at a MacOS laptop."

      Nah, Apple's turned them to crap with this latest iteration. I've been using Macs since about 1998, Always loved them, but this latest MacBook Pro is a piece of crap.
      USB-C sounds great on paper, but doesn't work in the real world. You can't use it on your lap without constantly holding the connector in place. Engagement is less than 1/16th of an inch. Wiggle your leg imperceptibly, and it comes unplugged.
      No hardware Escape key. Need the Escape key? Hit the Touch Bar to wake it up, THEN you can hit the Escape key. No way to force it to stay on.
      Oh, and you'd better buy it with everything you think you'll need, because there are no upgrades after purchase. And if any component dies ... the whole motherboard has to be replaced, meaning ANY repair will be a minimum of $792.00. Bad RAM? $800 please! SSD gone south? $800 please!
      I think they finally turned me away, unless they go back to at least upgradeable SSDs.

    6. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You CAN opt out of shovelware. Just because TFA has no idea about the setting "Occasionally show suggestions in start" doesn't mean it isn't there. No need for registry or group policy or any of the other garbage the clueless author is on about.

    7. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      It is Microsoft's belief that they can do things like this that made me vow to never buy Windows. Don't get me wrong, I do use if for my gaming pc. I actually have it on one of those laptop/tablet things too. But I will always get a cracked copy rather than buy it from them. I guess technically the laptop thing did pay for it since it came on there, but my gaming pc's are purpose built and I would rather spend time finding an illegal copy and risk the malware than feel the guilt of giving them my money. We each must do what we feel make the world a better place and giving money to the devil is not one of those things.

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    8. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      And, of course, we're expected to know every single misleadingly named Windows setting, no matter where it's buried, or we're clueless.

      This is Slashdot!

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    9. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And, of course, we're expected to know every single misleadingly named Windows setting, no matter where it's buried, or we're clueless.

      This is Slashdot!

      Seriously? This has been covered many times before. It has been plastered all over the internet. It is basically setting number 1 to change on any Windows 10 machine. Crawl out from the cave.

    10. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Since I haven't been in a cave since something like 2010, I'm going to suggest that it's possible to hang around on the Net and not see something you claim is plastered all over the Internet. It may have been covered many times before, but there's a practically endless list of things that have. The Net is a big place.

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    11. Re:Updated consumer protection laws needed by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Clearly you don't read Slashdot either.

  12. the idea of your computer is over by jason777 · · Score: 1

    What a crapshow this OS has become. I'm running enterprise and blocked windows update, but it still sucks. I loved win7, but if you want to play the latest games, and run the latest CPUs youre screwed.

    1. Re:the idea of your computer is over by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      I loved win7, but if you want to play the latest games, and run the latest CPUs youre screwed.

      I got rid of Windows in 1999 and went 100% Linux. I missed being able to play the latest games, but then I found more interesting hobbies, and stopped missing games. A few years later, I bought a PS2, and then a Wii, then a few PS3's. I missed the keyboard/mouse combination at first, but proficiency with the controller came soon enough. I had all the games I could reasonably play. Problem solved.

      I have never worried about CPU support under Linux. I buy it, and Linux runs it. Installing Windows from scratch, on the other hand, has sometimes been a nightmare of finding the right drivers for the various parts of the CPU+motherboard.

    2. Re:the idea of your computer is over by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

      Widows Server 2000 was the best OS MS every made. Pretty much down hill from there.

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    3. Re:the idea of your computer is over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny because I have found the exact opposite.
      Having dipped my toe into linux on many occasions in the last 20 years but never having made the complete transfer across.
      Take for example my latest experience with two different motherboards and some DVB cards.
      They just work under windows. Be that Win7 or win10.
      Under ubuntu, the card wasn't recognized in one motherboard correctly due to some sort of IRQ conflict which was unresolvable.
      And in the second motherboard it took god knows how long faffing around with drivers in the kernel because someone broke support and it was never back tested.
      The problem of having a few 100 cards supported in the same driver file.

      But under windows, they work first time out the box, get drivers automagically over the pipes and just work.
      Honestly I was stunned and shocked.
      I actually expected the suck to be under windows not linux.
      I'm a zealot for neither.

    4. Re:the idea of your computer is over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You screwed yourself by disabling updates. Why bother upgrading to windows 10 if you're not going to keep it up to date? What an asinine train of thought.

    5. Re:the idea of your computer is over by jason777 · · Score: 1

      I hear ya, and believe me, I love and use Linux. But I'm a gamer first and foremost, and so what are my options?

    6. Re:the idea of your computer is over by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Consoles. If you don't have to absolutely play the very latest games, second-hand consoles and huge stacks of games can be had for barely any money.

      I'm currently working my way through the absolutely ma-hoo-ssive PS2 library, and I'll get started on some of the Xbox360 games I missed out on the first time around (I basically stuck with Assassin's Creed, GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption).

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  13. Found the LUDDITE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only apps can app apps, and Appsoft apping apps while apping other apps just makes Appdows 10 even appier! Only LUDDITES hate apps, because they're too stupid to know how to app apps while apping other apps!

    Apps!

    1. Re:Found the LUDDITE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This pasta is old and moldy.

  14. How do you mean? by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do you mean? "Your Computer"?!? You misunderstand, if you run Windows 10 it isn't your computer. It's a machine you may be allowed to use, perhaps, and only the way Microsoft likes it.

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  15. [Imaginary conversation] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Minion: "Apple does this thing where they control every aspect about how people can use their stuff."
    Microsoft: "We should totally do that!"
    Minion: "But Apple controls a minority of the market..."
    Microsoft: "Irrelevant! We no longer want people to own the things we sell them. We will control all aspects and collect whatever data we want from them. Apple does it, therefore it's cool."

    And this is why I don't use Apple products...

  16. Microsoft distancing itself from being a usable an by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft appears to be increasingly distancing itself from being a usable and trustworthy user content generation platform

    I see this often on facebook when my animator friends lament about an overnight render that was a victim of an auto-reboot

    I see this on my new Windows computers that run hot for hours when doing an OS update (are they mining cryptocoin on /my/ hardware?)

    I cringe at the insecure risks they are forcing on me when they auto-install third party code -- I no longer log into anything on Windows computers

  17. And this comes as a surpise HOW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a huge portion of Windows 7 users they got this fucking FORCED UPDATE called Windows 10 stealthily downloaded and installed on their PAID FOR machines without consent disregarding whatever settings one explicitly set to prevent this shit. That should have been your first clue! Now live in the bed you've chosen to sleep in...Fuck you for whining and fuck Windows 10 and Microsoft.

    1. Re:And this comes as a surpise HOW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your medicine, Ballmer.

    2. Re:And this comes as a surpise HOW? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "disregarding whatever settings one explicitly set"

      Bullshit.
      I have a Windows 7 computer with Windows Update disabled, and it didn't even ask me about Windows 10.

      I haven't trusted Windows Update in 18 years, and I don't understand why anyone would.

    3. Re:And this comes as a surpise HOW? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Indeed. When Microsoft downloaded 6.5 gigabytes of Windows 10 without even asking me first, that was when I said "no". When they re-enabled the GWX "update" (it was a "new version", so it ignored my previous "don't install this update"), I said "hell no." I now run Win7 (for games only) with updates turned the hell off. So far it seems I have made the right decision.

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  18. I don't understand the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you complaining that a company that you choose to do business with is abusing you or are you complaining that you want more abuse? It's you, it's your choice to continue the abuse or not. Don't whinge to me about it.

  19. None of this Happens to Me by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I agree that auto installing or uninstalling apps is completely unacceptable. However, I've been using Windows 10 for about a year now and this has never happened to me once. Is there some hidden "stop being an arsehole" option which needs to be set?

    1. Re:None of this Happens to Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might depend on the version (Home vs Pro vs Enterprise).

    2. Re: None of this Happens to Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but itâ(TM)s not as simple as that. It requires unchecking half a million opt out boxes and repeating the process after every major update. Blocking access at the router is also recommended.

    3. Re:None of this Happens to Me by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

      We are only seeing this in business environments with Pro or Enterprise installed. So its not across the board. Still not very "Convenient" to have to spend 45 minutes reinstalling QB to 3 workstations. Extended the call and cost the customer more money. All because Microsoft decided their update was more important than the users self-installed programs.

    4. Re:None of this Happens to Me by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Same here. I haven't had any problems like this. In fact the only uninstall I had was when I updated from Win7 to Win10.

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    5. Re:None of this Happens to Me by Jonathan+C.+Patschke · · Score: 1

      Steve may have been simplifying for brevity's sake, but that is exactly what the experience feels like when the update happens overnight while no one is there to stare at the PC.

      When Windows 10 does an upgrade to a later version, it effectively does a clean OS install and re-installs applications. This is what's going on behind that creepy "These updates are for your protection / Your computer will be just fine / All your data is exactly where you left it" screen. If it hits a known conflict (Microsoft keeps a database of these), an application won't be reinstalled. It wasn't the intent, but it sure looks like Microsoft decided to uninstall another company's product just to be a dick and show you who really owns your PC.

      You can tell when you got one of those big updates because all the stupid in-built advertising gets reactivated and Candy Crush Saga III: Wrath of the Tyrannical Twizzlers or WTFever shows up prominently on the Start menu.

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    6. Re:None of this Happens to Me by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

      Wow, I would think business environments would be the last place to tolerate this , for security reasons at least. Of coarse USA business have a stronger dependency on M$ produces so maybe they figure they can get away with it. I think a network best practice is point Microsoft update server at your corporate update server so maybe they are targeting home users using pro.

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    7. Re:None of this Happens to Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me has happened twice, first was at random and the other was when one update installed and rebooted the machine without consent or warning.

      Granted, this is declared in the EULA and once you accept the installation, you accept this "feature".

    8. Re:None of this Happens to Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work as a Systems Admin and I have had it do things like this to me alot. There is no "Windows, Stop being an asshole" option. I wish there was. It's especially frustrating and annoying when the thing it uninstalls is something like your antivirus. I've also had it break my Biometric Login software with every update that was forced onto my laptop for over a year. I had to reinstall my fingerprint reader and software and then reprogram the software and let it learn my fingerprints again every week when updates came out. I eventually just left the software uninstalled and didn't use a security feature of my device that worked great when I bought it and paid extra for, but Microsoft wouldn't allow me to continue using.

    9. Re:None of this Happens to Me by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      You know, when it comes to liability for harm caused, neither incompetence nor negligence are much of an excuse.

      BTW, unless you were involved in the design and decision process at Microsoft, you're just making assumptions about what their intent was. "Incompetence and negligence" are no more likely than "We'll fuck over these third-party software companies but pretend to be incompetent and negligent for plausible deniability".

  20. He "geek"! Stop installing Windows by mi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    (howtogeek.com)

    What sort of "geek" is it, that installs Windows in the first place?

    And, after they do, "blogs" about it?

    And what sort of a "news for nerds" web-site publicizes such nonsense?

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    1. Re:He "geek"! Stop installing Windows by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      Geeks that have experience with lots of different things and learn how to use them instead of those that only know how to use a hammer because they once used a screwdriver and got hurt.

      I've used Windows since Windows first came out. Used Apple a few times, decided I like choices and only use it if I have to and felt only a moron would make an OS that used the trash bin to eject a floppy disk. I've loaded Unix on PCs that used 286 chipsets to run Informix 1.0. I've loaded Linux using floppy disks. I installed Unix on computers that required their own personal cooling systems and had petabyte databases. Hell, I bought a TRS-80 and hacked the backgammon game because it wasn't good enough. The first program I ever wrote was for extra credit in calculus, the second was to hack passwords because it wouldn't run fast enough. Today, I write dynamic web pages that connect to large backend databases and can build any of the tier servers, install the databases, write all the code, and even configure the F5s. I've worked as a computer operator, programmer, sysadmin, DBA, webmaster, configured phone systems, and even a few years as a manager before I realized I'm too good at tech to waste my time being a manager. I'm an expert in nothing but can use Google to do just about anything related to IT. Hell .. I've written in programming languages that were so old and obscure there wasn't a manual for them anymore. And there was no Google at the time to look up the answers.

      I didn't even go to college to learn any of this, I discovered I could buy the textbooks and teach myself a lot faster. Then I discovered Border's books and O'Reilly. Now we have the Internet.

      Don't tell me I shouldn't use Windows simply because you haven't figured it out yet.

      BTW -- the OP is an idiot. My Windows computer doesn't do any of that, I don't know what the hell he did but it was probably all his fault.

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    2. Re:He "geek"! Stop installing Windows by mi · · Score: 1

      only know how to use a hammer because they once used a screwdriver and got hurt

      The difference between Microsoft's offerings and just about any other OS out there is not at all like that between different tools.

      It is more like that between different toolkits. Microsoft offers toolkits with tools for a variety of tasks. And all of these tools are inferior to the alternatives or outright horrible. To use your analogy, MS Hammer falls off MS Handle (be grateful, when it misses your foot). MS Screwdriver breaks apart — but not before destroying the slot of the MS Screw, and so on. Yes, I'm willing to believe, there are exceptions — but I am not willing to search for them, and endanger myself in the process.

      I've used Windows since [...]

      Sorry, not interested in your attempts to justify your own poor choices. You know, it was a mistake — you just can't admit it (even to yourself), and that's what causes you to rant and lash out at those, who've avoided it.

      Don't tell me I shouldn't use Windows

      No one should voluntarily use it, and you are in no position to prohibit me to tell you this. But, of course, this is a free country, and you have the right to hurt yourself — despite the multitude of strangers like myself trying to keep you from doing it.

      BTW -- the OP is an idiot. My Windows computer doesn't do any of that

      Well, seems like you agree with me, that the OP is not, in fact, a "geek". Let's leave it at that.

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    3. Re:He "geek"! Stop installing Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you're being deliberately ignorant, but a whole lot of business software only runs in Windows, so Windows is required in the real world. Yet Microsoft includes Candy Crush Soda Saga with Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise Edition. Microsoft has no idea how to behave ethically.

    4. Re:He "geek"! Stop installing Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone who wants to actually do stuff that others can use outside of the linux circle?

    5. Re:He "geek"! Stop installing Windows by lgw · · Score: 1

      Wow, if you put as much effort into learning Windows as you do into excuse making for why you don't need to, you'd be good at it by now.

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    6. Re:He "geek"! Stop installing Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What sort of "geek" is it, that installs Windows in the first place?

      One that has a job.

  21. Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

    -Satya

    1. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS - You're getting auto-upgraded forever.

    2. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It does seem incongruous that MS has tried everything possible to get people to move from Windows 7 down to Windows 10, but then they do things like this which degrade the customer experience.

    3. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. When the observable behaviour of your legitimate software is becoming indistinguishable from the observable behaviour of malware, at some point you have to look in the mirror and say maybe you're the problem.

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    4. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Malware exploits for profit. Windows 10 exploits for profit and charges for the privilege. Malware writers, take note.

      maybe you're the problem.

      No, you're the product.

    5. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by JMJimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This type of thing is exactly why Microsoft did everything possible to get people to move to Win10. They intended to monetize it in other ways that would give them a steadier/larger stream of income going forward.

      As operating systems get more stable there are fewer reasons for the consumer to upgrade while Microsoft still has the task of keeping up security updates, etc. Eventually this would lead to declining revenues and the inability to support future development, not to mention allow Linux to make inroads. By restructuring to a walled garden where they're in control of your system they can monetize the hell out of you, EULA away your privacy rights, and be laughing well into the future.

      If Linux development can ever get it's head out of it's ass and focus on how to make it easier for users to recover from problems without resetting everything they'd probably have a shot at taking away a big chunk of users who don't want to deal with MS' new direction.

    6. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most all those users have all been taken away already, by Apple.

      Sure, theirs is also a walled garden, but at least the experience is user-friendly and not user-hostile.

    7. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Most all those users have all been taken away already, by Apple.

      Sure, theirs is also a walled garden, but at least the experience is user-friendly and not user-hostile.

      Microsoft is not aiming for the Apple market. Apple charges a premium and it's customers are the people who buy their products. Apple still does some lock in by making Apple products work best with other Apple products but the purchasers of its hardware are still its primary customer. Microsoft is aiming for a completely different market. Microsoft is trying to change to the android/facebook/google business model where it gives its product away for free. The end user is no longer their customer. Their customer is the advertisers, the developers, and the purchasers of things like Office 360. They have decided that there is not enough profit margin on the OS to bother charging for it and it's better to get the money from businesses than cash strapped consumers.

    8. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. Not only is the behavior of Microsoftware just as unacceptable as the more typical malware, but it also teaches ordinary users to just click through and accept malware because it acts just like Microsoftware does. Microsoft is training users that malware behavior is normal.

    9. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is not aiming for the Apple market. Apple charges a premium and it's customers are the people who buy their products. Apple still does some lock in by making Apple products work best with other Apple products but the purchasers of its hardware are still its primary customer.

      Apple's products are pricey, but in many cases no pricier than equivalent alternatives. Just because a Lexus RC-F is expensive doesn't mean it's priced at a premium compared to a Honda. If all you're looking to do is fulfill a set of requirements met by the Honda, then the Lexus isn't targeted at you and would seem to be priced at a premium.

      Microsoft is aiming for a completely different market. Microsoft is trying to change to the android/facebook/google business model where it gives its product away for free. The end user is no longer their customer. Their customer is the advertisers, the developers, and the purchasers of things like Office 360. They have decided that there is not enough profit margin on the OS to bother charging for it and it's better to get the money from businesses than cash strapped consumers.

      Microsoft is reeling from losing its monopoly grip on the whole computer experience. They lost the server market to linux, they lost the phone market to Apple and Google, they lost the web market to Firefox (and then nails in the coffin with the mobile market needing to be served) and they lost the ability of Office to leverage lockin because of the mobile market being bigger and more useful to customers than the desktop market and their business clients basically laid down the gauntlet - work with my mobile device or else. Tie all that together, and MS is looking for a way to continue its current revenue sources even if it has to lower prices rather than lose everything to Apple/Linux/Google, which they were well on their way to doing.

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    10. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      When the person having the problem only has two tools in their toolbox: reboot and reinstall.

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    11. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by schure · · Score: 1

      Which btw are also very much resorted to by Windows users...

    12. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still feel their advertising model is too bounded by the US economic structure and actors. They could do some market research in other places as well and see how they could benefit from and participate in b2b and b2c marketing locally. Their currently completely irrelevant ads for services and products only deter users who just want to make their living and cause annoyance to those who just want to have some fun.

    13. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Linux does make it remarkably easy to get into trouble that a lot more effort is needed to get out of.
      1. A general example is GUI utilities which make modifications that cannot be undone with those same utilities. As in, distro-default config files have certain settings necessary to work with the distro, that are removed or overwritten silently by a distro-agnostic GUI utility.
      2. A specific example is a mistaken chmod command. Everyone hopefully is careful with rm -rf * in the root directory, but less so about chmod. Someone who "innocently" chmod -777 -R's the / directory will have a fantastic number of broken commands as this wipes out the setuid bits of key system commands (including important ones like sudo, su, and the like... and I don't think logging in even worked except for root from the console). Yes someone has done this at my workplace, I had to restore to the previous night's backup. Fortunately the only person who's work was lost was the dumbass who did it.

    14. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You did not HAVE to restore from a backup. You could applied the chmod map from known good set, which is easily extracted from a base image.
      Get in the habit of scripting a find / > filelist.txt manifest. A fee lines executed O(N) times on that gives you a great diagnostic /trivial tripwire/repair for all sorts of situations.

      Kudos on having a backup though.

    15. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by mea2214 · · Score: 1

      If Linux development can ever get it's head out of it's ass and focus on how to make it easier for users to recover from problems without resetting everything they'd probably have a shot at taking away a big chunk of users who don't want to deal with MS' new direction.

      I have been lurking in a Windows 10 support group and ironically the most common solution to recover from an update that goes sideways is to completely reinstall the OS. That's on top of their feature updates every 6 months that practically make you reinstall. At least in Linux the problem usually can be isolated and remedied without even a reboot. With systemd however they are making inroads to be more like Microsoft.

    16. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by fox171171 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apple's products are pricey, but in many cases no pricier than equivalent alternatives. Just because a Lexus RC-F is expensive doesn't mean it's priced at a premium compared to a Honda. If all you're looking to do is fulfill a set of requirements met by the Honda, then the Lexus isn't targeted at you and would seem to be priced at a premium.

      Except it's actually a Honda with a Lexus logo on it. The gas and brake pedals and other controls have been swapped. The built-in stereo only plays music you subscribe to from the manufacturer. The industry standard butt interface (seat) has been courageously removed. You can buy an adapter or a wireless seat that doesn't attach. Each model year is a little bit thinner, so it's hard to get into it, and the gas tank gets smaller, so it can't go very far.

    17. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by fido_dogstoyevsky · · Score: 1

      ...then they do things like this which degrade the customer experience.

      You're confusing "customer" and "user".

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    18. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by spikeysnack · · Score: 1

      You seem to be arguing for less control of the system by the user. I disagree with most of that argument. Microsoft OS has many tools that can forshwangle a system if used sloppily, including trashing disks and registries, and files and settings. I'll give you NTFS is nice and stable for the most part, even compared to ext4. But the registry, the constant hassle , the constant cleanup operations and never-ending diarreah of security breaches of Windows has no comparison with any other major OS. period. For the USAF to boldly declare they are moving to the most attack-able and most attacked and most unstable proprietary Privately-owned desktop OS a major FUBAR for them. Long ago the Military should have made their own OS instead of relying on vendors to secure the nations military info infrastructure with buggy-ass consumer hacked up spaghetti-lasagna-meatloaf surprise for the blue-screen special.

    19. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to what?

      On major windows system screwup, one has to boot the system in safe mode, log in as an admin, just to be able to change hidden stream permissions.

      So, my grandma excluded, which system is easier to actually get shit done with?

    20. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear peon,

      Next update will remove the ability to install programs without our permission. Windows Store only, bitch.

      Suck it.

      - Ghost of Bill Gates

    21. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It's never been that way, you can almost always repair a linux installation without having to reinstall - and it's much easier to do so than repairing a similarly broken windows installation.

      In both cases obviously you need to understand how the system works, which is also much easier in linux as you can read all the scripts and configs.

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    22. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      And I suppose you buy all your performance parts at the local dealer?

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    23. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Not arguing for less control at all (especially if you read my first point). The difference is it's easier for a novice to royally screw something up. The Windows equivalent of my chmod command can also be done, but it requires clicking through a large number of hurdles before it will allow it to happen, any one of which will help the user realize "shit I thought I was just changing permissions on my documents, not all the system shit, lemme cancel out of this...".

      In Windows (hell even the Server variants) it's a lot harder to click yourself into a hole you can't get out of without simply reversing course. In Linux it is easy to click into a hole that requires command line to get out of. A good example is the simple Nvidia utility that will rewrite your xorg.conf. Sometimes whatever it spits out can result in a system where GUI will not start. Or the GUI starts but the mouse doesn't work right. For a Linux novice this is game over, time to reinstall. Nowadays simply deleting xorg.conf results in somewhat of a safe mode for X, but this temporary remedy isn't nearly as obvious as the basic, plain as day "safe mode" prompt which appears after you frustratingly hard power cycle your PC.

      As for security, the biggest mistake a Linux admin can make is thinking they can't get hacked. I've seen it happen, because Middleware folk never update their part of the stack because the process is more complicated on Linux than their brains can handle. Our Windows servers get hacked *less*, because the userland software on it actually gets updated, because the process is easier and less likely to break a working application. Part of that is the fault of companies like ...BM and ...racle. 0patch sucks on Windows but is a downright nightmare on Linux.

    24. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's more systemd problems. Systemd chose to eat all the logs and refuse to tell the user what's happening during boot. Consequently when there's a boot problem the user is dumped in a root shell with no idea what happened. And no, systemctl or whatever the hell is not a solution to finding out what happened.

      This is compounded by the switch from Gnome, a well-designed, stable, standard UI based on a well-designed, standard, stable toolkit, to Gnome Shell, a weird new UI that does odd things, based on GTK3, a rapidly changing toolkit that somehow can't figure out how to make choices and stick with them 30 years after the first normal GUI toolkits.

      All of this sabotage, of course, came from Red Hat.

    25. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

      But you can use such Hondux to get to anti-child-labour rally!

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    26. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

      You remind me of a conversations I had with a friend several days after installing Linux on her laptop:

      Her: "HoMM III keeps hanging every few hours!"
      Me: "Didn't you have some problems with it on Windows too?"
      Her: "Well, I couldn't start it..."


      Later:

      Her: "Why do I have to search for programs in this manager thing? Can't I just install them normally?"
      Me: "And how did you install them normally?"
      Her: "Well, normally! I search for them on Google, download them, and just, you know, install!"


      Linux will never catch on for the masses, because if users are forced to do stuff like they do it in Windows they find it unacceptable, because it's too much work, and if they have to do it differently they find it unacceptable because they are trained to handle it Windows way. So - Morton's fork.

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    27. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

      You know your OS sucks when your users need to go to support groups.

      "Hello, my name is Steve..."
      "Hello Steve!"
      "I have been using Windows for 10 years... No... I am sorry, I can't make it, maybe later..."
      "It's ok, Steve, thank you for trying. Admitting to yourself that you have a problem is the first step to recovery. We are all very proud of you, please let us all give Steve a warm round of applause!"

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    28. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Most all those users have all been taken away already, by Apple.

      Sure, theirs is also a walled garden, but at least the experience is user-friendly and not user-hostile.

      Apple is selling the experience as much as anything else.

      It's a culture. Or, rather, just a cult.

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    29. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      (Lexus is Toyota and Acura is Honda and Infiniti is Nissan)

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    30. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by flappinbooger · · Score: 2

      Most windows users think Sudo is a precursor for making meth. They've never seen a command line and think the recycle bin is just as good a place to store stuff as "My Documents."

      The typical windows user doesn't know what a "Web Browser" actually is, they just think they get on "The Internet" by using "The Winderz" and think it's normal for their stack of toolbars to extend halfway down the screen.

      The typical mac user doesn't know much more than that either but they feel smarter because they paid more to get on "The Internet."

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    31. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      *raises hand*

      I had to install a few packages on Debian to build a Javascript app with Babel and NodeJS. The build went fine, other than me having to install NodeJS Legacy instead of the regular package for some idiotic reason. A few weeks later, I updated the OS, and the project wouldn't build anymore since there were package version conflicts. I spent more than a day trying to update all the packages required for the build and... eventually everything was so massively broken, with conflicts and errors everywhere that I had no choice but to wipe out the OS, reinstall everything from scratch, install all the packages again and try again. Then everything worked.

      Being only a casual Linux guy who runs the OS in a VM when I need it, I didn't bother spending hours trying to figure out what went wrong. 15 years of trying various distros has always left me running back to Windows because of crap like this (the kind of crap Linux people insist doesn't exist / is no longer an issue).

      BTW, I'd really like to know why the Debian people decided to rename NodeJS to just Node. It took me quite a while to figure out why NodeJS didn't exist after having installed the package. Renaming the main executable for no damn reason will do that!

    32. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Most all those users have all been taken away already, by Apple.

      Sure, theirs is also a walled garden, but at least the experience is user-friendly and not user-hostile.

      Ahh, never used an Apple product then.

      If there is a company that is more user-hostile than Microsoft, it's Apple. With Windows you can get shit done, it may not be pretty, but it gets done. With Apple you cant, especially if it violates Apple's idea of a perfect user. With Apple products, you're fighting Apple to get stuff done when Apple has not expressly permitted you to do it and they dont permit you to do much.

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    33. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is the original Evil. The Prime Evil. The ones who truest defined Evil.

      Apple is like the high school bully.

      And Google is like a stalker that invade your privacy.

      Linux is like the arrogant genius.

      I think the arrogant genius is the safest bet at the moment

    34. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Ahh, never used an Apple product then.

      If there is a company that is more user-hostile than Microsoft, it's Apple. With Windows you can get shit done, it may not be pretty, but it gets done. With Apple you cant, especially if it violates Apple's idea of a perfect user. With Apple products, you're fighting Apple to get stuff done when Apple has not expressly permitted you to do it and they dont permit you to do much.

      This comes as news to me, having used Apple exclusively at home in our household for more than 5 years. We have no trouble getting anything done that we've ever tried to get done.

    35. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe it is time for a class action lawsuit with antitrust.

    36. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >make it easier for users to recover from problems without resetting everything

      Check out GNU GuixSD. It has whole system AND user profile generations which means if something breaks you just choose the previous generation of the system which did work (this includes all packages and services, not just the kernel). For the system, select the older generation in the Grub bootloader's bootmenu.

    37. Re:Hey, Chris Hoffman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, the typical windows user thinks Sudo is either the math version of a crossword puzzle or a new Japanese restaurant.

    38. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Just let her google the program, download it and install it. It's pretty common for many Linux apps to have a downloadable installer. She might even come across installation instructions and read them. Why are you sabatoging your friend? You could have explained why an app manager is better, because, you're supposed to fucking show her some shit, not throw her in the deep end and fuck off.

    39. Re: Hey, Chris Hoffman by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "let her"? There was no way I could have stopped her from doing that if she wanted to. Except she assumes, that if you need to read an instruction it's impossible and she doesn't even try.

      And yes I did explain manger to her exactly as you suggest. Her only argument against it is that it's not "normal".

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  22. What's this idiot talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you all so computer illiterate?

    Hey ubuntu stop installing apps without my consent!

  23. Friends don't let friends keep malware installed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uninstall Windows please.

    I don't know what arguments you could come up with that would still justify what, if it was a human relationship, would clearly be abuse.
    But abuse victims are known to try to justify why they don't leave, even under brutal conditions.

    And I do not take any sides here. As a replacement, use whatever gets the job done and does not contain je potential for also becoming abusive in the future.
    (Sadly, IMHO, all big DEs of all big OSes have presented such behavior though.)

  24. Well by burtosis · · Score: 1

    On the bright side, its still not illegal to uninstall them... For now...

  25. hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure Windows7 will be my last. Of course, I said that about XP.

    1. Re:hey by Megane · · Score: 1

      I tried that with Windows 2000; it didn't work so well when Microsoft took 2000 support out of VS. But now the alternatives (8, 8.1, 10) don't look so good. I'm sticking with 7 as long as I can, even if it means I have to look for used computers with a W7Pro license sticker.

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  26. Its not YOUR computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plebean. Stop buying your own way into slavery.

  27. not yours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    its not your computer it belongs to Microsoft, if lack of privacy and personal choice bothers you try a free OS...

  28. Sadly, both Gnome and KDE ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... have presented signs of similar behavior lately.

    And Mozilla and Google have fully adopted it too.

    The only ones who don't behave like that, are those who are so obsessed with minimalism, that there simply isn't anything left to be like that. Which clearly is no better.

    Sometimes I think there must be some kind of cult meeting where the oligarchy decides shit like this.
    Then again, humans don't need to organize, or even be aware of it, for such insanity to emerge.

  29. You don't realize by no-body · · Score: 1

    that you are owned by corporations, that's a fact and it's great that you complain about it but it is also useless.

    Corporate goons are programmed to implement this kind of shit and the one's having to deal with complaints fear for their jobs if they miss-behave and criticize what is corporate culture if they are even aware of it.

    Often they work out of sweatshop calling centers in far away countries and are not familiar with laws and regulations in "here" countries and need the income to get by.

    What would be a fix? Change the school systems to foster critical thinking, but that would cut into the fingers the ruling force.... pretty hopeless that the current trend of increasing abuse would change.

  30. Something similar angered me a month or so ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Windows 10 computer suddenly had all this hard disk activity going on. Didn't seem like it was an scheduled defrag or virus scan. No windows updates were running. What I found out is that it was the Microsoft Store app that was updating itself.

    I don't get why there are two separate update mechanisms.

  31. That's called a *Mac*, no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wondered why Apple acted like their Macs would not be personal computers.

    Now I know.

    And so are Windows systems. (And everyone else seems to get there too.)

  32. Reinstall Windows by halivar · · Score: 1

    And this time, don't check the "Enable Windows Customer Experience" box without knowing what it does. In fact, don't check any box you don't understand.

    1. Re:Reinstall Windows by sgage · · Score: 1

      You know, at this point I'm not really sure it matters whether you check the box or not. They are just going to do their thing - that little check box isn't connected to anything, as it were.

    2. Re:Reinstall Windows by halivar · · Score: 1

      I don't believe that, as I have never, ever seen the behavior described in the article.

    3. Re:Reinstall Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just because your ancedotal evidence leads one way does not mean that it is true in all instances. Corporations have proven that they are not above A/B testing of their customers(or product depending on how you look at it), it is entirely feasable that microsoft could be doing that now to see how much outrage and confusion it can sow and thus adjust their roll out of these features.

      Given how many naughty tricks they played to get people to switch to windows 10 just so they could trumpet the statistics on their adoption rates, why are you not more suspicious of windows? trust is something that is hard to gain and easy to lose but Microsoft doesn't care because they are essentially a monopoly in the market and even if people complain there is nothing that will really be done about it.

  33. 2018 by Bobrick · · Score: 2

    Yep, it's 2018 and 2 years and a half after release I still haven't heard or read one bit of info or news story about W10 that makes it seem like a good idea to upgrade.

  34. What do you mean "greater evil". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are ALL above the treshold of maximum acceptable evilness.

    It's like asking of Hitler or Stalin is the greater evil.
    Does it matter?
    Shoot them both! Done.

  35. Exaggerating the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before anyone gets outraged over this, calm down. The truth is that it turns out this crap actually only happens to Windows users. If you upgraded your OS, Microsoft is not still fucking with your computer. So let's all just relax before we fly off the handle and make asses of ourselves.

  36. Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by nctritech · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CloudContent]
    "DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures"=dword:00000001

    1. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by cyberpunkrocker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Setting HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager\SilentInstalledAppsEnabled to 0 seems to do the same trick at least on Win10 Home

    2. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that should work for about another month.

    3. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      That setting doesn't actually work after 1511. I know because I used to use this and in current builds they expect you to get the enterprise or education SKUs.

    4. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So get the Enterprise version and activate it yourself.

    5. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is why Linux will never go mainstream. Too many obscure, incomprehensible settings just to get the machine to be adequately usable. Normal people just won't put up with it!

      Wait, this hack is for Windows? Uh, forget I said anything.

    6. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Set HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\FuckWithUsersComputerBehindTheirBack to 0 for a more general fix.

    7. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use Linux, you don't have to do special hacks and registry edits and commandline bullshit to get it the way you want, it won't reset defaults and overwrite your preferences with updates either, or change all your UIs to Aero and then to Metro and then again to Fluent

    8. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      You must be a LOT older than most of us.

    9. Re:Paste into a .reg file and run. You're welcome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just use Linux, you don't have to do special hacks and registry edits and commandline bullshit to get it the way you want

      Why don't you sit down over there and we'll have a little discussion about systemd...

  37. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    found the libertarian. Windows is not a choice for most people.

  38. Quit whining and fix it yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been using Windows 10 for just over a year now, and Microsoft has NEVER fucking installed ANYTHING on this while I've had it.

    Before connecting my new laptop to the wifi, I completely disabled Windows Update, Telemetry, and uninstalled the "Windows Store".

    Microsoft being cunts isn't anything new, and if you don't lock down your computer, you only have yourself to blame.

  39. Only livestock gets jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I *give* jobs.
    (Not to livestock though. My philosophy is going directly against standard business practice. I only hire full humans.)

    And if you use anything Microsoft or Apple or Google in my company, your key will not even work, and you will likely get fired.

    1. Re:Only livestock gets jobs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one here cares that you blow guys in the alley behind your mom's house to afford your hentai habit.

  40. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by toejam13 · · Score: 1

    "You should start your own cattle farm and slaughtering plant if you don't like antibiotics, growth hormones, rat feces, and rat poison in your meat."
    "You should start your own automobile company if you don't like cars designed to fail at 150,000 Km."
    "You should start your own pharmaceutical company if you don't like drugs with undisclosed side effects."
    "You should start your own power company if you don't like the current rate structure or the polluting generation methods they use."
    "You should write your own mobile and desktop OS if you don't like what's on the market today."

    Sure, let me dig up a few billion dollars in loose change so I can go out and create those alternatives. Oh wait, I don't have that.

    [libertarian-lifeguard-on-duty-swimmers-facedown.jpg]

  41. Known problem by DarkRookie · · Score: 1

    This has been going on since the release of Win 10. There are various ways to prevent this for Pro and Home versions, but as soon as a service pack is released, BOOM, more ads, apps, and shitty games. (I mean, MS even fucked up solitaire.)

    --
    The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
  42. even worse than you think by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I tried installing Win10 on a blank computer yesterday and the BS mobile app game crap installed at the same time as windows update, there seemed to be an app indexing conflict on the app list, and when I rebooted the start menu wouldn't open. Even the app reset script couldn't fix it. I had to reinstall Windows and it happened again.

  43. There's an abundance of games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I play games all the time and noticed that Linux already has more than a lifetime of games. If you quit your job, eat no-doz for every meal and play games (and do nothing but play games) 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you will die of old age before you finish playing games on Linux. Games are made for Linux faster than you can play them, and Linux isn't even the leading platform yet.

    Worse, that's only desktop-style Linux distros, like Ubuntu. If you also have an Android tablet or phone, then you are truly fucked and have absolutely no chance of ever living another free hour of gameless life, ever.

    1. Re:There's an abundance of games by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      If you quit your job, eat no-doz for every meal and play games (and do nothing but play games) 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you will die of old age before you finish playing games on Linux.

      No, you will die of malnutrition or a heart attack in three to four weeks at the most. Granted, you'll probably look like you died of old age after eating nothing but No-Doze for a month without sleeping.

    2. Re:There's an abundance of games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being obtuse. While the situation for Linux gaming has improved due to OpenGL, it's a small fraction of the library available on windows because a linux equivalent of directx just doesn't exist and until that happens you won't see the same kind of support on Linux. Vulkan made some strides but never caught on and until there is a direct equivalent of directx on Linux it will remain a minor system for gaming.

    3. Re:There's an abundance of games by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I play games all the time and noticed that Linux already has more than a lifetime of games. If you quit your job, eat no-doz for every meal and play games (and do nothing but play games) 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you will die of old age before you finish playing games on Linux. Games are made for Linux faster than you can play them, and Linux isn't even the leading platform yet.

      Most people want to play GOOD games, not cheap knock-off clones. Most people also want to play the AAA games that their friends play, and very few of those ever come to Linux.

    4. Re: There's an abundance of games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do u mean by "due to opengl". Opengl existed on linux before microsoft even left the opelgl group to create directx!

  44. More annoying is when it deletes your Start menu. by necronom426 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I set a PC up for someone at work a week or two ago, the next day it put an update on and reset the entire Start menu tile configuration I'd spent about 15 minutes sorting out, so I had to set it all up again.

    A couple of days later my Dad said "I don't know what happened to this laptop. All my programs have gone and I have to manually search for everything now." Yes, it had deleted all his Start menu, too. What a total F#'#'*&$£ pile of $#!t3. This should be illegal. If I went into someone's house and re-arranged their rooms without asking I'd expect the police to be knocking on my door.

    I only moved to Win 7 because of the end of life with XP, but I can't see me moving off Win 7, ever.

  45. Relax, It's Just Cost Savings by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Microsoft: You're still using our products in spite of a host of better alternatives, so we're going to cut costs by not buying lube anymore.

  46. switch to Linux by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    dump windows, and use Linux

    just as soon as I can get Linux to be stable on this brand new hardware i am wiping windows 10 off and running Linux exclusively, i agree with you on windows, i find myself hating it more & more and especially since it has turned in to a platform to spam you with crap you dont want

    --
    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    1. Re:switch to Linux by erapert · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the Linux family. It's not a perfect family-- no family is-- but welcome just the same.

  47. I'm calling BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have yet to have any 3rd party apps "auto install" on any of my Win10 installs from my daily driver OS to my VM's running insider builds [both Fast and Skip ahead].

    My VM's run vanilla installs so those "should" be the ones to get it but my daily driver install is pretty well locked down to minimize telemetry and any other bits from getting in or out without my express consent.

  48. Well SteamOS is Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So the support will probably be better than for macOS.

    But yeah. Still nowhere close to Windows.

    But then again, that is not that bad, given all the demands that would have to be fulfilled, for that to happen.
    Like basically Eternal-November-ing Linux. Ruining it for users who aren't clueless and need power and freedom. (See: Ubuntu.)
    And like including a full digital restrictions management stack. From the hardware to the kernel to ffmpeg et al to the DE.

    Remember that that entire "it is not your computer/device anymore" thing came from and was pushed by the media industry, to keep up the imaginary artificial scarcity monopoly that enables them to basically forever keep raking in their cocaine money without working for it. Even though *we* actually had to work for each of those dollars, and their employees also got paid only once for each hour they put in.

  49. This is A/B testing, not all of you experience it! by tstrunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To everyone calling bullshit:

    This really happens, but it is assumed that Microsoft is doing some kind of A/B testing, similar to when they roll out updates:

    I've never seen it happen on my PC (besides Candy Crush, which I could easily delete), but on two completely fresh / no MS Account Windows 10 Installs at my in-laws. The following games kept getting downloaded and reinstalled. It was really without user intervention on a completely fresh machine.

    https://i.redd.it/5uvjgiyc7l50...

    It amounted to roughly 1,2GB traffic on a 4mbit connection. Only disabling cloud content via registry allowed this to stop. Uninstall led to reinstall.

  50. Solutions, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please stop saying that MS is good or bad, or suggesting a switch to macOS or Linux. Itâ(TM)s not helping those who need to, or chose to use Windows. Instead, propose a solution to stop the zuto-upgrades or delete the auto-installed apps. If you donâ(TM)t have a constructive suggestion, please abstain.

  51. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

    "You should start your own cattle farm and slaughtering plant if you don't like antibiotics, growth hormones, rat feces, and rat poison in your meat."

    Or buy from a company that doesn't do those things. There are plenty of organic food sellers out there.

    "You should start your own automobile company if you don't like cars designed to fail at 150,000 Km."

    Or do your research and buy a car that doesn't fail at 150,000 Km.

    "You should start your own pharmaceutical company if you don't like drugs with undisclosed side effects."

    Or you could just not take the drugs.

    "You should start your own power company if you don't like the current rate structure or the polluting generation methods they use."

    Or use alternative energy sources like wind & solar.

    "You should write your own mobile and desktop OS if you don't like what's on the market today."

    Or use a flip phone, or don't have a phone.

    Any of these suggestions will yield better results than having the government interfere & probably end up making things worse. I realize though it's easier for some people to get someone else to force others to do what they want.

    --
    Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
  52. Windows/work/Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello I work in a environment that we use every OS known if still functional.

    Long and short I run Linux Mint with wine and VLC, if I need Microsoft I use the web office360. I was experimenting with Lync and wine a while ago I had video issues at the tim,e but time has gone on, my Windows CAD program works well except for the help function, I can still open those files and it I dump time into that feature with links and aliases it would work.

    Honestly there is no reason not use Chrome/Linux/Apple/whatever.

    The OS lock is gone.

    Best regards,
     

  53. Hate to tell ya this, but ⦠by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am literally currently working on automating programming.
    Basically, I decided "Hey, I solve a problem by making a program for it. So why don't I make a program that *makes programs*, and solve ALL the problems on a meta level?". Kinda the final compiler.

    Frankly, many jobs will live longer than programmers or even researchers.
    Things where the automation would basically have to *be* a human, to suit the job.
    Especially all social jobs like caring for children, or people in general, doing therapy, etc.

    1. Re: Hate to tell ya this, but ⦠by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meta programming has been a thing for decades. The breakthrough it requires is not "faster computers" but fundamental insights into new mathematics, logic, and AI. Your "program" isn't going to do shit.

  54. The world doesn't owe you anything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, you're an entitled bitch.

    Maybe you and yours could organize those things if your government weren't already squandering your resources on nonsense. Think about that.

  55. Just uninstall the Windows Store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just uninstalled the Windows Store in Power Shell and that fixed it for me, but then I had no intention of every use it.

  56. Windows Bonzi Buddy Edition by sinij · · Score: 1

    Windows Bonzi Buddy Edition, aka Win10, is a slow-moving corporate suicide by Microsoft.

  57. Bullshit. As a game designer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... I know that games are the natural form of learning. (And the superset of all art, education, entertainment and sports.)

    That is why we say: Those who can, do. Those who can't, play.

    And yes, you can't learn a thing from any games made by the industry. They completely perverted the concept, jist like they perverted all other art forms by turning them into a "product".
    And no, learning games are not what I mean. Because those still imply that learning isn't supposed to be fun, when fun is literally nature's indicator for good learning!

    1. Re:Bullshit. As a game designer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's a bit simplistic.

      Yes, there's little to be learned from the loot box infested crap being pushed by many mainstream developers today, but I wouldn't go so far as saying you can't learn anything from games, even if the more educational ones, or at least with potential to teach you things seem to have indie origins.

      Minecraft, Prison Architect, (Open)Transport Tycoon Deluxe and of course KSP are all examples of games which are great fun and can be pretty educational if you try to make them so. Those are perhaps the more geeky types, but one shouldn't underestimate other kinds of games as well. Perhaps it's because English isn't my native language, but I had never thought about small pox indicating that there would exist a "great pox". I found that one out via CKII. I'm actually quite amazed how much stuff like that gets put into games.

  58. PlayStation if you like the vanilla game by tepples · · Score: 1

    Some players find that particular aspects of some games reduce the player's enjoyment unless and until the game is modded. Of PlayStation, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4, which PlayStation console supports community-maintained game mods? I wasn't aware of any.

    1. Re:PlayStation if you like the vanilla game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xbox One supports modding for selected games and mods, and I think PS4 does too, but I've not tried it.

  59. Did you ask Apple? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Thing is, the a11y hardware and software I require only runs on Windows.

    Try this workaround: Ask an Apple representative what comparable a11y hardware and software is recommended for macOS. If you have done so, what was the reply?

    If Apple refuses to accommodate your disability at a price, find a lawyer, as residents of some countries with a disability like yours may have a remedy at law against things like Apple's iOS Developer Program. Disability discrimination regulations vary from country to country. Some have stronger regulations than those of the United States, others weaker.

  60. Told you so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just the start, basically if you run windows 10 you are already owned bro, sorry.

  61. If you're lucky enough to own supported HW by tepples · · Score: 2

    Hell, you can uninstall Windows altogether from your PC and still have a usable PC.

    That's true of select PCs. But good luck getting usable suspend on something like a ASUS Transformer Book T100TA after installing a competing operating system. From that page: "Closing the lid triggers automatic suspend to RAM, which causes a full freeze."

  62. Re:More annoying is when it deletes your Start men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I went into someone's house and re-arranged their rooms without asking I'd expect the police to be knocking on my door.

    Except from M$'s perspective, you being a presumptuous little bastard who re-arranged their rooms.

    See, from the moment they said you no longer get to choose when you get updates, M$ has pretty much telegraphed that they no longer deem anyone else qualified to make these decisions. It's not your computer, and you're not allowed to make changes they don't agree with.

    Of course, M$ are greedy cocksuckers, so what do you expect?

  63. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by tepples · · Score: 1

    Or you could just not take the drugs.

    That would be tantamount to suicide for many.

    Or use alternative energy sources like wind & solar.

    And what during a calm night?

    Or use a flip phone, or don't have a phone.

    The decline of payphone coverage in the United States makes only the former, not the latter, tenable.

  64. And while you're at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear MS,
    I would really appreciate it if you allow me to choose when to update and restart my PC.
    I'm a big boy now.
    Thnx!

  65. Windows 7 end of extended support by tepples · · Score: 0

    You'll start reading a lot more stories about upgrading come fourth quarter 2019. Security updates for Windows 7 end on January 14, 2020 (source).

    1. Re:Windows 7 end of extended support by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      My wife’s primary computer is an iMac, but we have Windows 7 installed in a VM (Parallels) so she can run her sewing and pattern-making software. Given she doesn’t actually browse the web* or read email inside of Windows... I wonder if there’d be any harm in just keeping that VM on Windows 7 after 2020-01-14?

      * She downloads her patterns and even software from the Mac side of things.

      --
      #DeleteChrome
  66. Rooting win10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it is time for sw to root win10? By rooting I mean giving you real administrative privileges, so you the owner decides what happens on the pc you own.

  67. I agree, its not good practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I ever move beyond Windows 10, this will be one reason why. Is the app store so hard for people to access to download these apps if they really want them? Its not a big deal to uninstall them, no more then the bloatware PC makers install. But should I really have to, and have to do it with every new version release? Does Microsoft realize all these little annoyances add up and make people feel negative about anything Microsoft.

  68. Can't reproduce by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    Win 10 Pro on two Surface Books, and I've never seen a game or social media app appear, let alone send me a notification. I see a small handful of preloaded apps, that's it. My apps may have followed me from an older computer, but the OP is saying every new device goes through this, and in the last almost year I've certainly not had any unrequested apps drop in.

  69. Big Updates by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Once again I've had big updates like that on my machines. At home I run Windows Pro and at work Windows Education and neither have ever done this. The annoyance for me is if I have left something running in the Windows Linux subsystem the job gets killed if the update reboots the machine. However, it has never installed any new apps or uninstalled old ones. Indeed in my experience the update procedure for Win 10 has been a lot less hassle than it was for my previous mac which would fail the update a good fraction of the time when told to do it at night.

    1. Re:Big Updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keyword being Windows Pro. My guess is this happens to home edition which is the version that comes preloaded on most preassembled PCs.

    2. Re:Big Updates by Jonathan+C.+Patschke · · Score: 1

      Once again I've had big updates like that on my machines. At home I run Windows Pro and at work Windows Education and neither have ever done this.

      I'm not disputing this. I'm saying that it does happen, just not as overtly as Steve described. I run Windows Pro at home and on my laptop and have seen it happen to older software I'd installed.

      It can both not-happen to you, and happen to other people who have different software installed.

      --
      Pining for the days when The Glorious MEEPT!!! graced SlapDash with his wisdom.
    3. Re:Big Updates by Cederic · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why I spent the extra money on Pro. Yes, I resent giving MS more money but since the options that met my needs were 'crap cheap OS', 'less crap more expensive OS' or 'mostly good but bloody expensive OS' I went for the middle ground.

  70. "Suggested Apps" by darkain · · Score: 1, Informative

    It is called "Suggested Apps", and with one tic inside of settings, it is entirely disabled. Do we need an entire bitchfest for a simple optional OS feature that is easily disabled?

    https://www.groovypost.com/how...

    1. Re:"Suggested Apps" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this is where opt-out takes us all.
      There comes a plethora of auto 'ins' that it becomes too great of a task for us time conscious users that have better things to do than to wait on an operating system to do stuff we want and not what they want.
      Take back your rights on your on device that you paid for!

  71. Re:This is A/B testing, not all of you experience by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    Is anyone sure this isn't some kind of worm or virus? has Microsoft admitted to it?

    --
    âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
  72. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by toejam13 · · Score: 2

    Any of these suggestions will yield better results than having the government interfere & probably end up making things worse. I realize though it's easier for some people to get someone else to force others to do what they want.

    Not necessarily. Some of your recommendations can introduce issues of their own. Depending on a person's requirements, location, or income, they might not be feasible choices at all.

    I'm sure there were butchers that sold top quality meat in 1905 before Congress and Teddy Roosevelt passed the Meat Inspection Act. But how many of them operated in poor urban neighborhoods? What was the price premium due to their boutique nature and loss of economies of scale? How could you be sure that they sold person X the same product as person Y? The free market is not an infallible system.

    There is a workable balance between regulation and free market solutions. It is naive to state that one is automatically inferior to the other. One has to weigh the pros and cons of each. I look to history and some of the crazy stuff that is happening in China to be glad that our regulation system has attained the balance that it has, even if it isn't perfect.

  73. Re:More annoying is when it deletes your Start men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A funny thing is that Windows 10 after the update that destroyed the start menus still thinks those tiles are pinned on there even if they are nowhere to be seen. It might be a real Windows Bug(r), hiding at the plain sight.

  74. Hold still ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... while we monetize your eyeballs. It will be less painful that way.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  75. Re:This is A/B testing, not all of you experience by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

    This has been known since ~2016:
    https://winaero.com/blog/fix-w...

    TL;DR:
    If a vendor wants to promote an app, then they pay Microsoft to push it to all Windows PCs.

    --
    Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
  76. Anti Bloatware Script for Windows 10 by spacemky · · Score: 1

    I shouldn't have to do this, but I run a powershell script on all of my new Windows 10 PCs to remove the bloatware. I'm sure this isn't a complete list, but it should get the vast majority of it.

    (tip, to list all apps, use the powershell command: Get-AppxPackage | Out-File Apps.txt )

    Here's what I run to remove obvious bloatware / crapware:

    Get-AppxPackage *Minecraft* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *DrawboardPDF* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *FarmVille2CountryEscape* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Asphalt8Airborne* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *PandoraMediaInc* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *CandyCrushSodaSaga* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *MicrosoftSolitaireCollection* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Twitter* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *bingsports* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *bingfinance* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *officehub* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *BingNews* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *windowsphone* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *HolographicFirstRun* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Netflix* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft3DViewer* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *ZuneVideo* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *3dbuilder* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Facebook* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft.SkypeApp* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *SkypeApp* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Appconnector* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Wallet* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Office.Sway* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Zune* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Viber* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *MusicMakerJam* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *USATODAY* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Enpass* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Flipboard* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *TheNewYorkTimes* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *3DBuilder* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Xbox* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *WindowsFeedbackHub* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Drawboard* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *king.com* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *MarchofEmpires* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *SurfaceHub* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *SketchBook* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *WinZip* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *WindowsMaps* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Microsoft3DViewer* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Print3D* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Disney* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *PicsArt* | Remove-AppxPackage
    Get-AppxPackage *Spotify* | Remove-AppxPackage

    --
    640YB ought to be enough for anybody.
  77. Re:This is A/B testing, not all of you experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might be A/B but I suspect that it's just as likely to be a problem with their app store user IDs.

  78. Re:It's 2018... by hyades1 · · Score: 2

    The only real problem with switching away from Windows is that the Linux community is almost as full of c^cksuckers as the men's room at the Republican National Convention.

    --
    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  79. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  80. I'm going to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm currently running Windows 7. I'm slowly getting used to using Linux for productivity stuff like LibreOffice documents and spreadsheet. My printer and scanner work in Linux just fine. Windows is better for the games I play but all the day-to-day stuff works fine on both. I'm going to keep getting used to Linux until Win7 isn't viable. At that point I'll go full Linux rather than switch to the mess that is Windows 10.

  81. Re:This is A/B testing, not all of you experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might have deleted Candy Crush on your own Windows profile, but if you or anyone else ever creates a new Windows profile on the same PC, it will install itself again. Unless you know the special and absurdly complex command string to type into PowerShell.

  82. How? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    I just don't get this. I keep reading (and hearing) people saying all these things that Windows 10 does without permission, like change settings, install Apps, etcetc... WTF are you people doing? Because I've been running Win10 for 2 years now and.. it never does anything I didn't tell it to. Ever. I don't understand, how are people getting it to do weirdness? I'm genuinely curious! Does Microsoft just 'sense' I'm a poweruser by what I have installed and leaves my system alone?

    1. Re:How? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're using "Enterprise" or the "Education" version that comes with a way to disable these update "features"?

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    2. Re:How? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're using "Enterprise" or the "Education" version that comes with a way to disable these update "features"?

      Nope. Windows 10 Pro on all my machines that run Windows.

  83. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    Or you could just not take the drugs.

    That would be tantamount to suicide for many.

    Aren't you taking your chances either way? If so, don't complain about drug side-effects.

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  84. January 14, 2020 by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    EOL Windows 7 RIP

  85. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily. Some of your recommendations can introduce issues of their own. Depending on a person's requirements, location, or income, they might not be feasible choices at all.

    That's always been the case, and always will be. Utopia's not an option. By and large, the market produces more and better options and reacts more quickly to consumer demands than the government.

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  86. Just think... Twice a year by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    Just think about it, twice a year we'll be getting these new and improved versions that are major O/S upgrades. I'm really done with Win 10, it's time to relegate it to a VM for those things that absolutely require Windows, everything else is on Linux including Host O/S that doesn't necessitate this twice yearly PITA.

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  87. Stop silent install of apps by NormanHaga2580 · · Score: 1

    Regedit:

    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager
    Set SilentInstalledAppsEnabled to 0

    Done.

  88. Stop silent install of apps part 2 by NormanHaga2580 · · Score: 0

    Regedit:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CloudContent

    Create a new 32-bit DWORD value named DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures and set its value data to 1

    Reboot.

  89. Windows 10 is not worth the effort by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

    I had spent a bunch of time setting up the tiles for different applications to be organized in the start tiles. A while later, after a windows update, the whole start thing is back to default icons. All the work I did was wasted effort. It is not worth my time to set up the categories and pin the apps back to where I like them if it will all be undone again. At this point I would rather not have the start menu at all if it keeps being reset. I won't ever use the default crap, and stuff I want to use won't stay there after Windows decides to clear it out. So what exactly is the point of these great new features if they are not usable?

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  90. Re:It's 2018... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah the RINOs are definitely closeted. But which is worse, that, or the Lolita Express with Democrats and their donors getting it on with jail bait.

    You decide.

  91. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, when are you moving to South Sudan, the nirvana of no-government?

  92. Dude, it's not your's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Get over it, you don't get to control something that you only have a license to barely use.

  93. damn easy to solve buddy by eric.soulliage · · Score: 1

    just stop installing windows , plenty of better OS's out there

  94. I hate to blame the victim... by erapert · · Score: 2

    I hate to blame the victim... but you did it to yourself by continuing to use Windows after all this time and after all the abuse and after so many warnings. You really need to either stop complaining or switch to an OS that doesn't do crappy things to you like advertise to you on your desktop.

    1. Re:I hate to blame the victim... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody does this to themselves. Telling people to switch OS is easy if you believe users only use Notepad.exe. Of course you can use Linux if you just want to edit a plain text file. For most people they're using Windows because Windows is the only choice to get one particular thing done and the software doesn't exist on any other platform.

      If I want to play RPG games then a Windows machine is the only sensible way to do that. If I move to Linux I will have far fewer games to play and I'll have to work much harder to get them to work. Who wants that?

    2. Re:I hate to blame the victim... by erapert · · Score: 1

      I have more RPGs and strategy games than I have time to play and I use Linux exclusively. Steam works perfectly well on Linux Mint. I think you should do a more careful analysis of what it is that you really need Windows for and then try to find some alternatives. It very well may turn out that you actually judge Windows to be the better system because Windows runs something that Linux won't. That's perfectly fine. But don't complain about the choice you made.

  95. Windows 10 Decrapifier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my list of things to investigate (for some time now...) is the Windows 10 Decrapifier:
    https://community.spiceworks.com/scripts/show/3977-windows-10-decrapifier-version-2

  96. Time for Linux Yet ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I moved to Linux Ubuntu about 8 years ago, and have moved to Linux Mint when Ubuntu tried to force Unity on us.
    All rather than suffer through the struggle of who "OWNS" my computer. I Win !!!!

  97. Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author is too stupid to uncheck suggested apps in settings.

  98. Best Command Ever by trabby · · Score: 1

    Open Powershell as Administrator

    Then run the best command ever

    Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage

  99. Ha ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Normally, I hate to say "I told you so", but in this case I will happily make an exception. You nerds are supposed to be smart, yet you keep trusting Microsoft, over and over again.

  100. Clickbait. HowToGeek has a lot of misinformation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clickbait. I've found that HowToGeek has a lot of misinformation.

  101. Spam 10.0 by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    This is why MS was giving 10 away for free, often without asking. It's not an OS, but a Spam Engine, with an OS in it.

  102. Whenever Win7 stops working, MSFT is gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever Win7 stops working, MSFT is gone.

    Win10 is a virus.

    Win10 has been a virus since before launch - remember the 100% keyboard logger?

    It was forced onto your systems, like a virus.
    It sends data that you don't want sent to somewhere you don't want.
    It loads additional programs that you don't want and cannot remove.

    Isn't that definition of a virus?

  103. script to harden win 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loaded this script on my only win 10 system the day I built it and I have not had any of this crap you guys are talking about, no unwanted updates, no unwanted anything that I have noticed. I have been running it nightly (laptop connected to 45" tv in bedroom) for about 6 months and so far nothing has hit it. I also use a firewall and so far the system is very clean.

    script = https://gist.github.com/alirobe/7f3b34ad89a159e6daa1

    firewall = http://download.cnet.com/Privatefirewall/3000-10435_4-10371057.html

    One step ahead of them!

  104. "I'm getting sick of Windows 10" by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

    Where's the belly laugh smiley when you need it?

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  105. ReactOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is ReactOS these days? I never tried it, but is it better than wine for running windows software? I miss Excel, but that's about it. It would be worth trying ReactOS if it did a great job with Excel. Is ReactOS good enough for the gamers? If so, I'm sure it's fine for everything else.

    Some of the easy Linux distros are much simpler to maintain. Even as a clueless MBA, Linux is so much easier to use than it used to be, and definitely easier to use and maintain than Windows. Since converting the whole family over to Linux, my family tech support duties have gone to zero. No one is allowed to bring windows in the house, unless they have a tech support person at work or school who is going to maintain that crap for them, because I'm not doing it anymore.

    Seriously, if you're a non-technical person still using windows and too cheap to buay a Mac, Linux is so much easier to use now. Buy your geek neighbor a beer and have him/her install Linux Mint and give you a 3 minute tour. In fact, they'll probably buy you a beer if you let them install Linux, because that means you'll quit asking them about your broken windows computer.

  106. Windows 10 Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can anyone definitive say that the EULA for Windows 10 Pro does, or does not, give Microsoft permission to install stuff on your computer?

  107. Re:More annoying is when it deletes your Start men by antdude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So move to another OS like Mac, Linux, etc.?

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  108. You got that wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I blow them because I like the occasional dick in my throat.
    And my habit is more one of getting anally fisted.

    Got a problem with that, Catholiban child rapist?

    And with my mom ... regarding my parents, there is nothing you could "insult" me with, that is worse than actual reality.
    I don't know what they are up to nowadays though. Haven't seen them for 20 years.
    Probably founding a cult in some 3rd world country and sucking off American mass-murderers, respectively.

  109. Seeding their torrents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When setting up a fresh install of windows 10 you are asked if you want to get your updates via peer to peer transfers from others nearby who already have them (seems like this is the default option). By force installing certain apps they are effectively seeding the mesh network of windows users and lessening the load on their update/windows store servers. I try to keep background traffic on my network to a minimum so that's why I turn that crap off. I don't want a bunch of randos leeching my bandwidth.

  110. No, stop ruining Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't you see that the attitude of "the average user" as a complete moron that needs everything so easy it is an insult to a grade schooler's intelligence, IS what is causing software to become so shit!?

    If you can't even write a 3-line script, maybe it is you who's the problem!

  111. It is a Windows-ONLY mindset. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody who started out without any prior Windows mental damage does that.

    Rebooting and resetting is a Windows thing and always has been.

    Linux users don't really reboot unless the kernel got replaced or power was lost.
    Resetting the OS to a "factory default" is not even a known concept under Linux!

    1. Re: It is a Windows-ONLY mindset. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly this. you cannot reset to default ona linux os. what you CAN do i install OVER the current os and keep all your files and settings intact. granted you still need to reinstall all the user software, but this usually is a apt-get one-liner

  112. Time for a class action law suit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what I said

  113. MS-10 is 77% as bad as MS-13 by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    nuf sed

  114. Linux by stooo · · Score: 1

    Use Linux.

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  115. My solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never, never, ever create a MicroSoft account and never use ever one MicroSoft app. Seems to work.

  116. Microsoft is untrustworthy scum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spying, data-perv style data theft, auto installing apps. They're pieces of shit scum.

  117. Ya got what ya paid for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are still using Microsoft for your OS vendor in 2018, then you have brought this on yourself.

  118. Can you switch? by ajyand · · Score: 1

    Can you switch to Linux?

    For last 12 years I have been living in a parallel universe where Microsoft exists but not as a developer of an operating system.

  119. Why should they ask you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the farmer ask the cow if it's OK with being milked?

    I think you may not understand your role in modern tech. You are not a tech company's customer. You are the resource to be exploited for the benefit of their customers.

    Now, your udders look swollen. Best to waddle on over to the milking barn. And, try not to be such a whiny bitch about it this time.

  120. BREAKING NEWS! by antdah · · Score: 1

    ...also, sun rising in the morning and water can make you wet. More at 11!

  121. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Let's see, so if a drug is keeping me alive I shouldn't complain about side effects? As in there are only two states, "not dead yet" and "dead", and the only important thing is what state you're in?

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  122. What's an "app?" by arctother · · Score: 1

    Is that like a "program?"

  123. Re:More annoying is when it deletes your Start men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've setup many W10 Pro pcs here at work and seen that happen about a third of the time.
    I've tried the things a google search brings up to correct it, but usually just do a system refresh/restore/whatever they call it now and that fixes it.

    Sometimes I think it may be better to just do a system restore right off the bat...

  124. Node.js /usr/bin/node by dfsmith · · Score: 1

    BTW, I'd really like to know why the Debian people decided to rename NodeJS to just Node. It took me quite a while to figure out why NodeJS didn't exist after having installed the package. Renaming the main executable for no damn reason will do that!

    The Node.js folks also call the executable node, so, um, maybe they use Debian too?

  125. Re:"THERE SHOULD BE A LAW!!!!!111" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone dies eventually.

    Stop asking people to bend over backwards to help those who won't help themselves. All choices are feasible, it's simply a question of what someone is willing to trade. If someone can't afford something, they can always work harder to be able to afford it.

  126. Problem solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop using microsoft crapware.

  127. Upgrading from Win 7 to 10? by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Now, why is it I haven't upgraded to Windows 10? Oh, yeah, stuff like this.

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  128. Software non-freedom runs against user's interests by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    So unless you buy the enterprise edition of Windows (Cost: $84 per PC, per year, minimum 5 licenses), or are attending a university that will enable you to obtain the Education edition on windows (Cost: averages about $9,970 per year) you can't even do what you suggest. Windows explicitly ignores the settings that turns this functionality off.

    Actually the reason you can't really control Windows is because Windows is proprietary software. No amount of registry changes, config file changes, or changing one's practices with Windows will place Windows under the user's control. That's the same for any variant of Windows no matter how much one pays or if the software bears the name "enterprise".

    Microsoft has a universal backdoor in Windows. Even disconnecting the Windows computer from the network won't place that computer under the owner's control. What the article complains about isn't new: tricking and forcibly pushing users into switching to Windows 10, privacy controls that ignore the user's settings and rat on the user regardless, and dropping support for processors Microsoft doesn't want to support instead of letting the users do the work are all part of the same theme—this is what non-free software can do.

  129. slashdot is funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the 2000's, my memory is that most slashdot articles about Microsoft were criticisms about spreading FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Basically, lying or misleading statements about Linux to try to convince enterprises to not use Linux. Now I see Linux fans all over the internet using the same tactics against Microsoft. As someone who uses Windows 10, including trying out Insider Builds in a VM, I see people online complaining about things I know are wrong, or in cases like this article, I've never experienced myself so I don't trust.

    So basically, it appears to me that the Linux community online has become exactly what the Linux community 10-15 years ago hated so much. Obviously it's not necessarily the same people, but still funny to see.

    How do we judge when particular websites become fake-news echo-chambers?

  130. We're not asking for the justification: NO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're not asking for the justification: NO MEANS NO.

  131. What the fuck? Are you fucking serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck? Are you fucking serious?

    Is that supposed to be viable option? Seriously?

  132. Re:It's 2018... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Thanks. I was wondering how long it would be until one of the c^cksuckers I was talking about put in an appearance. You sure didn't disappoint!

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  133. It's an intrusion! by iq145 · · Score: 1

    i hate when these companies just go ahead and "decide" to do to you whatever they want. Anything to make a buck. Farcebook is just as bad...