Local levels, many, and rather successfully it seems. Federal/national level, haven't heard of any others. Key point there, "I haven't heard of any others".
Which churches/organizations other than scientology and catholics have been having non-misdemeanor legal issues?
Well regular christians have done all that stuff for centuries, why shouldn't a newly spawned branch of christianity be any less disreputable? Yes, Mormons are Christians. So are Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, and so many others.
No, I'm not a Mormon, but I probably know a lot more than many of the posters here today. Sad, isn't it.
It's obvious you haven't read the religious texts of either the Mormons or Scientology. I'd bet you haven't even read the bible, most christians haven't, other than select passages their preacher has them turn the page to.
And yes, the Mormons may be different, and their history is rather oddball, but scientology is just plain wackjob badly written sci-fantasy.
By the way, all of those religious texts I've mentioned are easily obtainable, and for free if you just look. Go read them.
Hillary Clinton wanted (maybe still wants) to make drawings and paintings of characters that someone thinks is a minor, child pornography.
Obviously she doesn't get the reason for ban, or comprehend what a horrible can of worms she is opening by allowing prosecution based on what someone else imagines rather than something that actually happened. (Various expletives come to mind that I can't post here.)
I agree. Not many atheists have been murdered for being atheists or saying things the religious fruitcakes don't like in the U.S.. I don't make any predictions on fanatics because I find them rather unpredictable, except that they do stupid and horrible things based on their own twisted interpretations of ideologies.
It probably means it was a setup where they could claim grievance without bothering to check anything. If you want to be insulted, you will be, despite lacking any act of maliciousness or proof.
We are mostly water. As to "Fahrenheit is a scale based what is hot an cold to humans", what the $#@$% are you talking about? Try reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit It goes over what how and why Fahrenheit set his temperature scale the way he did, and you know what, the human feelings had nothing to do with it, though the temperature of human blood was used for part of it. I find that kind of creepy, but a lot of people were obsessed about that kind of stuff in the early 1700s.
So again, Fahrenheit isn't based on what a human might think is hot or cold, it's based on some arbitrary points and scaling by it's creator. For that matter, so is the Celsius scale, but in a lesser extent because it based the whole thing on a consistent set of arbitrary stuff. (The Freezing and boiling of water broken into 100 degrees.)
Of course, is the 'infraction' due to a software error, an emergency response to prevent a collision, or falsified to begin with? In any of those cases, you, the owner, can easily fight it in court.
Remember, just recently a car stopped at an intersection and clearly not moving was cited for going too fast. Needless to say, the driver fought the ticket using the 'proof' from the citation that clearly showed the car not moving.
It's pretty much the only scientific standard available for food. Nothing is absolute, including your existence, and science recognizes that. Additionally, 'food safety' is a pretty nebulous thing once you've excluded all known toxins. Well, those fish aren't toxic, and the tests haven't found anything else more dangerous than any other salmon. As to long term effect, well, we don't really have long term effects on human consumption of any salmon other than anecdotal stuff, and on the level we interact with the salmon, it's the same as other salmon. If I gave you 10 salmon steaks and one was from a genetically modified salmon, you couldn't tell which one it was. (That's if they were raised in the same environment on the same food. Different water temps and foods can change the texture and taste of salmon, but that's environment, not genetics.)
As a side note, I like mentioning corn. Do you really think our corn is 'natural'? Have you seen corn from a thousand years ago? I have, it looks like wheat. What we call corn now is a fast growing freakishly huge form that was created by the form of genetic manipulation techniques known as hybridization and selective breeding.
If you're afraid of eating something just because it's genetics have been changed, you had better stop eating commercial food because pretty much everything we grow and raise has been genetically modified. It's just those were done by slower and less accurate means in the past. It was a method that has even more unintended alterations than genetic engineering and also has to be repeated many many times in an attempt to target the specific change desired while attempting to weed out some of the unintended ones that were introduced at the same time. If you don't believe me, that's fine, go look up breeding and hybridization, you'll find haphazard and unregulated it actually is. Now if you have a problem with something specific, like a pesticide being produced by the crop, then you might have something worth looking into. Of course, does it express in the part we eat? How do the quantities compare to 'normal' food we buy? (They get pesticide too, and in larger quantities. How much is still there after you take the food home and have washed it?) Of course, if you are just afraid because something is a 'frankenfood', your fears are baseless and I have to wonder if you enjoyed dying in your zombie apocalypse a few days ago?
Sorry about my post being a bit disorganized and rushed, I have to hurry up and get some last minute stuff done that just came up. Have fun, and don't have a staring contest with your food, even if the food started it.:)
I read an ancient piece of sci-fi that has a future society where every adult is armed and expected to be able to fight. Duels are common. For those that are abject cowards, or those that are deemed incapable of fighting or are restricted from it for some reason (pregnant women, the physically disabled, the sick, etc.) wear a special item that clearly identifies their status, they are not allowed to carry a weapon, and must always defer to the fighting capable. If they pick up a weapon though, they become fare game and subject to harsh penalties from the law, assuming they survive. As a side note, it's considered honorable and just to defend those incapable of fighting from unjust treatment, though there's a huge difference between what's considered appropriate for a pregnant woman vs a complete coward.
Sorry I can't remember the name, but like I said, it was really old. (Now that's going to bug me for weeks until I dig up that name.)
Of course since they remain a viable reservoir of the virus, it can and will continue to attempt to expand beyond their borders. They are a viral cesspool that threatens to infect everyone. Ok, that was a bit dramatic, but the point is, you can't leave a viable infectious reservoir if you want to eradicate a disease. Look at smallpox. There was a massive campaign to inoculate everyone on the planet. The got pretty close to that goal, and no area was left untouched. Now, the only smallpox you are going to see are the samples still held by certain organizations. Most of the doctors and scientists want even those samples eradicated, but a few fools have been preventing that for over a decade. (I could list why their excuses are invalid, but this isn't the place.) They are just trying to do the same thing with polio. This can only be effectively done with diseases that reside exclusively in humans.
Ok, some people are going with the Star Trek Prime Directive excuse. In Next Gen and later, the wimps writing for them interpreted it as a total hands off let them suffer version. In the original series, it was a don't mess with their development kind of thing. Curing a plague was ok, so was evacuating a doomed planet. On the other hand, you don't set yourself up as gods, provide them with advanced tech or science, or force a non-space faring planet into the federation. In the New stuff, they'd totally let everyone suffer and die, and then wring their hands metaphorically and congratulate themselves on not interfering in the development of another culture. In the Old stuff, they'd have provided a vaccine and aided in it's distribution and then congratulate themselves on saving vast numbers of peoples lives among the primitive culture, and making it possible for them to continue to develop on their own.
Yes, I watched a lot of Star Trek when I was younger.
One of the problems some people are overlooking is that vaccinations need to go to the people, the people can't really go to the vaccines, or at least not the distances and locations that would be required if they had to go to the major cities. Few people have the kind of transportation necessary, and leaving your own area, ESPECIALLY if you are a tribal, it is an immediate and large risk to your survival and well being. It would be great if the government would provide security escorts for the aid workers, but again, it's not going to work in the boonies out there. Some tribal territories would consider that a hostile act, and either not cooperate, or actually try to kill everyone involved. As to the CIA thing, I hadn't heard of it, and am somewhat doubtful without further documentation. On the other hand, that's the kind of bullshit the CIA is know for doing, even though I'm pretty sure it's against international law. Even if it isn't against international law, it is a horribly stupid thing to do as it will put all humanitarian aid personnel and projects in jeopardy for years if not decades. It's something no intelligent, rational, or ethical person would do. In other words, right up spy alley.
As to the Taliban, they've already proven they'll say and do anything to force people to follow and obey their power. They have proven themselves to the world to be irrational unreasoning scum of the worst sort. They don't want outsiders in their territories and will happily lie, steal, cheat, and kill to get their way.
I wouldn't say 'slight differences'. Even raised in the same environment, and sharing many of the same experiences, identical twins are not identical. Nobody would argue that they are two different people. Obviously a clone may share appearances with their DNA donor, but would have a totally different environment and experiences. They would probably be nothing alike outside of their overall appearance.
Saying that parents could replace a dead offspring is a horrible and deceitful thing to say. The clone would be a new person that only looked like the dead one. The parents would be torturing themselves by having a constant reminder of the dead child in the image of a new one that definitely isn't the prior one. As to the poor clone, it would be always having to live up to the expectations others have based on a dead child. You thought you had a problem living in the shadow of your older siblings, just imagine the horror of living in the shadow of a dead child you were cloned from.;
I'm not against cloning, but it needs to be done for the correct reason, and people need to understand that the clones are new individuals that have nothing to do with their donor other than sharing a genetic heritage, just like you. You see, you are essentially a hybrid clone derived from 2 donors. It's not an exact analogy, but it's close enough. Kind of funny how that works out.
I started bringing my personal laptop to my programming classes for a simple reason. About 20% (seemed like 65%, but that's probably just a trick of memory)of the class computers had their compilers borked by another student and any particular time. You had no idea that somebody had put in a weird setting in the compiler, or had just outright broke something, until after you'd done way too much troubleshooting. I found I got a whole lot more done on my personal box that nobody else could mess up.:)
It shouldn't have gotten to that point because the machine shouldn't have triggered on that, and the contractor should have caught the error, but besides all that, there is a lot more than 'human error' involved, it's human indifference, and most likely intentional.
Remember, "The department has said that a single officer can review up to 1,200 citations in a given day.". So if you have an awesomely diligent cop reviewing these things, who's working on it non-stop for a full 80 hours, that means he's devoting about 24 SECONDS to each one. So loading the data, reviewing the pictures and the video, making a decision, and clicking on whatever buttons and possibly filling out supplementary information required of him (whatever that may or may not be) all in 24 seconds. Yeah, the donut eating coffee swiller is just rubber stamping them. Hell, he probably doesn't even notice what color the car is, nor does he care.
This system isn't designed to improve safety or help anyone, it only does one thing, and that's to make money for the local government and the contractor.
If it were really because of electronic interference potentially causing the plane to crash, I'd be terrified if there was lightning within 2 miles, or an active radar station at the airport.
Their tech was never groundbreaking, but their marketing was. Supply schools with buttloads of machines for super low or even free was a move of Genius! All those new computer literate users now knew how to use an Apple computer, but nothing else. It would have been a clean sweep if they could have gotten the stodgy old business world to switch over. Other than that, their engineering may have looked pretty, but it wasn't that hot. Though their software used to be pretty good, but I can't say that now, too much bloated you know what... Suddenly I feel like bashing Microsoft, but that's getting way too off subject, so this thread should end.:)
More like 'Exploit'. The phone systems then used specific tones to control it. Those 'blue boxes' just repeated the tone used to activate an authorization for a no charge long distance call. Those boxes weren't even doing anything new, as the specific tone was well know to the phreak community and hackers in general. One gained the handle of "Captain Crunch" because he found out that the whistles that came in Captain Crunch cereal at that time produced that specific tone and could be used to activate free calls. Steve Jobs merely tread upon a road well worn by those that came before, and he charged as much money as he could to those who weren't in the know.
Especially since they've just proven they have no problem with publicly screwing over their user-base without any notice what-so-ever. Hey, I bet if they'd have just come out and said, "We're going to shutdown that service in 2 weeks, you might want to post your sever ips for your users." they'd still get yelled at by users, but at least it wouldn't harm them professionally.
In their continuing quest to impose their marketing scum on every aspect and moment of your life, they are now taking yet another step in their bid to become omnipresent and unavoidable.
It's getting to the point where these marketing invasions need to have serious and painful repercussions to those creating or employing them.
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Local levels, many, and rather successfully it seems.
Federal/national level, haven't heard of any others. Key point there, "I haven't heard of any others".
Which churches/organizations other than scientology and catholics have been having non-misdemeanor legal issues?
Well regular christians have done all that stuff for centuries, why shouldn't a newly spawned branch of christianity be any less disreputable? Yes, Mormons are Christians. So are Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, and so many others.
No, I'm not a Mormon, but I probably know a lot more than many of the posters here today. Sad, isn't it.
It's obvious you haven't read the religious texts of either the Mormons or Scientology. I'd bet you haven't even read the bible, most christians haven't, other than select passages their preacher has them turn the page to.
And yes, the Mormons may be different, and their history is rather oddball, but scientology is just plain wackjob badly written sci-fantasy.
By the way, all of those religious texts I've mentioned are easily obtainable, and for free if you just look. Go read them.
Hillary Clinton wanted (maybe still wants) to make drawings and paintings of characters that someone thinks is a minor, child pornography.
Obviously she doesn't get the reason for ban, or comprehend what a horrible can of worms she is opening by allowing prosecution based on what someone else imagines rather than something that actually happened. (Various expletives come to mind that I can't post here.)
I agree. Not many atheists have been murdered for being atheists or saying things the religious fruitcakes don't like in the U.S..
I don't make any predictions on fanatics because I find them rather unpredictable, except that they do stupid and horrible things based on their own twisted interpretations of ideologies.
It probably means it was a setup where they could claim grievance without bothering to check anything.
If you want to be insulted, you will be, despite lacking any act of maliciousness or proof.
We are mostly water. As to "Fahrenheit is a scale based what is hot an cold to humans", what the $#@$% are you talking about?
Try reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
It goes over what how and why Fahrenheit set his temperature scale the way he did, and you know what, the human feelings had nothing to do with it, though the temperature of human blood was used for part of it. I find that kind of creepy, but a lot of people were obsessed about that kind of stuff in the early 1700s.
So again, Fahrenheit isn't based on what a human might think is hot or cold, it's based on some arbitrary points and scaling by it's creator. For that matter, so is the Celsius scale, but in a lesser extent because it based the whole thing on a consistent set of arbitrary stuff. (The Freezing and boiling of water broken into 100 degrees.)
Like virtually all the rest of the world?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system
Of course, is the 'infraction' due to a software error, an emergency response to prevent a collision, or falsified to begin with?
In any of those cases, you, the owner, can easily fight it in court.
Remember, just recently a car stopped at an intersection and clearly not moving was cited for going too fast. Needless to say, the driver fought the ticket using the 'proof' from the citation that clearly showed the car not moving.
It's pretty much the only scientific standard available for food. Nothing is absolute, including your existence, and science recognizes that. Additionally, 'food safety' is a pretty nebulous thing once you've excluded all known toxins. Well, those fish aren't toxic, and the tests haven't found anything else more dangerous than any other salmon. As to long term effect, well, we don't really have long term effects on human consumption of any salmon other than anecdotal stuff, and on the level we interact with the salmon, it's the same as other salmon. If I gave you 10 salmon steaks and one was from a genetically modified salmon, you couldn't tell which one it was. (That's if they were raised in the same environment on the same food. Different water temps and foods can change the texture and taste of salmon, but that's environment, not genetics.)
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As a side note, I like mentioning corn. Do you really think our corn is 'natural'? Have you seen corn from a thousand years ago? I have, it looks like wheat. What we call corn now is a fast growing freakishly huge form that was created by the form of genetic manipulation techniques known as hybridization and selective breeding.
If you're afraid of eating something just because it's genetics have been changed, you had better stop eating commercial food because pretty much everything we grow and raise has been genetically modified. It's just those were done by slower and less accurate means in the past. It was a method that has even more unintended alterations than genetic engineering and also has to be repeated many many times in an attempt to target the specific change desired while attempting to weed out some of the unintended ones that were introduced at the same time. If you don't believe me, that's fine, go look up breeding and hybridization, you'll find haphazard and unregulated it actually is.
Now if you have a problem with something specific, like a pesticide being produced by the crop, then you might have something worth looking into. Of course, does it express in the part we eat? How do the quantities compare to 'normal' food we buy? (They get pesticide too, and in larger quantities. How much is still there after you take the food home and have washed it?) Of course, if you are just afraid because something is a 'frankenfood', your fears are baseless and I have to wonder if you enjoyed dying in your zombie apocalypse a few days ago?
Sorry about my post being a bit disorganized and rushed, I have to hurry up and get some last minute stuff done that just came up. Have fun, and don't have a staring contest with your food, even if the food started it.
I doubt he's wondering that, because if he is, why is his hat made of latex?
I read an ancient piece of sci-fi that has a future society where every adult is armed and expected to be able to fight. Duels are common. For those that are abject cowards, or those that are deemed incapable of fighting or are restricted from it for some reason (pregnant women, the physically disabled, the sick, etc.) wear a special item that clearly identifies their status, they are not allowed to carry a weapon, and must always defer to the fighting capable. If they pick up a weapon though, they become fare game and subject to harsh penalties from the law, assuming they survive. As a side note, it's considered honorable and just to defend those incapable of fighting from unjust treatment, though there's a huge difference between what's considered appropriate for a pregnant woman vs a complete coward.
Sorry I can't remember the name, but like I said, it was really old. (Now that's going to bug me for weeks until I dig up that name.)
Of course since they remain a viable reservoir of the virus, it can and will continue to attempt to expand beyond their borders.
They are a viral cesspool that threatens to infect everyone.
Ok, that was a bit dramatic, but the point is, you can't leave a viable infectious reservoir if you want to eradicate a disease.
Look at smallpox. There was a massive campaign to inoculate everyone on the planet. The got pretty close to that goal, and no area was left untouched. Now, the only smallpox you are going to see are the samples still held by certain organizations. Most of the doctors and scientists want even those samples eradicated, but a few fools have been preventing that for over a decade. (I could list why their excuses are invalid, but this isn't the place.)
They are just trying to do the same thing with polio. This can only be effectively done with diseases that reside exclusively in humans.
Ok, some people are going with the Star Trek Prime Directive excuse. In Next Gen and later, the wimps writing for them interpreted it as a total hands off let them suffer version. In the original series, it was a don't mess with their development kind of thing. Curing a plague was ok, so was evacuating a doomed planet. On the other hand, you don't set yourself up as gods, provide them with advanced tech or science, or force a non-space faring planet into the federation.
In the New stuff, they'd totally let everyone suffer and die, and then wring their hands metaphorically and congratulate themselves on not interfering in the development of another culture.
In the Old stuff, they'd have provided a vaccine and aided in it's distribution and then congratulate themselves on saving vast numbers of peoples lives among the primitive culture, and making it possible for them to continue to develop on their own.
Yes, I watched a lot of Star Trek when I was younger.
One of the problems some people are overlooking is that vaccinations need to go to the people, the people can't really go to the vaccines, or at least not the distances and locations that would be required if they had to go to the major cities. Few people have the kind of transportation necessary, and leaving your own area, ESPECIALLY if you are a tribal, it is an immediate and large risk to your survival and well being. It would be great if the government would provide security escorts for the aid workers, but again, it's not going to work in the boonies out there. Some tribal territories would consider that a hostile act, and either not cooperate, or actually try to kill everyone involved.
As to the CIA thing, I hadn't heard of it, and am somewhat doubtful without further documentation. On the other hand, that's the kind of bullshit the CIA is know for doing, even though I'm pretty sure it's against international law. Even if it isn't against international law, it is a horribly stupid thing to do as it will put all humanitarian aid personnel and projects in jeopardy for years if not decades. It's something no intelligent, rational, or ethical person would do. In other words, right up spy alley.
As to the Taliban, they've already proven they'll say and do anything to force people to follow and obey their power. They have proven themselves to the world to be irrational unreasoning scum of the worst sort. They don't want outsiders in their territories and will happily lie, steal, cheat, and kill to get their way.
I wouldn't say 'slight differences'. Even raised in the same environment, and sharing many of the same experiences, identical twins are not identical. Nobody would argue that they are two different people.
Obviously a clone may share appearances with their DNA donor, but would have a totally different environment and experiences. They would probably be nothing alike outside of their overall appearance.
Saying that parents could replace a dead offspring is a horrible and deceitful thing to say. The clone would be a new person that only looked like the dead one. The parents would be torturing themselves by having a constant reminder of the dead child in the image of a new one that definitely isn't the prior one. As to the poor clone, it would be always having to live up to the expectations others have based on a dead child. You thought you had a problem living in the shadow of your older siblings, just imagine the horror of living in the shadow of a dead child you were cloned from.;
I'm not against cloning, but it needs to be done for the correct reason, and people need to understand that the clones are new individuals that have nothing to do with their donor other than sharing a genetic heritage, just like you. You see, you are essentially a hybrid clone derived from 2 donors. It's not an exact analogy, but it's close enough. Kind of funny how that works out.
Yeah, that's like saying a hyena and a lion were going to have a leopard hold the dead antelope they both want to eat.
I started bringing my personal laptop to my programming classes for a simple reason. About 20% (seemed like 65%, but that's probably just a trick of memory)of the class computers had their compilers borked by another student and any particular time. You had no idea that somebody had put in a weird setting in the compiler, or had just outright broke something, until after you'd done way too much troubleshooting. I found I got a whole lot more done on my personal box that nobody else could mess up. :)
It shouldn't have gotten to that point because the machine shouldn't have triggered on that, and the contractor should have caught the error, but besides all that, there is a lot more than 'human error' involved, it's human indifference, and most likely intentional.
Remember, "The department has said that a single officer can review up to 1,200 citations in a given day.". So if you have an awesomely diligent cop reviewing these things, who's working on it non-stop for a full 80 hours, that means he's devoting about 24 SECONDS to each one. So loading the data, reviewing the pictures and the video, making a decision, and clicking on whatever buttons and possibly filling out supplementary information required of him (whatever that may or may not be) all in 24 seconds. Yeah, the donut eating coffee swiller is just rubber stamping them. Hell, he probably doesn't even notice what color the car is, nor does he care.
This system isn't designed to improve safety or help anyone, it only does one thing, and that's to make money for the local government and the contractor.
The only ones I've heard of that succeeded involved islands of limited size and land-born species. (No flyers or strong swimmers.)
If it were really because of electronic interference potentially causing the plane to crash, I'd be terrified if there was lightning within 2 miles, or an active radar station at the airport.
Their tech was never groundbreaking, but their marketing was. Supply schools with buttloads of machines for super low or even free was a move of Genius! All those new computer literate users now knew how to use an Apple computer, but nothing else. It would have been a clean sweep if they could have gotten the stodgy old business world to switch over. :)
Other than that, their engineering may have looked pretty, but it wasn't that hot. Though their software used to be pretty good, but I can't say that now, too much bloated you know what...
Suddenly I feel like bashing Microsoft, but that's getting way too off subject, so this thread should end.
In 5 years, there have been 6 iphones... There seems to be a pattern here.
More like 'Exploit'. The phone systems then used specific tones to control it. Those 'blue boxes' just repeated the tone used to activate an authorization for a no charge long distance call. Those boxes weren't even doing anything new, as the specific tone was well know to the phreak community and hackers in general. One gained the handle of "Captain Crunch" because he found out that the whistles that came in Captain Crunch cereal at that time produced that specific tone and could be used to activate free calls. Steve Jobs merely tread upon a road well worn by those that came before, and he charged as much money as he could to those who weren't in the know.
Especially since they've just proven they have no problem with publicly screwing over their user-base without any notice what-so-ever.
Hey, I bet if they'd have just come out and said, "We're going to shutdown that service in 2 weeks, you might want to post your sever ips for your users." they'd still get yelled at by users, but at least it wouldn't harm them professionally.
In their continuing quest to impose their marketing scum on every aspect and moment of your life, they are now taking yet another step in their bid to become omnipresent and unavoidable.
It's getting to the point where these marketing invasions need to have serious and painful repercussions to those creating or employing them.
Ever hear of Squab?