After all the new moderators will have their fun and "power", they will run out of points. desperate to get ones, they will post bad comments, and will be moderated.
when moderated, yet another moderator will run out of points, being forced to post bad comments.
This way, moderators will run out of points very quickly. and alot of bad posts could not get moderated. (plus the posts the moderators post to get points)
This is very bad, and i think moderation points should be earned in other ways. (maybe per month/week basis)
the only good rule about the system is the anti-ego one. this kills the IRC channels aristocracy and suck-ups to ops.
Amazingly enough you have recieved a score of 2. Do you remove moderation of suck-ups? Will my score be lowered by this moderator for calling him a suck-up? only time will tell....
Mostly the first threads are answered first. The first threads root comment is usualy a quick score1 type, since the good comments usualy are longer and require the time to type.
Thats whay it is common to see good posts as a reply to a lame thread or a question.
I know many who will. People will think "If I read this book I can be a gazillionaire too!"
But as noted before, this is for a 24 pack of books. (why would anyone buy that quantity? do they think this will make them 24 times as rich as bill gates? maybe multiply their chance to be rich by 24? maybe build a mountain of books?)
People want to use us, they use Linux and Open Source as a bate. (eg APSL calling itself free)
these bad ugly commercial companies, they are using linux to get money. (dell selling linux for $99 is an example)
and yes, Redhat is one of them. they do own an important packaging format, and they do try to make redhat the "standrard" linux. (in a lecture given by an oracle spokesperson, a qeustion was asked if the product will be availible for debian, he didnt knew what was debian)
A standard linux (and there must be one, unfortunatly) must not be owned by a commercial company, but must be the effort of many people, these will choose how the "standard" linux will be. As the leading project distribution, I think debian must be it.
I have no idea how to elevate such a thing, but if most of us do try to make our stuff work on debian, and use dpkgs, use it ourselves when possible, recommend it, maybe contribute to it, It is possible to have a "not owned system", (the base of it atleast).
When I use my linux, it is true that no company made the kernel, but a company did built it alltogether, and that's no longer an OS by the people to the people.
The fact the IBM and Dell sell redaht is very frightning to me, I myself fear that redhat will sometime develop a propriatary standard, and we will all be doomed.
And sometime I do need to use a redhat system to get good binaries, or support, or many other things, and that shouldnt happend.
they CAN be our next MS, and we wouldnt know it. (the do have a mini-monopoly of sorts)
but, as I've seen from the mozilla.org news, M3 was in 12/3 (isnt it???) and my build is the latest source (i pulled it yesterday from ftp). maybe I'm wrong but M3 should work properly and function on all OSes to allow html writers to design NS5 pages, and surf most sites, and it doesnt, yet.
When i tried slashdot, i got:
Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkbox.c: line 332 (gtk_box_pack_start): assertion `child->parent == NULL' failed. URL to load in nsBrowserAppCore is slashdot.org WARNING: cell content 836ADC0 has large width 45886 WARNING: cell content 839DB40 has large height 48775 WARNING: cell content 839DB40 has large height 48775 Aborted
I got a similar message for trying to use the preferences box too. (gtk is not defective, i have 1.2.0, gimp works fine, and so does gnome, but yeah, i assume win32 wont have this problem).
on the other hand it does render linuxtoday without a hitch.
btw, yes the UI sucks, but i dont care about that, I know that first lets get it working.
First thing: I do not agree with what he said. but he has a point.
3 years ago I could say: "Microsoft is helping the internet with MSIE,Outlook,and IIS server".
As much as I like Linux to scceed I like Microsoft to fail. Dont say "MS Office will bring people", say "Hey, you can also use StarOffice/KOffice/Aplix/Whatever" Microsoft is not helping anything. It wouldnt release anything for linux unless they gained something. And for the small amout of linux users, it's not money, it must be market share. Even if we cant understand why they do it, I can almost be sure that it's not good for us.
Well, about XF86Setup, it's just not friendly enough, and I rather edit the X config file myself. but I do like that stuff work out of the box, recompiling kernel/editing manualy is not fun.
ezLinux is: 1. beta. 2. CLOSED SOURCE (not the kernel, but you get my point) 3. IS NOT AVAILIBLE FOR FREE DOWNLOAD 4. CANNOT BE FREELY DISTRIBUTED 5. uses kde (i like gnome, do i have a choice - no) 6. a copy of M$ Wind-ooz (registry???) 7. many other bad things.
It's the non-linux. unfortunatly, since I'm not familiar with any other frienly installers, I cannot recommend a better linux for my friends. Thats why I hope redhat will have GUI installer, and even more, that debian will have one.
I have not updated everything, but i do like to be cutting edge (I have the new kernel, cvs gnome)
I'm scared that the rpm's will have problems. I had such problems before (with gtk) rpm wont overwrite current libraries, and some rpm dependent on the library will not install, some will install but won't work properly.
I think I'll keep this machine running 5.2 (argh) and save my newer machine for 6.0
It's because of the QPL, the reason that they didnt put it in 5.2 is lisencing problems. But since TrollTech/Qt is now QPL'd it gives redhat an excuse to put KDE in it.
and ofcourse, sales is important too. (though I do not understand why putting kde when gnome is done and autoinstalled by default)
Nothing more to say. You must admit redhat is quite popular, This one is defenetly a killer.
GNOME, KDE, Linux 2.2.3, glibc 2.1... This is revolution, baby, not just bugfixes (planned for 6.0, heheh)
Hopefully, A nice X installer will do everything for you.
and, a question, what about upgrades from 5.2? I never upgraded a RedHat Linux, and I do have many of the packages listed (but I compiled them myself) Will the upgrade fuck it? should I just copy all my stuff and make a nice clean one?
and another question, I have a PC with unsuppored videocard, will it be possible to use fbcon X without tweaking? I tweaked my PC enough and it just refuses to work properly.
10% is infact FSF, and thats the biggest contribution, isnt it?
Besides, one must judge contribution not just by sourcecode lines, but rather on what it does. the most important part of the os, is infact the linux kernel, but there are many other important parts, such as bash or X or GNOME (for me anyway).
Not only that but there are many important useful GNU utilities that may not be important if you wish to run linux, but are when you want to do things with it, such as gcc, make, tar, gzip, many others.
When I use linux (for home use, anyway) i use mostly GNU software, and i compile them with gnu software, so if I want to judge my linux by usage I'll have to call it GNU/Linux.
The point is, imho, not that linux is a product of GNU, but that it is not ONLY made by Linus, as many people tend to think. These people regard OS as everything they get on their RedHat CD, just like in Windows you get the kernel, window manager, and file exploder.
This is wrong, and I'd prefer the name "many anonymous contributors' UNIX" rather than linux myself, but its just too long.
Also, you may be correct to say that GPLed software is not a part of FSF, but it was inspired by it, and thus FSF deserves some [tiny] credit also for "ideaology".
If Linus named Linux differently I'd agree with you, but the name Linux is confusing, and one may assume that Linus coded every part of it by himself.
Yeah, Most people will be thrilled to have: cgvbe349345gjgdw.net or dfgh87nnfs.com maybe 993245mzt.org will be good. (ofcourse msie will mistake it for an ip)
Thats give me an idea for another way to count Linux users...
1. Survey Linux users if they have registered. 2. Check the counter... 3. Multiply: Surveyed_users / Surveyed_registered_users * Registered_users
btw, this is not really new, I have registered a month ago. (101810) given that I was 101810 I assume this service esited a long time before last month.
This is the best way to work (switchable). If you want privacy, good, dont use it. If you want to use M$/commercial products, you wont have privacy. (unless only the installation requires the ID)
Better yet, These pirates (and there are many of them) will be screwed. (I dont understand why people use windows at all, but I REALLY CANT IMAGINE people paying for it) ---
Slashdot Mirror
After all the new moderators will have their fun and "power",
they will run out of points.
desperate to get ones,
they will post bad comments,
and will be moderated.
when moderated, yet another moderator will run out of points,
being forced to post bad comments.
This way,
moderators will run out of points very quickly.
and alot of bad posts could not get moderated.
(plus the posts the moderators post to get points)
This is very bad,
and i think moderation points should be earned in other ways.
(maybe per month/week basis)
the only good rule about the system is the anti-ego one.
this kills the IRC channels aristocracy and suck-ups to ops.
---
Amazingly enough you have recieved a score of 2.
Do you remove moderation of suck-ups?
Will my score be lowered by this moderator for calling him a suck-up?
only time will tell....
---
Mostly the first threads are answered first.
The first threads root comment is usualy a quick score1 type,
since the good comments usualy are longer and require the time to type.
Thats whay it is common to see good posts as a reply to a lame thread or a question.
---
...to be as rich as Bill Gates.
I know many who will.
People will think "If I read this book I can be a gazillionaire too!"
But as noted before,
this is for a 24 pack of books.
(why would anyone buy that quantity?
do they think this will make them 24 times as rich as bill gates?
maybe multiply their chance to be rich by 24?
maybe build a mountain of books?)
---
People want to use us,
they use Linux and Open Source as a bate.
(eg APSL calling itself free)
these bad ugly commercial companies,
they are using linux to get money.
(dell selling linux for $99 is an example)
and yes, Redhat is one of them.
they do own an important packaging format,
and they do try to make redhat the "standrard" linux.
(in a lecture given by an oracle spokesperson,
a qeustion was asked if the product will be
availible for debian, he didnt knew what was debian)
A standard linux (and there must be one, unfortunatly)
must not be owned by a commercial company,
but must be the effort of many people,
these will choose how the "standard" linux will be.
As the leading project distribution,
I think debian must be it.
I have no idea how to elevate such a thing,
but if most of us do try to make our stuff work on debian, and use dpkgs,
use it ourselves when possible,
recommend it,
maybe contribute to it,
It is possible to have a "not owned system",
(the base of it atleast).
When I use my linux,
it is true that no company made the kernel,
but a company did built it alltogether,
and that's no longer an OS by the people to the people.
The fact the IBM and Dell sell redaht is very frightning to me,
I myself fear that redhat will sometime develop a propriatary standard,
and we will all be doomed.
And sometime I do need to use a redhat system to get good binaries,
or support,
or many other things,
and that shouldnt happend.
they CAN be our next MS, and we wouldnt know it.
(the do have a mini-monopoly of sorts)
(flame on)
---
update, not commit.
---
How come I can checkout MozillaSourceUnix,
but I cant update MozillaSourceUnix?
---
but,
as I've seen from the mozilla.org news,
M3 was in 12/3 (isnt it???) and my build is the latest source (i pulled it yesterday from ftp).
maybe I'm wrong but M3 should work properly and function on all OSes to allow html writers to design NS5 pages,
and surf most sites, and it doesnt, yet.
When i tried slashdot, i got:
Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkbox.c: line 332 (gtk_box_pack_start): assertion `child->parent == NULL' failed.
URL to load in nsBrowserAppCore is slashdot.org
WARNING: cell content 836ADC0 has large width 45886
WARNING: cell content 839DB40 has large height 48775
WARNING: cell content 839DB40 has large height 48775
Aborted
I got a similar message for trying to use the preferences box too.
(gtk is not defective, i have 1.2.0, gimp works fine, and so does gnome,
but yeah, i assume win32 wont have this problem).
on the other hand it does render linuxtoday without a hitch.
btw,
yes the UI sucks, but i dont care about that,
I know that first lets get it working.
---
not really, but the this is a catchy subject.
Besides the "it rules" post,
Can it handle PIII special instructions?
does it have it's own?
Does anyone has pricing and schedualing info?
maybe a chart of L2 cache - MHz speed?
---
I got the 16/3 nightly build.
It's really buggy,
and cannot render slashdot (segfaults)
I wouldnt say it's ready for consumtion.
---
First thing: I do not agree with what he said.
but he has a point.
3 years ago I could say: "Microsoft is helping the internet with MSIE,Outlook,and IIS server".
As much as I like Linux to scceed I like Microsoft to fail.
Dont say "MS Office will bring people", say "Hey, you can also use StarOffice/KOffice/Aplix/Whatever"
Microsoft is not helping anything.
It wouldnt release anything for linux unless they gained something.
And for the small amout of linux users, it's not money, it must be market share.
Even if we cant understand why they do it,
I can almost be sure that it's not good for us.
---
Hmmm....
Regarding save/edit,
I won't use png anyway, just xcf (psd for the Proprietary Software Documents)
And,
can PNG with an alpha layer be smaller than a normal GIF?
It is 33% bigger...
---
Well, about XF86Setup,
it's just not friendly enough,
and I rather edit the X config file myself.
but I do like that stuff work out of the box,
recompiling kernel/editing manualy is not fun.
ezLinux is:
1. beta.
2. CLOSED SOURCE (not the kernel, but you get my point)
3. IS NOT AVAILIBLE FOR FREE DOWNLOAD
4. CANNOT BE FREELY DISTRIBUTED
5. uses kde (i like gnome, do i have a choice - no)
6. a copy of M$ Wind-ooz (registry???)
7. many other bad things.
It's the non-linux.
unfortunatly, since I'm not familiar with any other frienly installers,
I cannot recommend a better linux for my friends.
Thats why I hope redhat will have GUI installer,
and even more, that debian will have one.
I have not updated everything,
but i do like to be cutting edge (I have the new kernel, cvs gnome)
I'm scared that the rpm's will have problems.
I had such problems before (with gtk)
rpm wont overwrite current libraries,
and some rpm dependent on the library will not install,
some will install but won't work properly.
I think I'll keep this machine running 5.2 (argh)
and save my newer machine for 6.0
---
I'm not familiar with PNG,
so this may be a stupid question,
but if the compression is not lossy,
this may result in big files (does it?)
I rather have lousy quality then an hour wait to load...
---
It's because of the QPL,
the reason that they didnt put it in 5.2 is lisencing problems.
But since TrollTech/Qt is now QPL'd it gives redhat an excuse to put KDE in it.
and ofcourse,
sales is important too.
(though I do not understand why putting kde when gnome is done and autoinstalled by default)
---
Nothing more to say.
You must admit redhat is quite popular,
This one is defenetly a killer.
GNOME, KDE, Linux 2.2.3, glibc 2.1...
This is revolution, baby,
not just bugfixes (planned for 6.0, heheh)
Hopefully,
A nice X installer will do everything for you.
and, a question,
what about upgrades from 5.2?
I never upgraded a RedHat Linux,
and I do have many of the packages listed
(but I compiled them myself)
Will the upgrade fuck it?
should I just copy all my stuff and make a nice clean one?
and another question,
I have a PC with unsuppored videocard,
will it be possible to use fbcon X without tweaking? I tweaked my PC enough and it just refuses to work properly.
---
What the fsck is this score thing? ;-)
Is there a way to get a higher score than 1?
What will score give me?
If I post enough comments, what do I win?
Is this just a way to ignore anonymous cowards?
---
10% is infact FSF,
and thats the biggest contribution, isnt it?
Besides, one must judge contribution not just by sourcecode lines,
but rather on what it does.
the most important part of the os, is infact the linux kernel,
but there are many other important parts, such as bash or X or GNOME (for me anyway).
Not only that but there are many important useful GNU utilities that may not be important if
you wish to run linux, but are when you want to do things with it, such as gcc, make, tar, gzip, many others.
When I use linux (for home use, anyway) i use mostly GNU software, and i compile them with gnu software, so if I want to judge my linux by usage I'll have to call it GNU/Linux.
The point is, imho, not that linux is a product of GNU, but that it is not ONLY made by Linus,
as many people tend to think.
These people regard OS as everything they get on their RedHat CD, just like in Windows you get
the kernel, window manager, and file exploder.
This is wrong, and I'd prefer the name "many anonymous contributors' UNIX" rather than linux myself, but its just too long.
Also, you may be correct to say that GPLed software is not a part of FSF,
but it was inspired by it, and thus FSF deserves some [tiny] credit also for "ideaology".
If Linus named Linux differently I'd agree with you,
but the name Linux is confusing,
and one may assume that Linus coded every part of it by himself.
---
Yeah,
Most people will be thrilled to have:
cgvbe349345gjgdw.net
or dfgh87nnfs.com
maybe 993245mzt.org will be good.
(ofcourse msie will mistake it for an ip)
---
I know it is abit offtopic, but...
What fs type is it?
can Linux read it?
can BeOS read ext2?
Please tell me,
Maybe I'll try it....
---
Oooh yeah.
1.3 will rock.
I heard they'll rewrite the entry and text widgets for unicode BiDi,
besides, development versions are the best.
---
There is 1 [one] project which is a pre-1.0 on gnome. It is LibGTop 0.100 which will become 1.0 on monday.
---
Thats give me an idea for another way to count Linux users...
1. Survey Linux users if they have registered.
2. Check the counter...
3. Multiply: Surveyed_users / Surveyed_registered_users * Registered_users
btw,
this is not really new,
I have registered a month ago. (101810)
given that I was 101810 I assume this service esited a long time before last month.
---
This is the best way to work (switchable).
If you want privacy, good, dont use it.
If you want to use M$/commercial products, you wont have privacy.
(unless only the installation requires the ID)
Better yet,
These pirates (and there are many of them) will be screwed.
(I dont understand why people use windows at all, but I REALLY CANT IMAGINE people paying for it)
---
The link is dead...
:-)
why dont you post the stuff when the links actually go live?