I use a similar setup. You can run a Notes server as a IMAP server and I simply use fetchmail to pull some Notes db into an local server. Our spam filter runs like that, the people have a script in their mail template to dump any spams into a central mail file. This is setup as an IMAP mailbox (in Notes) and I use fetchmail to pull the contents of that mailbox and feed it to our postfix/spamassassin mail forwading edge machine. Works very well.
Please tell me about that fetchnotes thingamajig, that might interest me.
I was diggin out an old Notes db recently and discovered a comment I had written at the time:
"I hate Notes. Real serious, blood dripping from the fangs hatred"
Sigh.
Btw, you can search mail databases in Notes, you just have to FTI them and then activate the search abr. That is in the same place in the menu where you activate the Horizontal Scrollbar. God bless them.
To quote the User Interface Hall of Shame Website:
We wish we found IBM's Lotus Notes a long time ago. This single application could have formed the basis for the entire site. The interface is so problematic, one might reasonably conclude that the designers had previously visited this site, and misread "Hall of Shame" as "Hall of Fame"
I cannot say it better. Search for "Lotus Notes Hall Shame" on Google.
Some things in Notes are very good though. The thingy about the checkmarks you make at the sidebar to select documents is very, very good, EXCEPT the bloody things won't select all the documents in a category if you click there. I kow it is not standard (standard would be to shift click the docs) but in this case Notes's way is better than the standard. Except for that one extremely irritating quirk.
Notes's way of dealing with document folders is also something that I think a few other programs can emulate, it definitely has something, IF you can train you users to use it and IF they make the delete button remove someting from a folder instead of deleting it (like iTunes playlists, delete a song in the library and its gone, delete it from a folder and it is removed from the folder only). And what the hell is up with F9 to confirm delete??!!
I have to admit having mixed feelings about Notes and about programmers who think it is heaven on earth too. Notes has the same problem as PHP. Some things are quite easy in it and then the people think everything is easy in it, which leads to a nightmare.
Yeah, I am saddled with a Notes atrocity at work (not for long though, they screw with me one more time...) and it truly, utterly sucks. With Notes the development environment sucks. Truly, totally and beyond belief. You cannot even search your own goddamn codebase for a string. THe API is a very much cobbled-together affair where you get the dintinct idea that they put on some arbitrary API call just to make some hot customer happy. Some things have little logic to them.
The database itself is not that bad, for what it is supposed to be used. But some people implement relational stuff in Notes (yes boss, I am talking to you), and this is deadly, deadly, deadly. Notes is a document based database that stores documents with random fields, and the fields have no structure. For many things this is OK. For things with connections between documents this is not OK.
Notes is a fine document store and OKish to quickly bring up a quick website for use by something. It is also Okish when it comes to dealing with groupware-related stuff. The UI of the mail client sucks bad but the underlying idea of implementing the Mailstore as a document databse definitely has its plus points. It makes some kinds of mail management tasks (member newsletters and tracking of bad mail addresses) quite easy.
On the plus side, it slao does things like remote calling (through Corba and Java) very easy and it has a very good implementation built into the entire system of PKI. Notes also can replicate and communicate through a pice of wire connected the Joytick port. It is very reliable in that way. The replication of data is very good, UNLESS there is a conflict, in which case it sucks, sucks sucks. Please people, can I PLEASE KNOW WHICH GODDAMN FIELD CAUSED THE PROBLEM???
But in the name of all that is holy, I hope they improve the stupid godawful horrifyingly bad development environment. Not that I care, I will be leaving my Notes nightmare rather soon.
Everytime I hear that crap from techno-luddites (and I do, I work in an environimental org) I have two questions
a) Mother nature also made poisonous spiders, Ebola viruses and gamma rays. Why are natural things better again? b) If modern technology and modern medicine is so bad and evil and god knows what else, please explain to me why life expectancy in Humans today is about 30-40% more than 100 years ago. Its about living better for a longer time, or what am I missing?
Mother nature is a bitch. She operates by building 1 million prototypes and killing off every one except the 10 best. Its always been like that, and allways will. And oyu are one of those protypes, whether you like it or not.
That is one sweet things about MacOS/X. Lots of things that do not run on Linux do run there. Photoshop, Illustrator, Office, Macromedia stuff. Its a PITA to get all of that running on WINE.
Comparing Oracle to Lotus Notes is really a bit insulting.
God, building a bigger pile of shit than Lotus Notes will get you an automatic Nobel Prize in Biology. If you burn the stuff you could solve the world's energy problem which will also net you the Peace prize.
Ok, let's play manager and go through that checklist.
a) It is highly non-portable.
Python has ONE (ok, one and a half if you count Jython) implementation, and between the two parts its not portable either. So the argument does not really apply. Draw.
b) non-trivial.
As opposed to Python? Go to you bookshelf, pick a book on SQL and book on Python. Weigh them. Score one for SQL.
c) it is not easy to parse.
SQL is almost certainly easier to parse than Python. Score one for SQL.
d) it is difficult to debug.
Python is easier to debug than SQL? They are both pretty much the same. Draw.
e) it is a lot of work to test.
Lets see. Untyped language means YOU write the checks. Equally bad here. Draw
f) it's tedious.
This is the part where you going into fantasy land. Try writing something like
SELECT * FROM address, transaction, lineitem where lineitem.cost > 200 and address.city = 'New New York'.
That is ONE line of SQL. ONE. In Python it would be a tad more than that.
This is entirely the point. SQL's main power lies in these set-like things. NO OO language is good at that. And to boot, SQL only gives you the datayou need, not the entire object and all its unecessary paraphenalia, which Python (and Java and Ruby) does. Working with sets of things that contains only projections of objects is the main things with relational databases and a major, major problem with OO languages in general. Use each language where it is strongest.
Score one for SQL
g) it's time-consuming
Repeat the previous query and see what is faster. Hint: it's not going to be Python. Score one for SQL.
h) it's an awful mishmash of "human-readable" code with grammars.
As opposed to what? Python? Its a draw. All computer languages are like that. Ok, admittedly brainfuck, assembly language and The lambda calculus are exceptions here, but most languages try to be a balance between machine and human readable. That is the entire friggin point of having languages.
So ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. SQL.
TO get back to the real world, the thing with SQL is the fact that you can work with sets like your tap works with water. That is amazingly powerful. And it allows very much better optimizations than loop-based stuff for load of reasons not worth going into here. Of course Python is a good languaes. But it's not better than SQL, it's different and is used for different things.
First, immunity is not inherited. Curiously, the 1918 virus mostly killed young people, not old. The reason for that was that the older generation went through a similar virus pandemic 30 years before and had much better immunity against the 1918 strain.
Secondly, the Influenza Virus still exists. It mutates quite a lot and reconstructing the virus from 1918 does not really bring much new, we already have quite an idea how it works. The virus has a few variants and they tend to appears cyclically. The new Bird flu is a close variant, and is certainly out there in the wild.
Thirdly, the same bird flu is in circulation now and is probably going to cause a new pandemic in the next few years. It is a pretty damn good idea to study those bad influenza strains NOW.
In short, we are not talking about a virus that does not exist here. We are talking about a very common virus with a slight mutation. And that particular mutation is very dangerous.
Even the United States government would not be dumb enough to try to deploy a laser weapon in a medium that absorbs about 50% of the energy every meter it travels. Did you read too much Flash Gordon when you were a kid or what?
Say it again Sam. You are my hero./. Has become a sort of religious cult, just like Al Qaeda. Osamas' outfit is interested in keeping up with some medieval society because its convenient for the old male power structures in the junglebunnies of Southeastern Asia and use god to justify their cause. And the/.ers are just as bloody fanatic. We hate Microsoft. We want to steal all our stuff and get it for free.
Its our right. God is on our side. No difference.
The hatred and vitriol that is spewed on this place is the same. The motivations too.
Actually, PDF is not much different from Postscript (it add all the paging stuff and its imaging part is a subset of Postscript) but you never hear the fanatic whackos whine about that.
Yes but Mac Os X has it built into the OS which is used when you switch locations and is used by EVERY OTHER APP. Why is another tool for FireFox which does the same thing as whatever is there now supposed to be easy?
The Soviets also had the idea of draining the Caspain like that. They even started experimenting and build a dam with a nuclear explosion. Which is now a problem because the rim is still somewhat radioactive.
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I use a similar setup. You can run a Notes server as a IMAP server and I simply use fetchmail to pull some Notes db into an local server. Our spam filter runs like that, the people have a script in their mail template to dump any spams into a central mail file. This is setup as an IMAP mailbox (in Notes) and I use fetchmail to pull the contents of that mailbox and feed it to our postfix/spamassassin mail forwading edge machine. Works very well.
Please tell me about that fetchnotes thingamajig, that might interest me.
Oh relax, the trick with the screwdriver shorting out the pins of the flash sounds way worse than it is. And it works too.
FTI is the Full Text Index which you have to switch on in Notes.
I was diggin out an old Notes db recently and discovered a comment I had written at the time:
"I hate Notes. Real serious, blood dripping from the fangs hatred"
Sigh.
Btw, you can search mail databases in Notes, you just have to FTI them and then activate the search abr. That is in the same place in the menu where you activate the Horizontal Scrollbar. God bless them.
To quote the User Interface Hall of Shame Website:
We wish we found IBM's Lotus Notes a long time ago. This single application could have formed the basis for the entire site. The interface is so problematic, one might reasonably conclude that the designers had previously visited this site, and misread "Hall of Shame" as "Hall of Fame"
I cannot say it better. Search for "Lotus Notes Hall Shame" on Google.
Some things in Notes are very good though. The thingy about the checkmarks you make at the sidebar to select documents is very, very good, EXCEPT the bloody things won't select all the documents in a category if you click there. I kow it is not standard (standard would be to shift click the docs) but in this case Notes's way is better than the standard. Except for that one extremely irritating quirk.
Notes's way of dealing with document folders is also something that I think a few other programs can emulate, it definitely has something, IF you can train you users to use it and IF they make the delete button remove someting from a folder instead of deleting it (like iTunes playlists, delete a song in the library and its gone, delete it from a folder and it is removed from the folder only). And what the hell is up with F9 to confirm delete??!!
I have to admit having mixed feelings about Notes and about programmers who think it is heaven on earth too. Notes has the same problem as PHP. Some things are quite easy in it and then the people think everything is easy in it, which leads to a nightmare.
Yeah, I am saddled with a Notes atrocity at work (not for long though, they screw with me one more time...) and it truly, utterly sucks. With Notes the development environment sucks. Truly, totally and beyond belief. You cannot even search your own goddamn codebase for a string. THe API is a very much cobbled-together affair where you get the dintinct idea that they put on some arbitrary API call just to make some hot customer happy. Some things have little logic to them.
The database itself is not that bad, for what it is supposed to be used. But some people implement relational stuff in Notes (yes boss, I am talking to you), and this is deadly, deadly, deadly. Notes is a document based database that stores documents with random fields, and the fields have no structure. For many things this is OK. For things with connections between documents this is not OK.
Notes is a fine document store and OKish to quickly bring up a quick website for use by something. It is also Okish when it comes to dealing with groupware-related stuff. The UI of the mail client sucks bad but the underlying idea of implementing the Mailstore as a document databse definitely has its plus points. It makes some kinds of mail management tasks (member newsletters and tracking of bad mail addresses) quite easy.
On the plus side, it slao does things like remote calling (through Corba and Java) very easy and it has a very good implementation built into the entire system of PKI. Notes also can replicate and communicate through a pice of wire connected the Joytick port. It is very reliable in that way. The replication of data is very good, UNLESS there is a conflict, in which case it sucks, sucks sucks. Please people, can I PLEASE KNOW WHICH GODDAMN FIELD CAUSED THE PROBLEM???
But in the name of all that is holy, I hope they improve the stupid godawful horrifyingly bad development environment. Not that I care, I will be leaving my Notes nightmare rather soon.
Sigh. Mother nature is always right. Right.
Everytime I hear that crap from techno-luddites (and I do, I work in an environimental org) I have two questions
a) Mother nature also made poisonous spiders, Ebola viruses and gamma rays. Why are natural things better again?
b) If modern technology and modern medicine is so bad and evil and god knows what else, please explain to me why life expectancy in Humans today is about 30-40% more than 100 years ago. Its about living better for a longer time, or what am I missing?
Mother nature is a bitch. She operates by building 1 million prototypes and killing off every one except the 10 best. Its always been like that, and allways will. And oyu are one of those protypes, whether you like it or not.
I can ensure you he is still going to be pissed when you call him at midnight. That problem just won't go away.
That is one sweet things about MacOS/X. Lots of things that do not run on Linux do run there. Photoshop, Illustrator, Office, Macromedia stuff. Its a PITA to get all of that running on WINE.
Comparing Oracle to Lotus Notes is really a bit insulting.
God, building a bigger pile of shit than Lotus Notes will get you an automatic Nobel Prize in Biology. If you burn the stuff you could solve the world's energy problem which will also net you the Peace prize.
You can filter thigns from a list comprehension, yes. But when you have things like joins between different object lists, fugetaboutit.
Although list comprehensions are nice. Thank Haskell for that.
Ok, let's play manager and go through that checklist.
a) It is highly non-portable.
Python has ONE (ok, one and a half if you count Jython) implementation, and between the two parts its not portable either. So the argument does not really apply. Draw.
b) non-trivial.
As opposed to Python? Go to you bookshelf, pick a book on SQL and book on Python. Weigh them. Score one for SQL.
c) it is not easy to parse.
SQL is almost certainly easier to parse than Python. Score one for SQL.
d) it is difficult to debug.
Python is easier to debug than SQL? They are both pretty much the same. Draw.
e) it is a lot of work to test.
Lets see. Untyped language means YOU write the checks. Equally bad here. Draw
f) it's tedious.
This is the part where you going into fantasy land. Try writing something like
SELECT * FROM address, transaction, lineitem where lineitem.cost > 200 and address.city = 'New New York'.
That is ONE line of SQL. ONE. In Python it would be a tad more than that.
This is entirely the point. SQL's main power lies in these set-like things. NO OO language is good at that. And to boot, SQL only gives you the datayou need, not the entire object and all its unecessary paraphenalia, which Python (and Java and Ruby) does. Working with sets of things that contains only projections of objects is the main things with relational databases and a major, major problem with OO languages in general. Use each language where it is strongest.
Score one for SQL
g) it's time-consuming
Repeat the previous query and see what is faster. Hint: it's not going to be Python. Score one for SQL.
h) it's an awful mishmash of "human-readable" code with grammars.
As opposed to what? Python? Its a draw. All computer languages are like that. Ok, admittedly brainfuck, assembly language and The lambda calculus are exceptions here, but most languages try to be a balance between machine and human readable. That is the entire friggin point of having languages.
So ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. SQL.
TO get back to the real world, the thing with SQL is the fact that you can work with sets like your tap works with water. That is amazingly powerful. And it allows very much better optimizations than loop-based stuff for load of reasons not worth going into here. Of course Python is a good languaes. But it's not better than SQL, it's different and is used for different things.
First, immunity is not inherited. Curiously, the 1918 virus mostly killed young people, not old. The reason for that was that the older generation went through a similar virus pandemic 30 years before and had much better immunity against the 1918 strain.
1 /laurie-garrett/the-next-pandemic.html
2 /michael-t-osterholm/preparing-for-the-next-pandem ic.html
Secondly, the Influenza Virus still exists. It mutates quite a lot and reconstructing the virus from 1918 does not really bring much new, we already have quite an idea how it works. The virus has a few variants and they tend to appears cyclically. The new Bird flu is a close variant, and is certainly out there in the wild.
Thirdly, the same bird flu is in circulation now and is probably going to cause a new pandemic in the next few years. It is a pretty damn good idea to study those bad influenza strains NOW.
Read the following Links:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050701faessay8440
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050701faessay8440
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/2005/4.html
In short, we are not talking about a virus that does not exist here. We are talking about a very common virus with a slight mutation. And that particular mutation is very dangerous.
Even the United States government would not be dumb enough to try to deploy a laser weapon in a medium that absorbs about 50% of the energy every meter it travels. Did you read too much Flash Gordon when you were a kid or what?
And the real sad thing is, if he actually used the $2000 to buy things that actually impress the ladies me might have had a use for it!
Say it again Sam. You are my hero. /. Has become a sort of religious cult, just like Al Qaeda. Osamas' outfit is interested in keeping up with some medieval society because its convenient for the old male power structures in the junglebunnies of Southeastern Asia and use god to justify their cause. And the /.ers are just as bloody fanatic. We hate Microsoft. We want to steal all our stuff and get it for free.
Its our right. God is on our side. No difference.
The hatred and vitriol that is spewed on this place is the same. The motivations too.
Jesus man, I just had breakfast! Was that now really necessary??!!
And since you used an Open Source tool it must be good, yes?
Actually, PDF is not much different from Postscript (it add all the paging stuff and its imaging part is a subset of Postscript) but you never hear the fanatic whackos whine about that.
Yes but Mac Os X has it built into the OS which is used when you switch locations and is used by EVERY OTHER APP. Why is another tool for FireFox which does the same thing as whatever is there now supposed to be easy?
The BLOOD board of directors? Jesus, where do you work??!!
The full quote it that it takes 42 muscles to frown and 22 to smile. On the other hand it takes only 11 muscles to throw a finger.
I will definitely remember the sniper rifle...
Who knows, maybe the Onion is for real and they publish the least 100 popular press releases every day...
The Soviets also had the idea of draining the Caspain like that. They even started experimenting and build a dam with a nuclear explosion. Which is now a problem because the rim is still somewhat radioactive.
Gives another meaning to Butchs' words "Its a chopper, baby"