It's not free, but it is cheaper than the taxis. And seriously, if you're going to whine about $10 in vegas and you are going to the casinos, you're in the wrong town.
!!Rant!! Vegas is about money. If you've been there before you know this to be true. It's also known that if your willing to 'gamble' {gasp!} enough money, you get comp'd for damn near every thing.
The more you are willing to put on the line (or the pass line in my case;) ) the more the casinos are willing to fly your out there and give you free [rooms, meals, drinks, etc]. /!!RANT!!
I've been going to vegas for years, and almost never pay for my room. Of course, I play in their casinos. So do I REALLY pay for my room? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The real moral of this story is this: Never forget - It's all about the money...
Same story in auto racing, they impose the ad on the track's surface. Was kinda surprising at first, since it looked as if it was actually painted on the road. I was wondering how they prevented tire rubber from messing up their ads:)
While I agree with you is some respects, how is C# going to be any different? If you want native speed you are going to have to resort to native APIs. Last I checked, the CLR was standardized, not the APIs (specifically the Win32 API).
I don't believe that C# apps that are geared towards 'cross-platform' implementations are going to buy you much over Java/Swing. If you want speed you are going to have to rely on Win32/GTK, etc...
If someone comes up with native implementations of all platforms that conforms to the.NET api for all languages, then you have something, but until then, all I can see is a massive kludge.
The whole reason I (and many other developers) adopted the Java development strategy was to offer applications with the freedom of platform. This was the fundamental logic behind the initiative, not to preach that interpreted languages were faster, better, etc. Sometimes it's easier said than done, but more often than not, the applications that I have written worked the first time on platforms that hadn't even been tested on before!
You give me an API that beats Java on all platforms, offers the quality and flexibility and performs better, and I'll learn it. But until then C# just looks like a clone of the Java syntax backed by MS with little API support for cross platform development.
I think the Sun vs Microsoft lawsuit pretty much settled the future of Microsoft supporting any newer versions of Java in.NET
I can see this point, however does this preclude someone (say the mono initiative for instance) from including said support? At the latest JavaOne conference, Sun and Apache came to an agreement in principal that all SUN let JCPs could be developed in an OpenSource environment. Could this lead to a possible opensource initiative for.NET Java integration?
Exactly how many languages have been integrated into the.NET platform? under what conditions? (platform, usage, etc)
All a company has to do is produce a.NET-ified version of their compiler that produces MSIL (think byte code for Java VM) and adheres to the CLR class libraries. I'm sure there will be no shortage of bizarre implementations of Cobol.Net, Delphi.Net, Lisp.Net, et al.
This is what causes me to have some concern. If we are to have many 'bizarre implementations' of various languages, where is the common ground for the developer? How do we know that any given legacy application will interoperate with this new platform?
I guess my fundamental scepticism is this:
Why would microsoft develop a platform that guarantees them no competitive advantage in the marketplace? If this new platform is to be truly agnostic towards language and platform, where does this leave them? I mean, there are various platforms (linux, BSD, etc) that can provide the server side horsepower to drive these 'web services'. The client platform (If I'm not mistaken) becomes pretty much irrelevant in this scenario since we're all communicating via the.NET protocol. What's the angle?
Ok, I've read a few comments both for and against the.NET platform. I've read (briefly) the article on ars describing the.NET platform as language and platform agnostic.
My questions are these:
Where is the Java support? If this is truly language agnostic, why is Java not listed in the languages supported by.NET? If it's a question of licensing from SUN , fine, where's the bridge? If I have have 1000 EJBs out there, how do I justify adopting a platform with no integration strategy, J# has been brought up before, but without support for J2SE (or J2EE) what's the point?
What exactly is standardized? The CLR or the APIs? How tied am I to the Win32 API for real development. How is mono addressing these issues?
Exactly how many languages have been integrated into the.NET platform? under what conditions? (platform, usage, etc)
Obviosly I am biased towards the Java platform. This post is not intended to incite a flame war, I'm just looking for honest answers from developers who have experience in this area.
Do I have the source and protocol behind remote desktop? Can I integrate it into my software so that people might be able to really get work done together? Without royalties?
The point is not which one is better, but which one am I free to use based on my customers' needs. This kind of bullshit is exactly the point behind the antitrust suit. Why should one vendor dictate what kind of solution we are legally able to implement on a machine some company purchased with XP installed?
I've had serval jobs, with varying degrees of satisfaction. Sometimes the managers are very competant, sometimes they are clueless. Sometimes they realize that they are just cogs, and that nothing they do really matters. Sometimes they party with you after work.
What I've come to realize is that as long as you have a job in which you can get up in the morning and not DREAD going to work, you've pretty much got it made. If you like what you do, and can live comfortably on what you make, you're probably doing better than 90% of the rest of the world.
Some personal observations:
The larger the company, the greater the potential for lazy, incompetant, content individuals (right or wrong) that are just happy to go home at 5. Smaller companies, in my experience, lend themselves to more dedicated, enthusiastic employees.
Ballmer will also talk about plans to use the company's Windows NT software in the casino slot machines of Bally Gaming & Systems, owned by Alliance Gaming Corp
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Go tell Dr. Doke in Glass Hall (or Dr. Meinert, Dr. Meinhart, Dr. Satzinger, etc.) that all they teach you in CIS at SMSU is VB, I'm sure he will have a few laughs.
Besides if all you are interested in is learning X number of languages while you were in school, why are you there? Go buy a damned book and teach yourself.
You are correct in saying CIS is a Business degree. You will take a lot of business classes (Accounting, Management, etc) which prepares you for business programming. If you want to create new languages, write device drivers, or do non-business programming, Get a CS degree! If you want to design business systems, or do any other programming work in the business environment CIS is the way to go (At least in my experience).
Win2k, which on its debut release demonstrated dramatically higher price/performance and raw performance benchmarks on database serving than Sun has ever been able to achieve
Just as an FYI Solaris is now free (as in beer) for up to 8 processors. All you pay for is the media (6 CDs and Misc docs)
Handspring Visor Deluxe $249 Who needs color for schedule, contact info?
Hell, even minute browsing (gathering some reports of online traffic for a client) don't *NEED* color. /** Welcome to the Internet: Leave your privacy at the door...
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If by niche, you mean enterprise software development, then sure, java is a niche language.
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,69901-0.htm l?tw=wn_tophead_2
:)
Feel free to bash
It's been released for the Atari 2600! ;)
Actually they do,
And it costs $6/ person from LAS to your hotel
It's not free, but it is cheaper than the taxis. And seriously, if you're going to whine about $10 in vegas and you are going to the casinos, you're in the wrong town.
!!Rant!!
Vegas is about money. If you've been there before you know this to be true. It's also known that if your willing to 'gamble' {gasp!} enough money, you get comp'd for damn near every thing.
The more you are willing to put on the line (or the pass line in my case;) ) the more the casinos are willing to fly your out there and give you free [rooms, meals, drinks, etc].
/!!RANT!!
I've been going to vegas for years, and almost never pay for my room. Of course, I play in their casinos. So do I REALLY pay for my room? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The real moral of this story is this: Never forget - It's all about the money...
Same story in auto racing, they impose the ad on the track's surface. Was kinda surprising at first, since it looked as if it was actually painted on the road. I was wondering how they prevented tire rubber from messing up their ads :)
While I agree with you is some respects, how is C# going to be any different? If you want native speed you are going to have to resort to native APIs. Last I checked, the CLR was standardized, not the APIs (specifically the Win32 API).
.NET api for all languages, then you have something, but until then, all I can see is a massive kludge.
I don't believe that C# apps that are geared towards 'cross-platform' implementations are going to buy you much over Java/Swing. If you want speed you are going to have to rely on Win32/GTK, etc...
If someone comes up with native implementations of all platforms that conforms to the
The whole reason I (and many other developers) adopted the Java development strategy was to offer applications with the freedom of platform. This was the fundamental logic behind the initiative, not to preach that interpreted languages were faster, better, etc. Sometimes it's easier said than done, but more often than not, the applications that I have written worked the first time on platforms that hadn't even been tested on before!
You give me an API that beats Java on all platforms, offers the quality and flexibility and performs better, and I'll learn it. But until then C# just looks like a clone of the Java syntax backed by MS with little API support for cross platform development.
First off, thanks for the genuine incite.
.NET
.NET Java integration?
.NET platform? under what conditions? (platform, usage, etc)
All a company has to do is produce a .NET-ified version of their compiler that produces MSIL (think byte code for Java VM) and adheres to the CLR class libraries. I'm sure there will be no shortage of bizarre implementations of Cobol.Net, Delphi.Net, Lisp.Net, et al.
.NET protocol. What's the angle?
I think the Sun vs Microsoft lawsuit pretty much settled the future of Microsoft supporting any newer versions of Java in
I can see this point, however does this preclude someone (say the mono initiative for instance) from including said support? At the latest JavaOne conference, Sun and Apache came to an agreement in principal that all SUN let JCPs could be developed in an OpenSource environment. Could this lead to a possible opensource initiative for
Exactly how many languages have been integrated into the
This is what causes me to have some concern. If we are to have many 'bizarre implementations' of various languages, where is the common ground for the developer? How do we know that any given legacy application will interoperate with this new platform?
I guess my fundamental scepticism is this:
Why would microsoft develop a platform that guarantees them no competitive advantage in the marketplace? If this new platform is to be truly agnostic towards language and platform, where does this leave them? I mean, there are various platforms (linux, BSD, etc) that can provide the server side horsepower to drive these 'web services'. The client platform (If I'm not mistaken) becomes pretty much irrelevant in this scenario since we're all communicating via the
DISCLAIMER: I'm a Java developer.
.NET platform. I've read (briefly) the article on ars describing the .NET platform as language and platform agnostic.
.NET? If it's a question of licensing from SUN , fine, where's the bridge? If I have have 1000 EJBs out there, how do I justify adopting a platform with no integration strategy, J# has been brought up before, but without support for J2SE (or J2EE) what's the point?
.NET platform? under what conditions? (platform, usage, etc)
Ok, I've read a few comments both for and against the
My questions are these:
Where is the Java support? If this is truly language agnostic, why is Java not listed in the languages supported by
What exactly is standardized? The CLR or the APIs? How tied am I to the Win32 API for real development. How is mono addressing these issues?
Exactly how many languages have been integrated into the
Obviosly I am biased towards the Java platform. This post is not intended to incite a flame war, I'm just looking for honest answers from developers who have experience in this area.
Not only compilers, but effectively any software that has the capability to copy bits.
They will all have to include federally mandated routines to ensure that no copyrighted works can be copied.
I honestly don't know how this will be enforceable, or doable for that matter.
There is a good article at wired about the problem here
Do I have the source and protocol behind remote desktop? Can I integrate it into my software so that people might be able to really get work done together? Without royalties?
The point is not which one is better, but which one am I free to use based on my customers' needs. This kind of bullshit is exactly the point behind the antitrust suit. Why should one vendor dictate what kind of solution we are legally able to implement on a machine some company purchased with XP installed?
Just my $.02
I can't speak for all arms of the military, but I work for a DOD contractor and all of our development is done in Java.
FWIW.
...make the best of your own situation.
I've had serval jobs, with varying degrees of satisfaction. Sometimes the managers are very competant, sometimes they are clueless. Sometimes they realize that they are just cogs, and that nothing they do really matters. Sometimes they party with you after work.
What I've come to realize is that as long as you have a job in which you can get up in the morning and not DREAD going to work, you've pretty much got it made. If you like what you do, and can live comfortably on what you make, you're probably doing better than 90% of the rest of the world.
Some personal observations:
The larger the company, the greater the potential for lazy, incompetant, content individuals (right or wrong) that are just happy to go home at 5. Smaller companies, in my experience, lend themselves to more dedicated, enthusiastic employees.
Of course, your mileage might vary.
-J
Worst summary ever.
From the article:
Ballmer will also talk about plans to use the company's Windows NT software in the casino slot machines of Bally Gaming & Systems, owned by Alliance Gaming Corp
Adventure?
Go tell Dr. Doke in Glass Hall (or Dr. Meinert, Dr. Meinhart, Dr. Satzinger, etc.) that all they teach you in CIS at SMSU is VB, I'm sure he will have a few laughs.
Besides if all you are interested in is learning X number of languages while you were in school, why are you there? Go buy a damned book and teach yourself.
You are correct in saying CIS is a Business degree. You will take a lot of business classes (Accounting, Management, etc) which prepares you for business programming. If you want to create new languages, write device drivers, or do non-business programming, Get a CS degree! If you want to design business systems, or do any other programming work in the business environment CIS is the way to go (At least in my experience).
Nope, the intellivision is a completely different console than the colecovision.
Originally released by Mattel in 1980 I think.
Check it out here
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Whenever I wanted to verify that my Southwestern Bell DSL service sucked, I went to dslreports.
They have an area specifically for ISP Reviews
Lighten up,
Obi-wan is dead.
Long live the jedi
You can use WierdX which is a GPL pure Java X window system.
Where did you find a Java Terminal server client, and does it work with the newer terminal services in win 2000? Is it available publicly?
Win2k, which on its debut release demonstrated dramatically higher price/performance and raw performance benchmarks on database serving than Sun has ever been able to achieve
Just as an FYI Solaris is now free (as in beer) for up to 8 processors. All you pay for is the media (6 CDs and Misc docs)
try here.
Handspring Visor Deluxe $249
Who needs color for schedule, contact info?
Hell, even minute browsing (gathering some reports of online traffic for a client) don't *NEED* color.
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Welcome to the Internet: Leave your privacy at the door...
Doesn't this actually happen in the UK?