Part of the beauty of the MeeGo platform is it wouldn't take that much developer attention. Since MeeGo is essentially a Linux desktop, most Linux "apps" that work on a normal desktop and can be compiled for Arm should run. A few UI tweaks should be in order to make them a little more touchscreen friendly, but MeeGo could have a large selection of "apps" quite quickly this way.
Traditionally 1:1 was the top "Drive" gear. In the 40s an additional "Overdrive" was optional on cars. The overdrive was either an additional gear box that sat behind the transmission or was more commonly integrated in to the tailshaft of the transmission. This type of setup allowed for the driver to engage "Overdrive" in any gear (including reverse.) It was called overdrive because the final drive ratio was higher than or "over" the normal drive gear ratio. Eventually the overdrive was integrated in to the transmission and the term evolved to mean any gear over the standard "Drive" ratio of 1:1.
On a totally unrelated note, why is it impossible to buy a new truck with a manual transmission? The only one I've found is the Dodge with the Cummins turbo diesel.
Actually the head gasket/intake gasket/valve problems Chrysler was having was mostly limited to their Mitsubishi-sourced engines--the 3.0L V6 in particular. Chrysler's home-grown V6 engines based on the 3.3 did not have these same problems.
This has been around in the US for quite a while as well. See Eaton Corporation's Hydraulic Launch Assist. This system was installed on the utility trucks in the city I used to live in. It supposedly made quite a difference.
Automotive engineers aren't idiots, generally speaking.
I beg to disagree. It's hard to replace the spark plugs on a modern car without wanting wondering "WHO THE F*CK COMES UP WITH THIS" at least once. The lack of maintainability on modern cars is appalling. Ever look under the hood of a modern car? There's another plastic "hood" covering everything you need to get at in order to do standard maintenance. This plastic hood serves no practical purpose. Another good example is the inaccessible spark plugs on the rear bank of cylinders on GM's 60' V6 line. You literally have to remove 2 motor mounts, start the engine and put it in reverse with the brakes engaged to rotate the engine forward in the engine compartment to get at them. In-tank fuel pumps are another prime example of a stupid idea. Perhaps automotive engineers should work in a shop for a couple of years before becoming an engineer. Hopefully they would learn from their predecessors mistakes.
In fact, there's absolutely nothing magic about 1:1 other than theoretical elegance. Its marketing, no more, no less.
This isn't exactly true. Most truck manufacturers recommend that you do not tow heavy loads with the truck in an overdrive gear. There are several reasons for this. The first is that with the overdrive engaged, letting off of the throttle to slow down may actually disengage the kickdown and cause the transmission to upshift. This is not desirable if you are trying to slow a heavy load. The second reason is most trucks can accelerate better in a lower gear so hill climbing, etc... while towing is easier when the transmission isn't in OD as the transmission won't try to upshift past the 1:1 gear ratio. The third reason is strength. In OD, the gear doing the driving is bigger than the gear being driven. Under load, like while towing, this puts excess stress on the smaller gear and can cause it to wear and/or break.
...tight to shell out a reasonable $80 for a good game.
I've been playing games since I learned to read and I have yet to find a game I would consider $80 a reasonable price (Collector editions, etc... aside.) Half that is more like it for a new release. I'm primarily a PC gamer and I refuse to buy a new game if it is over $50.
You can still side load applications that are not from the Android Market. Apps do not need to be approved by Samsung or T-Mobile or Google before they can be installed.
I don't see how this is anything like Apple's walled garden approach to their software ecosystem.
Obvious troll is Anonymous. Since Plasma is the KDE4 desktop it is difficult to have any sort of discussion comparing the two without bringing it up. Take a look at KDE sometime. It looks nothing like Apple's GUI. Since KDE4 came out before Windows 7 any "theft" of ideas would raise the question of who "stole" what from whom.
Nope. Here is a Windows 7 screenshot that looks like ass compared to this nice looking KDE4 screenshot. This is all a matter of taste. It's like comparing Blondes to Brunettes. You can find beautiful and hideous examples of both but at the end of the day it's all personal taste.
That's because there is no answer, they're just fucking around. Not only are there already lots of free beer/speech tools for Windows, but most of them are better than these hideous KDE apps that look like they were designed to run on Windows 95.
You obviously haven't used the KDE since version 2.x. QT3/KDE3 apps look about on par with Windows XP and QT4/KDE4 apps look better than anything Microsoft or Apple have come up with yet. I'm saying this as a gnome user.
From the "Initiative" link at the top of TFA select "FAQ". Since you couldn't be bothered to look at the site hosting TFA I'll post the relevant part of the FAQ to make it easy for you.
Reasons for KDE on Windows... tell me who except über geeks need KDE on Windows?
We need KDE on Windows for three reasons:
1. Most businesses can't just switch to Linux. I've heard more than enough stories of workers being stuck with Windows as they're of course not allowed or able (because of special apps) to convert their boxes to Linux. KDE might provide them with a comfortable working environment to which they are used.
2. Most businesses won't suddenly switch. Clear step-by-step migration paths (Windows + Office + Explorer -> Windows + OpenOffice + Konqueror -> Linux + OpenOffice + Konqueror) make it easier for the IT deciders to enter this process. (Something along the lines of "If the users do not like Konqueror, they can still use Explorer.") Yes, I know that Konqueror is not a good example, as many Windows users have just learned Firefox and will most probably not look into learning yet another browser.
3. Having FOSS applications available on the Windows platform is crucial for attracting users. Not many people go into the store and buy a SuSE box, but many people get single FOSS apps like OOo or Firefox because they read about it in some magazine, or some friend recommended it to them.
KDE on windows attracts developer
A few years ago (leading up to Akademy 2007 IIRC) we had a huge discussion on the planet about the merits of making KDE applications available on Windows. The core of my argument for doing that then was, and still is, that its really in the interest of KDE to do this because it attracts developers who would otherwise not contribute.
Take Amarok for instance. The core developers spend very little time on making Amarok run on windows (I think the total amount of work I have done on this amounts to one time changing the order of some things in a CMake file as someone reported that it otherwise broke the build on Windows.) So all in all, this is not something that takes much time away from developing Amarok itself. On the other hand, the original implementation of the Last.fm service was written by a developer whose original intention was to make Amarok work better on Windows. Once he had gotten as far as he could at the time, he started, still using Windows, to hack on other stuff that benefits all users of Amarok. He did not use linux at all, and only contributed because it was possible to run and work on Amarok using Windows.
So I really think it is wrong to look at this as a zero sum game as time spent making stuff run on windows is not automatically time taken away from developing the core application. Quite contrary, making the application usable on other platforms will also attract developers who would not otherwise have worked on it. Of course there is a tipping point for this as the applications have to be working well and have a significant user base on Windows before any significant amount of developers shows up, but as my example about Amarok illustrates, people are already taking notice.
And then there is the whole issue about philosophy. To me, Free Software is about just that, freedom. I think it would be against the spirit of that to artificially limit the platforms that our software runs on. that is for all the "other" guys to do, I think we are better than that!:-)
Morty wrote - Not the desktop... The power of KDE are its library and the applications made with it, and those are also interresting for the Windows platform.
And for KDE as a whole, any developers brought in and bugs fixed by the Windows port are a net win for KDE.
majorTomBelgium wrote about amarok, dolphin,...
really, having all the nice kde programs available on windows is v
The problem as I see it is human nature. All of the problems that you mentioned in your first paragraph are the direct result of someone or some group wanting power or money.
I know it's a little cliché, but those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Wouldn't we be better off if everyone knew the effects that the quest for power and money have had on the world? I would much rather learn from someone else's mistakes instead of my own.
Like for example, do I have the space to copy in these 30 GB of files? Well that depends, you only have 10 GB free on / but it's bigger on the inside and there may even be more disks being mounted somewhere under/home again.
The df command will tell you how much space is available on each block device and lists the mount point for the device. If you pass it the "-h" argument it conveniently gives you the sizes in the more human readable MB, GB, etc abbreviations instead of listing the number of 1k blocks.
In my area there are companies offering internet connections via WiMAX and 3GPP LTE. They both suck. Their speeds drop during peak times (because they oversold the bandwidth they have available) they have horribly low caps (10GB/month) and their latency pretty high.
Some of these problems can be alleviated by increasing the bandwidth available to each access point. The problem lies in who that bandwidth is purchased from. It's either the local telco who offers residential DSL service or Charter. I suspect that neither of these companies are going to give the local WISP a good price for this bandwidth. This will drive the prices of WiMAX and 3G connections in to the realm of unreasonable.
Sad to say, I find Windows XP/7 is so far best for handling stuff like that. Even better than OSX.
I tried doing the 30+ windows thing on OSX, using Expose. But it's just slower - more steps to get from one window to another. In contrast, on windows I can just click on the desired task button and that's it, no need for two clicks, or click then pause or other bullshit. Keep in mind, I'm not saying Windows is the best possible, there's still room for improvement. For instance, it'll be nice to be able to "alt-tab" from one browser tab to another browser tab (so much so that sometimes I open new browser windows just to be able to alt-tab between them).
The two clicks or click and pause bullshit is what makes me hate the Windows 7 Superbar. That and the damn icons instead of text. I want to be able to glance at the task bar and choose the terminal/browser/whatever I want with a single click. If I have to use Windows the first thing I do is turn that off. I wish Gnome supported a double height taskbar. The one thing it does well is if you have two monitors you can have a taskbar in each monitor. That taskbar will only show windows open in that monitor.
I know I'm not the parent, but I've been doing this for ages as well.
The CPU and Blu-ray should be pretty straightforward. Most/all laptops use standard optical drives already. Pull the old drive out--usually it's held in with one or 2 screws. It should be marked on the bottom with a picture of a CD next to it. Once the screws are removed it should slide out of the case. If the back of the drive has what appears to be slightly-smaller-than-standard SATA ports you need a SATA drive. Otherwise you need an IDE drive. You can get slimline drives from newegg or just about anywhere. When you get the new drive there's a chance you may have to swap the front bezel but they can normally be swapped pretty easily.
CPU swaps out about the same as a desktop. find out what socket it uses, but a compatible CPU and install it.
GPU is probably not worth the effort if it can be upgraded at all.
and 3. with a big obstruction to the south that blocks satellite signals? In that case, you come closer to the population of geeks.
There are a lot of people who don't want to pay to watch TV for whatever reason. I highly doubt it is because of some sort of physical obstruction. For proof, look at all the slashdot stories regarding the DTC transition in the US.
While I don't think this is a bad idea I doubt that it will ever happen. It's hard enough to get PC games with acceptable controls on the PC these days. I don't think game developers will be willing to take the extra effort to offer some sort of controller mode. The same thing applies to graphics.
Only geeks and businesses have cable Internet without cable TV.
That is true, but there are a lot of people with DSL where cable tv/internet is not available. There are also plenty of people who choose DSL over cable internet for whatever reason. Lots of people only get OTA DTV and still have broadband at home.
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Not to add "oil on the fire" (translated from french : rajouter de l'huile sur le feu, if anyone knows the english equivalent plz I want to know it)
In English it's usually "Add fuel to the fire."
Microsoft... Where do you think your data _didn't_ go _today_?
You are really dating yourself there.
Dammit, I just dated myself by getting the reference.
Part of the beauty of the MeeGo platform is it wouldn't take that much developer attention. Since MeeGo is essentially a Linux desktop, most Linux "apps" that work on a normal desktop and can be compiled for Arm should run. A few UI tweaks should be in order to make them a little more touchscreen friendly, but MeeGo could have a large selection of "apps" quite quickly this way.
Traditionally 1:1 was the top "Drive" gear. In the 40s an additional "Overdrive" was optional on cars. The overdrive was either an additional gear box that sat behind the transmission or was more commonly integrated in to the tailshaft of the transmission. This type of setup allowed for the driver to engage "Overdrive" in any gear (including reverse.) It was called overdrive because the final drive ratio was higher than or "over" the normal drive gear ratio. Eventually the overdrive was integrated in to the transmission and the term evolved to mean any gear over the standard "Drive" ratio of 1:1.
On a totally unrelated note, why is it impossible to buy a new truck with a manual transmission? The only one I've found is the Dodge with the Cummins turbo diesel.
Actually the head gasket/intake gasket/valve problems Chrysler was having was mostly limited to their Mitsubishi-sourced engines--the 3.0L V6 in particular. Chrysler's home-grown V6 engines based on the 3.3 did not have these same problems.
This has been around in the US for quite a while as well. See Eaton Corporation's Hydraulic Launch Assist. This system was installed on the utility trucks in the city I used to live in. It supposedly made quite a difference.
Automotive engineers aren't idiots, generally speaking.
I beg to disagree. It's hard to replace the spark plugs on a modern car without wanting wondering "WHO THE F*CK COMES UP WITH THIS" at least once. The lack of maintainability on modern cars is appalling. Ever look under the hood of a modern car? There's another plastic "hood" covering everything you need to get at in order to do standard maintenance. This plastic hood serves no practical purpose. Another good example is the inaccessible spark plugs on the rear bank of cylinders on GM's 60' V6 line. You literally have to remove 2 motor mounts, start the engine and put it in reverse with the brakes engaged to rotate the engine forward in the engine compartment to get at them. In-tank fuel pumps are another prime example of a stupid idea. Perhaps automotive engineers should work in a shop for a couple of years before becoming an engineer. Hopefully they would learn from their predecessors mistakes.
In fact, there's absolutely nothing magic about 1:1 other than theoretical elegance. Its marketing, no more, no less.
This isn't exactly true. Most truck manufacturers recommend that you do not tow heavy loads with the truck in an overdrive gear. There are several reasons for this. The first is that with the overdrive engaged, letting off of the throttle to slow down may actually disengage the kickdown and cause the transmission to upshift. This is not desirable if you are trying to slow a heavy load. The second reason is most trucks can accelerate better in a lower gear so hill climbing, etc... while towing is easier when the transmission isn't in OD as the transmission won't try to upshift past the 1:1 gear ratio. The third reason is strength. In OD, the gear doing the driving is bigger than the gear being driven. Under load, like while towing, this puts excess stress on the smaller gear and can cause it to wear and/or break.
...tight to shell out a reasonable $80 for a good game.
I've been playing games since I learned to read and I have yet to find a game I would consider $80 a reasonable price (Collector editions, etc... aside.) Half that is more like it for a new release. I'm primarily a PC gamer and I refuse to buy a new game if it is over $50.
You can still side load applications that are not from the Android Market. Apps do not need to be approved by Samsung or T-Mobile or Google before they can be installed.
I don't see how this is anything like Apple's walled garden approach to their software ecosystem.
Obvious troll is Anonymous. Since Plasma is the KDE4 desktop it is difficult to have any sort of discussion comparing the two without bringing it up. Take a look at KDE sometime. It looks nothing like Apple's GUI. Since KDE4 came out before Windows 7 any "theft" of ideas would raise the question of who "stole" what from whom.
Nope. Here is a Windows 7 screenshot that looks like ass compared to this nice looking KDE4 screenshot. This is all a matter of taste. It's like comparing Blondes to Brunettes. You can find beautiful and hideous examples of both but at the end of the day it's all personal taste.
That's because there is no answer, they're just fucking around. Not only are there already lots of free beer/speech tools for Windows, but most of them are better than these hideous KDE apps that look like they were designed to run on Windows 95.
You obviously haven't used the KDE since version 2.x. QT3/KDE3 apps look about on par with Windows XP and QT4/KDE4 apps look better than anything Microsoft or Apple have come up with yet. I'm saying this as a gnome user.
From the "Initiative" link at the top of TFA select "FAQ".
Since you couldn't be bothered to look at the site hosting TFA I'll post the relevant part of the FAQ to make it easy for you.
Reasons for KDE on Windows ... tell me who except über geeks need KDE on Windows?
We need KDE on Windows for three reasons:
1. Most businesses can't just switch to Linux. I've heard more than enough stories of workers being stuck with Windows as they're of course not allowed or able (because of special apps) to convert their boxes to Linux. KDE might provide them with a comfortable working environment to which they are used.
2. Most businesses won't suddenly switch. Clear step-by-step migration paths (Windows + Office + Explorer -> Windows + OpenOffice + Konqueror -> Linux + OpenOffice + Konqueror) make it easier for the IT deciders to enter this process. (Something along the lines of "If the users do not like Konqueror, they can still use Explorer.") Yes, I know that Konqueror is not a good example, as many Windows users have just learned Firefox and will most probably not look into learning yet another browser.
3. Having FOSS applications available on the Windows platform is crucial for attracting users. Not many people go into the store and buy a SuSE box, but many people get single FOSS apps like OOo or Firefox because they read about it in some magazine, or some friend recommended it to them.
KDE on windows attracts developer
A few years ago (leading up to Akademy 2007 IIRC) we had a huge discussion on the planet about the merits of making KDE applications available on Windows. The core of my argument for doing that then was, and still is, that its really in the interest of KDE to do this because it attracts developers who would otherwise not contribute.
Take Amarok for instance. The core developers spend very little time on making Amarok run on windows (I think the total amount of work I have done on this amounts to one time changing the order of some things in a CMake file as someone reported that it otherwise broke the build on Windows.) So all in all, this is not something that takes much time away from developing Amarok itself. On the other hand, the original implementation of the Last.fm service was written by a developer whose original intention was to make Amarok work better on Windows. Once he had gotten as far as he could at the time, he started, still using Windows, to hack on other stuff that benefits all users of Amarok. He did not use linux at all, and only contributed because it was possible to run and work on Amarok using Windows.
So I really think it is wrong to look at this as a zero sum game as time spent making stuff run on windows is not automatically time taken away from developing the core application. Quite contrary, making the application usable on other platforms will also attract developers who would not otherwise have worked on it. Of course there is a tipping point for this as the applications have to be working well and have a significant user base on Windows before any significant amount of developers shows up, but as my example about Amarok illustrates, people are already taking notice.
And then there is the whole issue about philosophy. To me, Free Software is about just that, freedom. I think it would be against the spirit of that to artificially limit the platforms that our software runs on. that is for all the "other" guys to do, I think we are better than that! :-)
Morty wrote - Not the desktop ... The power of KDE are its library and the applications made with it, and those are also interresting for the Windows platform.
And for KDE as a whole, any developers brought in and bugs fixed by the Windows port are a net win for KDE.
majorTomBelgium wrote about amarok, dolphin, ...
really, having all the nice kde programs available on windows is v
The problem as I see it is human nature. All of the problems that you mentioned in your first paragraph are the direct result of someone or some group wanting power or money.
I know it's a little cliché, but those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Wouldn't we be better off if everyone knew the effects that the quest for power and money have had on the world? I would much rather learn from someone else's mistakes instead of my own.
Like for example, do I have the space to copy in these 30 GB of files? Well that depends, you only have 10 GB free on / but it's bigger on the inside and there may even be more disks being mounted somewhere under /home again.
The df command will tell you how much space is available on each block device and lists the mount point for the device. If you pass it the "-h" argument it conveniently gives you the sizes in the more human readable MB, GB, etc abbreviations instead of listing the number of 1k blocks.
Maybe my mind fixed it for me but I swear it actually said SunOS.
In my area there are companies offering internet connections via WiMAX and 3GPP LTE. They both suck. Their speeds drop during peak times (because they oversold the bandwidth they have available) they have horribly low caps (10GB/month) and their latency pretty high.
Some of these problems can be alleviated by increasing the bandwidth available to each access point. The problem lies in who that bandwidth is purchased from. It's either the local telco who offers residential DSL service or Charter. I suspect that neither of these companies are going to give the local WISP a good price for this bandwidth. This will drive the prices of WiMAX and 3G connections in to the realm of unreasonable.
Sad to say, I find Windows XP/7 is so far best for handling stuff like that. Even better than OSX. I tried doing the 30+ windows thing on OSX, using Expose. But it's just slower - more steps to get from one window to another. In contrast, on windows I can just click on the desired task button and that's it, no need for two clicks, or click then pause or other bullshit. Keep in mind, I'm not saying Windows is the best possible, there's still room for improvement. For instance, it'll be nice to be able to "alt-tab" from one browser tab to another browser tab (so much so that sometimes I open new browser windows just to be able to alt-tab between them).
The two clicks or click and pause bullshit is what makes me hate the Windows 7 Superbar. That and the damn icons instead of text. I want to be able to glance at the task bar and choose the terminal/browser/whatever I want with a single click. If I have to use Windows the first thing I do is turn that off. I wish Gnome supported a double height taskbar. The one thing it does well is if you have two monitors you can have a taskbar in each monitor. That taskbar will only show windows open in that monitor.
I know I'm not the parent, but I've been doing this for ages as well.
The CPU and Blu-ray should be pretty straightforward. Most/all laptops use standard optical drives already. Pull the old drive out--usually it's held in with one or 2 screws. It should be marked on the bottom with a picture of a CD next to it. Once the screws are removed it should slide out of the case. If the back of the drive has what appears to be slightly-smaller-than-standard SATA ports you need a SATA drive. Otherwise you need an IDE drive. You can get slimline drives from newegg or just about anywhere. When you get the new drive there's a chance you may have to swap the front bezel but they can normally be swapped pretty easily.
CPU swaps out about the same as a desktop. find out what socket it uses, but a compatible CPU and install it.
GPU is probably not worth the effort if it can be upgraded at all.
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Sadly, I'm sure the penalty for murder would be less than the penalty for file sharing.
and 3. with a big obstruction to the south that blocks satellite signals? In that case, you come closer to the population of geeks.
There are a lot of people who don't want to pay to watch TV for whatever reason. I highly doubt it is because of some sort of physical obstruction. For proof, look at all the slashdot stories regarding the DTC transition in the US.
While I don't think this is a bad idea I doubt that it will ever happen. It's hard enough to get PC games with acceptable controls on the PC these days. I don't think game developers will be willing to take the extra effort to offer some sort of controller mode. The same thing applies to graphics.
Only geeks and businesses have cable Internet without cable TV.
That is true, but there are a lot of people with DSL where cable tv/internet is not available. There are also plenty of people who choose DSL over cable internet for whatever reason. Lots of people only get OTA DTV and still have broadband at home.