Autopilots in aircraft are closer to cruise control than any level of self-driving in a car.
There was a mythbuster's on self landing aircraft that would dispute your findings. Maybe you should watch it.
Autopilot in aircraft is literally nothing more than setting the airspeed and programming in navpoints, so it basically is cruise control that knows what headings to take.. Autoland is a little more complicated though.
Since when is going to Caribbean countries "crap"? It seems like a fun (and relatively inexpensive, depending on country) trip.
Caribbean turns don't usually overnight. You fly down there, have a 30-45 minute layover, and fly back. Those rotations also usually have 2-4 legs a day, so a lot of short hops. You see the airport but that's it. Like the parent said it's good practice, but multiple takeoffs and landings in a day is a lot more taxing than doing a transoceanic hop with an augmented crew where you spend a good 1/3 of the flight in the crew rest area napping or watching movies.
Would it be that hard to just require that all pilots must fly one entire flight a week in full manual mode, just to keep their skills up?
Commercial pilots are required by the FAA to log 3 take offs and landing in a 90 day period. Some of them still barely fly once in 3 months. Good luck trying to get them to fly once a week.
Do you guys know who the director of the Federal Aviation Authority is right now? Nobody does, because Trump has never gotten around to appointing one. To be fair, he's been very busy with the golf co-championship and everything, and it probably just slipped his mind.
Nothing matters any more.
He was going to try and nominate his own personal pilot to be the FAA head. But they have one in the pipeline now, I believe they are just waiting for the formal nomination.
Singer helped parents take staged photographs of their children engaged in particular sports...sometimes Photoshopping the face of the child onto the picture of the athlete" and submitting it to desirable schools.
I can't believe parents were actually this stupid. If you're playing sports at the collegiate level, it's because you're actually fucking good at it. The world knows this.
Exactly how long did stupid celebrities think they were going to get away with pimping their fake elite athletes?
I wish this would have all blown up on a playing field somewhere. Would have made for great social media watching some spoiled little shit get called out and shown the door for going along with their parents idiotic ideas.
The coaches were in on it. The kids weren't actually getting recruited by the team, but the coach said the were to get them preferential admission.
Similarly, the salesperson here probably said something like, "I can get your kid into X University for Y grand. But I can't reveal our proprietary methods."
One person paid $6.5 million. They had to known it was a shady deal. $6.5 million would pay for a team of full time tutors to follow the student around all day for 4 years.
At least this has the benefit of providing others a place to learn. I have no problem giving some asshat kid a free admission if he is allowing 500 other people to get an education on his dime at the same time.
The money isn't going to the schools. The parents are paying some middleman who is either paying SAT/ACT proctors to help cheat on exams, hire people to take the exams for them, or paying college coaches to designate the children as "recruits" who then get easier entry requirements or priority admission.
What ever happened to getting your kid into college the good old fashioned way? Donating enough money to get a building named after you and guaranteed admission to any descendants.
How do you pay your rent/mortgage/ISP/insurance/IRS? You're toast.
You don't need a facebook account to pay your taxes. If you're paying taxes to someone over facebook you're probably being scammed.:p
You mean that offer to pay for my taxes over Facebook using iTunes gift cards was a scam? It was recommended to me by my very trustworthy friend who happens to be Nigerian royalty.
If the reports of Russian meddling I've seen are accurate, the scale of it was so small (tens of thousands of dollars of ads in an election where Trump and Clinton spent over $1.8 billion, or nearly $14 per vote) that random people in other countries posting their opinion about the U.S. election on public forums, Facebook, etc. probably had a greater cumulative influence. The media keeps hyping the Russia angle because they feel they need to discredit the 2016 election. I mean if the media were right and a few dozen Russians spending on the order of six figures really swung the election, then every politician would be tripping over themselves to hire these guys to help them run their future ad campaigns.
You're focusing on paid advertisements, which is a fraction of the alleged interference. There were also the numerous fake accounts posting both pro and anti-BLM stuff, pushing memes, posting false or partisan articles, and the networks of bots and other fake accounts used to to amplify the visibility of those posts. This is all done without spending a cent on advertising. They probably spent a lot more on wages, developing bots, etc, but those would be hidden (to us) costs. The whole point was to drive up divisiveness and partisanship. And on that point it seems to have worked.
Perhaps, but to continue with the metaphor, the cars that are only doing 60 might be easier to catch.
Maybe so, but to continue the analogy further, to spend billions of dollars "solving" the lesser problem is like the police spending millions of dollars on radar guns that don't read past 65.
Air crash witnesses often state that they saw smoke, flames or heard strange noises where it later turns out that there was no evidence for it. The reason for this is unknown, but investigators know to take such testimony with a big pinch of salt.
I think people are just trained to expect smoke or fire when a plane is in an uncontrolled descent, just like they assume they all sound like a Stuka diving with it's air siren blaring.
Regardless how good or bad this particular model may be, one has to remember that neither of the companies involved in the recent crashes is a paradigm to follow when it comes to aircraft maintenance.
Ethiopian's MRO is FAA and EASA certified for B757, B767, B777; FAA only for 737, 787, Q400 and MD11, and EASA only for 73NG, and is Boeing and Bombardier accredited. It is also Africa's largest airline. It has a good reputation.
The latter is the bigger problem and in critical need of being addressed by the federal government.
All data indicates that the vast majority of those in the US illegally entered through "authorized ports of entry". Building a wall is like pulling over the car going 60 in a 55 zone while ignoring the car going 100.
Regardless of whether this is pilot error or not, if pilots consistently mess it up, then it's a problem with the system or the training.
It's not all that different from claiming it's driver error when a car's brakes fail. Technically the drivers can switch to the handbrake and come to a safe stop. However, in practice a large number of people would crash.
And if we had a situation where suddenly many more cars of a particular model were running red lights and hitting the backs of other cars, it might be a good idea to stop using it until the cause has been determined.
To apply your analogy to the Lion Air crash, it's as if the car manufacturer didn't tell people there were breaks at all. You can't train pilots on a system no one was aware existed.
Even if the ET302 flight is boiled down to "pilot error" (like the Lion Air flight), that is just an excuse. If the ET302 had the same failure mode as the Lion Air flight, then the fact that you have two separate incidents with a loss of control (shortly after takeoff, meaning less room for root cause analysis, checklists, etc) is a design flaw. Full stop. Whether or not a pilot could recover is not relevant; an airframe should not be constantly testing pilots with unexpected loss of control.
It is still "safe" to fly a 737 MAX 8 relative to most other daily activities. You probably won't die if you fly on one. That said, relative to aviation standards and safety records that we have achieved in the past 50 years, the 737 MAX 8 - today, at least - appears like a veritable statistical death trap.
It's not even really fair to call the Lion Air crash pilot error when the main culprit was an unpublished "safety feature". Sure, the crew didn't go through the checklist that would have disengaged it like the crew the previous night, but as you say takeoff is a bad time for troubleshooting. Of course, with crashes where everyone dies they almost always make pilot error at least a contributing factor if not the primary one. Gotta protect those aircraft makers from liability.
when last I checked, a "lack of information" is a great reason to avoid something dangerous. Actually, it might be the one and only and best reason to avoid anything dangerous -- from bicycles to bungee jumping. Get informed first. And if you thought you were informed, and suddenly you discover that you aren't informed because you can't explain something that happened, well then, avoid again until you become informed again.
In other words, let someone else run the tests. That's exactly what test-pilots are for.
That's my thought as well. 2 high profile crashes of a new airframe within a few months, one of which was directly caused by an undocumented and therefore untrained for "safety feature" and the other with no immediately identifiable external (ie not integral to the aircraft itself) causes (bad weather, explosion, etc), the immediate reaction would be to suspend flights with aircraft of that type. There are at most about 50 737 MAX 8s in operation with US carriers (I could only find total MAXs delivered, it wasn't broken down by 7/8/9/etc so that number is probably smaller) out of roughly 4000 total narrowbody aircraft in commercial use in the US. Until they have time to analyze the data from the CVR and FDR, the prudent move is to ground the aircraft. If I were a pilot with a 737 rating, I would refuse to fly a MAX 8 until it's airworthiness was confirmed.
Maybe Salon doesn't know this but it been like FOREVER that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all in bed with the democrats. Clinton or Obama says something and the media forwards it on as truth but if Bush or Trumps says something they are suddenly obligated to "fact check" and doubt everything the say and filter it to the people with "the Republican is claiming that allegedly water is wet and the sky is blue but we have some political pundits here who disagree with those outrageous claims".
If the Republican's want people to stop accusing them of lying and fact checking everything they could, you know, try to stop lying.
Simply because a website sources some of their news from large national sources does not make it fake news. Local news companies source stories from Reuters and the Associated Press all the time. Why do you think you can find the exact same article in a range of news outlets?
Presuming news to be fake simply because it comes from a different political perspective is hubris at best.
I'm sure a local news service founded by a man with the following description (taken directly from his publisher's website):
Michael Patrick Leahy is an innovative leader in both the tactics and strategy of grassroots conservative new-media activism. As cofounder of Top Conservatives on Twitter, Leahy helped to form the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition....He lives in Tennessee
will be a bastion of fair, accurate and unbiased reporting. And, while I can see him being concerned about local news in TN since he lives there, it is hard to see what ties he may have to Missouri, New England, the Dakotas, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin, as mentioned in the summary. Unless he is just really concerned about local news.
She was pardoned by Obama. This is Trump/Republicans trying to go barround it. Most likely denied questioning to protect herself.
Her sentence was commuted. Obama specifically said he wasn't pardening her, he felt that her sentence was out of proportion to what others had received. He didn't even commute the whole sentence.
Look at this piece of meat
I can eat it if I take a seat
Maybe feel like I've been fed
Only if I also eat the bread
Every memory of waiting in the order line
While the person there in front of me just wastes more time
It's hard to say it, time to say it
Goodbye, goodbye
I am not ashamed to say I knew immediately what tune that went to even before I got to the last 2 lines. Of course, all their songs pretty much sounds the same, so....
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Autopilots in aircraft are closer to cruise control than any level of self-driving in a car.
There was a mythbuster's on self landing aircraft that would dispute your findings. Maybe you should watch it.
Autopilot in aircraft is literally nothing more than setting the airspeed and programming in navpoints, so it basically is cruise control that knows what headings to take.. Autoland is a little more complicated though.
I wear a necklace, cause I wanna know when I'm upside down. - Mitch Hedberg
You would think his long hair would work for that too. I do always keep a potato in the oven though.
Since when is going to Caribbean countries "crap"? It seems like a fun (and relatively inexpensive, depending on country) trip.
Caribbean turns don't usually overnight. You fly down there, have a 30-45 minute layover, and fly back. Those rotations also usually have 2-4 legs a day, so a lot of short hops. You see the airport but that's it. Like the parent said it's good practice, but multiple takeoffs and landings in a day is a lot more taxing than doing a transoceanic hop with an augmented crew where you spend a good 1/3 of the flight in the crew rest area napping or watching movies.
Would it be that hard to just require that all pilots must fly one entire flight a week in full manual mode, just to keep their skills up?
Commercial pilots are required by the FAA to log 3 take offs and landing in a 90 day period. Some of them still barely fly once in 3 months. Good luck trying to get them to fly once a week.
Do you guys know who the director of the Federal Aviation Authority is right now? Nobody does, because Trump has never gotten around to appointing one. To be fair, he's been very busy with the golf co-championship and everything, and it probably just slipped his mind.
Nothing matters any more.
He was going to try and nominate his own personal pilot to be the FAA head. But they have one in the pipeline now, I believe they are just waiting for the formal nomination.
So my computer doubles as a grill? Time for a grilled cheese sandwich!
Those slits on the bottom aren't for air flow, they're for grill lines.
Singer helped parents take staged photographs of their children engaged in particular sports...sometimes Photoshopping the face of the child onto the picture of the athlete" and submitting it to desirable schools.
I can't believe parents were actually this stupid. If you're playing sports at the collegiate level, it's because you're actually fucking good at it. The world knows this.
Exactly how long did stupid celebrities think they were going to get away with pimping their fake elite athletes?
I wish this would have all blown up on a playing field somewhere. Would have made for great social media watching some spoiled little shit get called out and shown the door for going along with their parents idiotic ideas.
The coaches were in on it. The kids weren't actually getting recruited by the team, but the coach said the were to get them preferential admission.
Similarly, the salesperson here probably said something like, "I can get your kid into X University for Y grand. But I can't reveal our proprietary methods."
One person paid $6.5 million. They had to known it was a shady deal. $6.5 million would pay for a team of full time tutors to follow the student around all day for 4 years.
At least this has the benefit of providing others a place to learn. I have no problem giving some asshat kid a free admission if he is allowing 500 other people to get an education on his dime at the same time.
The money isn't going to the schools. The parents are paying some middleman who is either paying SAT/ACT proctors to help cheat on exams, hire people to take the exams for them, or paying college coaches to designate the children as "recruits" who then get easier entry requirements or priority admission.
What ever happened to getting your kid into college the good old fashioned way? Donating enough money to get a building named after you and guaranteed admission to any descendants.
Do you speak Mandarin, Russian, or Arabic?
It is critically important to speak your Masters native language if you want to survive as a thrall.
Arabic isn't too hard to speak, it can be easy to write, but it's a bitch to read.
How do you pay your rent/mortgage/ISP/insurance/IRS? You're toast.
You don't need a facebook account to pay your taxes. If you're paying taxes to someone over facebook you're probably being scammed. :p
You mean that offer to pay for my taxes over Facebook using iTunes gift cards was a scam? It was recommended to me by my very trustworthy friend who happens to be Nigerian royalty.
Regardless of the number of sensors on the plane, the number one / primary instrument should be what is seen out the front window.
Remember a year or 2 back when Airbus was talking about using digital windscreens in the cockpit?
If the reports of Russian meddling I've seen are accurate, the scale of it was so small (tens of thousands of dollars of ads in an election where Trump and Clinton spent over $1.8 billion, or nearly $14 per vote) that random people in other countries posting their opinion about the U.S. election on public forums, Facebook, etc. probably had a greater cumulative influence. The media keeps hyping the Russia angle because they feel they need to discredit the 2016 election. I mean if the media were right and a few dozen Russians spending on the order of six figures really swung the election, then every politician would be tripping over themselves to hire these guys to help them run their future ad campaigns.
You're focusing on paid advertisements, which is a fraction of the alleged interference. There were also the numerous fake accounts posting both pro and anti-BLM stuff, pushing memes, posting false or partisan articles, and the networks of bots and other fake accounts used to to amplify the visibility of those posts. This is all done without spending a cent on advertising. They probably spent a lot more on wages, developing bots, etc, but those would be hidden (to us) costs. The whole point was to drive up divisiveness and partisanship. And on that point it seems to have worked.
Perhaps, but to continue with the metaphor, the cars that are only doing 60 might be easier to catch.
Maybe so, but to continue the analogy further, to spend billions of dollars "solving" the lesser problem is like the police spending millions of dollars on radar guns that don't read past 65.
Air crash witnesses often state that they saw smoke, flames or heard strange noises where it later turns out that there was no evidence for it. The reason for this is unknown, but investigators know to take such testimony with a big pinch of salt.
I think people are just trained to expect smoke or fire when a plane is in an uncontrolled descent, just like they assume they all sound like a Stuka diving with it's air siren blaring.
Regardless how good or bad this particular model may be, one has to remember that neither of the companies involved in the recent crashes is a paradigm to follow when it comes to aircraft maintenance.
Ethiopian's MRO is FAA and EASA certified for B757, B767, B777; FAA only for 737, 787, Q400 and MD11, and EASA only for 73NG, and is Boeing and Bombardier accredited. It is also Africa's largest airline. It has a good reputation.
The latter is the bigger problem and in critical need of being addressed by the federal government.
All data indicates that the vast majority of those in the US illegally entered through "authorized ports of entry". Building a wall is like pulling over the car going 60 in a 55 zone while ignoring the car going 100.
Regardless of whether this is pilot error or not, if pilots consistently mess it up, then it's a problem with the system or the training.
It's not all that different from claiming it's driver error when a car's brakes fail. Technically the drivers can switch to the handbrake and come to a safe stop. However, in practice a large number of people would crash.
And if we had a situation where suddenly many more cars of a particular model were running red lights and hitting the backs of other cars, it might be a good idea to stop using it until the cause has been determined.
To apply your analogy to the Lion Air crash, it's as if the car manufacturer didn't tell people there were breaks at all. You can't train pilots on a system no one was aware existed.
Even if the ET302 flight is boiled down to "pilot error" (like the Lion Air flight), that is just an excuse. If the ET302 had the same failure mode as the Lion Air flight, then the fact that you have two separate incidents with a loss of control (shortly after takeoff, meaning less room for root cause analysis, checklists, etc) is a design flaw. Full stop. Whether or not a pilot could recover is not relevant; an airframe should not be constantly testing pilots with unexpected loss of control.
It is still "safe" to fly a 737 MAX 8 relative to most other daily activities. You probably won't die if you fly on one. That said, relative to aviation standards and safety records that we have achieved in the past 50 years, the 737 MAX 8 - today, at least - appears like a veritable statistical death trap.
It's not even really fair to call the Lion Air crash pilot error when the main culprit was an unpublished "safety feature". Sure, the crew didn't go through the checklist that would have disengaged it like the crew the previous night, but as you say takeoff is a bad time for troubleshooting. Of course, with crashes where everyone dies they almost always make pilot error at least a contributing factor if not the primary one. Gotta protect those aircraft makers from liability.
when last I checked, a "lack of information" is a great reason to avoid something dangerous. Actually, it might be the one and only and best reason to avoid anything dangerous -- from bicycles to bungee jumping. Get informed first. And if you thought you were informed, and suddenly you discover that you aren't informed because you can't explain something that happened, well then, avoid again until you become informed again.
In other words, let someone else run the tests. That's exactly what test-pilots are for.
That's my thought as well. 2 high profile crashes of a new airframe within a few months, one of which was directly caused by an undocumented and therefore untrained for "safety feature" and the other with no immediately identifiable external (ie not integral to the aircraft itself) causes (bad weather, explosion, etc), the immediate reaction would be to suspend flights with aircraft of that type. There are at most about 50 737 MAX 8s in operation with US carriers (I could only find total MAXs delivered, it wasn't broken down by 7/8/9/etc so that number is probably smaller) out of roughly 4000 total narrowbody aircraft in commercial use in the US. Until they have time to analyze the data from the CVR and FDR, the prudent move is to ground the aircraft. If I were a pilot with a 737 rating, I would refuse to fly a MAX 8 until it's airworthiness was confirmed.
Maybe Salon doesn't know this but it been like FOREVER that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all in bed with the democrats. Clinton or Obama says something and the media forwards it on as truth but if Bush or Trumps says something they are suddenly obligated to "fact check" and doubt everything the say and filter it to the people with "the Republican is claiming that allegedly water is wet and the sky is blue but we have some political pundits here who disagree with those outrageous claims".
If the Republican's want people to stop accusing them of lying and fact checking everything they could, you know, try to stop lying.
Simply because a website sources some of their news from large national sources does not make it fake news. Local news companies source stories from Reuters and the Associated Press all the time. Why do you think you can find the exact same article in a range of news outlets?
Presuming news to be fake simply because it comes from a different political perspective is hubris at best.
I'm sure a local news service founded by a man with the following description (taken directly from his publisher's website):
Michael Patrick Leahy is an innovative leader in both the tactics and strategy of grassroots conservative new-media activism. As cofounder of Top Conservatives on Twitter, Leahy helped to form the Nationwide Tea Party Coalition....He lives in Tennessee
will be a bastion of fair, accurate and unbiased reporting. And, while I can see him being concerned about local news in TN since he lives there, it is hard to see what ties he may have to Missouri, New England, the Dakotas, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin, as mentioned in the summary. Unless he is just really concerned about local news.
She was pardoned by Obama. This is Trump/Republicans trying to go barround it. Most likely denied questioning to protect herself.
Her sentence was commuted. Obama specifically said he wasn't pardening her, he felt that her sentence was out of proportion to what others had received. He didn't even commute the whole sentence.
Look at this piece of meat I can eat it if I take a seat Maybe feel like I've been fed Only if I also eat the bread Every memory of waiting in the order line While the person there in front of me just wastes more time It's hard to say it, time to say it Goodbye, goodbye
I am not ashamed to say I knew immediately what tune that went to even before I got to the last 2 lines. Of course, all their songs pretty much sounds the same, so....