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Actresses, Business Leaders, and Other Wealthy Parents Charged in Massive College Admissions Scandal (npr.org)
Federal prosecutors charged dozens of people on Tuesday in a major college admission scandal that involved wealthy parents, including Hollywood celebrities and prominent business leaders, paying bribes to get their children into elite American universities. From a report: Federal officials have charged dozens of well-heeled parents, including actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin, in what the Justice Department says was a multimillion-dollar scheme to cheat college admissions standards. The parents allegedly paid a consultant who then fabricated academic and athletic credentials and arranged bribes to help get their children into prestigious universities. "We're talking about deception and fraud -- fake test scores, fake credentials, fake photographs, bribed college officials," said Andrew Lelling, the U.S. attorney for the District of Massachusetts.
Lelling said 33 parents "paid enormous sums" to ensure their children got into schools such as Stanford and Yale, sending money to entities controlled by a man named William Rick Singer in return for falsifying records and obtaining false scores on important tests such as the SAT and ACT. Describing how Singer worked to present his clients' children as elite athletes, Lelling said, "In many instances, Singer helped parents take staged photographs of their children engaged in particular sports. Other times, Singer and his associates used stock photos that they pulled off the Internet -- sometimes Photoshopping the face of the child onto the picture of the athlete" and submitting it to desirable schools.
Lelling said 33 parents "paid enormous sums" to ensure their children got into schools such as Stanford and Yale, sending money to entities controlled by a man named William Rick Singer in return for falsifying records and obtaining false scores on important tests such as the SAT and ACT. Describing how Singer worked to present his clients' children as elite athletes, Lelling said, "In many instances, Singer helped parents take staged photographs of their children engaged in particular sports. Other times, Singer and his associates used stock photos that they pulled off the Internet -- sometimes Photoshopping the face of the child onto the picture of the athlete" and submitting it to desirable schools.
What's the news thing here? I thought it was well known that connected people got their children in to "elite" educational institutions by donating a new library or something.
I guess the news is that they tried to avoid giving the college the money and instead tried to come up with a valid excuse reasons why their children might be accepted. But it seems like the crime is less bribing people to get into "elite" institutions and instead bribing the WRONG people.
What ever happened to getting your kid into college the good old fashioned way? Donating enough money to get a building named after you and guaranteed admission to any descendants.
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It isn't what you know or how hard you work.
It's who you know, how much payola you're willing to give them and how much leverage that buys you.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Note that Trump's budget released yesterday calls for a cut in education funding. This affects the working class. The rich can afford private schools. The masses get dumber, the rich get more powerful. When will it end?
Per Bernie Madoff scandal, many interviewees repeated a variation of "yes, it smelled funny, but I couldn't resist the big returns. I hoped it would pay off before the bottom fell out."
Similarly, the salesperson here probably said something like, "I can get your kid into X University for Y grand. But I can't reveal our proprietary methods."
Thus, technically the customers may not have directly known it was done in an underhanded fashion, but it was spewing red alerts like a bad 4th of July.
Table-ized A.I.
I am paying for my son's college. It wasn't easy, but I got him into the biggest in our town. It's in the business park, right next to a donut shop. That's a perk since it ensures police presence.
We received our degrees the old fashioned way... we *bought* them!
This problem is as old as education itself... the well-to-do pay for what they want. Doesn't matter where -- Oxford, Harvard, University of Paris, on and on. Pay to get in, tutors, paper editors, etc.
That the Sky is blue, the liquid water is wet and apples fall from trees.
I am, however, disappointed. Angry, even. Irrationally so.
All my life I was taught to be good. To not steal, not cheat, to not lie. I live my life like that. I stay out of the way. I don't steal, I try not to cheat (my little cheats are leaving a tiny bit earlier, to get a jump on the other commuters, I have a heavy right foot so I tend to take off from lights like a scalded cat and go around corners like a cat on carpet, etc.) I have lied, and I feel bloody awful when I do. I have done bad things, and I feel truly awful.
These people don't, I guess? They just take what they want.
I always suspected that the cheaters are the ones that truly get ahead. The ones who make the big bank. (BIG bank, not get-by-and-put-some-away-for-a-rainy-day bank). They can't do it without cheating.
This just confirms it in a way that's visceral, palpable.
Think on that next time you see that what's driving that Ferrari 458 next to you is a bleached, tanned, perfect specimen and you, who has yearned for a prancing pony since childhood will likely never have one.. and if you do, it'll be a 50-year old 308. (Nothing wrong with that, but I hope you see my point. We have to earn it, they just walk in and buy one. The one who earned it will savor every tick of the valvetrain, every rrrp of the exhaust.. they who walked in and bought it will probably spill their latte all over the leather and worse, far worse.)
Once, I was leaving work, 2 jobs ago.. the wife of the CEO drove a RR Wraith, a car I'd love to just even look after, never you mind drive.. she cut to the right of all of us waiting on the left-turn light, dragged that beautiful yacht of a car all over wet concrete mud and slurry, then gunned it and went into traffic on a red light. And she gets away with it. Cunt. Her husband was no better, he drove a RR Phantom and was unable to park it without a 20-point turn.
Fuck the rich. I really do hope karma is a thing. Imagine being reincarnated from rich asshole to possum?
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
How long has this been going on? Hundreds of years I imagine.
I worked for a rich family who's kid got kicked from the families alma matter for throwing keggers and charging an entrance fee. He essentially built an illegal bar on campus and profited from it. He got permanently removed from campus. His dad "donated" several million to pay for an addition to a campus building. His kid was allowed back in after the payment.
Of course this scheme was going to get busted! If there's one thing a racket hates, it's competition. It's a shame that these people didn't realize that they should have bribed the colleges directly, with gifts and endowments. That way it's up to the school to figure out how they can get your kid in the door, and it's all above board. This is basically the Ivy-League educational equivalent of trying to sneak candy into the movie theater.
I was about to pay several million dollars to pass my son off as the world's greatest collegiate hockey prospect (except he can't skate and is in his 40s) when I saw this Slashdot article. Now I've done something even better: I signed him up at the University Of American Samoa for a law degree! Go Land Crabs!
Thanks Slashdot!
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
The value of elite schools is the connections, they're social circles. The supposed main value add of Classes and the like vary insignificantly from ivy league to community colleges which are far better in cost and sometimes in quality. So why should we punish the elite from simply treating and showing universities for what they truly are?
And they wonder why the wealth gap is widening.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
What ever happened to just claiming you were a minority to get in on the affirmative action?
And of course it works, she is now a Senator and running for president. Secret tip for you, make sure you register DNC first.
what college do you go to
they didn't teach you the difference between its and it's
If only their kids were lucky to born as visible minorities, except for Asian, no bribing would be necessary. Maybe it is time to do a reverse Michael Jackson?
I'm surprised that wasn't bigger news. That wouldn't affect just the poor, that'd hit the old geezers who watch Fox News too.
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Look at all the student loans.
This is a surprise somehow?
Nationwide at a number of colleges, though the FBI said that none of the colleges themselves knew of the scheme. Of course, it brings up a number of questions:
1. What good does it do to get your spawn into an elite college if they're not good enough and they'll just fail out?
2. Why not go the time-honored fraud route of just pretending your offspring is a minority?
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I'm not sure why we suddenly care. This has been going on for ages. Maybe it's because the funding cuts have gotten so bad that people are angry at the special privileges given to wealthy and well connected. It's a moot point. This'll blow over and they'll find another way to do it that isn't so obvious.
The correct response to this is to end tuition and just let anyone who passes their exams go to college. It would cost $80 billion a year. That's not even a drop in the bucket compared to the value of a well educated populace. Not just for your kids, but for your retirement. Without a strong economy backed by college educated kids you're not gonna get the return on investment you need.
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Go lay down in the middle of a busy road please.
Singer helped parents take staged photographs of their children engaged in particular sports...sometimes Photoshopping the face of the child onto the picture of the athlete" and submitting it to desirable schools.
I can't believe parents were actually this stupid. If you're playing sports at the collegiate level, it's because you're actually fucking good at it. The world knows this.
Exactly how long did stupid celebrities think they were going to get away with pimping their fake elite athletes?
I wish this would have all blown up on a playing field somewhere. Would have made for great social media watching some spoiled little shit get called out and shown the door for going along with their parents idiotic ideas.
Mr. Burns: I see. Well, I- ...Oh, that reminds me, it is time for your annual contribution. How much should I give?
Male Admissions Officer: Well frankly, test scores like Larry's would merit a very generous donation. A score of 400 would require new football uniforms. 300 would require a new dormitory. And in Larry's case? We'd need an international airport.
Female Admissions Officer: Yale could use an international airport, Mr. Burns.
Mr. Burns: Are you mad?! I am not made of airports! Get out!
Except in the manner that those 'successful' people are often as unfulfilled in their life as you are, no matter what sort of fancy dog and pony shows they put on to make it look like they are having more fun with their wealth than they truly are.
Having said that, I'm in my 40s. I've been handicapped not only by honesty, but also by being told privacy was a founding principle I needed to live by. As such I was reluctant to give away more personal details than I needed to, feeling like a moral and reluctant whore any time I did. Now all that information has been leaked to every tom dick and harry, and if I hadn't been concerned with my own privacy I could have had jobs, women, etc. Maybe I would've gotten blackmailed, or arrested for something (hey, lots of 'mainstream' kink is still illegal!) Long story short, I'm still living by those standards, but more and more I just want *OUT* so I can go live my life how I want without the threat of a bunch of unjust and unevenly enforced laws looming over my head. Fuck America's politicians, fuck America's judiciary, fuck America's police, and especially fuck America's education system for (officially anyways) teaching us all the life lessons we shouldn't follow if we want to get ahead.
"That's a perk since it ensures police presence."
You consider this a perk? I bet you're white.
*lie, not lay
No, you got it wrong. All the people were democrats, not GOP.
So, it was the Russians that made them do it! :P
$80 billion is over 10x what Trump asked for the wall and we were told by the DNC that level of spending is completely unacceptable. We need to be fiscally responsible with the debt over $20 Trillion.
That kind of outrageous spending has no place in the USA now.
Or are you just giving up on pretending to not be a hypocrite. You shit on the voters and prepare to have your shit tossed back at you.
I was replying to the person blaming the GOP. All of the names are Hollywood elite. You know, the Left. And yes, the vast majority of today's wealthy are in fact leftist. Unless you believe the coasts and Silicon Valley are hotbeds of conservatism.
I can't tell who is less deserving of college, these people paying to be fake sports stars for college, or actual sports stars.
No, your doing it wrong!
Just order the degree online. I have lots of online degrees from all over the world. The Indian guy I interviewed 3 weeks ago looked scared when I told him I had a degree from the same college as him. :P
This morning sonic waves had mass, this afternoon scandals have mass.
Confusing world.
I figured that the parents would be smart enough to realize that the school you get into does not help your future career. They already have all these advantages, is going to Stanford really going to open more doors than being the child of someone of wealth or a star?
If they wanted too, they could get their kids the best teachers or coaches who could excel in either education or sports; to cheat like this? They set a horrible standard of privilege for their children to follow.
This exists - they are called sexual minorities. The problem is the scheme is working so well that they are running out of alphabet letters. In some cases they are having to switch case already.
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Look at all the student loans.
This is a surprise somehow?
Glad you feel that way.
Now go tell the 27-year old kid with a Masters degree living in his parents basement that student loans don't convey success. Actual success does.
Because no Conservative or Republican was ever a famous actor that went into politics, say as Governor. I can barely name three off the top of my head...
Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Ventura...
If the Republicans had any candidates under fifty there might be more.
Citation needed.
Can you find any Republicans in the group arrested today? Nope. All card-carrying Leftists.
Since the summary didn't list any names except the photogenic actresses, I'm not sure how you know if they were Republicans or Democrats. The actual article names names (scroll down to the bottom for the list), and they're mostly athletic coaches and rich businessmen. I don't know their politics, but in my experience, athletic coaches and rich businessmen both tend toward the right.
No, they weren't "all democrats".
Get these fucking gladiator games, their chronically corrupt staff, and the distortion of priorities and funding that go to stadiums, out of the public university system. Their only educational value is in providing patients with weird injuries to serve as training examples and case studies for the medical schools.
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What ever happened to getting your kid into college the good old fashioned way? Donating enough money to get a building named after you and guaranteed admission to any descendants.
According to TFA, most of these parents paid the consultant $250k to $450k.
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Read the actual article. The people accepting the bribes got maybe 350 K to 450K. The people arranging the bribes got a lot more.
Exempli gratia:
"In another example, Lelling said former Yale women's soccer coach Rudy Meredith took $400,000 to designate a potential student as a recruit for the team — boosting the student's admission prospects — despite knowing that the student didn't play the sport competitively.Once the student was accepted to Yale, her relatives paid Singer approximately $1.2 million, including a $900,000 to one of KWF's charitable accounts, according to court documents."
2 out of 50 were "Hollywood elites".
you get them at public Uni or, more likely, community college. And there's damn few of them. As an added bonus Muffy is a little less stupid as a result. At the very least she had to take some basic writing and history courses and learned a little critical thinking. Yeah, she's probably still pretty dense (she did get a Gender studies degree after all) but trust me, she was worse going in then coming out.
That leaves hundreds of thousands of Nurses, Doctors, Accountants, Engineers, MBAs and Architects putting money in your 401k by growing the economy.
To be blunt, ROI's only a problem if you're willing to give all that up to stiggit to the libs by denying the occasional middle class brat their useless degree.
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when they needed us they did. Now that they've got H1-Bs? Not so much.
That's why you don't ask them. Vote. Vote in your primary elections. Vote for left leaning candidates. Stop listening to mainstream media like CNN and MSNBC (both establishment outlets). We really are a democracy, but in order for that to work we've got to all agree that nobody gets left behind. Otherwise we split into classes and races and sub-groups and fight among ourselves while the wealthy take all our stuff.
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Ventura?
If he was ever an R, he was a Minnesota R, which is a D anywhere else.
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They were a major part of the scheme.
Were they charged as well?
Do they get to keep their degrees?
See subject: OR you wouldn't be playing @ that level (I know, I was an NCAA 1st string/starter as a freshman in Lacrosse for LeMoyne College (on/off champion in D2/D3 for ages MAINLY because they started drawing players from where I learned the game ORIGINALLY @ West Genesee Highschool, Camillus NY - who USED to be the 'farm team' for Division 1 Syracuse University in the SAME area (John Hopkins, Hobart & others also got a lot of 'greats' from there & CANADA too (Lax is their 'national sport' or it was in the 80's @ least when I played - great players (Gait brothers = e.g.)).
* There's GREATS among the greats though - I knew 2 personally, Tom Korrie (after I went to another school, met him in box lacrosse & thru my best pal/neighbor who was related to his best friend) & Todd Curry (while I was @ Camillus Junior High), both from W.G highschool I noted above.
They were DEFINITELY way, Way, WAY ABOVE where most guys where e.g. All-American highschool 1st string/Collegiate NCAA too - I was just happy to be able to score on them which I did a few times on both levels (highschool &/or NCAA).
(They started early then, since in that neighborhood in Camillus, what do you see @ elementary schools? LACROSSE GOALS & to play minus goalies, you hang a BIG WIDE BOARD in their leaving only thin slices to shoot thru OR you play "pole ball" & try 'twang' the basketball support post (hard too)).
APK
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Wasn't this previously called "an endowment"? Why is it illegal now?
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Oh no!!! Maybe you should fall down and curl up into a little ball like the persecuted victim you are.
Clearly, their parents bought the kids into those programs.
And yes, the vast majority of today's wealthy are in fact leftist.
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! Oh man, that was a good one.
Nope, no sig
He was Libertarian.
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He ran for governor as a Lib. I don't know that he was never an R.
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Seriously, that explains why so many Ivy League crews are so bad.
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It seems to be quite common for us to question why some topic or news item is being pushed onto the main page of Slashdot, usually put there by BeauHD or msmash.
Why is that? Why are they doing that?
Are we running out of headlines regarding science, technology, programming, employment, corrupt politicians, racial discrimination, reality TV shows, cops shooting unarmed people of colour, Hollywood movie stars getting caught with their pants down.... oh wait, I've gone off track JUST LIKE SLASHDOT! Get back to the tech topics.
Slashdot is turning into the National Enquirer fer cryin' out loud. Stirring up the pot in order to get traffic and ad revenue.
The article I read said the kids were not being charged, and that "none of them knew".
How does someone take a test for you and you not know? How does an application get sent in for you with pictures of you in the rowing club, and you have no idea?
I'm not saying the kids should be charged for the sin of the parents... but I am saying you cannot reasonably claim they did not know.
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Both actresses have only white daughters. I wonder if most of the rest of the kids were also white girls.
hmmmm... paid privilege?
Robert Zangrillo is a republican https://voterrecords.com/voter... (I only googled the one as that's all I need to prove you wrong, try again).
Look and learn. They really do believe they are not merely 'better', but more deserving, and merely paying a bit of money to ensure their offspring have the advantages yours will not, and will not because they take them from yours, doesn't bother them a bit.
And all this for the 'right' school. Do you doubt they expect their offspring to graduate, likely with honors, no matter the cost of that?
And, if you're paying attention, that they consider your offspring not merely unentitled, but undeserving of even a fair chance, should tell you they care not a bit for your, your offspring, your anything.
They've set the standard of unmerited privilege long ago. They are more enlightened than you, more talented, more important, more caring, thoughtful, and gosh darn it, they are just better than you. Better.
And they should be in charge, in power, because they are just better than you, and the rest of you.
Remember this. Their attitude pervades every part of their lives, and impacts every part of yours.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
So the only people there's actual evidence of the political affiliation of are Democrats/left-wing, but "in your experience" there's a general type to do such things which is right-wing so that's what you'll go with.
Brilliant.
Can you feed yourself in your sphere as well, by having the experience that you are eating without actually doing so?
Oh, rich businessmen overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. The last election did not go the way they wanted.
Charged: Lori Loughlin
Charged: Mossimo Gianulli
Child: Olivia Gianulli speaking here: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/celebrity-kid-called-spoiled-privileged-brat-saying-shes-going-college-game-days-partying-190101738.html
Olivia Giannulli is used to living a lavish life, led by her famous mother Lori Loughlin and designer father Mossimo Giannulli. But the 19-year-old YouTuber, who goes by the name Olivia Jade online, has gotten herself into a bit of trouble, as subscribers are calling her out for her “spoiled” outlook on college.
In one of her latest videos, the teen opened up about her future plans after recently graduating from her private high school in California. And although she’s already made quite the career for herself on social media, people were excited to hear that Olivia is still planning to attend college in the fall. However, her explanation of why she wants to pursue higher education has people expressing their disappointment.
“I don’t know how much of school I’m gonna attend,” she shared with her nearly 2 million subscribers, after explaining her extensive work schedule. “But I’m gonna go in and talk to my deans and everyone, and hope that I can try and balance it all. But I do want the experience of like game days, partyingI don’t really care about school, as you guys all know.”
Slashdot has to to be the only place where DeVry graduates can act as experts on the Ivy League admission process.
And here I thought the student admissions scandal in 2009-2010 was nasty.
This flat out blows it away. They don't say how long it's been going on, but I'll wager it's been for a LONG time...
First rule of holes; When in one, stop digging.
That's... that's kind of a stretch, are not leftists poor communists? How can they afford that? :?
Mr. Burns: Something is not right about Larry's upbringing. Send for the boys of Yale at once!
[Burns' office. Two admissions officers from Yale are by his desk.]
Mr. Burns: Well, how did the interview go?
Male Admissions Officer: Larry made light of my weight, then suggested my motto ought to be "Semper Fudge". Afterwards he told me to "relax" and "forget about it".
Mr. Burns: OK, OK. How were his test scores?
Female Admissions Officer: Let me put it this way. Larry spelled Yale with a 6.
[Mr. Burns, in a not-to-subtle moves, opens his checkbook.]
Mr. Burns: Oh, I almost forgot, it is time for your annual contribution. How much should I give?
Male Admissions Officer: Let us see. A score of 400 would require new football uniforms. A score of 300 would require a new dormitory.
Mr. Burns: And in Larry's case?
Male Admissions Officer: A new international airport.
Female Admissions Officer: Yale could use an international airport, Mr. Burns.
Mr. Burns: Blast you! I am not made of airports! Get out!
Is it just me, or does it seem like the US is mirroring the pre-fall Roman Empire more and more?
Soon people will be paying bribes to companies to get their children employed there, if that hasn't started happening already.
the past Universities was to give rich kids something to do. Trades for others.
Now days trades are demonized and Universities is the place for banks to lock you into big loans.
You mean like your republican president hahahahah
Why hasn't someone started a college where the course work is made up and the points don't count? The whole experience is just a badge of exclusivity. It seems that's what rich parents want, anyway. Maybe throw in a shitty football team so the kids can party and tail gate on the weekends. Make it so that no federal or state money is accepted so kids get in based exclusively on how much parents pledge. The top 100 pledges get in: SAT scores and aptitude be damned. If that's what rich parents want, someone should provide it. Market forces, right?
50 charged, $25M fraud total.
Crime pays ... for the FBI.
Guessing this goes on to a certain extent at most desirable schools, so there are probably another 50 or so similar ringleaders and some of the bribe takers may know more of them. The substitute test takers has to be rampant. This one test is so important and the proctors are largely underpaid teachers.
she'll spend 2 years in that echo chamber. The first 2 years of college is Gen-Ed.
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even if it's free. Other countries have no problem making college tuition free. NY just did it too. As for cost, see here.
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In the 1950s and 1960s we had several students in my school that had either enormous wealth or power or both. A teacher would be out of his blooming mind to not make certain these kids had really high grades as power and a telephone call could surely end a teacher's employment. I have no way to know if any contact or incentives between teachers and wealthy parents. I believe the system is such that things can happen without anyone ever speaking a word. I do know that our high school football team had one pro player as he tried to recruit me with mention of apartments and cars etc.. He was 21 years old.
Ever heard of torque?
Now we know why the colleges seem to be filled with entitled know-nothing snot-nosed stupid social justice warriors.
Dumb Hollywood kids who cheated their way in.
Explains it all.
I graduated over 20 years ago from a state school. My parents weren't wealthy enough to buy my way into an Ivy League school. I turned out OK, but the fact is that my path could have been a whole lot easier if I had been able to even think about applying to places like this. Once you make it in, that club will never let you fail...the hard part is making it in.
People wonder why these places are $60K+ a year, and accept less than 5% of applicants. It's because getting into one of these schools is a one-way ticket to Easy Street. You get to hobnob with the rich and powerful, they might fund your business ideas, and if you're not an entrepreneur there's a whole class of high-paying jobs open to you too. I live near NYC and investment banks recruit exclusively from the Ivy League for their most prestigious associate positions. My kids are smart but they're not full-scholarship-to-Harvard smart, or athletic enough for a sports scholarship, and I can't pay millions to an admissions broker...so they'll have to suck it up and find a job like the rest of us do instead of having it handed to them.
I always thought wealthy parents just paid millions directly to the school to help build a building in order to secure admissions spots. Is it now so competitive that they have to go to a middleman with connections, and donations aren't enough? It's too bad...these rich parents' kids are taking spots that could otherwise go to someone who would actually use the education for something other than a stepping stone to McKinsey and Company and executive boards.
They mostly hail from 'blue states', but I doubt it's 100% in any case.
Let's not forget the ongoing affirmative action lawsuit against Haahvahd Univehsity... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/affirmative-action-lawsuit-against-harvard-judge-s-hands-n971776
have you been keeping up with trends in automation? We better think of something to do with all these superfluous people or you're gonna have riots. A gated community won't be enough, you'll need to be wealthy enough to afford private security. Or willing to submit to a military Junta. Are you either of those things? If not college for all is a damn fine idea.
As for paying for it, our problem isn't money, it's distribution. Here's a much more humorous explanation of the problem.
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the only thing propping up our economy right now is a phony "gig" workforce who's effectively mortgaging the resources (cars mostly) they obtained when they had better jobs. Those cars are starting to break down. Meanwhile the gig economy is paying less and less in preparation for IPOs. The whole thing is going to come crashing down soon unless we take positive action, like the "Green" New Deal (which is just a federal jobs program, hence the "New Deal" in the name).
Once again, here's a much better explanation of the problem then I could ever give. Watch the whole thing or it won't make sense. It's worth it.
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...i.e. 'the wealthy', believe that they deserve ...or expect...all of the breaks in life?
Is it just that fucking entitlement leads one to expect even more entitlement?
Simple solution: Go back to taxing the motherfucking fuck out of them....like 50%, to pay society back for their goddamn entitlements.
Anybody else ever wish slashdot displayed IP addresses for AC's? It hurts my heart to think Ivan doesn't have to proxy-hop to post this shit.
"tend toward the right."
There's an easy test for that. Do they support gun control? If they do they aren't anywhere near the right.
and I wish this pernicious lie would just go away already. Here is a well researched article showing that fancy dorms and loans are not the cause of sky rocketing out of pocket tuition.
My kid is in college right now. She barely made it into her 300 level courses. There were 400+ qualified applicants (GPA 3.8 or higher) and 200 slots. They did interviews, weighted extra curricular activities, sports and also how likely the kid was to finish the program (yes, available support factored into that, e.g. if your parents could afford to pay your way you're more likely to get a spot).
If it was just a matter of soaking up money they'd do what any business does when there's more demand than supply: Raise the price until supply == demand. They did not do that, because they are teachers, and they want to teach.
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Did they misspell China again?
He's been doing it for years.
Along with Steven Seagal and a few other big name ex-hollywood types. All claiming the Republican/Libertarian/Right despite Putin being both an authoritarian and a filthy Commie (CINO.)
Remember this the next time you've voting for America! Because there are a lot of other commies out there, and they don't all vote for the Leftist/Liberal agenda. Some of them even costar on RT America.
We gets in college cause of our hard work and merit. It's our test scores and intelligence. We don't need no affirmative action.
Lulz. Takes a bit but the truth comes out.
GayBLT is only six letters.
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That's funny coming from an AC.
I was replying to the person blaming the GOP. All of the names are Hollywood elite. You know, the Left. And yes, the vast majority of today's wealthy are in fact leftist. Unless you believe the coasts and Silicon Valley are hotbeds of conservatism.
Well, I agree with you. Let's murder all rich people to be on the safe side.
Turns out, it's not an India only problem afterall.
Must be an eye opener!
By leftist I think you mean centrist.
I was replying to the person blaming the GOP. All of the names are Hollywood elite. You know, the Left. And yes, the vast majority of today's wealthy are in fact leftist. Unless you believe the coasts and Silicon Valley are hotbeds of conservatism.
There's a famous quote from Paco de Lucia, who was a flamenco guitar player, who fits "well" with your argument: "When I made my first two million I stopped being a leftist" ("Cuando gané los dos primeros millones dejé de ser de izquierdas" in the original).
Thought this was a known norm... Do you think Trump had his transcripts sealed because he doesn't want everyone to see all his A's? No way did he get admitted based on academic performance.
Well, from personal experience I can tell you that my father voted Republican all his life.
He didn't vote Democrat until after he was dead.
Of course, it was not really him voting, but hopefully you understand what was happening.
And of course, they had to post the pictures of the actress. Because shaming mens is so old-fashioned
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have you been keeping up with trends in automation?
The trends in automation is that it's aiming to replace even jobs that take college level education/training.
So college won't save you. It might let you compete with the billions of other college graduates for the same low level job that pays for crap, but there won't be enough of those jobs for everyone, let alone the better paying jobs that are even more scarce (the world doesn't need that many CEOs or pro athletes)
The bottom line is most people still struggle even after college.
We better think of something to do with all these superfluous people or you're gonna have riots.
By definition of them being superfluous (not needed; beyond what is necessary), there is no job for them even if they have all the training in the world. They simply aren't needed at all.
It also means there's not so many of them that we have to worry about riots. So all your talk about needed juntas is simply FUD
And the few times when dead people have voted, it seems that they are evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
If the "down" is removed?
US icy league is big business, not much more. Lots of marketing and wing flapping. Yeah, they've got innovations and their cool in the hardcore sciences - for super-nerds that get asked on.
Anyone else I'd recommend to see steer clear. Germany tried aping US ivy league some years back. It was/is bullshit. We've got 300+ perfect universities all for free. That's where I would go if I were in the US right now. Abroad, to some country where college is free for all and I get to learn a new language and a new culture.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
All the rest of the rotten corruption in your society has been sooooo good for it, why worry about further degredation in education.. that has no effect upon the future at all right? Jesus, youre such a fucking slave mind.
...whose kid is stressed waiting for acceptance letters from his top choice schools, having busted his gut for 12 years to achieve a 4.6+ cumulative GPA whilst taking 11 APs along the way:
Fuck those people. I hope that they get everything they deserve from the justice system, and lose everything they deserve to lose too.
why not just properly fund our schools with the tax dollars from those ultra wealthy citizens?
I'm kind of sick and tired of having to go begging to the rich every time we want nice things for the public at large.
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it doesn't work like that. Instead, tax them and use the tax dollars to build a society worth living in.
Don't focus on hurting them, focus on uplifting yourself.
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MIT is elite and does just fine for itself thank you. Yeah, Harvard/Yale are full of putzes, but they do some good work here and there.
Like I said elsewhere, tax the rich and fund the schools. Then I couldn't care less if they form phony elite schools. I care about my kid's education, not what some rich prick gets. And I don't care about "fair" as long as me and mine are taken care of (and being a lefty "me and mine" means the working class)
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when Bernie Sanders gets elected. Don't forget to vote in your primary.
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because the GOP has been cutting every chance they get since the 90s. They didn't do the cuts all at once, you know. It would be too obvious if tuition went from $1700/yr (what it was when I went) to $16,000/yr (what I just paid for my kid, well what I _borrowed_ to pay for her since I never did recover from the 2008 crash).
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How many times do we have to see it before everyone admits it?
The USA is a SHITHOLE COUNTRY.
Fuck USAmericans.
$110,000/year? That's FUCK ALL.
One can easily spend that much on a single evening's attire. You fucking Poor.
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So the Dems did all these bad things but the investigationdms failed to find any evidence. The Dems must be really good.
When parents stop raising monster brats who are taught to believe they're the best, and then run up against ACTs, SATs, College Entrance tests, their lousy high school academic records (it's hard to be a shameless hedonist and an outstanding academic at the same time), this will cease to be a problem. When overrich parents stop needing to constantly bail out their precious dearies of problems with the law that would put other kids in prison for long stretches of time, this will cease to be a problem. BwaaaHaaaHaaah . . .
why worry about further degredation in education.
Dude, that ship has sailed. The Marxists basically destroyed education outside of STEM by the early 90s.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
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