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Chelsea Manning Jailed For Refusing To Testify On WikiLeaks (apnews.com)
The Associated Press is reporting that Chelsea Manning, the transgender former Army private who was convicted of passing sensitive government documents to WikiLeaks, "has been sentenced to jail for refusing to testify to a grand jury investigating Wikileaks." From the report: U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton ordered Manning to jail for contempt of court on Friday after a brief hearing in which Manning confirmed she has no intention of testifying. She told the judge she "will accept whatever you bring upon me." Manning has said she objects to the secrecy of the grand jury process, and that she already revealed everything she knows at her court martial. The judge said she will remain jailed until she testifies or until the grand jury concludes its work. Manning's lawyers had asked that she be sent to home confinement instead of the jail, because of medical complications she faces. The judge said U.S. marshals can handle her medical care. Prosecutor Tracy McCormick said the jail and the marshals have assured the government that her medical needs can be met.
Another political prisoner to be indefinitely held.
I think it's very telling that both under a strident Democratic administration, and now a Republican one, that the investigation and hatred for Wikileaks is exactly the same. This is why I often maintain there is really very little difference between the two parties...
I do feel sorry for Manning though, sending her to jail and not even letting her be confined to home is bullshit. As Wikileaks has said on Twitter, this is simply an effort to coerce Manning to testify. I think it's sad they can get away with this.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Confirmed!
Is Wikileaks a Kremlin tool, or not? Let's find out what the transvestites of slashdot think.
And another idiot that thinks that the laws don't apply to them learns the hard way. You'd have thought that he would have learned the first time around when he got sentenced to 35 years. Before Obama let him skate on treason. He should have been put up against a wall and shot for aiding and comforting the enemy during a time of war.
Trump is a Kremlin tool, Manning didn't contact Russia like Trump did. (Secret backchannel, Drumpftard Tower Moscow, etc) Nice try, traitor. Really, almost worked lol.
Help me out here. IANAL, so I don't really know for sure. But she was pardoned. That means she can't take the fifth in any deposition related to her Wikileaks actions, but she is immune. I don't think it would matter if new information came out. So why is she refusing to talk to the Grand Jury?
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
When Wikileaks are making the other side look bad, they are the best thing since sliced bread. When they make your side look bad, they are evil incarnate.
Yeah, we need to make sure nobody else tries to embarass the US Government by showing they're guilty of genocide & war crimes.
I am a free slashdotter. I will not be modded, blogged, DRM'd, patented, podcasted or RFID'd. My life is my own.
If given immunity everyone is required to do so. This particular unique snowflake is just high profile and is using this for the publicity.
They diverge in some regards but it pretty much any way that matters, both sides look out for power in DC.
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^^ Not much of an anything, but at least you're zeroed-in on the transgender's crotch right? Seems normal for a Republican pervert.
piece of trash why? by providing evidence of the crimes against humanity and the ACTUAL COST OF WAR to all involved? ...if you're struggling with that, i think you're suffering from cognitive dissonance from being so thoroughly brainwashed.
Manning had an effect on the world, did things against the law so she thought to benefit the American people. Manning will always be 10+ times the man Kendall ever was, or ever will be, the Colorado nazi incel of no consequence lol.
I was waiting for them to come after her, as bad as they want Assange. Notice how her medical needs take a backseat to the powers-that-be's Quest for Justice.
Because heshe leaked information about your sworn biggest enemy to the victim/cattle of said enemy (you) about how your enemy abuses you?
This is why the US does not need so many primitive repressions as e.g. China. No need. The citizens fight for their own oppression, censor themselves, oppress themselves. Their brainwashing propaganda game is top notch.
A film that you guys hate a lot because it went over your head, but is considered one of the bes ever made around here, had a quote about this dynamic:
<em>"You know what's so elegant about this little game, Jake? ...because they think they *are* him.
Nobody knows where the enemy is.
They don't even know he exists.
He's in every...one of their heads.
And they trust him...
If you try to destroy him... to save them,...
they'll destroy you... to save him.
It's beautiful, man!
You have to admire the opponent's elegance.
Check."</em>
A dude who has to do all of his Wikileaks sitting down..
chromosomes are only in the crotch?
Genocide? Of whom? And the video Manning leaked was deliberately misrepresented by Assange to boost his own ego, as others in WikiLeaks have stated.
What's particularly bad about this is Manning was leaking information with the specific intent to cause harm to the Army, (possibly leading to the deaths of US soldiers) without being aware of its contents at all. Manning did this purely out of spite; it had nothing to do with whistleblowing. The reason he did this goes back to his early days in the Army. Read on:
https://huwieler.net/2017/01/1...
Nothing would make Manning more happy than to see his comrades die simply because he was deliberately an asshole in basic. As an Army veteran myself, I have zero sympathy for that stupid fuck.
Still a Dude.
What about people born with XX Male Syndrome(physically male with XX), Swyer syndrome(physically female with XY), or 46,XX DSD(physically male with XX)?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Yeah, you don't have a democracy. you have a one-oligarchy dictatorship with two hand puppets to fake competition. Like Panasonic aka Matsuahita aka JVC in the 90s.
Besides: Since when is a "representative democracy" not an oxymoron and the opposite of a democracy anyway?
Especially when all they represent is the corporations they work/lobby for.
Ok, maybe it is an actual democracy. But the citizens are the corporations, and the real elections happens via those revolving door of lobbyism.
Note that I am not some USA hater. Quite the opposite. I'm angry that some assholes ruin the country that I love so much even though I'm not even from there.
I doubt Republican incels even have a crotch, just a smooth spot where balls should be that they let Vladimir Putin lick and post notes to them.
" As an Army veteran myself, I have zero sympathy for that stupid fuck." - Ok, so how do you feel about a coward who lied 5 times to stay out of his duty to country, and looks down on those who enlisted to serve? (Drumpf the traitor)
What about mentally ill attention seeking faggots like Chelsea Manning?
So I fucking understand why the USA government and its assorted minions would be pissed at this individual, as the Wikileaks revelations revealed by Manning made the government look like a bunch of petty, asshat bitches. But come on already, enough is enough...at what point are you violating the fucking double jeopardy protections outlined in the US Constitution, for fuck's sake.
Here's a thought, stop fucking sowing wars and discord across the planet to sell your weaponry, and maybe, just maybe, there wont be this kind of goddamn motivation to reveal your bullshit meddling.
Note to Scott Snowden....the coast is most definitely *not* clear, so stay the fuck wherever you are. You wont be 'prosecuted', rather, you will be persecuted, just like Manning.
Well if she panders to the Republican base for a few years they can probably win the GOP nomination, as Trump the anti-abortion liberal fraud-turned-Republican-savior proved, right? They'll support ANY traitor who supports nazism.
#truth
also helping to highlight how utterly moronic the haters are and how gullible they are for US propaganda via comments like the above.
She refuses to testify because she doesn't like the secrecy. But then she claims that she's already revealed everything there is to say. And somehow twists this into some sort of idealogical battle? This is a *very* fuzzy headed individual. Sigh. I guess that it's pretty common across the board. Humanity has put rationality in the back seat for the time being.
She won't win this fight unless she's ready to sit out the jail sentence. When a grand jury pulls you up and says "talk" you don't get a say in the matter, unless you're ready to plead the 5th or sit in a jail cell.
Chelsea Manning is a traitor to this great nation: she exposed the hypocrisy of this nation.
Chelsea Manning is a hero to the world: she let the world learn the hypocrisy of an empire.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
Mystery Red of the Great American Eclipse
It has blood on it!
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Not exactly. In those other states we wouldn't even discussing this because we wouldn't know about it. Or anyone that did would also be in jail... or dead
So you are so incredibly insecure in your identity that you fear nothing more than a person that has made the decision to switch genders? You have a serious problem.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
he US is in the same category ad China, Russia or Nazi Germany.
You're delusional. I suggest you talk to people who lived under the nazi flag. Talk to those who first-hand fought the fights, flew the raids, occupied Germany at the end. I suggest you educate yourself on what WWII Germany was doing, how they did it, and the sheer scale of what was done. Every country has blood on its hand, but WWII Germany was something else. Russia, too. Stalin offed twice as many Russians -- his own people -- than what Hitler did to the Jews and others Not Like Him.
We're not running a machine of death where we feed body upon body by the thousands into the furnaces. No, we just knock over dictators to put another dictator in, one friendly to our interests.
All we have here is a few minor inconveniences. For fuck's sake we can still buy guns with relative ease. And drugs. And cars, bikes, etc etc. We're a fucking paradise, my commie-pinko friend, even when compared to places in the Carribean.
I will fight people like you in the voting booths, now and until I die. You cannot be allowed to win. You have your right to say it, but we have the right to vote your people into oblivion.
And who the fuck modded you +1 anyway? Your post smacks of arrogant ignorance!
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Manning will always be 10+ times the man Kendall ever was
Is that because Manning hangs out with noted hate group founder Gavin "I'll prove I'm not gay by shoving this dildo up my ass" McInnes and the absolutely retarded Mike Cernobitch?
You can be compelled by the court to testify in a case unrelated to you (other than you being a witness). Refusal to do so is contempt of court, and can result in jail time (not prison). Your desire to protect someone does not override the court's responsibility to get at the truth.
This seems like an odd reason to refuse to comply with the court. Grand jury hearings (they determine if there's sufficient evidence for a case to go to a real trial) act as a shield against government harassing innocents by constantly sending them to trial on frivolous charges. They are frequently held in secret so as not to prejudice potential future jurors, and not to prejudice the public in case there's a determination that there's insufficient evidence (people have this bad habit of assuming that being accused = guilty).
The only other notable case I can think of where someone refused to testify was a reporter who was ordered by a court to give up the name of his anonymous source, and was jailed (for years) under contempt of court. But in that case, the principle of freedom of the press was at stake - people wishing to inform the press anonymously would no longer do so if their anonymity could be stripped by a simple court order.
> What about people born with XX Male Syndrome(physically male with XX), Swyer syndrome(physically female with XY), or 46,XX DSD(physically male with XX)?
You are talking about a very, very small portion of the population.
Except not. Because if Stalin had actually killed 40 millions, then, together with the losses in WW2, the USSR population would have been halved. This alone would make the country completely unsustainable. At least you aren't as ridiculous as some people who insist that Stalin has killed 100 millions of soviet citizens because adding the WW2 losses that would be about all of them.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
The rule of law is alive and well, in the USA, thank goodness. And if you defy a court of law, you will pay a price.
So, Chelsea better get comfortable unless she wants to answer questions.
... certain matters at her trial.
There are other matters that the feds thought were unnecessary to pursue because they already had enough to put her away.
Even the Obama decision did not upset prosecutors. However, the US is gearing up for an Assange trial once Ecuador releases Assange to London.
For that reason, additional actions by Manning, declared moot at the time, are now important to the Assange trial.
Those same facts would also incriminate Manning and expose her to possible further litigation. I predict an immunity deal for her.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
US âoeprimariesâ are private political party events, not an actual part of US Democracy. Theyâ(TM)re not fair or democratic, and they shouldnâ(TM)t be expected to be. The US should get real Primary elections instead.
"He is a traitor to his country."
Because if Stalin had actually killed 40 millions
12 million, wsn't it? where did you get 40 from?
Still. Way to endear yourself to your people, killing your own. Niiiicely done.
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Fortunately, like White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, and other hate groups, you are ineffectively intolerant and misguided.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
To a Jew, everyone who isn't a Jew is a Nazi.
They are incredibly one-note on this issue, and it's why mainstream media is so fucking boring.
Manning will always be 10+ times the man Kendall ever was, or ever will be
Indeed, Manning is 10+ times the man of all the Slashdot posters combined... that's is why I give deference to her pronoun; she has earned respect.
She saw a moral choice that would impact her greatly, and she chose to risk those consequences. I think she really botched how she did it (revealing some things she should not have), but by and large it was better for people to know what she, and Wikileaks, have revealed... always err on the side of transparency.
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I don't like how this process works, you testify or else. You can take the 5th and not testify, but you cannot pick and choose your questions. It's all or nothing, so as soon as you answer ONE question, you have no choice, even a question like "What is your name?" is enough.
That being said, Manning has competent legal counsel and immunity from prosecution for any possibly related crimes, so there is no pleading the 5th. But if you refuse to testify, jail is the result. Manning knows that, Manning's legal counsel knows, everybody knows.
What ever the reasons are, I guess jail is worth it to Manning. In fact, I wonder if it's not the whole idea, to get another few seconds in the limelight to complain about stuff again.
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Susan Carol McDougal (née Henley; born 1955) is one of the few people who served prison time as a result of the Whitewater controversy of the 15 individuals who were convicted of federal charges. Her refusal to answer "three questions" for a grand jury, on whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial, led her to receive a jail sentence of 18 months for contempt of court. That made up most of the total 22 months she spent incarcerated. She received a full presidential pardon from Clinton in the final hours of his presidency in 2001.
See USA's history in South East Asia.
he US is in the same category ad China, Russia or Nazi Germany.
You're delusional. I suggest you talk to people who lived under the nazi flag.
The USA sold fuel, aluminum, and other war supplies to the Third Reich, and also refused to enter the war on the basis that it might hurt certain people's reelection campaigns. The checks for the support contracts for the concentration management machines which were built by IBM of Germany were paid straight to IBM in Armonk, NY. Tell us again about that Nazi flag, which was only able to fly so long because the USA was profiting from the holocaust.
We're not running a machine of death where we feed body upon body by the thousands into the furnaces.
True, we only willfully aid and abet such, so that we can profit from them.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Amazing how manning manages to make it into the news. Maybe she can claim she was a man when she divulged info to Wikileaks so now he's a she that testimony isn't valid? Of course us taxpayers paid for he to be a she, which I'm thinking isn't something any insurance should pay for. I'd say let her/him rot in jail but how much will that costs us?
Despite any person Manning is (male/female), it is wrong to be treated in contempt
for this. She already revealed everything she knows at her court martial; the GOV
has no legal standing with Manning any longer as time has be served and "crimes"
have been paid for. Additionally, there is no evidence of involvement with Wikileaks
beyond what is already on record. In other words, the GOV has no probable cause
to arrest / detain Manning. This is a perfect example of a bad judge and a wonderful
example of why jury nullification (which if you notice, Manning's access to a jury has
been denied) is such an important part of our legal system.
The message is very clear -- if you rat on the GOV, you will never be safe...
I have zero sympathy for you
Quit acting like this treasonous nut case is a woman and anything other than a failure as a human being. Send him back to the brig where he should of stayed.
Stop being so fucking insecure.
People are born different. One of my best childhood friends came out as being gay shortly after high school. Looking back, it's very obvious now. It wasn't a choice he made, it's just who he always was.
I'm not going to pretend to understand how anyone in those communities actually feel but I will respect them as individuals until given a reason not to. Their personal decisions have no impact on the lives of us, so why rant about it?
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
If the military's activities were illegal under the Constitution, the I would consider her a patriot, not a traitor.
is that I think the Dems can be redeemed. There are folks like Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, Alexandria Ocassio-Cortez & Ro Khanna who fight for the working class and the every day man/woman. There's an entire wing of the party (called "Justice Democrats") working to change the party from within. I know of no such movement in the Republican party. The closest the GOP has is Rand Paul's brand of libertarianism, but that ultimately leaves me at the mercy of folks with thousands of times more money than me.
Heck, AOC is actively working to reign the anti-worker, pro-corporate shills of the party in and primary the ones who refuse. Newt Gingrich basically did the opposite with his party in the 90s which, along with Bill Clinton, is why our country moved so far to the right and what got us in the mess we're in today.
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not even in the legal sense. Traitor has a very, very specific legal meaning. It means treason, and good luck proving that. It's got the highest bar for anything in our legal system (and for damn good reason).
In the metaphorical sense she's anything but a traitor. She did what she felt was right to expose horrible things being done in my name and yours. Things done to protect the interests of the ultra-wealthy and powerful at the expense of everyday working Americans.
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Big example to be a fucking retard that still leave with a mindset if the XIX century
Uhh.... Manning had a connection with WikiLeaks. When he leaked classified Army data, who do you think he gave it to?
What's wrong with MILF porn? I'd rather see women than little girls.
Also, he didn't "rat" on anything, he indiscriminately gave out classified information without even knowing what's in it.
Ok, so how do you feel about a coward who lied 5 times
I dunno. I know how I feel about you though based on that one statement, that you represented for yourself.
You're a douchebag idiot who can't help himself/herself/catself from inserting something completely irrelevant in an effort to try to score brownie points.
Drumpf the traitor
yeah, and that confirms my suspicions. You think you're so clever when all you are is a parrot spewing whatever someone else says that fits your world view.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Here's a quote from Adrian Lamo on exposing Manning:
âoeHad I done nothing, I would always have been left wondering whether the hundreds of thousands of documents that had been leaked to unknown third parties would end up costing lives, either directly or indirectly.â
In case you're not familiar, Lamo was the person who Manning was passing these documents to in order to have them made available via WikiLeaks.
I don't care if you want to say bad things about the military or the US government; hell, I've done it plenty of times. But deliberately trying to get your battle buddies killed? What a miserable psychopathic piece of shit.
Be more specific. Name the time period and the specific people that the US attempted genocide on.
that this is how it starts. Go look up the early history of Stalin & Hitler. They didn't just start shooting. They were brutal, but clever. They made sure to appear legitimate until their hold on power was complete.
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Manning hangs out with white nationalists, I don't see that as acting in the interest of the American people. You're just a retard.
Oh. I don't care.
Probably a Democrat too.
True. The parties could completely eliminate primaries if they want to. In fact, the RNC have been open about the fact that they're not going to support anyone but Trump in 2020, and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also didn't see anything wrong with the DNC trying to steer the party toward Clinton.
They are birth defects. What have they got do do with Chelsea Manning?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
See it here first. Liberals think democracy is overrated and rigging of elections is acceptable to them.
Just like censorship is acceptable to them.
Just like killing live born babies is acceptable to them.
Just like anti-semitism is acceptable to them.
Noticing a pattern here yet? Not meaning to Godwin myself, but liberalism sounds a lot like 1940 Germany.
What about people born with XX Male Syndrome(physically male with XX), Swyer syndrome(physically female with XY), or 46,XX DSD(physically male with XX)?
Does Manning have any of those conditions? All indications are that he does not. Manning is still a male, even if he goes through hormone replacement and a gelding.
People with the disorders you describe are a very small portion of the population. These people deserve compassion for their condition and to be treated as the gender they feel most comfortable presenting themselves to the public. We cannot upend our definitions of male and female because of a handful of exceedingly rare genetic disorders.
On the other hand those in generally good physical health should not be allowed to remove healthy organs because they suffer from a mental disorder. Allowing people to live a lie that they are some other gender than what they were born is not good for their own mental health, or the public's mental health. Why do we allow these people to mutilate themselves when there is obviously nothing physically wrong with them? Those that are obviously not suffering from some disorder of sexual development should not be allowed to undergo surgery just as we prevent people with body integrity dysphoria to amputate their legs or hands.
At least with body integrity dysphoria the surgery would actually make them what they want to be, an amputee. Cutting away healthy tissue on a man does not make the man into a woman. It makes the man a damaged man. Treating gender dysphoria with "transition" surgery is quite barbaric. I believe that in time we will see the damage this method of "treatment" has done to those that received this treatment. This will take decades to find out how much damage has been done as the artificial hormone treatments are still experimental, as are the cosmetic surgeries they have undergone.
If an adult wants to render himself or herself infertile then that is their choice. What I find unfathomable is parents being allowed to neuter their own children. That's child abuse and borderline demonic. If someone wants to see their family line end with them and their children then I can get some consolation in that whatever mental illness or anti-social norms they have engendered will die with them. We should be kind and compassionate to these people, not live in their fantasy world.
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Really? That site is so low-effort that you should be ashamed of yourself. The domain was created in Sept 2016 and archive.org shows nothing before 2017 even though the earliest article was dated June 2016. Since then, there has been nothing new except for back-dated articles to Feb 2015.
I give you facts, you mod them troll, then you have less modpoints. I'll get more karma tomorrow. Mod away!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You left out quite a lot of information by cherry picking those parts. I know it seems cool to dis the US every chance you get, but really you just look ignorant to those who know more than you, which is pretty much everyone on slashdot. And that is a low bar achievement.
In short. Fuck off and die.
There are entire networks of sockpuppets that write and mod that stuff up. Some professional, many just for fun apparently.
You left out quite a lot of information by cherry picking those parts.
Those facts, you mean. If you have a problem with those facts, then by all means counter them. Otherwise, in short,
Fuck off and die.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
We're not running a machine of death where we feed body upon body by the thousands into the furnaces. No, we just knock over dictators to put another dictator in, one friendly to our interests.
Yeah, luckily knocking over dictators is completely bloodless, oh wait,
Several estimates based on randomly selected household surveys estimate the approximate numbers of civilians killed, injured, and made sick due to war. These surveys place the total death count among Iraqis in the hundreds of thousands, including nonviolent or indirect deaths.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/iraqi
And who the fuck modded you +1 anyway? Your post smacks of arrogant ignorance!
While you might not be among the absolute worst history has to offer, you are closing in from behind way to fast for you to get on your high horse. And the irony of you calling someone arrogant and ignorant...
The US Senate, including Republican senator Lindsay Grahm and his pals, told Trump early on that if he "interfered" in the Justice Department (i.e. if he does the job of a president and runs a department that's under his authority, like all other presidents are allowed to do) they will impeach him.
As a result, there are very few Trump people in the Department of justice. His first AG (Sessions) recused himself immediately on takling office under the "advice" of the Obama people still running the DOJ ethics team (still staffed by Obama people 2 years into the Trump admin). The new AG (Barr) who just replaced sessions is an old establishment Republican who was AG under Bush. The Deputy AG (Rosenstein) was serving Obama until Trump appointed him to his position at the insistence of Senators, only to have Rosensteing recomment Trump fire Comey for misconduct, and then Rosenstein assigned Meuller to investigate Trump for firing Comey! (Note: Comey, Rosenstein, Meuller and Barr are all close personal friends).
Manning is being swepped-up into the Wikileaks hunt as part of the Obama team effort to get rid of Trump.
The current DOJ is TECHNICALLY Trump's, but it's really not Trump's at all --- it's still Obama's and it's still engaged in a slow-motion attempted coup. Democrats are cheering all this lawlessness as they keep hoping it will wipe-out the hated Trumpster. Warning to "progressives": Just like Obama's far-reaching executive orders and emergency declarations (which I and others warned you about) this attempt by Obama's team to stay in power and attempt a coup of the following administration is setting all sorts of precedents that WILL be used against your side in the future.
Plenty of good men and women did get killed, because murderous fucks didn't follow the rules of engagement. Exposing this is absolutely the right thing to do.
I'm also former military. I was not the sort of man or leader they want. I have massive gripes with the military and it has issues that seriously impair its ability to deliver on its mission. For the record I rec'd an honorable discharge and had high evaluations in the later part of my career, they wanted me to re-enlist.
Nothing that manning did would even come close to fixing those issues and he started throwing major red flags in boot camp before he would even be exposed to the military's failures. Then he had several instances where he should have been discharged or at least had his clearance yanked. Like slicing 'help me' into a pillow Eventually he physically assaulted a lesbian of a higher rank which he referred to as "punching a dyke in the phace". For this incident he received no punishment but was relieved of his duties. Finally.
But for whatever reason they neglected to reassign him into TPU or remove his clearance. The army's mistake was allowing him to sit around all day warzing and talking to celebrity hackers on the internet. His wikileaks submissions were an attempt to get cred and he bragged to lmao in an attempt to impress him for romantic purposes.
Of course more often than not celebrity hackers are actually paid informants and the rest is history.
The military also has problems with lgbt people... it's true. Manning was one of the people making the problem, he's selfish as a MTF transperson he frequently said sexist and homophobic statements about lesbians. You think that the sorts of people who would have normally come to manning's rescue felt like lifting a finger when he was crying about being denied hormones in leavenworth? Basically his conduct had one thing or another to alienate pretty much the entire military no matter who you are.
This is why his attorney staged incidents intended to make headlines in the outside and engage people who didn't know better.
Also if it matters I have hated trump since at least 2015. I thought at the time that he was full of shit and pandering because there is no way anyone could get through his life being that fucking stupid.
Now post-election I've learned that he's actually even dumber than I thought originally. I'm impressed by our government's ability to function on autopilot and route around the damage.
I don't feel super strong about his cowardly actions because I've had decades of republican chickenhawking to leave me jaded and indifferent. If you're upset you should go out of your way to publicly insult their masculinity. Be creative, they hate having to reconcile their rugged self-image with the reality that they're overweight, spoiled and afraid of their own shadows. If it were up to me I'd relieve trump and manning of their duties and crazy glue them asscrack-to-asscrack naked, let them free, and call it even.
But it's up to you the great dumb masses who seem to have a hard time judging character before accepting your heros.
The Cherokee, Hopi and Lakota domestically in the 18th and 19th century.
In the 20th one could argue that there was an effort underway to do so to black Americans as part of the eugenics movement before World War Two made it unfashionable.
Even still the forced sterilizations lasted until the 70s.
In terms of foreign entanglements, we don't have a specific policy of genocide but we certainly don't seem to mind Israel turning Gaza in to a Concentration Camp or colonizing the West Bank.
During Vietnam we basically waged chemical warfare and tried to defolate the Jungle and Rice paddies.
It is more fair to say the US occasionally aides in and sometimes commits a crime against humanity.
Sieg heil means hail victory. Who was victorious in that war? THE ALLIES. So what victory are you hailing? Remember: Allies TWO, Germany ZERO.
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He didn't expose any such thing, as you well know. Idiots love to pretend that he exposed war crimes, but nobody has given a single example of anything in the released documents which would qualify. I'm sure some dickhead will link to the helicopter video as an example, but that incident has already been discussed to death and I have no desire to rehash it yet again.
Shit deflection there, moron. What is the sex of an XX Male Syndrome human? That you cannot and did not answer goes to show your simplistic idiocy does not comport to reality.
That you refuse to see reality shows you are insane.
Yes, it was offtopic.
But now that the question has been asked, perhaps you'll answer it?
REALITY does not have your simplistic idiotic minded fake binary choice. No definition you give will work to fit all and every person into just male or female, but you refuse to let reality affect your ideology and therefore you are not one who cares about what's real, only how you feel. And people changing genders (even in cases where the doctor got it wrong on the birth cirtificate have had a gender change from what their legal gender was) terrifies you.
It's called "gender reassignment surgery" and it is carried out thousands of times a year. Only delusional lunatics such as yourself do not believe somethjing that happens thousands of times a year is impossible and can never happen.
That you cannot and will not answer shows that your idiotic claims about simple binary gender (because your brain cannot handle complexity beyond a simple two option choice) do not fit with reality.
Either Chelsea Manning cannot change gender therefore she was always female, but mislabeled before, or she can change. No case exists where she is not now a female. That you have to make claims about some factor like a fucking half-bred ignoramus and insist it makes reality and cannot change but, when some case doesn't fit your catastrophically limited assertion, you have to go "but that doesn't count!!!". Look up "special pleading", ask a grown up for help with the big words.
But I guess she really likes jail. I mean, you could both lie under oath and get away with it, or even tell the truth and know that it won't make shit difference on the opinion of the government (which in the US, has been proven to be the entity that controls justice) about Wikileaks. Even so, Chelsea prefers to go back to jail. Somebody needs to tell Chelsea that it's already too late to trust in heroic actions against that state.
Absolutely.
And while we're at it, let's ask why black males are 6% of the population, but 52% of the murderers?
More black babies have been killed by abortion since 1985 than people who were killed in every genocide of the last 200 years.
I hope that some day you will understand the error of your ways as well as the true ramifications of the hateful words you speak. Until then, and after, I will pray for you.
As an Army veteran myself
This speaks volumes to your mindset and motivations. You are a brainwashed, bootlicking, wannabe murderer. Fuck you and fuck your military.
My father was in a German death camp and later a Russian gulag for wanting to go to Israel. When I asked him why he didn't want to move to the US when he married an American here in Israel, he said everything in American politics feels like Nazi Germany circa 38' just waiting to explode and he specifically pointed to how the blacks are treated and to Vietnam.
This was almost 60 years ago when I was just a kid. But you'd hear similar opinions from Israeli Shoa survivors all the time.
I hope that some day you will understand the error of your ways as well as the true ramifications of the hateful words you speak.
Sometimes reality sucks.
Nothing justifies your disregard for objective reality. Demonizing those who speak it is harmful to society. It matters not who is "offended" by truth.
Until then, and after, I will pray for you.
God does not exist.
who cares. there are children starving in africa. thats far more important.
Some interesting stuff from Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin
In his most recent edition of The Great Terror (2007), [British historian Robert] Conquest states that while exact numbers may never be known with complete certainty, at least 15 million people were killed "by the whole range of Soviet regime's terrors".[64] Rudolph Rummel in 2006 said that the earlier higher victim total estimates are correct, although he includes those killed by the government of the Soviet Union in other Eastern European countries as well.[65][66] Conversely, J. Arch Getty, Stephen G. Wheatcroft and others insist that the opening of the Soviet archives has vindicated the lower estimates put forth by "revisionist" scholars.[67][68] [British historian] Simon Sebag Montefiore in 2003 suggested that Stalin was ultimately responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
I'm sure they can find the the skeletons of bodies Trump had dumped in the Atlantic Ocean during his casino empire gig.
The police told you to stay away from all public parks and schools, right?
I guess your right
The shitclown jacks off to beastality pics. My bad.
Fuck the Jews, they weren't even the biggest victims of the holocaust: total death toll estimates are 17-21 million, Jews made up only 6million. The majority of the rest were gypsies (Roma) and homosexuals, but you don't hear them banging on about it like the Jews do.
So, who got killed? Do you have actual names, or are you running with the old talking point that has been disproved since 2010?
The holocaust count was not 6 million. You have fallen for Jewish propaganda where they claim they were the hardest hit by the holocaust. They weren't.
The holocaust death toll was 17-21 million, only 6 million of which were Jews. The rest were gypsies (Roma), homosexuals, disabled, and "others". The Jews were not even the largest group affected, that poor fate befalls the gypsies.
Now, the parent poster assumed you knew what you were talking about, and pointed out that "double" would mean 40 million.
Why don't you do us all a favour, make a cup of tea, and sit down with the holocaust Wikipedia page (there may be a specific one regarding the death toll) and read it. Read it all. You'll learn a lot.
A fetus isn't a baby. Not even you racist dumbfucks believe that, as you don't have funerals for miscarriages at 13 weeks or earlier - when most abortions are performed.
You're being silly.
How many massacres has the US government committed against it's own citizens? OK now how many of those were of MORE THAN 10 MILLION PEOPLE?
That would be the difference.
By that you must mean the gay white nationalists association?
A smear campaign about what happened very much earlier. Everybody stays recruit, nobody leaves or is removed? That is dishonest as shit!
There is the personal choice, and rising above poverty if one can help it.
What other's - that hack Daniel Dumbshit-Berg? To digress for a moment, I've always been ambivalent on Joe Rogan's standup comedy, days on Fear Factor, fight commentary, and most of his podcast guests....but his interview of Bari Weiss of the New York Times was pure gold. She called Tulsi Gabbard an "Assad toady", but wasn't able to substantiate her accusation. Or define the word. Or even spell it.
Now, you can obviously spell the word "ego". And you might be able to define it. But the rest is reaching your fingers to the back of your mouth to regurgitate some character assassination you heard somewhere. Just like Bari Weiss. If Assange was 'in it for himself', he would have sold the cables given to Wikileaks by Manning to any number of state intelligence agencies around the planet, and be living on his own island in the Bahamas right now. With blackjack. And hookers.
Pressin those fingers down, hard, on the back of your tongue. Manning was bothered by war crimes and illegal wars, something Manning and Assange haters absolutely DGAF about. And she tried raising her concerns "through the appropriate channels" and was ignored. Which left leaking as her only choice, or stay silent and complicit in an illegal invasion and occupation.
As a member of the Army, you took an Oath of Enlistment to defend the Constitution of the United States, not neocon war criminals. Manning was upholding that oath, and is an infinitely better soldier and human being than you ever were or will be.
If the ";od" (extra small "G") the Jesus freaks worship and hate for turns out to be real, and is even more of a psychopath* than the Bible makes him out to be.
They get to burn in hell as both Satan and God laugh while jerking off to their pain, and send their jizz down on to their agonized faces.
*here you go: https://evilbible.com - exposes all of the horrors and hypocracy of Christianity, taken straight from the Bible itself.
"Boooo hoooooo hooooo fag"
What the fuck are you, 8 years old or something?
Get off of mommy's computer and brush your yellowed teeth.
You don't need a smear campaign to expose Manning. Just read through IRC logs of him talking. You can see for yourself just how much of a piece of shit he is by his own statements. As an example, in spite of being LGBT himself, he is often found making sexist statements against lesbians, and even bragged about "punching a dyke in the place" (his words.)
If Assange was 'in it for himself', he would have sold the cables given to Wikileaks by Manning to any number of state intelligence agencies around the planet, and be living on his own island in the Bahamas right now.
I see you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Think about it, if he turned these documents over to any government entities, you bet your ass that he wouldn't be allowed to talk about it. He wants fame, not secluded islands. How the fuck would he get that?
Besides, after he turned over the first document, the leaker would distrust him after it doesn't show up on WikiLeaks, and instead of fame, he'd get infamy.
Dumbass.
I'm not one for whaboutism, but you may as well ask me about millions of other draft dodgers while you're bringing irrelevant people into the topic. Really, I don't care at all about them, neither do I care about Trump, over any issue at all. They, along with deserters, don't really mean anything to me. They didn't try to get their fellow soldiers killed. I would think more of Manning if he simply deserted instead.
Hell if I know, but you're a fucking moron if you think indiscriminately leaking classified documents to unknown third parties doesn't put military personnel at risk. That's not a talking point, it's just a fact, before and after 2010.
Wikileaks and Assange lost their credibility the minute they started managing the dissemination of the information sent to them for publication. Wikileaks mandate was to provide a platform so people could anonymously publish information. That's it. And they have certainly failed to keep the information submitters anonymous.
When Assange went around trying to dictate the terms of release to the major media outlets his credibility was gone.
Wikileaks doesn't come close to the level of cherry picking the people releasing the Snowden documents conduct. Their political leanings are front and center and out of the millions of documents in their possession they have only released the documents which support their political ideology and damage their political adversaries.
we don't have a specific policy of genocide but we certainly don't seem to mind Israel turning Gaza in to a Concentration Camp or colonizing the West Bank.
lol
Well clearly you're someone to be taken very seriously on this subject ...
The Cherokee, Hopi and Lakota domestically in the 18th and 19th century.
I think if genocide was the end goal, the trail of tears wouldn't have been a thing, they would have just killed them instead.
In the 20th one could argue that there was an effort underway to do so to black Americans as part of the eugenics movement before World War Two made it unfashionable.
The eugenics movement (outside of Europe) wasn't about race so much as it was about making sure undesirable people, such as drug users, didn't procreate. Prominent black people were participants in it, namely they wanted to improve the image of the black race by sterilizing blacks who were "immoral".
In terms of foreign entanglements, we don't have a specific policy of genocide but we certainly don't seem to mind Israel turning Gaza in to a Concentration Camp or colonizing the West Bank.
I recall Israel pulling their own people out of the West Bank, including people who lived there before Israel became a thing again. And you might to look up the definition of a concentration camp.
During Vietnam we basically waged chemical warfare and tried to defolate the Jungle and Rice paddies.
I don't think you know much about the Vietnam war. The US didn't wage anything, that whole mess started with France (along with scores of other messes in other countries, up to and including slavery.) If you want to talk about crimes against humanity, go read about the origins of the Hanoi Hilton.
The way back machine has to know about a website before it can archive it. You should leave the thinking to those of us who can.
Actually, the US Army inadvertantly teaches you to have a low first impressions of any new authority figure by default. After you run into so many bad leaders and really dumb spec-5s and 6s, and 90-day-wonder-what-to-do butterbars, you tend to take the idea of heirarchy less seriously than you did before taking the oath.
Be honest with yourself. Abortion is about killing your own baby.
I'm not even anti-abortion. But I think we need to be honest about what abortion really is.
Go visit Vietnam sometime. It's a beautiful country, and despite our history of war the people are surprisingly friendly to Americans.
But you WILL see the lasting effects of Agent Orange. Vietnam has one of the highest rates in the world of people born handicapped. Sometimes you see some really horrible deformities, and it's painful even to look. It's a sad sad undercurrent in an otherwise cheerful and prosperous place.
Meth-addled nutjobs sure do hate President Trump.
Pedo troll sure does love projecting his own weird sexual proclivities onto those with whom he disagrees.
No Jackass, if the soldiers weren't killing innocent people, we wouldn't have to deal with this. Please sterilize yourself.
It's kind of obvious that you're living in the deep end, so I'm not going to bother with most of your post. However, it seems you think I'm a neocon or at least know someone who is. Nothing can be further from the truth.
Unlike you, I don't let political affiliations define who I am or what I believe in. Terms like left and right only have any relevance in France, where they originated. Here in the US, these terms only lead to confusion and division. Speaking very honestly, I have Republicans call me a liberal, and Democrats call me a conservative, both very often. When either gets to know me a little, they call me moderate or libertarian. I am neither of these things; I have strong opinions on many issues, and I believe that capitalism doesn't work without regulation and laws (and I am very anti-socialism and anti-communism.)
But continue with your "us vs them" mentality if it makes you happy.
Let me leave this here for ya all. We do have smartphones....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
Manning is a self obsessed basket case who betrayed his country because of psychological issues and personal grievances with the army. Refusing to testify in front of a grand jury is not some heroic act. It's just a furtherance of what went before. Rot in jail.
"Chelsea" does not exist.
So, you are denying the reality that legal name changes exist.
And yes I will be sent to -5 by the far leftists I don't even know why I read this site anymore.
Far leftists, i.e. enyone from moderately right of centre leftwards. If you want to get likes for your blatantly stupid bigotry, then head to Gab.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The US didn't wage anything? Are you serious?
Except not. Because if Stalin had actually killed 40 millions, then, together with the losses in WW2, the USSR population would have been halved.
That's assuming he rounded up 40 million people and killed them all at once, which is a really stupid assumption. Stalin was in power for 33 years; had he killed 1.2 million per year it would not have come close to halving the population as long as the birth rate was fairly high (which it was).
Anyway, no it wasn't 40 million; the accepted figure is somewhere between 15 and 20 million. Which is obviously so much better.
At least you aren't as ridiculous as some people who insist that Stalin has killed 100 millions of soviet citizens because adding the WW2 losses that would be about all of them.
You're the one being ridiculous; that 100 million is a figure attributed to communism as a whole, not Stalin specifically, and not the USSR alone.
The Jews were not even the largest group affected, that poor fate befalls the gypsies.
That's just complete horseshit. The most widely accepted estimate for Roma holocaust deaths is less than 220,000. Some historians have argued that the actual number is up to 1.5 million, but even if you credulously accept that estimate it is still nowhere near the number of Jews killed.
The largest single group would actually be "soviet civilians", though the number is close enough to the number of Jews killed that it's not really worth differentiating. The big difference, of course, is that Nazi Germany did not have a stated policy of exterminating soviet civilians; their deaths were mostly (though far from solely) a result of being used as slave labour for the German war machine. That doesn't make their deaths any less tragic, but it does put them in a different category than those like Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and the disabled, who were specifically targeted for extermination.
Wow there's a lot of people short of reasoning here. To summarise:
>>> Your a moran XY means Male
>> Existence of [insert one of many conditions] proves that is not always true
> Nuh uh doesn't count.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Does Manning have any of those conditions?
Utterly irrelevant.
The original claim is XY means male. The existence of those conditions proves beyond any doubt that XY is not the same as male, because there exist cases of XY where people are clearly, indisputably not male.
What you're trying to do is muddy to waters so the original claim of "XY is male" stands while hedging like hell.
Allowing people to live a lie that they are some other gender than what they were born is not good for their own mental health
Allowing people to not believe in Jesus will make them go to hell. We must convert them for their own good.
Thing is you're stating an opinion as if it were fact because you WANT to believe it's true, not because it is true. The evidence is very mixed. you claiming it as a known fact is you imposing your considerable biases.
What I want to know is why you care so much?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Those facts, you mean.
The fact is that you're an idiot who seems to think that IBM was part of the US government.
Waiting to explode for 60 years so far, apparently. But it'll happen! Any day now!
Whatever the fuck it is
We paid for your education, your health care, and your salary. You work for us. We will tell you what to think about military issues, not the other way around.
I don't think you can be a whistleblower without a spiteful character. 99% of all people won't have the guts to do it. You probably wouldn't either - I'm sure I wouldn't. It's just too easy to be quiet and comply, when the alternative is the full force of the government.
I would ask for it in writing, after which I would be quite happy to answer all of their questions. If they subsequently tried to charge me with anything I would laugh in their faces after the judge threw it out of court.
The comparison you're trying to draw is flawed because grand jury proceeding do not include the defendant. That's really the primary reason why there's no defense lawyer present; because the jury is not interested in hearing from the defendant at all. It's not a case of the defendant being forced to speak without his lawyer, but rather a case of the defendant not even being invited to the proceedings. Ergo your question is irrelevant; a more apt comparison would have been to ask "what would you say if the police didn't take you to the station?".
that a hole in the constitution is compelling people to testify, yeah the fifth amendment protects you from self incrimination, but I feel like the one sort of natural right any person should have is the right to do or say nothing at all, and having that right would implicitly get around some other issues that come up from time to time like people being afraid to testify for fear of reprisal, journalists being forced to reveal sources, and so on
I mean we've agreed that the right to remain silent is appropriate when questioned by cops, why doesn't it apply in court?
btw to be clear, I do think it would have to be limited in one sense. It would have to be all or nothing. Like you couldn't take the stand, say what you want and then refuse to answer cross examination. In that sense similar to the way a person doesn't have to testify in his own defense but if he does, then he's open to cross.
You're right. You should be executed.
Like Picard, he
https://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789
min 40 upwards 49 million
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2...
You don't mean this black guy, that paid 2 other black guys to beat him up and use it to claim racism? Because he is right there is a racist to be seen here. His name is Jussie Smollett.
I have no problems with a man that wants to suck dick. So long as they do not try to accost or molest me there would be no difference in the way I treat them. Hell my best friend and I walked into the house one day to catch his dad in a dress. We all laughed and now its a joke. When the man that wants to suck dick chops his own off and demands I treat him as a woman and tried to demonize me because I say I would never have sex with him. That's when the issues start and I will no longer treat them with the respect I previously would have. A man that cuts his dick off is not a woman. A woman who sews some extra skin onto their clit does not make them a man. No matter how much you want it to happen, it is scientifically proven that it CAN NOT happen. Please stick to science and truth on a forum for nerds who care about Science and Truth. However lacking that may seem around here lately, please don't make it worse.
The fact is that you're an idiot who seems to think that IBM was part of the US government.
The USA knew what IBM was doing. They also knew Alcoa was selling Aluminum, and they knew about the corporation selling the fuel (used to have a nice reference for him) etc. And it also knew that the holocaust was occurring, but delayed entry into the war so that everyone else would be at a disadvantage, having been bombed repeatedly. Japan wasn't getting bombed, though, so we did it. Then we were in the ideal position to domination manufacturing for quite some years, which is where the prosperity that the boomers enjoyed came from.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
No, just a military industrial complex that feeds soldiers into a meat grinder (Vietnam) for the sake of philosophical differences or selling more weapons (Iraq, Yemen). Not to mention thousands of Iraqi civilians.
I can't speak for the person who you asked, but my answer is: I feel far better about that person than someone who only presents the bad aspects of a person, in the worse possible light, and expects someone to make a judgement call of the person as a whole.
Feel free to include that he doesn't call out military baby killers, he's actually handling the abortion that is the VHA, and seems to be uncuffing our military as far as the insane ROI they've been under?
This panicked claim again. What is your problem? Male/Female is not nearly as definite as you insecure idiots claim.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
And âoeknows more than any of my generals.â Because he spent time in military school. Because normal boarding school âoewasnâ(TM)t working out.â By and large, military school is full of upper-class delinquents, not military geniuses.
You mean certain crimes were selectively prosecuted as murders versus other forms of crime resulting in death; tried by possibly racist juries, defended by racist public defenders and resulting in statistically much longer sentences, just because a guy had dark skin. We sent a lot of innocent men to jail for decades, or a death sentence, who were 100% innocent, who matched a junkieâ(TM)s description of âoeblack guy with a hoodie.â If that doesnâ(TM)t make your blood boil, youâ(TM)re probably living in the wrong country.
The USA knew what IBM was doing. They also knew Alcoa was selling Aluminum, and they knew about the corporation selling the fuel (used to have a nice reference for him) etc.
Who exactly in the US knew this, when, and why does it matter? Everyone did business with Nazi Germany. Throughout the 1930s even Palestinian Jews were importing goods from Germany. England and France continued doing business with them right up until the outbreak of war. Spain and Italy, of course, continued doing so long after, along with many other European nations. Of what significance is it, exactly, that some American businesses acted the same as businesses in most other nations?
And it also knew that the holocaust was occurring, but delayed entry into the war so that everyone else would be at a disadvantage, having been bombed repeatedly.
Historical revisionism at it's finest. No historian of any note believes anything remotely like this. The US entry into the war was delayed by domestic political bickering. However, even before their official entry into the war, the US was providing massive shipments to Europe in support of her allies, as well as engaging in naval battles against German vessels. You're making up complete nonsense.
Of course you won't criticize the USSR for signing a neutrality pact with the Nazis, since commies are your kind of people. Nor would you criticize the Swedes for remaining neutral throughout the war, because that's just not a popular position. But you're more than happy to make up nonsense about the USA because you're a Brave Peoples Warrior attacking those eeeeevil capitalists, and truth doesn't matter when you have righteousness on your side.
I donâ(TM)t judge anybody who refuses to serve out of principal. But the rich guys whose parents kept them out of Vietnam are disproportionately likely to send other peopleâ(TM)s kids to die in Glorious War. Look at Bush and the Chickenhawk club attacking John Kerry. His rich family could have kept him out of the war. Instead he asked for the #1 most dangerous job - river boat patrol - and got wounded several times. F the Swift Boaters.
So no examples? The fad lately is to classify everything, especially the embarrassing stuff. Iâ(TM)ve never heard of any specific documents Manning released that revealed operational stuff. I honestly donâ(TM)t know enough about Manningâ(TM)s case to judge his motives.
Very lame attempt to try to shift your own pedo tendenies on somebody else.
Remember, you need to stay at least 1,000 feet away from all parks and schools.
..I want to see Donald Trump strapped down, put in a torture mask, and rifle-butted in the jaw while being kicked in the crotch.
Fuck, if that kind of war broke out, I will loot everything in site, and beat up everybody I don't like.
So, what is your current body count? Or did you stop counting already?
Let me try. Keep in mind that the 'the winner writes the history', and 'enemy' side casualties were reported by 'winners' and thus most likely way reduced, and this does not include the 'nice long lasting consequences' war has on region and world:
- 1. Hiroshima/Nagasaki 300k + get off scott free for Japanese war criminals (unit 731)
- 2. various 'little wars' around the world to help boost your economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency#History
Iran, Guatemala, Korea,Syria, Kongo,Vietnam, Chile, typical way of operation
- what happened to your own president who didnt obey and engage vietnam in 1963?
- 3. Gulf war 1991: 125k (typical display how war/oil industry that powers America works)
- 4. War on iraq 2003: 50k
- 5. Overthrow in Libya (6k)
- 6. War in syria (began as response to oppressive regimes and a low standard of living and we all know who likes to play "destabilise the region so we can liberate it later" game ) 500k killed, 5+ million refugees with political consequences in EU ( rise of right wing populist parties)
- general 'echonomic asshole' behaviour leeching/exploiting by corporations of underdeveloped countries who can't defend themselves well - one of most extreme examples would be Bhopal 1986
- in general pretending to 'police' the whole world, whoever doesn't play by your rules gets punished
You get to few million if you sum it all up (and those were the lucky ones, they died 'quickly'). Now lets add a few 10 million of those who get to live in the 'paradise' created by war. So yes, you are definitely not "running a machine of death where we feed body upon body by the thousands into the furnaces". Your country is nothing more then war/predatory economy complex with fake elections - doesn't matter who 'wins' - policies don't change much.
From a legal standpoint Hitler was duly elected and became the dictator of Germany via legal means.
Revisionist fool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrielleneingabe
And yet, you raise it. It is far from the sole example of civilian massacre by US forces though, as you well know. Idiots love to pretend that their military can do no wrong, but of course there is that group of dickheads who don't place any value on brown lives and treat rules of engagement as a bureaucracy that doesn't apply to them. Perhaps you're not one of those, gunner, but you feel obliged to stand up for your murderous pals. Shame on you.
Of course you won't criticize the USSR for signing a neutrality pact with the Nazis, since commies are your kind of people. Nor would you criticize the Swedes for remaining neutral throughout the war, because that's just not a popular position.
I'd have criticized those things if the USSR or Sweden were the subject, but they aren't. That's why that shit is whataboutism. Maybe not skipping your meds would help you stay on topic?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Wow, that's some savage self delusion
Except they didn't rig any elections (just their own primary, pretty slimy but not in same league as what Rs do), haven't done or said anything anti-semitic, and don't kill babies. But you're right about the censorship. 1/4, not bad for a fuckwit.
Maybe not skipping your meds would help you stay on topic?
Says the cunt whining about US companies as a response to someone saying that the US is nothing like Nazi Germany.
Says the cunt whining about US companies as a response to someone saying that the US is nothing like Nazi Germany.
Sounds like you don't know that corporations were much of the problem in Nazi Germany. Your ignorance knows no bounds, including national boundaries.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
a man can never be a woman. a woman can never be a man.
Amongst all the stupid things you've said over the years, blaming German companies for the holocaust has got to be by far the stupidest. Fuck off.
A fetus isn't a fucking baby. Jesus Christ. This isn't hard.
Why do you care what other people do with their bodies? You are an over age male. Fuck off.
Keep moving the goalpost faggot.
Is that why you idiots blindly follow orders and never get to question what you are told? The militaries fucking job is to break you down, brainwash you, and make you never question their leadership. That is the job of boot camp. Everyone I know who's been has said this to me. Including half my fucking family.
Keep lying to yourself, you've done it all up and down this thread.
He's right tho. My sister was killed by a white guy and I totally didn't care. Like, it's all good bruh, just keep it in the race. If some darkie pulled that shit though ... off with his head!
I don't care what people do wirh their bodies. I also don't care what they do with black people. Neither one of those affects me in the slightest, so it's all good.
The US tried to clean up the French mess. The USSR took it as an opportunity to fuck up the country even more, just to fuck with America.
I'm glad we could all get this lesson on what the military is from a guy who never served.
Best estimates are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
While the parent poster was incorrect about the largest group of victims, they were 100% correct in pointing out that the death toll is substantially higher than the 6 million figure. The objection being that due to Jewish exceptionalism the 6 million figure is so often misrepresented as the total death toll, when it is obviously not.
Jury nullification is useless in this case. Contempt of court is an end run around any civic rights one may have. No jury, no defense, just one judge with the ability to send you to prison for the rest of your life.
Which he was already convicted of and punished for. If you actually read what you were replying to, you would understand that op was implying Chelsea had no further contact with wiki leaks that she/he hadn't already testified on.
That paranoid ego-inflated rapist is using these fake allegations of a "US grand jury" to run from his rape crimeS.
We all know that because it was said so many times here in Slashdot.
You’re kidding, meth addled is Trumps base.
He can call himself whatever he wants, but no fantasy can change his biological sex.
What a load of bollocks. You were there for 19 years. Your government faked an attack on one of their ships to justify an invasion. Stop blaming other people.
That's because it wasn't stupid enough to serve. All the military does is run around the world causing problems.
I shit on you and every other military scumbag in existence. You're just a bunch of idiotic cowards and trouble-making children and I'd happily cave your skull in if I ever met you.
Be honest. How many funerals has your church held for miscarriages under 13 weeks? How many families even named them? It's also easy to show how full of shit anti-abortionists are by a simple application of the Trolly Problem.
I see you're a projectionist.
He'd be talking to models about it (without getting too specific). While they were giving him blow jobs. You know, if he was just in it for himself.
Shit for brains.
its not because of what he did then its because of what hes doing now
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Her.
You fucking gendertroll.