20, 30 years ago, people would have said exactly the same thing about having computers that you could carry around with you in a bag, rather than leave sitting taking up an entire room or even floor.
Ah, I see from another comment that the clause in question is optional, and merely gives authors the ability to require that the source of a web service they create be downloadable from anyone hosting it.
That's an entirely different proposition, and one that I have no problem with.
He's saying that he does not see that transmitting the HTML generated by phpBB is the same as transmitting the actual source of phpBB itself.
As I can see a possible objection to that (that the HTML is most likely part of phpBB's source, and so you are in fact transmitting a modified portion of it with each page view), let me put it another way.
Say someone writes a templating system and web framework, and releases it under the GPL. Say further that I use that system, create my own templates, and make a web site. The only thing that is being distributed is the output of the GPLed code; the code itself sits on a single webserver, not being distributed anywhere.
In what sense is the transmission of my HTML equivalent to transmitting the source of the framework?
Here at home, FF has been running about 10 minutes, currently has 6 tabs open, and is using 56meg of RAM.
At work, it's been running for a couple of days, and is using 161meg.
I generally have to kill FF every few days due to the amount of RAM it uses. Now, I tend to go through tabs like nobody's business and have a couple of extensions installed (although not *that* many), so perhaps I'm not the typical user. However, just because *you* get it to run in next to no RAM on a POS machine doesn't mean the rest of us can.
Only because almost no-one has any interest in attacking them. Were there organised groups actively seeking to do them harm, that would be a rather different story.
Generally speaking, criminals are understood to lose some of their rights. Common "inalienable" rights include the right to liberty, which is clearly lost by a good number of convicted criminals.
The only question is whether or not this temporary indentured servitude is taking the concept too far. On the face of it, I don't think it is, but I've not had a great deal of time to spend thinking about it.
If you don't want a comment moderated, I'd suggest using the guy's email address next time. Anything posted here is fair game (yes, including this - karma is irrelevant anyway).
Hell a few TV sets with moving content would do it for most of the ADHD cattle out there.
Here in the UK, my local Tescos have both put small LCD TVs up in some of the aisles, advertising products available in the aisle in which they're in. The Tesco Metro (small cut-down version, selling the basics) near my office has a couple of large LCD TVs suspended over the checkout lanes, generally playing a news channel, sometimes sport or music videos.
They signed me up for the $89 3M plan, when I asked for the Lite
I suspect that that would make any contract between you null and void, if you notified them quickly enough, requested that they supply the service you contracted for and they refused.
Contracts involve considerations on both parties, and they're not delivering their end of it; they're in breach of the contract.
Well, here in the UK I have half a dozen or so mobile phone providers, plus a couple of dozen companies that resell service from one of these with their own packages tacked on.
the bust was designed to make as much of a public stir as possible
Perhaps; or perhaps they had only just gathered sufficient evidence to arrest him, and decided to bring him in as quickly as possible, but that it didn't warrant a potential high-speed pursuit if they tried to get him in transit.
Right now, we don't really have enough information to draw any conclusions.
Another good hint is when developers have to "port" their application from their own desktop to work properly on the test server.
In 6 or so years of doing server-side Java development, I have never needed to do that, nor have I ever heard of anyone needing to do so. I humbly suggest that if someone does find themselves needing to do so, they've done something very wrong.
People who object to Sun's non-open license create a from-scratch implementation of Java
But they can't call it Java, as that's a trademark owned by Sun, and so merely have a runtime that's nominally compatible with Java.
In that situation there is a danger that people will start using it in preference to the real Java, as "it's practically the same, only better (in $ways)", but then that's a danger posed by.NET or any other similar technology.
But then the agreement would most likely allow the other party to copy that implementation - any advantage gained would be purely temporary.
True, that would spur further innovation, but then so does proprietary tech that the other company can't have at all - they still have to innovate to compete.
When commenting, logging in, etc was broken here a week or so ago, we didn't even get an official announcement about it after the fact, let alone a "hopefully all will be fixed by..." page.
I don't know whether or not alzheimer's is related to CJD, but what we call BSE when a cow has it becomes CJD when a human catches it (or more correctly, new variant CJD).
a) some arcanely stupid matrix function jobspec rule created by HR
Been there, done that. However, we failed to get HR to tell us what categories we'd been assigned to; the best we got was to be given a copy of the rating system so we could decide where we thought we sat, with a promise that we'd have some feedback - feedback that never came, of course.
b) 10% less than his boss
Prior to the jobspec matrix, we were told by our MD that we earnt as much as, or in some cases more than, some middle- to senior managers in other parts of the company, and that that would never do.
Fortunately, our MD has since realised that actually, perhaps we deserve the money we're paid, and that going too long without a pay rise and in worsening conditions is liable to make people think very seriously about quitting, and that with the hiring freeze on it's a lot, lot easier to pay us a decent wage, HR and middle managers be damned.
While I agree with your analysis on the most part, it is entirely possible that they *did* figure out things that their customers want, but it took the various law suits and potential for more to force them to actually implement those things.
Do not make the mistake of thinking that MS is full of stupid people; they know exactly what they're doing. Just because their aims and methods are not ours doesn't make them any less able.
Now as for the price of the additional rocket fuel (not included in the $15M) is a completely different matter. Now that is, literally. burning money.
I'm not entirely convinced of that; as others have said, the fuel had to come from somewhere, and people were paid to extract it, refine it, transport it, etc, all of which also required equipment, that in turn was manufactured from components and base materials that were produced by other people, etc.
On top of that, no fuel, no $15m space walk; you can easily view it as an enabler, or a pre-requisite. Either way, while you are burning the end product of the money, the money itself hasn't just been burnt. *You* have converted it into fuel; those who supplied the fuel will have converted (most of) it into something else entirely.
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20, 30 years ago, people would have said exactly the same thing about having computers that you could carry around with you in a bag, rather than leave sitting taking up an entire room or even floor.
Ah, I see from another comment that the clause in question is optional, and merely gives authors the ability to require that the source of a web service they create be downloadable from anyone hosting it.
That's an entirely different proposition, and one that I have no problem with.
He's saying that he does not see that transmitting the HTML generated by phpBB is the same as transmitting the actual source of phpBB itself.
As I can see a possible objection to that (that the HTML is most likely part of phpBB's source, and so you are in fact transmitting a modified portion of it with each page view), let me put it another way.
Say someone writes a templating system and web framework, and releases it under the GPL. Say further that I use that system, create my own templates, and make a web site. The only thing that is being distributed is the output of the GPLed code; the code itself sits on a single webserver, not being distributed anywhere.
In what sense is the transmission of my HTML equivalent to transmitting the source of the framework?
I love the way it ends, too:
Dalek: The Daleks do not identify themselves!
Cybermam: You have identified yourselves as the Daleks...
You can almost hear the Dalek thinking "Oh, bugger".
I love anecdotal evidence.
Here at home, FF has been running about 10 minutes, currently has 6 tabs open, and is using 56meg of RAM.
At work, it's been running for a couple of days, and is using 161meg.
I generally have to kill FF every few days due to the amount of RAM it uses. Now, I tend to go through tabs like nobody's business and have a couple of extensions installed (although not *that* many), so perhaps I'm not the typical user. However, just because *you* get it to run in next to no RAM on a POS machine doesn't mean the rest of us can.
It's not even the logical way. Arbitrary measures risk disposing of people with a great talent or potential who otherwise do not make the cut.
Only because almost no-one has any interest in attacking them. Were there organised groups actively seeking to do them harm, that would be a rather different story.
an egregious violation of human rights
Generally speaking, criminals are understood to lose some of their rights. Common "inalienable" rights include the right to liberty, which is clearly lost by a good number of convicted criminals.
The only question is whether or not this temporary indentured servitude is taking the concept too far. On the face of it, I don't think it is, but I've not had a great deal of time to spend thinking about it.
If you don't want a comment moderated, I'd suggest using the guy's email address next time. Anything posted here is fair game (yes, including this - karma is irrelevant anyway).
Hell a few TV sets with moving content would do it for most of the ADHD cattle out there.
Here in the UK, my local Tescos have both put small LCD TVs up in some of the aisles, advertising products available in the aisle in which they're in. The Tesco Metro (small cut-down version, selling the basics) near my office has a couple of large LCD TVs suspended over the checkout lanes, generally playing a news channel, sometimes sport or music videos.
They signed me up for the $89 3M plan, when I asked for the Lite
I suspect that that would make any contract between you null and void, if you notified them quickly enough, requested that they supply the service you contracted for and they refused.
Contracts involve considerations on both parties, and they're not delivering their end of it; they're in breach of the contract.
Obviously, IANAL, ymmv, etc.
Well, here in the UK I have half a dozen or so mobile phone providers, plus a couple of dozen companies that resell service from one of these with their own packages tacked on.
the bust was designed to make as much of a public stir as possible
Perhaps; or perhaps they had only just gathered sufficient evidence to arrest him, and decided to bring him in as quickly as possible, but that it didn't warrant a potential high-speed pursuit if they tried to get him in transit.
Right now, we don't really have enough information to draw any conclusions.
Another good hint is when developers have to "port" their application from their own desktop to work properly on the test server.
In 6 or so years of doing server-side Java development, I have never needed to do that, nor have I ever heard of anyone needing to do so. I humbly suggest that if someone does find themselves needing to do so, they've done something very wrong.
People who object to Sun's non-open license create a from-scratch implementation of Java
.NET or any other similar technology.
But they can't call it Java, as that's a trademark owned by Sun, and so merely have a runtime that's nominally compatible with Java.
In that situation there is a danger that people will start using it in preference to the real Java, as "it's practically the same, only better (in $ways)", but then that's a danger posed by
Still, anything that makes installs easier is probably a good thing, at least to the average user.
While I agree in principle, generally speaking the average user will not be installing Windows, or any other OS.
What if I want to run Windows 2003 server and XP on the same box for testing purposes?
I don't know about that combination, but when I installed Vista Beta 2 (to a spare hard drive) from within XP, it set it up to dual boot just fine.
But take away his uptime, and he has one less reason to feel superior to his Windows-using friends!
But then the agreement would most likely allow the other party to copy that implementation - any advantage gained would be purely temporary.
True, that would spur further innovation, but then so does proprietary tech that the other company can't have at all - they still have to innovate to compete.
When commenting, logging in, etc was broken here a week or so ago, we didn't even get an official announcement about it after the fact, let alone a "hopefully all will be fixed by..." page.
I don't know whether or not alzheimer's is related to CJD, but what we call BSE when a cow has it becomes CJD when a human catches it (or more correctly, new variant CJD).
a) some arcanely stupid matrix function jobspec rule created by HR
Been there, done that. However, we failed to get HR to tell us what categories we'd been assigned to; the best we got was to be given a copy of the rating system so we could decide where we thought we sat, with a promise that we'd have some feedback - feedback that never came, of course.
b) 10% less than his boss
Prior to the jobspec matrix, we were told by our MD that we earnt as much as, or in some cases more than, some middle- to senior managers in other parts of the company, and that that would never do.
Fortunately, our MD has since realised that actually, perhaps we deserve the money we're paid, and that going too long without a pay rise and in worsening conditions is liable to make people think very seriously about quitting, and that with the hiring freeze on it's a lot, lot easier to pay us a decent wage, HR and middle managers be damned.
While I agree with your analysis on the most part, it is entirely possible that they *did* figure out things that their customers want, but it took the various law suits and potential for more to force them to actually implement those things.
Do not make the mistake of thinking that MS is full of stupid people; they know exactly what they're doing. Just because their aims and methods are not ours doesn't make them any less able.
So what you're saying is, there was something else wrong :)
Now as for the price of the additional rocket fuel (not included in the $15M) is a completely different matter. Now that is, literally. burning money.
I'm not entirely convinced of that; as others have said, the fuel had to come from somewhere, and people were paid to extract it, refine it, transport it, etc, all of which also required equipment, that in turn was manufactured from components and base materials that were produced by other people, etc.
On top of that, no fuel, no $15m space walk; you can easily view it as an enabler, or a pre-requisite. Either way, while you are burning the end product of the money, the money itself hasn't just been burnt. *You* have converted it into fuel; those who supplied the fuel will have converted (most of) it into something else entirely.