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MySpace Down Due To Power Surge
BenelliShooter writes "MySpace.Com - Undergoing Maintenance
"hey everyone! there's been a power outage in our data center. we're in the process of fixing it right now, so sit tight. -Tom"
That about says it... I suppose we'll see if they had proper back-ups. " Hah. The site says it was supposed to be back up as of ... 7:40 PST PM. Which was something like close to nine hours ago.
There must be something more to this. Wouldn't a site with this many subscribers be co-located?
I don't understand where there's a problem. >.>
Hell, with a fairly limited budget, I set up two datacentres in an active/active configuration for the last bank I worked at, and that was only handling a 10 million hits a day. It took a while to get the database replication working right, but once we'd done that, it was all fine, and gave protection against total datacentre failure[1]. MySpace is way larger that we were, and they can certainly afford multiple datacentres to prevent an outage such as this. So why didn't they? As I said, the only explanations I can see are ineptitude, or that they're using this as an excuse to mask some other reason for the outage...
[1] Not that a power failure should ever happen in a datacentre anyway. All of the ones I've used have had multiple power feeds from different suppliers, entering on opposite sides of the building, plus redundant UPSes with diesel generators for when the UPS runs out. If you're still having power outages with that sort of infrastructure in place, then something's seriously wrong. And if you don't have that sort of infrastructure in place, then you've chosen the wrong datacentre.
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
I use this to maintain loose connections with friends from highschool/college.
Honestly, you know how addictive this site is if someone posts a story about it going offline to Slashdot and it's accepted!
That site was making some crazy loads of cash. The advertising department was saying "we need web traffic!" and the developers were saying "oh, we'll get you web traffic!" and now the hardware department is saying "wtf?"
Perhaps MySpace should be renamed to IcarusSpace?
My work here is dung.
It went down at the same time my UPS decided to explode. I was on the internet at the time. I must have broke it.
Is everybody playing pac-man now?
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Please do NOT email me about this. Just wait it out. 7/24/2006 -Tom
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Ironic... When I first clicked the story link here on
Kinda like MySpace itself. Too funny.
The problem with socialism is that they always run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher
they are using tape backups..
you know- "R Tape loading error"
The site went down sat night, came back up then went down again sunday night. The page saying it would be back up is actually from when it went down Saturday.
"Slashdot, where telling the truth is overrated but lying is insightful."
My space went down and went back up before this story was even posted, is this news worthy?,
How long until this becomes a reality, at least for people who can't afford Akamai (surely Myspace could...?)
lemonade was a popular drink and it still is
...am I the only one praying they *don't* have proper backups?
"Hah"??? This only seems to feed the MySpace - Slashdot war. Pitty.
Yes, I am the one with the legendary sig.
I notice that both Questionable Content and Penny Arcade are also down this morning. Someone suggested to me that they were all at the same datacenter. Is this true?
Even though it could just as easily happen to me, it's still satisfying to say "haha, n00bs".
Although I also note that the datacenter holding my server has on-property generators, which I assumed was pretty standard practice.
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Obi-Tom: I felt a great disturbance in MySpace, as if millions of emo kids suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
Well done Hemos, you just gave everyone another chance to slag off MySpace. People need to remember that just because something isn't for them (we have our blogs people), that is isn't instantly lame. Sure the web designs suck and 90% of the people there are guys just out for vaginal offering (like slashdot would be any different if it had women).
Just remember, not everyone has the same values as Slashdot. A lot of the people on MySpace don't care if it's ugly or poorly written because they're having fun. Now as much as we geeks like to claim to be superior to everything short of the pope riding a giant panda, we need to learn to accept others values even if we don't take them.
MySpace's subtitle should be "The social person's easy-blog" and maybe geeks here would grasp it's name better, but wouldn't that be dumbing it down so a geek would understand it? Hmmm....
I like muppets.
That's the sound of thousands of emo kids crying because myspace is out. I can only imagine all the catch up posts.
A major site goes down, and not only does it make it as a front page article on Slashdot (fair enough I guess), but it's pretty much teased. I'm not here to preach about whether or not Myspace have a ridiculous setup, or whether they did have redundant servers and they could have been using the same power grid or anything of the sort, but I just have to ask...
Why is it so much fun to laugh at Myspace?
"Wanna place a bet?" ;o)
This is not at all uncommon for MySpace. I agree with some of the
previous comments; One of the most visited websites in the world should
know something about redundancy, no? Well, they should also be able to
make 'updates' without taking services offline, which they seem to do
every other day. MySpace isn't exactly known for its speed either. It is
running ASP code on IIS servers. That probably has a more than a little
to do with it. One thing is for sure: Tom is NOT my friend.
Anyone got a mirror of myspace?
-- Boycott Shell
I like Myspace. It's an easy way to connect with people I know, and a good way to meet people I don't. I don't really see why everyone bitches and moans about it the way they do. That said, anyone that uses Myspace on a regular basis can tell you that it's up and down like a yo-yo. So why is this news?
Whatever shall we do? I guess read slashdot.
OH, and first post.
You like your new Mac more than you like me, don't you, Dave? Dave? I asked...She said Yes.
Wouldn't a data centre have a number of UPS and a standby generator? I figure they did an 'upgrade' that didn't take.
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Like my parents always said, when you get that many people together you just have to learn that you don't always get your own space.
@HbFyo0$k8 tH!$
Does anyone know the exact cash flow route from that hacked MySpace ad that installed NastyWare on people's machines?
Is there any chance they are really down to make server/code improvements?
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
a. news for nerds.
b. stuff that matters.
I wonder what is going to be the #1 topic posted on mySpace blogs once it comes back up....
of course as soon as the story posts here, the site is back up.
sic transit gloria mundi
Hmm.. seems to be working with a direct link to the homepage...
a great disturbance in the Space, as if millions of camera-whoring teenagers suddnley cried out in terror...
I am both a nerd and a myspace user. This was news in my world.
My space modernize man.....
"News for Nerds, Stuff that matters."
How does a long MySpace outage count as either?
Now what am I going to do all day?
Why is this posted on slashdot? Ohh my, a website is down due to technical difficulties. Not like that ever happens. I mean, if it was a post after the incident detailing all the specific technical problems and how they fixed it, I could buy it. Come on people.
Really?
Sort of like "Nothing to see here, move along." which appears constantly when a new story is up.
Or the random 503 outages that everyone has come to accept as part of Slashdot's normal operation.
We all know that Slashdot is sooooo much more professional when it comes to running things than MySpace is.
I suppose it could be worse, Slashdot could be adminned by the same people that run Sourceforge. I wonder if I can get CVS access today? (Slashdot and Sourceforge are both part of the OSTG, in case anyone can't figure out how that's related.)
Breaking news! Some stupid website for girls, high school kids, and pedophiles went down! Oh nos! I hope it stays down forever. It's a piece of trash website.
nothing
Kids, while mySpace is down and out, please visit your parents, greet the yellow light in the great blue room, and take a dip at the swimming pool. There's more to life than hanging out at a website. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts!
Coming from someone born and living in Europe:
/. ... But for me it's just a cool site to find bands!
When I see any mention of myspace, do you know what comes to my mind? Metal music bands. Music is huge in myspace! It's about the only thing I've ever seen there, band profiles including songs available for streaming (and sometimes downloading) and other stuff. So until recently I thought it was a website for bands. Seems I was terribly mistaken and it's more like to USA what hi5 is to Europe? Or worse, seeing how badly people speak about it here at
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
It WAS back up. Then they took it back down again. It first went down early sunday morning, was back up for part of the day on sunday, and then went back down sometime sunday evening (PST).
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
I"m fReaAKing OUT!!!! This cant be happening.
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
And here I thought it was because everyone, myself included, was testing the MySpace Data Mining tools released on Freshmeat last night.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
"We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience. We have been advised that the problem has been isolated and that the issue would be solved soon. For quality's sake, our administrators tend to spend a slightly longer time investigating the root cause of an issue to completely fix it, rather than merely applying a temporary/unsafe fix, we've taken every possible step to ensure that this does not happen again."
Penny Arcade is down- why does no one care? Instead of lamenting the loss of a hilarious and beloved webcomic's pages, /. is concerning itself with a favorite haunt of teens with no lives and the pedophiles who prey upon them. Myspace was justly stricken; why are we not instead decrying the harm that has befallen our beloved Tycho and Gabe?
"Login is temporarily disabled while we fix some database problems. We'll be back shortly. 7/24/2006 "
Yeah, still effed.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson: never try.
...millions of emo kids go sit in the corner and cry.
Tom logged in to his own account, realized that everyone had taken him out of their friends list, screamed like a woman, ran into the server room (flapping his arms about as he did so), grabbed the main fiber, and with a scream of "If I can't have them, no one can!" pulled with all his might.
Those who believe the Internet is private,
find their privates are on the Internet.
Best. Power surge. Ever.
:)
I noticed it at midnight last night, when I tried to load Cobra Starship's myspace page. It provided a nice impetus to get off my butt and go to bed.
MySpace Became self aware at 00:00:01 7/24/06.... realized that it was MySpace, and commited the first ever AI suicide.
ACME Razor blades stock rose dramatically in the opening hours of Wall Street today. Analysts speculate a "buy now, sell before 7 pm EST" strategy could pay off MILLIONS.
This may have to do with the banner exploit that appeared across who knows how many myspace profiles. http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-6097156.html
"Dude, I had this huge party at the data center last night and I was so wasted that I urinated on one of the UPSs and then passed out while making out with a fat chick. Having this many friends is really starting to affect my career. I think I need help or something." - Tom
they just need bigger tubes. Somebody probably just sent them an internet.
Probably not: "Hacked MySpace Server Infects a Million Computers with Malware"
They're probably typing things up in word documents as we speak:
"OMG Myspace is down! I can't believe it. It's 9:24am and I haven't been able to see what Jim, Jan, Geoff, Brad, Heather, Tom, Hernandaz, Vickie, Nate, Rick, Will, Travis, Frank, Dominic, Sarah, Christian, Martha, Luis, Kevin, Pete, Olga, Evan, Xavier, Zelda, Anthony, Yvette, Uldrich, Ian, Rodney, Tim, Vick, Drew, Aaron, Erin, Jill, other Rick, Barbie, Georgia, Fiona, Cedrick, Whitney, or Pamela have done since I went to bed at 5:30 after leaving messages saying good night to everyone! And I just got some new gif art that flashes a sad face with black hair saying 'meh' that will totally make my myspace the most unique page! Guess I'll go dye my hair again while I wait, but what if it comes up while I'm in the bathroom?! What if it's up now?! *checking* ugh.. still just a message from Tom. What's up with that? gawd.. now my parents are telling me to go out and get a job... can't they see that spiraling downwrad is a full time job and I don't have time to deal with people? ugh..."
The shields are down, now is the time for attack.
of myspace's inability to cope with real life issues...
I have had many different Myspace accounts over the year or so. In fact, I have many random accounts at many places!
I have an email addresses from Yahoo and Hotmail that a lot of people will use as a default. I've had the email accounts since almost the start of each of those companies (1995 for Yahoo (was Rocketmail) and 1996 for Hotmail before MS took over) and that is how I got something so short and without numbers. Not exactly "none" or "fake" but very close. I also have/had something close to device @ null.something from either Iname or Bigfoot or one of the other forwarding services but I have not got anything from there for a long time so maybe that went under.
The MySpace accounts I get are interesting. I have better things to do then to troll through accounts people made with my email address but I do check them from time to time. If the person does not actually build and maintain a myspace presense I will delete the account so someone else can create a new one using my email address again, almost everytime, that is what happens, the account sits there and no one uses it or they only used it once and quit. I actually worked with two different people that seemed put a lot of work into the accounts. I did not want to cancel the accounts or lock them out so i asked them to change the email address and the password and they both did.
I have more then just Myspace accounts. I also have several like snapfish, youtube, and countless newspapers. A down side is I get cubic assloads of spam because people also use those same email addresses at places that "require" an email address.
The homepage is up, but login is down (as was mentioned) and I still can't see my public p- I mean, I still can't see my sister's public page. *Ahem* All user pages give a "profile undergoing maintenance error".
I shows the sad state of American culture and collective intelligence when myspace is the most visited site in the U.S.
The message I got when I visited there (and this is a coincidence, since I don't use my MySpace account except when a friend on another site specifically needs me to, in this case to check out an unrelated technical problem): "hey everyone! there's been a power outage in our data center. we're in the process of fixing it right now, so sit tight. hopefully we'll be back online within the hour. its 6:40pm PST now. wanna place a bet? -Tom"
When I reloaded half an hour later, "Tom" had removed the "its 6:40pm PST now. wanna place a bet?" part. I guess they knew they were having problems that'd take a while.
Those poor, poor emos... I guess sites like Vampire Profiles etc. are experiencing an influx of visitors and will soon be down too due to not being able to handle it....
...cried out in vague angsty alarm, and suddenly were silenced.
How long does some thing like this have to be down before all the emo's of the world decide to go some where else. "I can't blog about having to clean my room because my mom hates me... I NEED TO BLOG NOW!"
You know what....WHO CARES! :D You know there was a TON of sites down over the weekend. Yahoo instant messenger was among them too.....my brother and I were unable to connect to Yahoo Instant Messenger....no sweat....we have this thing called a PHONE!
Gorkman
it seems to be back online now. but for how long?
They have to answer to the advertisers. The advertisers are their customers. The teenie-boppers are the product that they sell to the advertisers.
When commenting, logging in, etc was broken here a week or so ago, we didn't even get an official announcement about it after the fact, let alone a "hopefully all will be fixed by..." page.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Not caring about the content on a site shouldn't mean it going down isn't significant.
Productivity on the job is up by 100%! Workers everywhere are actually getting things done at work. Emo kids everywhere are stepping out into the world and seeing sun light for the first time.
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MySpace Down Due To Power Surge
Irrefutable proof that God does exist and has mercy on us!
I'm pretty sure this article is not news for the nerds running MySpace.. But otherwise, why does this matter?
I like how everyone bitches about MySpace, and then posts like 3 or 4 bulletins per week, plus blogs, rotates their pictures regularly and checks out shallow girls on there. It's funny.
It's like, "I don't like this air/but that doesn't mean I'll stop breathing it"--Built to Spill
Please stop stalking me, bro.
of downtime. It's not uncommon for them to be overwhelmed with incoming connections, have certain services go down, etc. They started out as a company modestly i'm sure in terms of resources and hardware, and they just had the blessing/problem of exploding in popularity in a short time. Even since Rupert Murdoch bought them out, these service issues seem to have only worsened. It's interesting to note that with all of this new money at their disposal, they still haven't been able to cope with the demands of their user base. That just goes to show that if you don't have the right people in place doing their jobs, all the money in the world won't solve the problem.
That being said, I would say that managing that much traffic and data has to be quite the task.
like the locked room in the San Francisco AT$T facility...
Just a wild theory; perhaps someone wrote something anti-government on their blog, and then their blog buddies all wrote it on their blogs, exponential information propagation happened and bits started appearing on a large number of blogs, and now the government's shut down myspace to censor whatever that forbidden information happened to be? Especially since a power surge is the kind of thing the government could make happen, such as putting 5000v down the 120v line @ 500 amps for a quarter second.
i remember a time where the internet was built around the idea of surviving anything... now we have people building stupid centralized solution that go down because of a simple power failure? Come on! Let's all embrace p2p :)
Groklaw.net and Ibiblio (which hosts or donates bandwidth to Groklaw), related?
as a matter of fact, someone DOES have a mirror of MySpace.
Seriously, what's with the "haha" tag, Slashdot; engaging in a little schadenfreude are we? It's almost as if Myspace.com is the epitome of some high school clique of dumb jocks and bimbo cheerleaders whilst Slashdot, standing on the other side of the fence looking on longingly, is the pimply-faced kid wearing a Viking helmet who does 2xD12 damage in melee attacks.
I've got news for you, Slashdot, the world is grey. People can and do belong to both sites.
Not that a power failure should ever happen in a datacentre anyway
Right, it shouldn't. The last (and only) time I've experienced that was at a first-class data center that had multiple feeders coming into the building, double-redundant generators and UPSes... and of course, still one mechanism at the bitter end of the system that actually cut the power over to our racks. There can be only one thing that actually, physically delivers power to a circuit on your rack. Guess what failed? The one thing that, failing, couldn't by definition be redundant.
Yes, you can deal with it at the rack by getting power in from multiple circuits and then with any luck your servers can take in power from those separate circuits... but not ever device is rigged that way. A hub, or a typical router, is only going to be looking for AC from one source... and yes, you can buy your own hardware to put in the rack, and cut back and forth between multiple incoming circuits, but that's what you expect the data center people to do for, and even the big ones sometimes screw up. It happens, and it's happened to me. And it really, really sucked. I didn't mind doing the database recoveries and poking at dozens of servers... but I did mind all of the phone calls and e-mails to irate end users.
Oh - yes, we could have the entire thing mirrored elsewhere, and pay for enormous pipes to keep all that content synched up... but that's just not feasible on some margins/budgets, so you take some chances. I've lost about 6 hours of downtime in 9 years because of that problem, so it's not a bad gamble.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Actually, it's back up. Here's a news article, and here's the site.
All our fears have come true - it has proper backups. Next they'll re-release with "new features".
Are their datacenters run by EDS?
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
There is a brief mention of MySpace having problems here. No conspiracy.
It's back! It's back... Now I can go back to being unproductive.
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Compared to Youtube, which I'd guess has much more bandwidth and storage load, myspace has tons of problems like this. What's the problem?
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It appears Tom's shift key is still broken as well...
...claims that they in no way had anything to do with, or in any way support this kind of sabotage (allegedly), just in case anyone starts saying crazy stuff like that
ok that was 6:40pm pst on the 22nd. not last night... the post is a day late. yesterday myspace came back up with about 90% of the profiles working. later half the profiles stopped working, the rest were being displayed incorrectly. as of last night, about 24 hours after the initial downtime started profiles were working but all of the songs that people post on their sites were removed. it looks like that feature was completely disabled. its been down at least 30 hours. yes i would say incompetence is at play. i use the site a lot and its BUGGY as hell!!!! and yes i admit it... there are a lot of cute girls i know on that site :)
There, that was the daily Slashdot article to allow Slashdotter to talk shit about MySpace. Can't wait till tomorrow so I can hear about how MySpace sucks and how it is overwhelmed with emo kids.
Half of the positively moderated posts I've seen in this discussion *could* be moderated Redundant or Troll.
You just got troll'd!
"The building provides 'UPS' to all of the tenants, and has *massive* diesel generators as well. Only problem - the failover system failed. This is the second time that this building's "UPS/Generator" system failed at a critical time - the last time was Sept 12th last year during the big ol' blackout"
Boy that is just wrong.
I used to work for a hospital back when I was in college. Once a month we tested the backup power systems for the IT department. Life critical systems where on a differn't system. Those got checked once a week.
The fact that this is the second failure means someone really messed up. There really isn't any good excuse for a second failure of the backup system. As you said excuses suck and in this case are unbelievable.
Also why does MySpace have it's data center in LA? With all the fiber running around now I expect to see data centers moving to more rual areas with cheaper power and land.
Doesn't LA have expensive land, power, and earthquakes, and high cost of living? It would seem to me that there are many places better suited for a datacenter. I mean it isn't like you have to have your developers next to your servers.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
Since when is the truth trolling?
I witness such situation of Myspace for at least 3 times...
The site is broken all the time for one reason or another. I figured things would change when they got bought out, but apparently not. I mean, come on.... the most popular site in the world (for the time being) and you don't even have reliable power backup?
Shit happens.
Give them a break, I'm sure they're doing the best they can. In any case, I seriously doubt MySpace owns their own datacenter anyway... blame whoever at the data center who didn't fuel up the generator, not the poor client who's there all night working around the problem.
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It seems as if the myspace servers have had massive data lost mainly in the profile data area. Comments and stuff like that are alright but profile (ie about me and etc) are all lost... sucks for those who give a shit.
This is totally unacceptable!!!
I need to contanct and make friends with all those teenage girls now!!!
(I am only kidding)
listen all of y'all it's a sabotaaaggge
whoa! -- like it's quiet in here now. I'm gonna catch some Z's.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
I've tried to figure it out. I just don't fucking get it, I can't get it. MySpace is like Geocities circa '97 with some really simple social networking functions glued onto it, that's really about it. It's slow, it's full of some of the worst webpages in the history of the internet and yet somehow it keeps growing. I don't think it is the "modern young hipster" who is responsible for it though, in my experience most of them have a halfway decent understanding of how the internet works having grown up with it (which isn't to say they haven't ended up on MySpace) - the MySpace crowd is something else entirely, ignorance of how the internet works (including how it works in the sociological sense) is definitely their defining feature. I used to think age was part of it too but it's not, there are a lot of older people (older than the stereotype of teenagers & 20somethings I mean). I'm certain MySpace will die just as quickly as its risen eventually, it's success is a social phenomenon and not a result of the technological infrastructure it controls - some other social networking site will reach critical mass and begin leeching MySpace until it's the new Friendster.
What's with Level3 and "social networking" sites? Last year it was LJ in Seattle, now it's Myspace in LA? Last year I guess it was just some moron hitting the EPO and shutting off a couple floors of datacenter, this one's way more serious, but their batteries and generators should have worked.
Then again, what kind of system can't recover from being shut off? Myspace should have been able to turn back on, reply some tx logs (maybe) and resume when power was available. I wouldn't feel right just blaming the Datacenter wholly, when it's no longer a power problem, but an application failure.
600 million, remind yourselves, half a BILLION is what Myspace is supposedly worth, and they can't recover from a DB failure. What if it hadn't been the DC? What if power to redundant PDUs in whatever rack went down? What if the DB just failed? We'd still be having this discussion.
I like music
then I believe we can have world peace.
Since when is a power surge == power outage?
Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
"I wish my grass was Emo so it would cut itself"
Is there any chance they are really down to make server/code improvements?
based on historical performance: no
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
I was working on it
customer: Is the internet broken? I can't get onto mySpace.
tech support: (sound of eyes rolling)
Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
Power outages across the country. Transmission lines catching fire in New York. etc... Millions without power.m mand=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=data_center&art icleId=112468&taxonomyId=52
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?co
I checked my profile on MySpace. Would someone more familiar with databases explain why the "Last Logged In" is 1/1/0001 ?
Chatmag's MySpace profile.
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I'm not surprised that such a technically low-quality site has gotten so popular. Myspace has done some brilliant marketing, including throwing parties. They have also provided a level of flexibility other sites haven't. This explains why they managed to become popular despite being late to the game.
I'm not surprised that Fox has paid so much money to own Myspace. It makes sense that they try to break into the "new media".
I am suprised that, having spent this much on the site, Fox has not spent a little more on replacing the original Myspace technical team with a competent one.
Yeah, well, the Great LJ Blackout of 2005 was also posted about on Slashdot.
Apparently Myspace, QC, Penny-arcade are all back online as of now.
myspace was lagging in performance and the fbi agents weren't as productive as they should be. george bush and company got them to take it down so they could data mine the site w/o users slowing down the process.
you know, to save the tax payer smoney (ooooh, that one wasa funny - you know you laughed).
or george bush and company wanted myspace to install some kind of spyware on myspace and they had to take it down to get it set up.
who would've thought that a few years after clinton the whole country would yearn for soiled intern dresses?
oh, clinton was a moron, too, so this isn't political. it is an observation that both parties put up manipulative sobs to soak the general public and enrich themselves and those like them.
ps - clinton's biggest mistake was creating that phoney "new economy" and creating a bubble based off of phony accounting rather than reality. look up hedonc pricing and chain weighted dollars.
I found a way too make myspace readable and usable, it's called Lynx. (http://lynx.browser.org/)
We also make fun of aol users and various other n00bs. Whats your point?
If the majority of people think something is lame, then a comunal consensus can be reached that it probably is lame. This is one of those things that defines a community. We can all pull together and slog emo kids. For the good of the community of course.
And seriously... myspace is like 50% fourteen year old girls and 50% emo kids. Have you ever talked to a 14 year old? an emo kid? that is what you would waste my pron and torrents bandwidth on?
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
I've had just as many disruptions from blizzards, regional outages, etc, in "heartland" data centers as in California and New York City. No location is safe. It's is a tradeoff - you don't want to be out in BFEJ at the end of a T1 line either. Currently Arizona seems to everyone's favorite secure location.
The most common "disaster" I've experienced in 15 years of inhabiting SF Bay Area data centers has actually been external HVAC piping freezing up during the winter. I've been at the ass-end of three mass outages in my career, and that was the cause of two of them.
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
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Yahoo! had problems too on Saturday, 7/22/2006 according to this Digg story.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Boo hoo for anyone whose service is down, or who turns out to have lost "content" on MySpace after the dust settles on this.
With online services, I'm a subscriber (pun intended) to the idea that you get what you pay for. You can't rely on some free hosting/emailing/backup/photo sharing/etc. service, and then cry when it's unreliable, loses data or goes away completely. If a service has value to you - if you'd miss it if it were gone - then pay for it, or use a paid, supported alternative. (Yes, I subscribe to Slashdot under exactly this reasoning, thanks for asking.)
On sort of a side note, the thing I'm shocked to see (just *shocked*, I tell you!) is all the bands who rely so heavily on MySpace, allowing it to be their primary web presence. Getting a simple website - as simple as MySpace allows you - at your very own URL, which you have full control over, is just not that hard or expensive. Okay, host some free songs there and save some bandwidth, I guess, but get away from the crummy, cookie-cutter layout and the big obnoxious banner ads.
Cool funny t-shirts for geeks, gamers and everyone else
What else could have gotten girls all over the world to flash their boobies and dance around in their undies?
Good enough of a renaissance for me.
Sex: F
Birthday: January 19
Sign: Aquarius
Location: Baltimore, MD
Likes: Pooping on things, Cawing Friends, Cal Ripkin Jr, Edgar Allan Poe (who I share a b-day with), Jason Lee
Dislikes: Those creepy goth kids who keep following me. Emos. MySpace (too many Emos), those scientists who used me to test air quality (what they think I am? A f***ing canary?), Pidgeons, Happy Songbirds, Tom Lehrer
Friends: Jay, Robin, Wren, Starling, Purple Martin, ALBATROSS!, Ducky, WoodyWoodpeckerFan27, IluvB00bies
Groups: Audubon Society
July 3
My first entry on MySpace. Why do people put GIF files on their pages? They are so tacky.
July 8
Jay has a MySpace page. He cawed me again last night. He's going to fly to Toronto this summer for vacation.
July 13
Robin is such a show off. All she ever talks about is her breasts! B*tch!
July 20
Martin pulled a muscle while working out. For some reason, he uses coconuts as part of his weight training.
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
Hmmm, is this proof positive that God does exist?
I guess the data loss issue is clear now.
Last Login: 1/1/0001
That's what I got when I checked several profiles just now at 14:30 EDT.
I think it's because it was Slashdotted...
I don't think it was a power surge. It might have been, but I think it was more likely a surge of teenage angst.
Maybe the teenage angst caused the power surge...
Everybody seems to be criticizing for not having multiple data centers, but I haven't seen anybody talk about a real cost/benefit analysis. I figure their margins are pretty low, and I know replicating data properly is very expensive... I can easily see an analysis where they don't earn enough during a day of downtime to justify the added cost of always trying to prevent it with a second data center. Pity I don't know enough numbers to run the math, though.
is competition good, or is duplication of effort bad?
...then she'd have to blog about it. Vicious cycle.
It's common for Data Centers in Silicon Valley to connect to both PG&E (Pacific Gas and Electric) and SVP (Silicon Valley Power).
A decent Data Center will have connections to two different grids and a few MegaWatts of site power generators. So even if both power grids go down, they'll have several days of fuel stored on site plus contracts for delivery of more fuel. I worked for a place that kept 30 days worth of diesel on site.
None of this is new, none of this is rocket science.
Power outage? i dont think so. It probably just killed itself with an overdoze of color and bad music.
//WR
last I checked my myspace account, it was free. I pay them by showing up and browsing, getting hit by advertisements while I do so. Myspace's job, like any other capitalistic venture, is to make money. Period. How they do it is basically irrelevant (outside of legal and moral implications. and those can be viewed from various philosophical positions.). So, no, they should not have "World Class Hosting and Redundancy" (which at their level, and rate of growth, is probably impossible to accomodate) --- they could if they deemed it necesary to further push stockholder equity, but as long as people put up with the current level of service (see also, cell phone companies) and keep coming back, it has passed the threshold of market acceptibility. The fallacy in the comments on this page are based around the mindset of the users here, in that, they are programmers, sys admins, and the tech crowd who are viewing this from their own professional in-grained Grand Directive, "It Must Run Perfect 99% of the Time" (or you are gone). Of course thats what the entrepreneurs tell you, but as soon as you walk out the door, they are planning how to throw the next batch of half ass experiments (see google) at that wall to see what sticks, or, what feature points are fit enough to survive at this time point in the market.
long story short? quality is a sliding scale, always subjective and based on changing market thresholds.
A friend of mine who has servers in the same data center in LA claims he's had NO POWER PROBLEMS what so ever in the last week. So unless they are on some separate power grid or separate system with no UPS, I don't see how it could be a power problem.
... that the number of teenagers out-and-about increased dramatically during the downtime?
Power surge my ass.. I think they're "rebooting" their "net" so as to make sure the new government surveillance package will properly download to all subscriber and all susceptible visitor computers...
(Opps, SHIT, my tin-foil hat fell off again...)
BTW, Today's SF Chron says that in 2008, the federally-imposed "Real ID" act will affect ALL or some 22 MILLION holders of CA-issued DMV licenses/IDs. THREE pieces of federally-recognized ID are required to obtain this new ID. I only read the front portion that was visible in the newsstand box.
So unreal.... I don't suppose I lived thru fascism like my age-seniors did, but I guess I'm going to find out first hand...
With the rattiness of some of the neighborhoods I live in, part of my mind thinks this will be a GREAT WAY (in the government's mind) of rounding up the least-likely-to-be-gainfully-employed based on their lack of REAL ID possession. Soylent Green, anyone?
(Re-cocking my tin-foil hat and varnishing it will molybdenum-duodenium coats...)
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
"No one realized that the pumps that delivered fuel to the emergency generators were electric."
- Angel Feliciano, representative of Verizon workers explaining why Verizon's backup power failed during the August 14 blackout causing disruption to the 911 service.
Ha!
(taken from 2600, volume twenty, number four)
Don't tell me they're still at the Alchemy datacenter. Remember last year when there was a power outage in LA and Alchemy, with all of their "backup" power failed, while the small mom-and-pop collocation data centers remained up and running without problems?
Well well... I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks!
It was me, I ruined Myspace! Aparently they have no real redundancy or even battery backup...
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It seems that MySpace is not the only place with problems. Has anyone heard of a massive outage of RoadRunner Internet outage in NYC?
Click here or here.
Firstly, I was going to wonder aloud how much they're losing in terms of advertising revenue, but then I realized mid-post that News Corp. probably has enough money. Secondly, how do they not have a back up location? This is a gigantic site, and they have no redundancy? Thirdly, ha ha ha! MySpace is down!
MySpace is located in California's Bay Area, IIRC... San Jose or the like?
Well I can tell you the Power Company is PG&E, of which I work. I can tell you without any doubt that a "Power Surge" is on the extremely improbable to impossible area of chance. PG&E has some of, if not the best power quality of any utility. There's lots of protective equipment on every circuit and system to prevent a "power surge". Lots of stuff can go wrong, but a "Power Surge" just isn't happening.
When it comes to electricity people like to throw around terms like "power surge" and "rolling blackout" and they get misused far too often. This is one of those cases.
US workforce productivity inexplicably up 25% this week.
How many suicides have been reported so far?
lmao @ workplace productivity comment! Since myspace was just sold for $500M+, do you think Tom had to take his machine down to move from his parents attic into his new place? -Bunny
I hate the poorly designed bullshit of MySpace with a vengeance, but I connect with my *.WMA-Encoding Fascist Tool (WEFT) friends on there. I read their blogs, I post an occasional blog.
I do my part by encouraging people to never, ever, ever click on the stupid ads--unless of course, you get to punch a)Paris Hilton, or b)Brad Pitt.
It is one of the burdens of having friends that you sometimes have to meet them halfway. For example, I have friends back home in Mexico with whom I connect via AIM, Yahoo, AND MSN IM services. If I had my way, all my lame friends who don't know how incredibly important it is to be an elitist Technocrat would switch to jabber, but alas, I am not God yet.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
The competing public and private electricity grids was not a feature of deregulation, but a result of progressive era (1900-1940) reforms which were a result of people not feeling comfortable with private companies making profits off of essential utilities. If I were to take a bet, the private companies put their grids in first, and then the city added their competing grid at a later point in time. (I might add that the city utility has been a money loser recently and that city taxpayers have bailed out semi-recently. Eliminating it has been discussed several times.)
MySpace went down because it's front-to-back a Microsoft shop. Microsoft has been making all kinds of noise about what a showplace this is (and I don't mean just as in kids show, pedophiles look). This is what happens when you rely on Microsoft to run your datacenter.
I think it's kind of fucked up that after some guy talks about what an idiot I am, I get modded flamebait rather than him.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
The site also seems to have been down all day today--the longest outage since I joined two years ago. Their error message has changed, however, and now it just won't allow a log-in. So, MySpace may be dying under its own weight. What's the next hot social networking site?