I'm sure we'll have to wait for the final article, but if this is a problem with hyperthreading, does it affect athlon64? He doesn't say that it does, but he doesn't say that it doesn't either. So, I'm wondering if he even TRIED the exploit on an athlon64.
Remember, I said IF A PATCH EXISTS. If someone drives a car even after they've received a recall for that car and thereby injure someone or cause an accident, are they guilty of negligence? Absolutely. If the manufacturer of that car acknowledges a problem and lets the consumer know, then that automatically shifts responsibility onto the consumer.
It's the same with patches. If microsoft acknowledges a problem and issues a patch, it then becomes YOUR responsibility.
They should start fining people whose computers are used in an attack that could have been prevented if they had patched their systems. Many people are under the impression "Oh, it really doesn't matter. It's just the internet".
So, if they are held financially responsible for the damage they help cause, they will spend the time it takes to update their computers.
Also, Microsoft needs to get a clue. I've visited windows update before. You select all the updates and then it tells you "You can't select this update along with any others". So, you have to install that one single update by itself...and then REBOOT. That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why don't they make it so you can download ALL the updates, then reboot as necessary AFTER you've gotten all the updates. Don't make the process take an hour or more with multiple visits to windowsupdate.
Given Microsoft's history with nuclear submarines and spacecraft...I doubt I'd want them working with me on a crashless car. They've shown more than once that even in their most secure systems, they crash....too often.
Everyone is making a big deal about SuSE having linphone as a part of the distro. So, I installed SuSE 9.3 yesterday and selected to install linphone. Well, guess what? As soon as I start up linphone, the program pops up. If I type in something and press call or try to select preferences from the menu, linphone crashes.....every...single....time. I didn't get it to work even once.
Why offer it as a package if it doesn't even remotely work with a clean install?
If they get away with this censoring at the bequest of the individual consumer, they'll think "Wow, look how easy it is to censor all that sinful stuff on the internet." Then, the next step will be to pass a law to make it mandatory.
No thanks. If it weren't for internet porn, I'd have no sex life at all.
You can retire from a company and still work elsewhere. Many retired people still work....just notice that greeter at walmart.
A pension is not a disability payment. It's an agreement that if you work for me this long and then stop working for me, I still have to pay you x amount of dollars and give you x benefits.
Microsoft could be forced to change Internet Explorer and make it incompatible with some web pages
Yes, and then they'll promptly send a notice to the website and tell them that their site is "no longer compatible with internet standards". There IS something to be said for having 90% of the browser market.
Of course, Microsoft and incompatibility go hand in hand....
Szymon Stefanek started Kvirc ( http://www.kvirc.net ) back when people thought that to use irc on linux meant you had to use bitchx. Mainly due to nothing but his own hard work he created an exceptional irc client that, in my opinion, was as good as anything on windows. Then, with help from people joining the project, they made it better than anything on windows.
Rob Flynn maintains the gaim project ( http://gaim.sourceforge.net ) and took over for Mark Spencer (the original author...who also deserves an award). Thanks to their hard work we have an instant messaging client better than anything else on linux or windows.
It's one thing to say linux is ready for the desktop, but how about we show some appreciation for those that made it not only ready for the desktop, but are responsible for those applications that make it superior to windows for many of our online activities.
Personally, my hats go off to these gents. They saw where linux was lacking and took the initiative to fill those gaps.
My only problem with this would be the frequency you have to update gaim to keep yahoo and others working. If they're going to use gaim they should have some type of notification built in to notify you when a new version is available...AND KEEP IT UPDATED.
It won't be so bad for Joe Blow if all of a sudden he can't connect to Yahoo but sees a new update is available. Then he installs the update and Yahoo works again. He's satisfied and doesn't think anything of it. The problem will be when these lindows users download this and can't connect to yahoo or one of the other services. Then they think gaim is crap...when in reality yahoo just broke things on purpose again.
I will say one thing that I didn't like about it though....The default kde desktop has these huge icons and huge kicker....if I remember correctly, suse 9.0 looked much sleeker. I changed it to smaller icons of course 32 pixels instead of 48.
I think that's a byproduct of Novell buying them out...a gnomeish look. I hope that isn't the case and they realize we want our desktops to be unobtrusive and productive...not looking like toys.
Gnome looks like crap. Don't make KDE look like gnome.
I just installed Suse 9.1 yesterday. I have 9.0 running on the box and then upgraded to a 160 gig SATA hard drive. 9.0 slowed down a lot...due to DMA problems and such....I couldn't get it to jive. So, I installed Mandrake 10.0 official and waited for SuSE 9.1
First, I had to recompile my kernel. Every time I rebooted the machine, I would have to unplug my keyboard and then plug it back in to have SuSE recognize it. There were NO warning messages...no nothing. A recompile of the kernel tho (their kernel source...not the kernel source from www.kernel.org) and everything was working fine.
Then, I used the packman rpms for xine-lib etc...and used their source rpm for kaffeine. A WORD OF CAUTION: If you recompile the kaffeine source rpm from packman..and it keeps bombing at at an update system files macro, then you need the SuSE rpm update-system-files. You can get it through yast...it's on the disks. The packman srpm left it out of the requirements by error.
But, that's ALL I had to do...just those couple of things and I now have a wonderful SuSE desktop. I ran Redhat Linux for 6 years...and back then, I didn't like SuSE. But, after redhat tanked and I gave suse another try (after first trying debian, mandrake, and gentoo)...I love it. SuSE is twice the distribution debian and gentoo even dream about being. For me, it's on par with the now defunct Redhat Linux and I see no reason to switch ever again.
Here are the specs for the box it's running on:
ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard Athlon XP 2600+ cpu 2 256 Meg Ram chips working in dual channel for 512 megs Samsung 52x24x52 cdwriter with 16x dvd 160 Gig SATA drive Nvidia GeForceFX 5700 video
Well, I'd say less than 5% of the email I receive is legitimate email...so I really don't care if they decide to start nuking to try and stop spam...do SOMETHING
Don't disregard SuSE. I know it's maybe a little dishonest to buy a box set and then burn and distribute the cds or dvd. But, I installed it a couple of weeks ago.
I ran Redhat for six years. When Fedora came out I saw what it was like and decided to find another distro. I tried Gentoo first and hated it. (it took forever for them to update some of the ports).
Then, I tried Debian unstable.(Debian stable is hopelessly outdated). Debian was much better as far as that goes, but the package maintainers really like to throw crap down the wire. For instance, they released KDE 3.2 but only part of it. When you did your nightly update you ended up with half of KDE 3.1.5 and half of KDE 3.2. Needless to say, KDE went boom. A week later, they still hadn't put all the KDE 3.2 packages up for update.
So, I went to Mandrake 10.0 Community. I know 10.0 Community was a Beta. But, it just seemed like bugfixes weren't really a priority (unless you were a paying member, I suppose). I'm not talking about small bugs either. I'm talking about checkinstall not working on Mandrake 10.0 Community...and from what people said it hadn't worked since 9.2. I've only been running SuSE a week or two...so I assume there is a huge bug in the release that keeps checkinstall and god knows what else from working. So, if I had to pick a word to describe Mandrake, it would be "buggy".
Now..thanks to a hard drive dying, I now have SuSE installed. It works great. I haven't had any problems. I'm planning on giving them money. I don't see any reason why a newbie would not be able to use SuSE.
If you installed Mandrake and erased it before finding out about MandrakeUpdate or urpmi, then you can't say you "tried Mandrake" and be honest. You didn't try out Mandrake. You tried out the Mandrake installer....big difference.
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I'm sure we'll have to wait for the final article, but if this is a problem with hyperthreading, does it affect athlon64? He doesn't say that it does, but he doesn't say that it doesn't either. So, I'm wondering if he even TRIED the exploit on an athlon64.
Remember, I said IF A PATCH EXISTS. If someone drives a car even after they've received a recall for that car and thereby injure someone or cause an accident, are they guilty of negligence? Absolutely. If the manufacturer of that car acknowledges a problem and lets the consumer know, then that automatically shifts responsibility onto the consumer.
It's the same with patches. If microsoft acknowledges a problem and issues a patch, it then becomes YOUR responsibility.
The government.
This is not a problem that only affects the ISP. This is a problem that affects commerce...therefore it is a government problem.
They should start fining people whose computers are used in an attack that could have been prevented if they had patched their systems. Many people are under the impression "Oh, it really doesn't matter. It's just the internet".
So, if they are held financially responsible for the damage they help cause, they will spend the time it takes to update their computers.
Also, Microsoft needs to get a clue. I've visited windows update before. You select all the updates and then it tells you "You can't select this update along with any others". So, you have to install that one single update by itself...and then REBOOT. That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why don't they make it so you can download ALL the updates, then reboot as necessary AFTER you've gotten all the updates. Don't make the process take an hour or more with multiple visits to windowsupdate.
Given Microsoft's history with nuclear submarines and spacecraft...I doubt I'd want them working with me on a crashless car. They've shown more than once that even in their most secure systems, they crash....too often.
Everyone is making a big deal about SuSE having linphone as a part of the distro. So, I installed SuSE 9.3 yesterday and selected to install linphone. Well, guess what? As soon as I start up linphone, the program pops up. If I type in something and press call or try to select preferences from the menu, linphone crashes.....every...single....time. I didn't get it to work even once.
Why offer it as a package if it doesn't even remotely work with a clean install?
If they get away with this censoring at the bequest of the individual consumer, they'll think "Wow, look how easy it is to censor all that sinful stuff on the internet." Then, the next step will be to pass a law to make it mandatory.
No thanks. If it weren't for internet porn, I'd have no sex life at all.
You can retire from a company and still work elsewhere. Many retired people still work....just notice that greeter at walmart.
A pension is not a disability payment. It's an agreement that if you work for me this long and then stop working for me, I still have to pay you x amount of dollars and give you x benefits.
Microsoft could be forced to change Internet Explorer and make it incompatible with some web pages
Yes, and then they'll promptly send a notice to the website and tell them that their site is "no longer compatible with internet standards". There IS something to be said for having 90% of the browser market.
Of course, Microsoft and incompatibility go hand in hand....
So...just curious
But, how stupid DO you feel when you use "First POST" as your subject and you're the second post?
You've actually been able to download it from ed2k? I am downloading around 10k/sec and I have enough bandwidth to do 400k/sec
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.1/suse/src/
/ sr c/
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/9.1/rpm
Szymon Stefanek started Kvirc ( http://www.kvirc.net ) back when people thought that to use irc on linux meant you had to use bitchx. Mainly due to nothing but his own hard work he created an exceptional irc client that, in my opinion, was as good as anything on windows. Then, with help from people joining the project, they made it better than anything on windows.
Rob Flynn maintains the gaim project ( http://gaim.sourceforge.net ) and took over for Mark Spencer (the original author...who also deserves an award). Thanks to their hard work we have an instant messaging client better than anything else on linux or windows.
It's one thing to say linux is ready for the desktop, but how about we show some appreciation for those that made it not only ready for the desktop, but are responsible for those applications that make it superior to windows for many of our online activities.
Personally, my hats go off to these gents. They saw where linux was lacking and took the initiative to fill those gaps.
My only problem with this would be the frequency you have to update gaim to keep yahoo and others working. If they're going to use gaim they should have some type of notification built in to notify you when a new version is available...AND KEEP IT UPDATED.
It won't be so bad for Joe Blow if all of a sudden he can't connect to Yahoo but sees a new update is available. Then he installs the update and Yahoo works again. He's satisfied and doesn't think anything of it. The problem will be when these lindows users download this and can't connect to yahoo or one of the other services. Then they think gaim is crap...when in reality yahoo just broke things on purpose again.
Read the article and look at the pictures. They each get their own monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
I am McCarthy's secret lovechild.
I wonder which story will make it into this textbook first:
1. The gas chambers in Nazi Germany were designed by Microsoft. Bill Gates personally enjoyed taking vacations at Auschwitz.
2. The black panthers were a group of law abiding, fun loving people that were mercilessly harassed by the establishment.
3. The Berlin wall was torn down because it divided the German Parliament meeting rooms from the bathrooms.
4. Canada is the northernmost state in the United States.
Wow..didn't take long to slashdot that sucker into oblivion
I will say one thing that I didn't like about it though....The default kde desktop has these huge icons and huge kicker....if I remember correctly, suse 9.0 looked much sleeker. I changed it to smaller icons of course 32 pixels instead of 48.
I think that's a byproduct of Novell buying them out...a gnomeish look. I hope that isn't the case and they realize we want our desktops to be unobtrusive and productive...not looking like toys.
Gnome looks like crap. Don't make KDE look like gnome.
I just installed Suse 9.1 yesterday. I have 9.0 running on the box and then upgraded to a 160 gig SATA hard drive. 9.0 slowed down a lot...due to DMA problems and such....I couldn't get it to jive. So, I installed Mandrake 10.0 official and waited for SuSE 9.1
First, I had to recompile my kernel. Every time I rebooted the machine, I would have to unplug my keyboard and then plug it back in to have SuSE recognize it. There were NO warning messages...no nothing. A recompile of the kernel tho (their kernel source...not the kernel source from www.kernel.org) and everything was working fine.
Then, I used the packman rpms for xine-lib etc...and used their source rpm for kaffeine. A WORD OF CAUTION: If you recompile the kaffeine source rpm from packman..and it keeps bombing at at an update system files macro, then you need the SuSE rpm update-system-files. You can get it through yast...it's on the disks. The packman srpm left it out of the requirements by error.
But, that's ALL I had to do...just those couple of things and I now have a wonderful SuSE desktop. I ran Redhat Linux for 6 years...and back then, I didn't like SuSE. But, after redhat tanked and I gave suse another try (after first trying debian, mandrake, and gentoo)...I love it. SuSE is twice the distribution debian and gentoo even dream about being. For me, it's on par with the now defunct Redhat Linux and I see no reason to switch ever again.
Here are the specs for the box it's running on:
ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard
Athlon XP 2600+ cpu
2 256 Meg Ram chips working in dual channel for 512 megs
Samsung 52x24x52 cdwriter with 16x dvd
160 Gig SATA drive
Nvidia GeForceFX 5700 video
I'm waiting for groklaw to unearth that story tomorrow....
"SCO key in weapons sales to the Contras. Darl and Reagan both claim to not remember."
Well, I'd say less than 5% of the email I receive is legitimate email...so I really don't care if they decide to start nuking to try and stop spam...do SOMETHING
Don't disregard SuSE. I know it's maybe a little dishonest to buy a box set and then burn and distribute the cds or dvd. But, I installed it a couple of weeks ago.
I ran Redhat for six years. When Fedora came out I saw what it was like and decided to find another distro. I tried Gentoo first and hated it. (it took forever for them to update some of the ports).
Then, I tried Debian unstable.(Debian stable is hopelessly outdated). Debian was much better as far as that goes, but the package maintainers really like to throw crap down the wire. For instance, they released KDE 3.2 but only part of it. When you did your nightly update you ended up with half of KDE 3.1.5 and half of KDE 3.2. Needless to say, KDE went boom. A week later, they still hadn't put all the KDE 3.2 packages up for update.
So, I went to Mandrake 10.0 Community. I know 10.0 Community was a Beta. But, it just seemed like bugfixes weren't really a priority (unless you were a paying member, I suppose). I'm not talking about small bugs either. I'm talking about checkinstall not working on Mandrake 10.0 Community...and from what people said it hadn't worked since 9.2. I've only been running SuSE a week or two...so I assume there is a huge bug in the release that keeps checkinstall and god knows what else from working. So, if I had to pick a word to describe Mandrake, it would be "buggy".
Now..thanks to a hard drive dying, I now have SuSE installed. It works great. I haven't had any problems. I'm planning on giving them money. I don't see any reason why a newbie would not be able to use SuSE.
If you installed Mandrake and erased it before finding out about MandrakeUpdate or urpmi, then you can't say you "tried Mandrake" and be honest. You didn't try out Mandrake. You tried out the Mandrake installer....big difference.
QT is released under the GPL