You're wrong and there is no need to lecture me. I'm curious and that's why I asked if anyone knew the practical implications of this kind of research. Feel free to engage in your pseudo-intellectual rant somewhere else.
I understand all of this and it's pretty clear to me (hence the "don't get me wrong" part). As I replied before, it's fine if people don't really know the non-obvious details about the implications of this kind of research (I don't). It's sufficient to say that. The Slashdot crowd always include lots of people pretty knowledgeable about astronomy and that's the point of my question. Even if these scientists are not looking to solve near-term problems, has their research benefited the average Joe in any way? I have a feeling it did, I just don't know how and would like to draw from the wider audience here. (ps. Can't wait for someone to call me a Luddite already).
And we post useless replies on Slashdot because we're trolls?
I'm interested in knowing non-obvious details about what this kind of research means to us. That there is a water reserve that we can use because ours is ending would be an obvious detail.
Please don't get me wrong but a reserve 12 billions of years away means it doesn't exist for all practical purposes.
This is fine, I don't think this kind of research is supposed to be 'practical' but it raises the question: what's the benefit for us here on Earth? Is the byproduct of the technology that was developed to discover this something we'll use in our daily lives? If so, how?
I'm humbly asking this question because I fail to see the benefits of both the discover and the science. Can someone with more knowledge about it light the room?
In a related story, researchers discover that *BSD source code has been secretly combined with Highlander's genes.
Speculation runs high regarding the possibility that this has been orchestrated by Iran to create a generation of immortal community-oriented soldiers.
The GNU project was expected to deliver a kernel and userland tools to replace UNIX. Only the later was delivered consistently and it was combined with the Linux kernel to form what Stallman would call "GNU/Linux".
GNU's kernel (Hurd) is so late in the game that they should have killed it. I studied microkernels a while ago and, although they look cool and everything, are not the huge innovation they would be 10 years ago.
It helps to destroy the false sense of security that tons of dollars spent on hardening systems seem to give to everybody. It also keeps govt/mil on their toes and who can be against some additional scrutiny on public entities? Remember: your money.
It goes to show that 'whitehat' security companies are mostly clueless and are not delivering on their promise of security. It shows that they have some ethical problems in dealing with the information they are given (or not) access to to their own advantage. How many whitehat security companies were exposed in the past few months? Lots of high profile ones.
Everybody knows that datacenters WILL go down sometimes. Amazon offers availability zones not so you can cherry pick the one you feel good about (that too)... but because you have the option to spread your operation across different zones and be less impacted when shit happens.
Of course those hip&cool app developers didn't think of that, right? So Reddit and a bunch of well known companies deployed everything in just one availability zone and hoped for the best. I guess they didn't even think about availability at all ("Amazon will take care of it").
If the engineers working at these companies had spend a single minute thinking about it they'd have figured it out. Amazon can't do this work for them... but perhaps they should add a checkbox to the contract "Have you developed your app so it can be deployed over at least 2 different availability zones?" and make that mandatory.
Sorry, the major threat facing ISPs and entities that defy governments is the plain old subpoena.
If they ever try to bomb your bunker, you'll already be in a legal shit hole.
I haven't coded a line of Perl in a while. It's mostly fixing bugs in legacy Perl code and migrating everything to Python.
Ruby seems to have some traction now but I find it's as hard to read as Perl. They have to much implicit information. It's convention over explicit... I don't like that.
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If Oracle isn't rebuilding Sun, I don't know what it's doing.
MSC and SunSolve were the worst websites I've even seen in my life. MOS isn't great but it's much better.
The patch bundles have always been available only to paying customers. What's your point?
What a bunch of crap.
Not true. Please define how much "load of money" means and how it compares to RHEL, for instance.
As to Oracle-only hardware, check the Solaris HCL for over a thousand different systems certified to run it.
Solaris 11 Express is aimed at people that want to preview the features that will come in full production mode in Solaris 11. But they are also offering support for the Express edition today (the license terms are kind of cryptic, as always).
I can't see how Oracle is killing Solaris no matter how hard I try to imagine that.
It seems you actually CAN request a support contract for Solaris 11 Express.
The issue seems to be that the download from the Oracle Technology Network alone doesn't give you that hability (to use in production).
It looks like they should have paid more attention to the wording... the download from OTN shouldn't be used in production but if you want support to use it in production, contact Oracle.
This has been pointed out to many people, perhaps they will make that more explicity. The download page also mentions it's a "full supported release".
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You're wrong and there is no need to lecture me. I'm curious and that's why I asked if anyone knew the practical implications of this kind of research. Feel free to engage in your pseudo-intellectual rant somewhere else.
I understand all of this and it's pretty clear to me (hence the "don't get me wrong" part). As I replied before, it's fine if people don't really know the non-obvious details about the implications of this kind of research (I don't). It's sufficient to say that. The Slashdot crowd always include lots of people pretty knowledgeable about astronomy and that's the point of my question. Even if these scientists are not looking to solve near-term problems, has their research benefited the average Joe in any way? I have a feeling it did, I just don't know how and would like to draw from the wider audience here. (ps. Can't wait for someone to call me a Luddite already).
And we post useless replies on Slashdot because we're trolls? I'm interested in knowing non-obvious details about what this kind of research means to us. That there is a water reserve that we can use because ours is ending would be an obvious detail.
Please don't get me wrong but a reserve 12 billions of years away means it doesn't exist for all practical purposes. This is fine, I don't think this kind of research is supposed to be 'practical' but it raises the question: what's the benefit for us here on Earth? Is the byproduct of the technology that was developed to discover this something we'll use in our daily lives? If so, how? I'm humbly asking this question because I fail to see the benefits of both the discover and the science. Can someone with more knowledge about it light the room?
Now you're saying people don't have friends.
Really says it all.
Besides, systemd is Solaris's SMF made worse. Nice job there!
In a related story, researchers discover that *BSD source code has been secretly combined with Highlander's genes. Speculation runs high regarding the possibility that this has been orchestrated by Iran to create a generation of immortal community-oriented soldiers.
The GNU project was expected to deliver a kernel and userland tools to replace UNIX. Only the later was delivered consistently and it was combined with the Linux kernel to form what Stallman would call "GNU/Linux". GNU's kernel (Hurd) is so late in the game that they should have killed it. I studied microkernels a while ago and, although they look cool and everything, are not the huge innovation they would be 10 years ago.
Planned obsolescence has made military grade obsolete.
ROFL.
Agreed.
It helps to destroy the false sense of security that tons of dollars spent on hardening systems seem to give to everybody. It also keeps govt/mil on their toes and who can be against some additional scrutiny on public entities? Remember: your money. It goes to show that 'whitehat' security companies are mostly clueless and are not delivering on their promise of security. It shows that they have some ethical problems in dealing with the information they are given (or not) access to to their own advantage. How many whitehat security companies were exposed in the past few months? Lots of high profile ones.
So much intelligence capable of creating incredible things. So many problems in the world. Why waste time on fricking weapons?
Everybody knows that datacenters WILL go down sometimes. Amazon offers availability zones not so you can cherry pick the one you feel good about (that too)... but because you have the option to spread your operation across different zones and be less impacted when shit happens. Of course those hip&cool app developers didn't think of that, right? So Reddit and a bunch of well known companies deployed everything in just one availability zone and hoped for the best. I guess they didn't even think about availability at all ("Amazon will take care of it"). If the engineers working at these companies had spend a single minute thinking about it they'd have figured it out. Amazon can't do this work for them... but perhaps they should add a checkbox to the contract "Have you developed your app so it can be deployed over at least 2 different availability zones?" and make that mandatory.
It's trying to emulate IBM, not Microsoft.
Sorry, the major threat facing ISPs and entities that defy governments is the plain old subpoena. If they ever try to bomb your bunker, you'll already be in a legal shit hole.
I wonder when will people stop wasting time with wind/solar and man up to nuclear energy.
I haven't coded a line of Perl in a while. It's mostly fixing bugs in legacy Perl code and migrating everything to Python. Ruby seems to have some traction now but I find it's as hard to read as Perl. They have to much implicit information. It's convention over explicit... I don't like that.
If Oracle isn't rebuilding Sun, I don't know what it's doing. MSC and SunSolve were the worst websites I've even seen in my life. MOS isn't great but it's much better. The patch bundles have always been available only to paying customers. What's your point? What a bunch of crap.
I'm guessing you think MSC and SunSolve you great apps right?
Not true. Please define how much "load of money" means and how it compares to RHEL, for instance. As to Oracle-only hardware, check the Solaris HCL for over a thousand different systems certified to run it.
Solaris 11 Express is aimed at people that want to preview the features that will come in full production mode in Solaris 11. But they are also offering support for the Express edition today (the license terms are kind of cryptic, as always). I can't see how Oracle is killing Solaris no matter how hard I try to imagine that.
It seems you actually CAN request a support contract for Solaris 11 Express. The issue seems to be that the download from the Oracle Technology Network alone doesn't give you that hability (to use in production). It looks like they should have paid more attention to the wording... the download from OTN shouldn't be used in production but if you want support to use it in production, contact Oracle. This has been pointed out to many people, perhaps they will make that more explicity. The download page also mentions it's a "full supported release".
I'm sure their sugar intake is 1/3 of the American and European ones.