But, it's a free world! If the Europeans want to waste $3.6 billion (give or take another billion or two), they should go ahead! Higher taxes in Europe, increasing the attractiveness of American goods! If they waste enough, American manufacturers can stay on top of the economic battles for another generation!
Well, the difference is this.
We don't spend idiotic amounts of money on the military.
So, $ 3,6 billion is nothing compared to the US military budget.
O yeah, and that is also the reason that we have (almost) free healtcare
Don't forget that the military budget of the US is higher than that of China and the whole of Europe combined.
Wouldn't be a problem if the US simply quit letting the "wrong people" into the country. We know what countries they come from. We know that they're male. We even know about how old they are.
Well, the fact is that even you're ancestors were not native Americans.
And, please can you change "letting the wrong people in" in "letting the wrong people out"?
We don't want all those American morons over here...
The thing is, that the whole world knows what kind of idiots live in the US.
The problem with the US is that it thinks that it is the most important country in the world, which in reality it isn't.
wow, shutting out the public to information, destroying it wherever possible, seems sorta like the middle ages, is this gonna open the way for a dictatorship, and ruin everything that we have accomplished?
Yep, 1984 all over.
Want to know how the US will look like in about 20 years?
Read 1984 and you will find out.
Be carefull, big brother is really watching you.
We know how governments love to spy anything, include the internet we're using.
Please don't forget this SAT was endorsed by European governments;)
Which doesn't spent a dime on spying.
Why should they.
The biggest difference between the US and the EC is that we don't waste as much money on the military as the US.
Healthcare, education and work are more important than wasting money on military crap.
You have been living a lie: Holland is a province in the Netherlands.
Not quite.
Actually it is two provinces :
north- and south holland.
But there is a plan to put the two provinces together.
And then there is only Holland.
This doesn't have any effect on the other 10 provinces.
The truth is, most people don't need that much bandwidth(which is irrelevant in many cases because of limits put on broadband in many areas), people don't care if their computer is connected 24/7, and a lot of people just use their computers for sending E-mail and chatting. Broadband is nice, but why would people stick with something expensive and elabourate when a cheap and easy solution exists?
Well, maybe telephone internet is cheap in the US, but outside the US telephone internet is quitte expensive.
I live in one the highest cabled country's in the world (97% of all households have cable) but the price you'll pay for one hour of internetaccess is around $ 0,50 an hour.
And that's between 19:00 and 08:00.
Between 08:00 and 19:00 it is three times as expensive.
Cable and ADSL on the other hand is quitte cheap here.
I'm paying $ 36,26 a month for cable internet with almost no limit and 512/128 speed.
ADSL is a little bit more expensive ($ 40 a month) and the uplink is only 64 Kbit/sec instead of 128 Kbit/sec for cable (depends on the cable company).
The difference is, that you have some choice.
Or cable internet from the cable provider or ADSL from two or three company's.
The idea may be BS, but it's true. On consumer CD copiers you cannot use standard data CD-Rs. You have to buy special marked-up versions.
Well, I have a lacie CD copier which works perfectly with any CD recordable.
It copies almost all CD's without any problem.
O yeah, I live outside the US.
So, you think that what is the law in the US tomorrow won't be the law in your country the day after, eh?
Well, we still don't have something like the DMCA here in Europe.
And if I want to buy a regioncode free DVD-player I can buy one almost anywhere.
There is no law which makes this illegal.
Second, don't forget that most European country's don't have the best government money can buy (-; .
If you want to be free then don't move to the USA.
Now if they can only work together with AMD and NVIDIA to introduce a new low cost entry level Mac ($500 range) and use DAISY type runtime optimzation and recompilation in the OS to make it hardware agnostic...
Or use instead of an expensive AMD a cheaper G3 processor.
The problem is, that most G3 processors are cheaper than those from AMD and use 10 to 20 times less power.
One of the advantages of the PPC family that it uses less power for more computing power.
The PPC8500 will use something like 15 watts peak on 1,6 Ghz and will be two times faster than the P4 running at 2 Ghz..
So, with 60 watts you get 8 times the computing power of a P4 at 2 Ghz..
O yeah, you can get a G4 with Nvidea Geforce 3.
No problem at all.
Most unbeleivably annoying, condescending salesman I've ever met. And then, the manager was just as bad. I was trying to buy a Viao without their incredibly expensive warranty, and boy, they just wouldn't have it!
Yep, because the salesman did know what crap the Sony VAIO's are.
With a VAIO you need extra warranty because they'll break down the first year.
Without this warranty you're screwed and you'll have to buy a new one after the standard warranty expires.
Many places do this already. The place you're working for is protecting themselves from some wacko carrying things in and out of work. And actually, more places should do it...it's surprising the number of things that get taken by people when they leave or are pissed off. If you're uncomfortable with it, tell management. If that doesn't do anything, quit.
Wow, i'm glad I don't live in the US!!
The paranoia is really hitting the fan over there.
The only place that I know of where they do searches is at Schiphol airport.
And then only when you board a plane.
Well, after the "Ready for PowerPC upgrade" sticker debacle with the 500 series, I can see why Apple would not vigorously promote processor-upgradability anymore.
I have a Pb520 with an 603ev 167 Mhz. upgrade.
It plays MP3's perfect and due to the fact that is has built-in ethernet I took it to work everyday and used it constantly.
3 years ago I bought a WS1 which I still use almost constantly at home and at work.
I've upgraded it with a bluechip upgrade.
It now runs at 466 Mhz and has 384 Mb of memory.
I also replaced the original 2 Gb drive with an 20 Gb drive.
It has everything you need for daily use and even MacOS X runs on it.
With two batteries it runs for almost 6 hours.
If i'm going to buy a new Powerbook it will be the iBook.
After 3,5 years it still is a modern and up-to-date machine compared with most PC-laptops.
Yes, I can view DVD's on it and with a Orinoco wireless card also support IEEE 802.11b wireless.
But the main thing is, that it also has standard SCSI, serial, video out (VGA and Svhs) and IrDA support.
The only difference with an iBook is that it doesn't have USB and Firewire.
But if I need USB I pop in an USB PC-card and use USB periphals.
O yeah, of course without restarting!!
Well, actually.. when IBM switched from manufacturering Wintel machines (on which they lost lots of money) to RS6000, AS/400 and S/390 machines they saved themself.
Don't forget that IBM nowadays is the biggest software seller (bigger than MS).
And that they are the largest consultancy firm in the world and also make huge profits, then you must conclude that dropping Wintel computers was a very good start.
Don't forget that IBM sells RS6000, AS/400 and S/390 systems like hot cakes.
And they all can run Linux.
There are many larger company's switching from SUN and Digital to IBM.
Don't forget that almost all Wintel company's lost money last year.
The only two company's which made a profit where IBM and Apple.
Next thing we'll hear is that the FBI arrested Linus and sized all mirrors of Linux in an attempt of stopping the distribution of "security circumvention" software.
Then the rest of the world goes on with developing Linux and nothing happens.
But you're screwed when you live in the US.
The thing is, that most developement work on Linux is done outside the US and by non-US citizens.
Don't forget that there already two Debian distributions.
One for the US and one for the rest of the world.
Well I can play dvd's under linux, just not legally. What people don't realize is that people still find a way, it just forces them to take the effort unground and do it illegally. We'll see more and more of this kind of "illegal" activity with the DMCA around, I guarantee it. Only when the minority opinion becomes the majority will the DMCA be repealed. That's how politics works.
I can legally view DVD's on my Linux computer.
I can legally download DECCS.
I can legally buy a DVD player which is regioncode free.
The reason is very simple.
I live in the Netherlands and we don't have the DMCA.
Second, large corporations don't have as much influence on Dutch law as they do have in the US.
Second, contrary to the US we don't have a duocracy.
And third, we don't give a fuck about the US.
> The next thing you know, they'll want control of all major routers; It's just one more step to bring the Internet under US control.
Hey, it's nice to know we Americans are finally catching up with our freedom-loving friends in Russia and China!
Well, about Russia... i'm sure that they don't have the resources to do that.
But maybe it is a good idea for a "great firewall" like they have in China and put the US behind.
Maybe then all hosting providers will move out of the US instead.
Sorry, but the US is the least democratic country in the world and in the past surpressed almost every attempt of almost all South-American country to become democratic.
Look what happened in Chili, Argentina and for instance Guatamala.
The US is 1948 in reality.
How YOU feel about your data is irrelevant isn't it? If a person or persons wrote a virus whose intent was to, say erase all banking information and plunge the US into financial anarchy, wouldn't you classify this as terrorism? I certainly would. If it is an attack on our way of life for the purpose of destabilizing our country, is that not terrorism?
No, that happens if you trust M$ software...
And that is YOUR own fault.
Good banks don't use MS software for sensitive information.
And that is a good thing!!
f the Bundestag administration is not able to print.doc documents as they were shown in someone else's Word 2K (with correct table dimenstions, bullets, idents and images), it would make people laugh hard at them. If they give a Linux desktop solution a try, Bundestag staff will probably make Linux go away again because they will get many problems they didn't have before.
Poor sod, never heard about staroffice or koffice.
Well, the only "problem" they will have is that they will miss their daily systemcrash.
But overall, I don't think that they will miss them that much.
On the other hand, they don't have to change their mailsystem.
They are using Lotus notes now and when they'll switch to linux they still can use lotus notes.
The biggest problem will be that most windoze games won't run under Linux.
And that can be a bad thing ((-;
But the fact is, that it will save them a lot money, problems and virus infections.
No more nimda, i love you and other crap means no more downtime and lost work.
That's also a big plus.
a friendly reminder: the g4 is just a g3 with an altivec 128-but vector processing unit. afaik there are no further differences.
Except for the FPU unit which is almost 1.5 times faster.
And the fact that the backsidecache controller on the G3 can only adress about 1 mbyte of level 2 cache while the G4 can adress up to 2 mbyte of level 2 cache.
Technically the core of the G3 was based on the PPC603ev while the core of the G4 is based on the PPC604e.
It's probably more expensive to manufacture single-button assemblies than two+ buttons, due to simple volume. Generaly, higher volume = lower price, this would likely prove esspecialy true in this case.
Well, if you order more than 2.000.000 mice a year from logitech it will be actually a lot cheaper.
The thing is, that almost all optical mice are made by logitech.
Yes, even the MS optical mice are made by logitech.
Last week I disassembled my ms optical mouse and on the print inside the mouse is the same agilent camerachip with intergrated controller as is used in every logitech mouse.
Second, printed on the small circuitboard is "made by logitech".
Second, all IBM, Compaq, Dell and Apple mice are made by logitech.
Even the first Apple mouse was made by logitech.
Specifically, is it bearable on a new iBook? When I tried 10.04 on a new iBook it was like running Windows 2000 on a Pentium 133
Well, it wasn't that slow.. but it was slow.
The reason is very simple.
The finder sucked and they didn't use the graphic acceleration of the videochip.
They rewrote the finder and turned on the grpahic acceleration of the videochip.
Last weekend we had a local MUG meeting in which Apple showed both an iBook and a G4 with MacOS 10.1.
The speed difference was quitte noticable.
The speed was equal to a Pentium III 1 Ghz with windows 2000.
So, it could be a little bit better but it was quitte acceptable.
Why not something open and widespread like MPEG, MPEG2 or MPEG4? That way people on all kinds of platforms can see it without having to install crap software.
Well, actually.. quicktime is less crappy than windoze mediaplayer.
Second, believe it or not but the official MPEG4 standard is based on.... quicktime!!!
Not that not standardised crap like DVIX or so.
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But, it's a free world! If the Europeans want to waste $3.6 billion (give or take another billion or two), they should go ahead! Higher taxes in Europe, increasing the attractiveness of American goods! If they waste enough, American manufacturers can stay on top of the economic battles for another generation!
Well, the difference is this.
We don't spend idiotic amounts of money on the military.
So, $ 3,6 billion is nothing compared to the US military budget.
O yeah, and that is also the reason that we have (almost) free healtcare
Don't forget that the military budget of the US is higher than that of China and the whole of Europe combined.
Wouldn't be a problem if the US simply quit letting the "wrong people" into the country. We know what countries they come from. We know that they're male. We even know about how old they are.
Well, the fact is that even you're ancestors were not native Americans.
And, please can you change "letting the wrong people in" in "letting the wrong people out"?
We don't want all those American morons over here...
The thing is, that the whole world knows what kind of idiots live in the US.
The problem with the US is that it thinks that it is the most important country in the world, which in reality it isn't.
wow, shutting out the public to information, destroying it wherever possible, seems sorta like the middle ages, is this gonna open the way for a dictatorship, and ruin everything that we have accomplished?
Yep, 1984 all over.
Want to know how the US will look like in about 20 years?
Read 1984 and you will find out.
Be carefull, big brother is really watching you.
We know how governments love to spy anything, include the internet we're using.
Please don't forget this SAT was endorsed by European governments
Which doesn't spent a dime on spying.
Why should they.
The biggest difference between the US and the EC is that we don't waste as much money on the military as the US.
Healthcare, education and work are more important than wasting money on military crap.
You have been living a lie: Holland is a province in the Netherlands.
Not quite.
Actually it is two provinces :
north- and south holland.
But there is a plan to put the two provinces together.
And then there is only Holland.
This doesn't have any effect on the other 10 provinces.
The truth is, most people don't need that much bandwidth(which is irrelevant in many cases because of limits put on broadband in many areas), people don't care if their computer is connected 24/7, and a lot of people just use their computers for sending E-mail and chatting. Broadband is nice, but why would people stick with something expensive and elabourate when a cheap and easy solution exists?
Well, maybe telephone internet is cheap in the US, but outside the US telephone internet is quitte expensive.
I live in one the highest cabled country's in the world (97% of all households have cable) but the price you'll pay for one hour of internetaccess is around $ 0,50 an hour.
And that's between 19:00 and 08:00.
Between 08:00 and 19:00 it is three times as expensive.
Cable and ADSL on the other hand is quitte cheap here.
I'm paying $ 36,26 a month for cable internet with almost no limit and 512/128 speed.
ADSL is a little bit more expensive ($ 40 a month) and the uplink is only 64 Kbit/sec instead of 128 Kbit/sec for cable (depends on the cable company).
The difference is, that you have some choice.
Or cable internet from the cable provider or ADSL from two or three company's.
The idea may be BS, but it's true. On consumer CD copiers you cannot use standard data CD-Rs. You have to buy special marked-up versions.
Well, I have a lacie CD copier which works perfectly with any CD recordable.
It copies almost all CD's without any problem.
O yeah, I live outside the US.
So, you think that what is the law in the US tomorrow won't be the law in your country the day after, eh?
Well, we still don't have something like the DMCA here in Europe.
And if I want to buy a regioncode free DVD-player I can buy one almost anywhere.
There is no law which makes this illegal.
Second, don't forget that most European country's don't have the best government money can buy (-; .
If you want to be free then don't move to the USA.
Now if they can only work together with AMD and NVIDIA to introduce a new low cost entry level Mac ($500 range) and use DAISY type runtime optimzation and recompilation in the OS to make it hardware agnostic...
Or use instead of an expensive AMD a cheaper G3 processor.
The problem is, that most G3 processors are cheaper than those from AMD and use 10 to 20 times less power.
One of the advantages of the PPC family that it uses less power for more computing power.
The PPC8500 will use something like 15 watts peak on 1,6 Ghz and will be two times faster than the P4 running at 2 Ghz..
So, with 60 watts you get 8 times the computing power of a P4 at 2 Ghz..
O yeah, you can get a G4 with Nvidea Geforce 3.
No problem at all.
.
inside the US.
So the rest of the world will laught at the US and still uses it.
Strange.
With Netscape 4.78, 6.1 and iCab it works.
With Opera 5.0b3 is says that I need to download IE.
Most unbeleivably annoying, condescending salesman I've ever met. And then, the manager was just as bad. I was trying to buy a Viao without their incredibly expensive warranty, and boy, they just wouldn't have it!
Yep, because the salesman did know what crap the Sony VAIO's are.
With a VAIO you need extra warranty because they'll break down the first year.
Without this warranty you're screwed and you'll have to buy a new one after the standard warranty expires.
Many places do this already. The place you're working for is protecting themselves from some wacko carrying things in and out of work. And actually, more places should do it...it's surprising the number of things that get taken by people when they leave or are pissed off. If you're uncomfortable with it, tell management. If that doesn't do anything, quit.
Wow, i'm glad I don't live in the US!!
The paranoia is really hitting the fan over there.
The only place that I know of where they do searches is at Schiphol airport.
And then only when you board a plane.
Well, after the "Ready for PowerPC upgrade" sticker debacle with the 500 series, I can see why Apple would not vigorously promote processor-upgradability anymore.
I have a Pb520 with an 603ev 167 Mhz. upgrade.
It plays MP3's perfect and due to the fact that is has built-in ethernet I took it to work everyday and used it constantly.
3 years ago I bought a WS1 which I still use almost constantly at home and at work.
I've upgraded it with a bluechip upgrade.
It now runs at 466 Mhz and has 384 Mb of memory.
I also replaced the original 2 Gb drive with an 20 Gb drive.
It has everything you need for daily use and even MacOS X runs on it.
With two batteries it runs for almost 6 hours.
If i'm going to buy a new Powerbook it will be the iBook.
After 3,5 years it still is a modern and up-to-date machine compared with most PC-laptops.
Yes, I can view DVD's on it and with a Orinoco wireless card also support IEEE 802.11b wireless.
But the main thing is, that it also has standard SCSI, serial, video out (VGA and Svhs) and IrDA support.
The only difference with an iBook is that it doesn't have USB and Firewire.
But if I need USB I pop in an USB PC-card and use USB periphals.
O yeah, of course without restarting!!
Open standards always win.
Yeah, just look at IBM's market share today.
Well, actually.. when IBM switched from manufacturering Wintel machines (on which they lost lots of money) to RS6000, AS/400 and S/390 machines they saved themself.
Don't forget that IBM nowadays is the biggest software seller (bigger than MS).
And that they are the largest consultancy firm in the world and also make huge profits, then you must conclude that dropping Wintel computers was a very good start.
Don't forget that IBM sells RS6000, AS/400 and S/390 systems like hot cakes.
And they all can run Linux.
There are many larger company's switching from SUN and Digital to IBM.
Don't forget that almost all Wintel company's lost money last year.
The only two company's which made a profit where IBM and Apple.
Next thing we'll hear is that the FBI arrested Linus and sized all mirrors of Linux in an attempt of stopping the distribution of "security circumvention" software.
Then the rest of the world goes on with developing Linux and nothing happens.
But you're screwed when you live in the US.
The thing is, that most developement work on Linux is done outside the US and by non-US citizens.
Don't forget that there already two Debian distributions.
One for the US and one for the rest of the world.
Well I can play dvd's under linux, just not legally. What people don't realize is that people still find a way, it just forces them to take the effort unground and do it illegally. We'll see more and more of this kind of "illegal" activity with the DMCA around, I guarantee it. Only when the minority opinion becomes the majority will the DMCA be repealed. That's how politics works.
I can legally view DVD's on my Linux computer.
I can legally download DECCS.
I can legally buy a DVD player which is regioncode free.
The reason is very simple.
I live in the Netherlands and we don't have the DMCA.
Second, large corporations don't have as much influence on Dutch law as they do have in the US.
Second, contrary to the US we don't have a duocracy.
And third, we don't give a fuck about the US.
> The next thing you know, they'll want control of all major routers; It's just one more step to bring the Internet under US control.
Hey, it's nice to know we Americans are finally catching up with our freedom-loving friends in Russia and China!
Well, about Russia... i'm sure that they don't have the resources to do that.
But maybe it is a good idea for a "great firewall" like they have in China and put the US behind.
Maybe then all hosting providers will move out of the US instead.
Sorry, but the US is the least democratic country in the world and in the past surpressed almost every attempt of almost all South-American country to become democratic.
Look what happened in Chili, Argentina and for instance Guatamala.
The US is 1948 in reality.
How YOU feel about your data is irrelevant isn't it? If a person or persons wrote a virus whose intent was to, say erase all banking information and plunge the US into financial anarchy, wouldn't you classify this as terrorism? I certainly would. If it is an attack on our way of life for the purpose of destabilizing our country, is that not terrorism?
No, that happens if you trust M$ software...
And that is YOUR own fault.
Good banks don't use MS software for sensitive information.
And that is a good thing!!
f the Bundestag administration is not able to print
Poor sod, never heard about staroffice or koffice.
Well, the only "problem" they will have is that they will miss their daily systemcrash.
But overall, I don't think that they will miss them that much.
On the other hand, they don't have to change their mailsystem.
They are using Lotus notes now and when they'll switch to linux they still can use lotus notes.
The biggest problem will be that most windoze games won't run under Linux.
And that can be a bad thing ((-;
But the fact is, that it will save them a lot money, problems and virus infections.
No more nimda, i love you and other crap means no more downtime and lost work.
That's also a big plus.
Isn't it funny how a lot of new devices are now available in Africa before US, yet we say they are behind in technology.
Well, actually the US is behind in technology.
Especially in telecom.
a friendly reminder: the g4 is just a g3 with an altivec 128-but vector processing unit. afaik there are no further differences.
Except for the FPU unit which is almost 1.5 times faster.
And the fact that the backsidecache controller on the G3 can only adress about 1 mbyte of level 2 cache while the G4 can adress up to 2 mbyte of level 2 cache.
Technically the core of the G3 was based on the PPC603ev while the core of the G4 is based on the PPC604e.
It's probably more expensive to manufacture single-button assemblies than two+ buttons, due to simple volume. Generaly, higher volume = lower price, this would likely prove esspecialy true in this case.
Well, if you order more than 2.000.000 mice a year from logitech it will be actually a lot cheaper.
The thing is, that almost all optical mice are made by logitech.
Yes, even the MS optical mice are made by logitech.
Last week I disassembled my ms optical mouse and on the print inside the mouse is the same agilent camerachip with intergrated controller as is used in every logitech mouse.
Second, printed on the small circuitboard is "made by logitech".
Second, all IBM, Compaq, Dell and Apple mice are made by logitech.
Even the first Apple mouse was made by logitech.
Specifically, is it bearable on a new iBook? When I tried 10.04 on a new iBook it was like running Windows 2000 on a Pentium 133
Well, it wasn't that slow.. but it was slow.
The reason is very simple.
The finder sucked and they didn't use the graphic acceleration of the videochip.
They rewrote the finder and turned on the grpahic acceleration of the videochip.
Last weekend we had a local MUG meeting in which Apple showed both an iBook and a G4 with MacOS 10.1.
The speed difference was quitte noticable.
The speed was equal to a Pentium III 1 Ghz with windows 2000.
So, it could be a little bit better but it was quitte acceptable.
Why not something open and widespread like MPEG, MPEG2 or MPEG4? That way people on all kinds of platforms can see it without having to install crap software.
Well, actually.. quicktime is less crappy than windoze mediaplayer.
Second, believe it or not but the official MPEG4 standard is based on.... quicktime!!!
Not that not standardised crap like DVIX or so.