Ding ding ding! You win a prize. Wow, this is one of the most useful comments I've ever seen on Slashdot. Not that its really useful now. But it does answer my original question accurately.
Yeah that is very stupid. Why would you allow one of your customers to modify global routes when they don't have an AS number themselves?
I imagine that this event will introduce a lot of people to how high level internet routing works. Yes, its that vulnerable folks. Scary, but fortunately these events don't happen often. I think back in late 90s was the time when someone in Pennsylvania introduced a global route for everything to go to 0.0.0.0, which brought everything down for a day.
So the article isn't clear on it. Does this ISP have an AS number that allows them to upload global routes? I would say that they should lose it. I can't think of another way that a single ISP could take out the whole internet's access to something. Pretty crazy.
Thanks. That's pretty cool. From reading the Wikipedia article, I can see that people have investigated what I was proposing and you are right, it would take more time. Well, I guess IPv6 here we come.
And you would be wrong. We burn through 2-3/8's every few months. The effort to reclaim the legacy/8's would take longer than the time we'd gain from reclaiming them.
Where do you get this information? I'm not sure that even makes sense. A/8 is over 16 million addresses (not to insult your intelligence) and at a rate like that, I'd think we'd already be out of addresses a year ago. But if it really is being consumed that fast. Then you are right, the only solution is to switch to IPv6. And to do is right away.
Of course, there is something to be said for keeping the number of available addresses constant and keeping more idiots off the net. But that's a pipe dream.;-)
They did. Those class As are just legacy. Maybe they have tried to get those blocks back from the companies but the companies are saying no. Honestly, I would just tell the companies "tough" because if we switch to IPv6, they won't have the vanity of having such a large block anyways. I'm going to write to IANA about this.
And as I said before, the solution is to take back some of those huge class A blocks from companies like HP, Ford and GE, which are not using all the space. That would buy a few years.
You know, if its the great engineers that they want, why not just allocate $40 million or so to hiring them away from Yahoo? Getting access to Yahoo technology isn't really as big of a deal if they are talking about making something new. And great engineers are good at coming up with ideas anyways. If Microsoft couldn't think of doing things a cheaper way, then I doubt they are going to be able to drop the fat enough to fight Google. They are just throwing money at the problem when there are other ways. They could make a think tank like Xerox PARC with all the engineers they could hire for a fraction of the cost. And it would be a safer investment because what's to stop those engineers from just quiting after the buyout? $40 billion could be better spent.
Microsoft has forgotten that it doesn't take much money to get things done. A guy in a garage Bill, a guy in a garage.
This is one reason I created saferdomainsearch.com. It uses direct DNS lookups against the root name servers. No logging is done of what you search for.
I wonder if this will have any effect on web/application hosting providers who are using traffic shaping to allocate only a certain amount of bandwidth (such as 3Mbit even though they advertise having larger backbones). Or could it be applied to modules like mod_bandwidth where hosting providers cut off your web hosting if you exceed a certain amount?
Its sad to look at the list of class a allocations and know that we're almost out. All this was done before NATs became popular. I think ICANN/IANA should work on wrestling some of those class As back from companies like Ford, Apple, HP, etc. None of those companies are going to ever have 16,000,000 hosts on public IPs. I know some of those companies have already made sub allocations. We could probably buy 5-10 years if they could reclaim just the 3, 9, 13, 17, 19, 20, 34 and 40 class As and get over 130,000,000 IPs back.
I mean, if those companies complain, who cares. They wouldn't get such large and prestigious allocations in an IPv6 network anyways. So what's the difference.
I know, I know, we should move to IPv6 anyways. Just a suggestion. Poor initial planning warrants changes down the road.
What versions of Windows actually count in this series? Because I count more than 7 already:
Windows 1 - 3 Windows 95 (4) Windows 98 (5) Windows ME (6) Windows XP (7) Windows Vista (8) Windows 7 (9, because we got held back in 1st and 2nd grade)
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Ding ding ding! You win a prize. Wow, this is one of the most useful comments I've ever seen on Slashdot. Not that its really useful now. But it does answer my original question accurately.
Probably just search for BGP routing and AS numbers on wikipedia.
Yeah that is very stupid. Why would you allow one of your customers to modify global routes when they don't have an AS number themselves?
I imagine that this event will introduce a lot of people to how high level internet routing works. Yes, its that vulnerable folks. Scary, but fortunately these events don't happen often. I think back in late 90s was the time when someone in Pennsylvania introduced a global route for everything to go to 0.0.0.0, which brought everything down for a day.
So the article isn't clear on it. Does this ISP have an AS number that allows them to upload global routes? I would say that they should lose it. I can't think of another way that a single ISP could take out the whole internet's access to something. Pretty crazy.
I'm in the midwest. Same thing. DDoS?
dictate how I can use my hands!
Thanks. That's pretty cool. From reading the Wikipedia article, I can see that people have investigated what I was proposing and you are right, it would take more time. Well, I guess IPv6 here we come.
And you would be wrong. We burn through 2-3 /8's every few months. The effort to reclaim the legacy /8's would take longer than the time we'd gain from reclaiming them.
/8 is over 16 million addresses (not to insult your intelligence) and at a rate like that, I'd think we'd already be out of addresses a year ago. But if it really is being consumed that fast. Then you are right, the only solution is to switch to IPv6. And to do is right away.
;-)
Where do you get this information? I'm not sure that even makes sense. A
Of course, there is something to be said for keeping the number of available addresses constant and keeping more idiots off the net. But that's a pipe dream.
As usual, wikipedia has a good article on IPv4 exhaustion.
They did. Those class As are just legacy. Maybe they have tried to get those blocks back from the companies but the companies are saying no. Honestly, I would just tell the companies "tough" because if we switch to IPv6, they won't have the vanity of having such a large block anyways. I'm going to write to IANA about this.
Here is the story from a few weeks ago
And as I said before, the solution is to take back some of those huge class A blocks from companies like HP, Ford and GE, which are not using all the space. That would buy a few years.
You know, if its the great engineers that they want, why not just allocate $40 million or so to hiring them away from Yahoo? Getting access to Yahoo technology isn't really as big of a deal if they are talking about making something new. And great engineers are good at coming up with ideas anyways. If Microsoft couldn't think of doing things a cheaper way, then I doubt they are going to be able to drop the fat enough to fight Google. They are just throwing money at the problem when there are other ways. They could make a think tank like Xerox PARC with all the engineers they could hire for a fraction of the cost. And it would be a safer investment because what's to stop those engineers from just quiting after the buyout? $40 billion could be better spent.
Microsoft has forgotten that it doesn't take much money to get things done. A guy in a garage Bill, a guy in a garage.
This is one reason I created saferdomainsearch.com. It uses direct DNS lookups against the root name servers. No logging is done of what you search for.
I wonder if this will have any effect on web/application hosting providers who are using traffic shaping to allocate only a certain amount of bandwidth (such as 3Mbit even though they advertise having larger backbones). Or could it be applied to modules like mod_bandwidth where hosting providers cut off your web hosting if you exceed a certain amount?
It broke after playing the 100m dash in Summer Games.
What is it about spammers and tropical areas?
I guess the right thing to say here is "That's one smell that will make your head explode".
Too bad the vacuum of space will suck that smell right out of your nose.
Hmmm, let me see. Is this one it? No that's Syria. Is this it? No that's Saudi Arabia. Ah, here we go, Iran.
Its sad to look at the list of class a allocations and know that we're almost out. All this was done before NATs became popular. I think ICANN/IANA should work on wrestling some of those class As back from companies like Ford, Apple, HP, etc. None of those companies are going to ever have 16,000,000 hosts on public IPs. I know some of those companies have already made sub allocations. We could probably buy 5-10 years if they could reclaim just the 3, 9, 13, 17, 19, 20, 34 and 40 class As and get over 130,000,000 IPs back.
I mean, if those companies complain, who cares. They wouldn't get such large and prestigious allocations in an IPv6 network anyways. So what's the difference.
I know, I know, we should move to IPv6 anyways. Just a suggestion. Poor initial planning warrants changes down the road.
Heh, just an hour ago we got a Jack PC wall plugin thin client and were playing with it.
They were going to sue everyone on the planet, but they couldn't find their websites.
And by the way, what constitutes "customized" when its open source software?
This demo site is cool. Talk about optimization, these programmers put modern programmers to shame.
Now that was funny. Sorry to be a whiny brat. I'm just a bit annoyed by some other things today.
This was my story. Stupid slashdot.
What versions of Windows actually count in this series? Because I count more than 7 already:
Windows 1 - 3
Windows 95 (4)
Windows 98 (5)
Windows ME (6)
Windows XP (7)
Windows Vista (8)
Windows 7 (9, because we got held back in 1st and 2nd grade)