This was my business story: In 78 I started an insulation business using a high tech product developed in Germany, tested and approved by the DOE and the armed forces in extreme as well as normal (as in arctic/antarctic as well as lower 48). It came with 1 required week of training in installation, equipment care and repair, restrictions, cautions, and all kinds of other requirements (for example we were required to produce a 6"cube (Later a small bucket) of the material every hour of production --or at least one per install-- and to weigh, mark, save and store for one year to keep an eye on deterioration. It required a significant investment in equipment and training, you couldn't waste time and money on the usual crew of drunks insulation companies hire to staple in batts. I went to the bank, went in way over my head but it was an outstanding product and I had spent 6 months running a crew for a company in another state, so I was ready to do the work. For the first year things were golden, net profit was good (@50,000 in the first year after paying myself, allowed me to expand the business into other products and equipment) and then something happened. Another company opened up, using a product from the American company Bordens. Their price was half of ours and sales dropped some, but since I did everything word of mouth and had a really happy customer base I wasn't too worried. Here is where it gets interesting. So far it has just been a common business tale, something that happened to new businesses for generations. But this is a brave new world. I was asked to bid on a small residence in a poorer part of town. Small house, easy, half day job. The other company bid also and got the job. They came in, drilled holes in the sheetrock (in other words from the inside, big no-no) pumped the walls full, cracked a few of them in the process, skipped the spaces underneath the windows, collected the check and ran. The people in the house were upset, yes, but then the shit hit the fan. The insulation started outgassing heavily, immediately the house became uninhabitable. And remained that way for a few weeks until they called me back to see if I could fix it. This kind of stuff continued for many, many structures, and I was consulted for court cases, remediation requests, contractors calling, asking what to do with the mess they had to fix, it was a shitstorm. And two more companies were getting into the business with the same business model as the Bordens franchisee. And then the government stepped in. (please don't think I was just sitting on my ass. I was well aware that this was going to be the death of that product and was expanding and diversifying into other products and other markets, I did know how to run a successful business, an old-style successful business i would say today) The consumer product safety commission stepped in and began hearings on the dangers of this product. They listened to story after story from people whose houses, businesses, lives had been ruined by this dangerous and unreliable material. My company (the one I franchised from that is) put up a hard battle, but they didn't really get it. Owens-Corning and Johns-Mansville the two largest fiberglas insulation manufacturers in the world were behind this. OC owns Bordens, they had set up the Bordens franchisees, given them half a day of marketing and some trash for equipment and sent them out in the world. Surprise! JM was supplying the other new companies with sub-standard materials through a series of off-shore front companies. Their campaign was flawless. They had the media behind them, the government, and the witnesses (oh yeah, i had to agree that the witnesses were tellin' the truth) to get a full ban on the sale, distribution and use of a product that could have been the best product for it's place in the market. Just that it was going to supplant OC and JM fiberglas in that market niche which they didn't want to lose. So more than 10,000 small businessmen went bankrupt in the next year or so. I was one of them. I lost
this example is overdrawn and distraught. While the unions are guilty of over-protection of their members, as was probably the original case before this story became a Story, the reality is that the unions felt pressed into this insanity by employers who were going too far in the opposite direction: as in trying to make rules where union employees were only used to do a certain restricted set of jobs that required years of training and experience. Then allowing the hire of new employees who could do everything up to these few high-expertise job. Then they allowed these few jobs to be sub-contracted out and set up union shops to just do these few jobs.
What the union saw was that incoming young employees were being directed to non-union shops and away from union membership where they would, eventually, have high expertise skills. By the time they reached the level where those skills would be available to them the union meant nothing, so they wouldn't join.
So, the union's reply to these tactics was to insist on contracts where union employees had to control every part of every job so that the younger members would get complete experience and actually learn the trade. That kept union membership high, and maintained a future for the unions.
The name for employers tactics like this is called "union-busting" and the thing that made it successful was that the unions were screwed either way. Either they lost the battle up front, or they lost it in the end. Now they have lost it in the end (with constant repetition of Stories like this) and we, the public, the employees, the middle class that the union helped build, are completely screwed.
what helped me was my Insurance company's buying club. They not only used my wants and needs to choose a range of recommended high-value cars, when I chose 1 they negotiated a final price and I just had to walk in and sign the papers. Got a Hyundai Sonata hybrid for 21,000: hard to beat that kind of value added insurance company too.
well, John McCain wants them to make sure Apple is included. As near as I can tell he believes that they created everything from the computer and the internet to mobile phones and music.
Good point. At the end of world war two, because of the devastation across Europe, the Europeans took the opportunity to build all their power mains into the ground, not on stupid poles in the air. Yes it was more expensive, but it meant that they don't have the storm and tree problems (ice and snow and lightening and such) that we have in the US. We were too cheap to do it and now we are paying for it. Thanks a fuck of a lot dad!
you've got a problem with your mains, not with the power itself. I had the same thing, and after a bit of fussing and bitching and two trips by "engineers" they found some loose connections at the transformer. Problem solved.
the only possible grammatical structure (IMHO) would be: tried "to conclusion bid" litigation that way litigation is the noun being modified by the adjectival prepositional phrase "to conclusion bid" which would be some kind of special bidding mechanism that I, since IANAL, have no clue about. Is this true? damned if I know, but it would be grammatically correct.
This is similar to (but not the same as) Chomsky's "The farmer kills the duck." Something that is grammatically correct but without a discourse use in any situation.
True, too true. When I arrived in China in 2000 I was amazed that there were so goddamn many stupid Chinese people. All the Chinese I knew in the US were brilliant over-achievers, but the sad truth is that average is really much lower than you think, and that 60% of the world is below that average(yeah, you know what average intelligence means don't you? And you know how you could get 60% of people are below that average? If you don't, well, just saying')
In his journals (written in a shorthand code that was not cracked until the 1800s) Samuel Pepys, the secretary for the admiralty (or navy) for King James talks about the arrival of coffee in England in the early 1600s. He admits that he was mostly drunk by the end of lunch every day, since he started with small beer with breakfast and was drinking wine for lunch and the afternoon. When coffee arrived on the scene he tried it and loved it, as did many others (who could afford the luxury). He remarked that his productivity tripled from just being sober most of the day. It is probably not to far off point to say that the British navy that conquered 2/3 of the world in the following 100 years happened and grew because of coffee, and that without it the officers and administrators would have been too drunk to piss in a bucket.
Just as an aside, Pepys also learned to multiply on his own. Although he had graduated from... not Oxford, maybe Cambridge, now I forget... in any event he was "educated. well educated" but that did not included useless things like multiplication. He learned it because his navigators had to learn it, so he wanted to be able to judge, by their math abilities, if they were competent.
well duh, didn't you check the brand under discussion? My wife's 1998 iMac (blue and white) had the cd drive fail after a few years (she had the very earliest one, a tray!) and it was cheaper to by a junk iMac for 100 euros than to buy the drive (from LaCie as I recall, although it was a long time ago)
I understand that your specialty program means that you are stuck with having to use an old-fashioned and outdated OS, and I am sorry for you. Support for FOSS stuff? Huh? You mean like tech support like you get from the fine folks at _____? I often write the developers of programs and ask questions directly to the people who wrote the program. It is called "email."
Exchange Server. Hmmm, what is the problem? I interact with my employers exchange server every day for all the utility that you get from outlook. What is the problem with that?
What distro? Who cares, we are Linux, we are legion, we communicate and interact easily across distros. You are weird, well, maybe not weird, but what exactly is the problem with "distros?"
You get my point. Um, no, obviously I don't. If your point is that you are afraid of the future then I do understand. It's OK, MS will be there for you to support you in your old age..... I hope anyway. Really I do. I don't hate MS, or you. You all have a place in the world.
And for your final comment, I know that you don't really think that win3.1 software should run on linux. The point for you is that you should be able to run old and outdated software on Linux if you want to. And we can't? Sorry, of course we can, we can even run old kernel versions if we want to, and not have to pay money to anyone for the privilege. And, if we want to take a piece of software and make it do something that we think would be better even though the maintainer disagrees we can do that or hire someone to do it for us. Can you do that with your windows software? No, you have to take what is paid for and accept it as the best they can do for you. You are wrong my fearful friend, on all accounts.
yes good idea. What they really need to do is to hire Tim Cook to take over (or else fake Steve Jobs) and run Microsoft like Apple, which is Steve Ballmer's basic goal.
The thing is that most FAMILIES have more than one car. One of those cars should be a car that will work for long range driving, while the other car should be an electric for around town driving. I have a number of colleagues who are switching their cars to this model as one or the other wears down. It just makes sense.
rice first, then pebbles, then steel pellets, then ball bearings. Done right it takes a few years and you can hit cinderblock full strength without damage to your fist and destruction to the cinderblock. I quit the practice years ago, and my fist is not as impervious as it once was. This is an example of "wai dan Qigong," actually what I call peasant style wai dan. It uses physical stimuli for the effect. I also used a variety of other physical practices including bean bags, sticks and steel rods to strengthen my bones as part of a "peasant style nei dan qigong" which translates as "bone-marrow qigong." In truth, my final teacher has made it abundantly clear that these practices were created during the Qing Dynasty, when Chinese culture was deteriorating. They took the results of the earlier Taoist hermetic practices that achieved a "steel body" through meditation and control of the physical body by virtue, power and control. The Buddhist monks tried to work backwards from the results and created the Shaolin practices of muscle-tendon changing and bone marrow washing by "thinking" about how to get the physical result. It led them far away from the reality.
Anyway, that was years ago for me, but I still have many friends from those years, or people I call friends but who get nervous when I reject their explanations of qigong and point them back to virtue as the key. Most people want power and control of others, not virtue and control over the self for inner power that radiates equally to the good and the bad.
"movies content providers will never allow their content to be streamed" I am tempted to use the "that's what they want you to think" meme, but that's not really it.
It is that we have the creativity to find EITHER a way to get around the DRM if it is imposed in HTML5, OR find a way to deliver content that protects the true rights holders as much as they should be protected, and the end-users (who are paying some amount, even if it is just the cost of their internet connection for access to the content).
Now, let's take a second and decide which of these two basic approaches (busting imposed DRM or delivering content to everyone) would lead to more useful and productive innovation in the future, and therefore grow our technology and our society?
I've tried them all and still prefer a classic inbox. BUT, I also keep tight rein on my email, no more than 15 or so on a busy day in my gmail account, so it is not a problem. Now, my wife has been using hotmail for almost 20 years (yeah, like the beginning) and her inbox is a nightmare. Tabs would certainly help her get that baby under control and maybe I could finally convince her to drop hotmail and move everything to gmail. Just thinkin'
i have a phone, they called it a "2.5G" when I bought it. It still works for what I want and need. That is the difference: while you want all the flash and glitter of the newest thing, I stopped caring about it when it stopped being an important improvement to my life. Flash and glitter does nothing to improve my world. So I disdain the iShinies and ignore the call of the cool. I ride home on the bus so we only need one car ( a hybrid) I listen to podcasts on my tablet while I ride and if anybody calls I don't hear it. If anyone from work calls about work at home I quickly answer that it will get solved first thing tomorrow, when I am at work.
wHOOSH! 100 kph=62.5mph, if you had the choice you would obviously choose to go stupidly faster. Frankly, I wish they would set a 100kph maximum standard speed for all highways at all times. Cruise control rules!!
And fear, after 9/11 you all got shit scared of any and everything. It's heartbreaking to watch my fellow Americans shit their pants when someone scares them about silly stuff like this.
My older brother and I used to fire off a small brass mortar every night to take the flag down during flag week. Did the neighbors shit their pants? Hell no, they bitched to my dad who straightened our asses out and closed the production down. Of course my brother still has that mortar 40 years later.
Just yesterday I was reading someone who was terrified that the AB soap she required to have in her home was going to be banned and she was writing a newspaper doctor to ask what she could use around her house to protect her from the new viruses that were going to come and get her when they heard she had run out.
Let us sit quietly for a moment and remember that there are some real nutcases out in the world who are terrified of... well everything. They have existed for a couple of hundred years or so and will stay with us unless we let them feed the bugs. Their compromised immune systems might help to weaken the forward momentum of bacterial evolution by providing such easy prey that the bacteria will reverse their evolutionary thrust and become weaker.
OO is switching to the Apache license while LO is still GPLv2? did I get that right? but that is the problem, it was a conscious decision by Apache to change the license which will make it difficult to recombine. The longer the separation goes on the more difficult recombination will be I think.
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This was my business story:
In 78 I started an insulation business using a high tech product developed in Germany, tested and approved by the DOE and the armed forces in extreme as well as normal (as in arctic/antarctic as well as lower 48). It came with 1 required week of training in installation, equipment care and repair, restrictions, cautions, and all kinds of other requirements (for example we were required to produce a 6"cube (Later a small bucket) of the material every hour of production --or at least one per install-- and to weigh, mark, save and store for one year to keep an eye on deterioration.
It required a significant investment in equipment and training, you couldn't waste time and money on the usual crew of drunks insulation companies hire to staple in batts. I went to the bank, went in way over my head but it was an outstanding product and I had spent 6 months running a crew for a company in another state, so I was ready to do the work.
For the first year things were golden, net profit was good (@50,000 in the first year after paying myself, allowed me to expand the business into other products and equipment) and then something happened. Another company opened up, using a product from the American company Bordens. Their price was half of ours and sales dropped some, but since I did everything word of mouth and had a really happy customer base I wasn't too worried.
Here is where it gets interesting. So far it has just been a common business tale, something that happened to new businesses for generations. But this is a brave new world. I was asked to bid on a small residence in a poorer part of town. Small house, easy, half day job. The other company bid also and got the job. They came in, drilled holes in the sheetrock (in other words from the inside, big no-no) pumped the walls full, cracked a few of them in the process, skipped the spaces underneath the windows, collected the check and ran. The people in the house were upset, yes, but then the shit hit the fan. The insulation started outgassing heavily, immediately the house became uninhabitable. And remained that way for a few weeks until they called me back to see if I could fix it. This kind of stuff continued for many, many structures, and I was consulted for court cases, remediation requests, contractors calling, asking what to do with the mess they had to fix, it was a shitstorm. And two more companies were getting into the business with the same business model as the Bordens franchisee.
And then the government stepped in. (please don't think I was just sitting on my ass. I was well aware that this was going to be the death of that product and was expanding and diversifying into other products and other markets, I did know how to run a successful business, an old-style successful business i would say today) The consumer product safety commission stepped in and began hearings on the dangers of this product. They listened to story after story from people whose houses, businesses, lives had been ruined by this dangerous and unreliable material. My company (the one I franchised from that is) put up a hard battle, but they didn't really get it. Owens-Corning and Johns-Mansville the two largest fiberglas insulation manufacturers in the world were behind this. OC owns Bordens, they had set up the Bordens franchisees, given them half a day of marketing and some trash for equipment and sent them out in the world. Surprise! JM was supplying the other new companies with sub-standard materials through a series of off-shore front companies.
Their campaign was flawless. They had the media behind them, the government, and the witnesses (oh yeah, i had to agree that the witnesses were tellin' the truth) to get a full ban on the sale, distribution and use of a product that could have been the best product for it's place in the market. Just that it was going to supplant OC and JM fiberglas in that market niche which they didn't want to lose.
So more than 10,000 small businessmen went bankrupt in the next year or so. I was one of them. I lost
this example is overdrawn and distraught. While the unions are guilty of over-protection of their members, as was probably the original case before this story became a Story, the reality is that the unions felt pressed into this insanity by employers who were going too far in the opposite direction: as in trying to make rules where union employees were only used to do a certain restricted set of jobs that required years of training and experience. Then allowing the hire of new employees who could do everything up to these few high-expertise job. Then they allowed these few jobs to be sub-contracted out and set up union shops to just do these few jobs.
What the union saw was that incoming young employees were being directed to non-union shops and away from union membership where they would, eventually, have high expertise skills. By the time they reached the level where those skills would be available to them the union meant nothing, so they wouldn't join.
So, the union's reply to these tactics was to insist on contracts where union employees had to control every part of every job so that the younger members would get complete experience and actually learn the trade. That kept union membership high, and maintained a future for the unions.
The name for employers tactics like this is called "union-busting" and the thing that made it successful was that the unions were screwed either way. Either they lost the battle up front, or they lost it in the end. Now they have lost it in the end (with constant repetition of Stories like this) and we, the public, the employees, the middle class that the union helped build, are completely screwed.
what helped me was my Insurance company's buying club. They not only used my wants and needs to choose a range of recommended high-value cars, when I chose 1 they negotiated a final price and I just had to walk in and sign the papers. Got a Hyundai Sonata hybrid for 21,000: hard to beat that kind of value added insurance company too.
well, John McCain wants them to make sure Apple is included. As near as I can tell he believes that they created everything from the computer and the internet to mobile phones and music.
Good point. At the end of world war two, because of the devastation across Europe, the Europeans took the opportunity to build all their power mains into the ground, not on stupid poles in the air. Yes it was more expensive, but it meant that they don't have the storm and tree problems (ice and snow and lightening and such) that we have in the US. We were too cheap to do it and now we are paying for it. Thanks a fuck of a lot dad!
you've got a problem with your mains, not with the power itself. I had the same thing, and after a bit of fussing and bitching and two trips by "engineers" they found some loose connections at the transformer. Problem solved.
I have to agree since I had a Netscape.net email account (and still do BTW) in 1994.
the only possible grammatical structure (IMHO) would be: tried "to conclusion bid" litigation
that way litigation is the noun being modified by the adjectival prepositional phrase "to conclusion bid" which would be some kind of special bidding mechanism that I, since IANAL, have no clue about. Is this true? damned if I know, but it would be grammatically correct.
This is similar to (but not the same as) Chomsky's "The farmer kills the duck." Something that is grammatically correct but without a discourse use in any situation.
True, too true. When I arrived in China in 2000 I was amazed that there were so goddamn many stupid Chinese people. All the Chinese I knew in the US were brilliant over-achievers, but the sad truth is that average is really much lower than you think, and that 60% of the world is below that average(yeah, you know what average intelligence means don't you? And you know how you could get 60% of people are below that average? If you don't, well, just saying')
In his journals (written in a shorthand code that was not cracked until the 1800s) Samuel Pepys, the secretary for the admiralty (or navy) for King James talks about the arrival of coffee in England in the early 1600s. He admits that he was mostly drunk by the end of lunch every day, since he started with small beer with breakfast and was drinking wine for lunch and the afternoon.
When coffee arrived on the scene he tried it and loved it, as did many others (who could afford the luxury). He remarked that his productivity tripled from just being sober most of the day. It is probably not to far off point to say that the British navy that conquered 2/3 of the world in the following 100 years happened and grew because of coffee, and that without it the officers and administrators would have been too drunk to piss in a bucket.
Just as an aside, Pepys also learned to multiply on his own. Although he had graduated from ... not Oxford, maybe Cambridge, now I forget... in any event he was "educated. well educated" but that did not included useless things like multiplication. He learned it because his navigators had to learn it, so he wanted to be able to judge, by their math abilities, if they were competent.
well duh, didn't you check the brand under discussion?
My wife's 1998 iMac (blue and white) had the cd drive fail after a few years (she had the very earliest one, a tray!) and it was cheaper to by a junk iMac for 100 euros than to buy the drive (from LaCie as I recall, although it was a long time ago)
come on now, it don't make me no nevermind.
Linux user here, but not a photog.
I understand that your specialty program means that you are stuck with having to use an old-fashioned and outdated OS, and I am sorry for you.
Support for FOSS stuff? Huh? You mean like tech support like you get from the fine folks at _____? I often write the developers of programs and ask questions directly to the people who wrote the program. It is called "email."
Exchange Server. Hmmm, what is the problem? I interact with my employers exchange server every day for all the utility that you get from outlook. What is the problem with that?
What distro? Who cares, we are Linux, we are legion, we communicate and interact easily across distros. You are weird, well, maybe not weird, but what exactly is the problem with "distros?"
You get my point. Um, no, obviously I don't. If your point is that you are afraid of the future then I do understand. It's OK, MS will be there for you to support you in your old age..... I hope anyway. Really I do. I don't hate MS, or you. You all have a place in the world.
And for your final comment, I know that you don't really think that win3.1 software should run on linux. The point for you is that you should be able to run old and outdated software on Linux if you want to. And we can't? Sorry, of course we can, we can even run old kernel versions if we want to, and not have to pay money to anyone for the privilege.
And, if we want to take a piece of software and make it do something that we think would be better even though the maintainer disagrees we can do that or hire someone to do it for us. Can you do that with your windows software? No, you have to take what is paid for and accept it as the best they can do for you.
You are wrong my fearful friend, on all accounts.
yes good idea. What they really need to do is to hire Tim Cook to take over (or else fake Steve Jobs) and run Microsoft like Apple, which is Steve Ballmer's basic goal.
The thing is that most FAMILIES have more than one car. One of those cars should be a car that will work for long range driving, while the other car should be an electric for around town driving. I have a number of colleagues who are switching their cars to this model as one or the other wears down. It just makes sense.
rice first, then pebbles, then steel pellets, then ball bearings. Done right it takes a few years and you can hit cinderblock full strength without damage to your fist and destruction to the cinderblock. I quit the practice years ago, and my fist is not as impervious as it once was. This is an example of "wai dan Qigong," actually what I call peasant style wai dan. It uses physical stimuli for the effect. I also used a variety of other physical practices including bean bags, sticks and steel rods to strengthen my bones as part of a "peasant style nei dan qigong" which translates as "bone-marrow qigong."
In truth, my final teacher has made it abundantly clear that these practices were created during the Qing Dynasty, when Chinese culture was deteriorating. They took the results of the earlier Taoist hermetic practices that achieved a "steel body" through meditation and control of the physical body by virtue, power and control. The Buddhist monks tried to work backwards from the results and created the Shaolin practices of muscle-tendon changing and bone marrow washing by "thinking" about how to get the physical result. It led them far away from the reality.
Anyway, that was years ago for me, but I still have many friends from those years, or people I call friends but who get nervous when I reject their explanations of qigong and point them back to virtue as the key. Most people want power and control of others, not virtue and control over the self for inner power that radiates equally to the good and the bad.
Silly humans...
"movies content providers will never allow their content to be streamed"
I am tempted to use the "that's what they want you to think" meme, but that's not really it.
It is that we have the creativity to find EITHER a way to get around the DRM if it is imposed in HTML5, OR find a way to deliver content that protects the true rights holders as much as they should be protected, and the end-users (who are paying some amount, even if it is just the cost of their internet connection for access to the content).
Now, let's take a second and decide which of these two basic approaches (busting imposed DRM or delivering content to everyone) would lead to more useful and productive innovation in the future, and therefore grow our technology and our society?
Does that give a different slant on the question?
I've tried them all and still prefer a classic inbox. BUT, I also keep tight rein on my email, no more than 15 or so on a busy day in my gmail account, so it is not a problem. Now, my wife has been using hotmail for almost 20 years (yeah, like the beginning) and her inbox is a nightmare. Tabs would certainly help her get that baby under control and maybe I could finally convince her to drop hotmail and move everything to gmail. Just thinkin'
The famous Chicago bluesman Willie Dixon used to get $5 a song from Chess records.
Pretty much says it all
i have a phone, they called it a "2.5G" when I bought it. It still works for what I want and need. That is the difference: while you want all the flash and glitter of the newest thing, I stopped caring about it when it stopped being an important improvement to my life. Flash and glitter does nothing to improve my world. So I disdain the iShinies and ignore the call of the cool. I ride home on the bus so we only need one car ( a hybrid) I listen to podcasts on my tablet while I ride and if anybody calls I don't hear it. If anyone from work calls about work at home I quickly answer that it will get solved first thing tomorrow, when I am at work.
How hard is that people?
wHOOSH! 100 kph=62.5mph, if you had the choice you would obviously choose to go stupidly faster. Frankly, I wish they would set a 100kph maximum standard speed for all highways at all times. Cruise control rules!!
And fear, after 9/11 you all got shit scared of any and everything. It's heartbreaking to watch my fellow Americans shit their pants when someone scares them about silly stuff like this.
My older brother and I used to fire off a small brass mortar every night to take the flag down during flag week. Did the neighbors shit their pants? Hell no, they bitched to my dad who straightened our asses out and closed the production down. Of course my brother still has that mortar 40 years later.
Just yesterday I was reading someone who was terrified that the AB soap she required to have in her home was going to be banned and she was writing a newspaper doctor to ask what she could use around her house to protect her from the new viruses that were going to come and get her when they heard she had run out.
Let us sit quietly for a moment and remember that there are some real nutcases out in the world who are terrified of ... well everything. They have existed for a couple of hundred years or so and will stay with us unless we let them feed the bugs. Their compromised immune systems might help to weaken the forward momentum of bacterial evolution by providing such easy prey that the bacteria will reverse their evolutionary thrust and become weaker.
It may be our only hope, really.
OO is switching to the Apache license while LO is still GPLv2? did I get that right? but that is the problem, it was a conscious decision by Apache to change the license which will make it difficult to recombine. The longer the separation goes on the more difficult recombination will be I think.
Well fortunately this is happening in New Jersey, not in the USA