I see those tablet/phone style games as "mostly inferior" to the ones available on the PS3.
Maybe part of the problem is that many people see the Ouya as being a way to play tablet/phone games on your TV. Although there's a lot of (generally not very well done) ports of phone games -- expected, given that doing so is so easy for the developer -- those really aren't the best games on the Ouya.
And frankly, as a gaming machine, the PS3 is utterly superior to that Ouya.
As a "gaming machine?" Sure. But in terms of a gaming experience? That's a matter of opinion. What matters for a good gaming experience is the enjoyment that the player gets, and I get just as much enjoyment out of the Ouya as I would get from a PS3. And I've got an extra $100 (or more) in my pocket to spend on other forms of entertainment.
It's a bad buy for you. You're obviously at least somewhat serious about your video games, and they're worth more to you than they are to me. It's not a bad buy for everyone.
I said "those games" (referring to the parent poster's statement that the PS3 has "better games") not just games in general. Of course people who buy an Ouya want to play games. But to me, having those PS3 games is not worth the price of admission.
Those who claim that you can get a better gaming experience for "only" double or triple the cost are completely missing the point. For some people, there is zero chance that they will spend the money required for a big-name console. The choice is not between Ouya and a PS3; the choice is between Ouya and not having a game console. Which is where I was at for many years until the Ouya came along.
Obviously the market is not big. Those who thought that the Ouya was going to outsell the next-gen consoles got a reality check. But there really are people for which it's a good fit. It seems like whenever it comes up in discussions, there are a lot of people that believe that since it wouldn't suit them, anyone who likes it is wrong.
Which doesn't matter, if playing those games is not worth the extra price to you.
Why are some people so obsessed with the idea that everyone has to place equal values on things? I don't think you're "wrong" for not wanting an Ouya. And I'm not "wrong" for not wanting a PS3.
Oh, I agree -- if I was making the calls for a major game developer, I probably wouldn't devote the resources to Ouya either. I'm just saying that the limitations of the hardware really aren't the primary reason why Ouya doesn't have very many high-quality games -- and I don't think that a hardware refresh with more power is going to substantially change that.
These retail for $129. A Wii U is $250, the PS4 retails for $399, and Steam boxes are coming soon. So who would buy one of these?
They retail for $99, and sometimes you've been able to get them on sale for less than that. There's a big difference between $100 and $250 (or $400).
If you're buying a PS4, then you're not the target market here. I don't play enough games to make it worthwhile to buy one of the expensive consoles. The Ouya, on the other hand, is the right price.
Additionally, the Ouya hardware fell behind the market fairly quickly because of its use of a Tegra 3 which is actually quite poor in terms of graphical power. A Tegra 4 iteration should do a lot to fix this, although a Tegra K1 would be most optimal.
I've really never bought this argument. The Ouya hardware compares quite favorably with xbox/ps2 generation of consoles, but there aren't many (if any) Ouya games that come close to the quality of games on those consoles. The problem is a lack of developers targetting Ouya, not a lack of capability of the hardware itself.
I'm very pleased with my Ouya -- it's easily been worth the cost -- but it's definitely got its weak points.
His Twitter account features pictures of him, amongst other things, tied up in rope bondage aboard a train, wearing an alarmingly tight superhero costume, running in underwear on snowy streets, and a penis crafted of chocolate. He's clearly a prankster and humorist.
Nah. Those are all perfectly normal behaviors in Japan.
Somehow Dice can keep people on staff to do an interface rewrite that nobody wants, and yet they can't find somebody to proofread a dozen paragraphs of text per day.
The mistake is in the original article as well (actual name is of course the "Smartphone Theft Prevention Act"), but that doesn't excuse the/. editors for not engaging their brains.
My first thought was that this would be a really cool method of mapping caves. It turns out that this system has already been put to that use (http://www.lidarnews.com/content/view/9581/2/).
I wonder how long it will be before this kind of thing is accessible to individuals.
And, where is the link allowing people with good karma to disable ads?
Like Firefox developers, they decided that everything was better as an extension. Get Adblock, be happy.
I just disabled adblock to see what the complaint was about, and yep, there are autoplaying video ads. Some idiot has absolutely no idea who their audience is. It's getting obvious that the end for slashdot is near.
I apparently still have the option, but with lots of users complaining about it being missing it sounds like they're probably rolling out a removal -- and hoping that goes better than when they tried to roll out the beta site.
I did highschool physics in Europe with SI units...But oh, the horrors whenever, we saw a page from an American physics book:) More than half the book was about unit translation... it's convenient have kilograms, meters match up with the gravitational constant.
I studied physics in the US -- both at high school and university level -- and I can tell you that nobody actually does physics using US units. Typically an introductory course will include an early segment on converting to and from metric, but the students can generally forget all about it because the coursework will all be in SI units.
I've seen a couple old textbooks where the authors seemed to get a kick out of forcing people to convert back and forth (exercises would include mixed units), but I've never seen a book or a class in the last 20 years that did that beyond some initial work on making sure that the students know how to convert between units.
Oh, I don't disagree that doing science or engineering with imperial units is a bad idea. In reality, though, even in the U.S. everyone in the sciences uses metric in that context. I studied physics in the US, and I couldn't tell you the conversions or even the names of all the imperial units -- we don't use them either.
Apparently there are some engineering fields that actually do commonly use imperial units -- which I think is totally strange, and ought to change.
SI is better, but ease of unit conversions is at best a minor advantage. You know when the last time I had to convert between centimeters and kilometers was? Probably when I was in school, learning about using metric. I don't convert between inches and miles either -- there's just no point in most people's lives.
In fact, the only units that I have to convert between regularly are time units, and metric doesn't help you there.
It will be like the old days when Slashdot at least spell-checked the summaries and made sure the links actually worked.
That must have been before 1999, because it sure hasn't been the case since I've started reading/.. Slashdot has had some pretty good qualities, but editorial competence was never one of them.
I've wonder how they can afford to hire someone to reimplement Slashdot (badly), but for some reason they can't come up with someone whose job it is to proofread the stories being posted. It's not like all that much content is posted in a day -- it wouldn't even be a full-time job to have somebody read the summary, make sure it makes sense, check the links, and ensure that the summary actually matches the article.
People visit Slashdot for the content. That includes both the stories and the comments. The commenting community is already very strong; the links and summaries are the weak point in Slashdot's content. If they want to increase their audience, the solution is to improve that -- not to gut the comment system.
Not that you're going to be here to read this, but don't you think that the downmodders may just be normal people who are tired of reading this shit? I know I am. And I have mod points.
Yesterday, entire threads were getting hit with "offtopic" mods at exactly the same time. It was obviously the work of the "editors." Normal moderators don't work in concert like that.
The post that timothy made, though, has at least made me decide to stop trashing the comment threads for the time being. I figure that they can have a little time to get their act together and determine that the classic slashdot interface won't be going away. Might as well give them until after the boycott from 10-17 Feb. But after that -- if they're still hell-bent on screwing up the site, might as well assist in helping Slashdot completely implode.
Most importantly, we want you to know that Classic Slashdot isn't going away until we're confident that the new site is ready.
Well, that's a pretty weaselly statement, since you guys were confident enough in your new site to start redirecting a significant portion of your users there.
How about this instead -- "We will not remove Classic Slashdot." Make it an option if you really, truly believe that your beta site is actually better. You can set the new interface as the default, just make it easy to switch to the standard interface. Then everybody goes home satisfied.
Oh sorry, I forgot, that wouldn't keep the advertisers happy.
You would think that what would keep the advertisers happy would be increased page views.
I'm betting that even a week of useless threads due to complaints about the beta will cause a substantial, permanent loss of readership. If it keeps up for much longer, the site will be dead. And given the non-response of the editors so far, it looks like that's how this is going to go down.
I hope that somebody is keeping track of a history of page views, unique visitors, ad impressions, and so on. It will be a good demonstration of what happens to a company that ignores its users.
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I disagree. They way I see it, you have a political party populated by folks who view reality as merely an opposing (and invalid) viewpoint.
You mean two political parties.
I see those tablet/phone style games as "mostly inferior" to the ones available on the PS3.
Maybe part of the problem is that many people see the Ouya as being a way to play tablet/phone games on your TV. Although there's a lot of (generally not very well done) ports of phone games -- expected, given that doing so is so easy for the developer -- those really aren't the best games on the Ouya.
And frankly, as a gaming machine, the PS3 is utterly superior to that Ouya.
As a "gaming machine?" Sure. But in terms of a gaming experience? That's a matter of opinion. What matters for a good gaming experience is the enjoyment that the player gets, and I get just as much enjoyment out of the Ouya as I would get from a PS3. And I've got an extra $100 (or more) in my pocket to spend on other forms of entertainment.
It's a bad buy for you. You're obviously at least somewhat serious about your video games, and they're worth more to you than they are to me. It's not a bad buy for everyone.
I said "those games" (referring to the parent poster's statement that the PS3 has "better games") not just games in general. Of course people who buy an Ouya want to play games. But to me, having those PS3 games is not worth the price of admission.
Those who claim that you can get a better gaming experience for "only" double or triple the cost are completely missing the point. For some people, there is zero chance that they will spend the money required for a big-name console. The choice is not between Ouya and a PS3; the choice is between Ouya and not having a game console. Which is where I was at for many years until the Ouya came along.
Obviously the market is not big. Those who thought that the Ouya was going to outsell the next-gen consoles got a reality check. But there really are people for which it's a good fit. It seems like whenever it comes up in discussions, there are a lot of people that believe that since it wouldn't suit them, anyone who likes it is wrong.
The "expensive" consoles get you better games.
Which doesn't matter, if playing those games is not worth the extra price to you.
Why are some people so obsessed with the idea that everyone has to place equal values on things? I don't think you're "wrong" for not wanting an Ouya. And I'm not "wrong" for not wanting a PS3.
Oh, I agree -- if I was making the calls for a major game developer, I probably wouldn't devote the resources to Ouya either. I'm just saying that the limitations of the hardware really aren't the primary reason why Ouya doesn't have very many high-quality games -- and I don't think that a hardware refresh with more power is going to substantially change that.
These retail for $129. A Wii U is $250, the PS4 retails for $399, and Steam boxes are coming soon. So who would buy one of these?
They retail for $99, and sometimes you've been able to get them on sale for less than that. There's a big difference between $100 and $250 (or $400).
If you're buying a PS4, then you're not the target market here. I don't play enough games to make it worthwhile to buy one of the expensive consoles. The Ouya, on the other hand, is the right price.
Additionally, the Ouya hardware fell behind the market fairly quickly because of its use of a Tegra 3 which is actually quite poor in terms of graphical power. A Tegra 4 iteration should do a lot to fix this, although a Tegra K1 would be most optimal.
I've really never bought this argument. The Ouya hardware compares quite favorably with xbox/ps2 generation of consoles, but there aren't many (if any) Ouya games that come close to the quality of games on those consoles. The problem is a lack of developers targetting Ouya, not a lack of capability of the hardware itself.
I'm very pleased with my Ouya -- it's easily been worth the cost -- but it's definitely got its weak points.
"Most" and "almost all" are rather different statements, you know.
...almost all the rest of North America is English
There's a little country south of the U.S. that might disagree with that...
So make the statement yourself (without hiding behind the anonymity of Slashdot.)
You don't get to put words in someone else's mouth without their permission, though.
Someone who isn't a serious gamer probably isn't going to buy a copy of Windows just to play a game.
that some state legislature tried to pass a law that the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter be exactly equal to three
So this is your proof that right-wingers don't want to teach children life skills?
I see where you get your nickname.
His Twitter account features pictures of him, amongst other things, tied up in rope bondage aboard a train, wearing an alarmingly tight superhero costume, running in underwear on snowy streets, and a penis crafted of chocolate. He's clearly a prankster and humorist.
Nah. Those are all perfectly normal behaviors in Japan.
Somehow Dice can keep people on staff to do an interface rewrite that nobody wants, and yet they can't find somebody to proofread a dozen paragraphs of text per day.
The mistake is in the original article as well (actual name is of course the "Smartphone Theft Prevention Act"), but that doesn't excuse the /. editors for not engaging their brains.
My first thought was that this would be a really cool method of mapping caves. It turns out that this system has already been put to that use (http://www.lidarnews.com/content/view/9581/2/).
I wonder how long it will be before this kind of thing is accessible to individuals.
And, where is the link allowing people with good karma to disable ads?
Like Firefox developers, they decided that everything was better as an extension. Get Adblock, be happy.
I just disabled adblock to see what the complaint was about, and yep, there are autoplaying video ads. Some idiot has absolutely no idea who their audience is. It's getting obvious that the end for slashdot is near.
I apparently still have the option, but with lots of users complaining about it being missing it sounds like they're probably rolling out a removal -- and hoping that goes better than when they tried to roll out the beta site.
So there's some sort of rule that you either have to support all amendments to the Constitution, or none of them?
That's got to be news to an awful lot of people who oppose the second amendment.
I did highschool physics in Europe with SI units...But oh, the horrors whenever, we saw a page from an American physics book :)
More than half the book was about unit translation... it's convenient have kilograms, meters match up with the gravitational constant.
I studied physics in the US -- both at high school and university level -- and I can tell you that nobody actually does physics using US units. Typically an introductory course will include an early segment on converting to and from metric, but the students can generally forget all about it because the coursework will all be in SI units.
I've seen a couple old textbooks where the authors seemed to get a kick out of forcing people to convert back and forth (exercises would include mixed units), but I've never seen a book or a class in the last 20 years that did that beyond some initial work on making sure that the students know how to convert between units.
Oh, I don't disagree that doing science or engineering with imperial units is a bad idea. In reality, though, even in the U.S. everyone in the sciences uses metric in that context. I studied physics in the US, and I couldn't tell you the conversions or even the names of all the imperial units -- we don't use them either.
Apparently there are some engineering fields that actually do commonly use imperial units -- which I think is totally strange, and ought to change.
SI is better, but ease of unit conversions is at best a minor advantage. You know when the last time I had to convert between centimeters and kilometers was? Probably when I was in school, learning about using metric. I don't convert between inches and miles either -- there's just no point in most people's lives.
In fact, the only units that I have to convert between regularly are time units, and metric doesn't help you there.
It will be like the old days when Slashdot at least spell-checked the summaries and made sure the links actually worked.
That must have been before 1999, because it sure hasn't been the case since I've started reading /.. Slashdot has had some pretty good qualities, but editorial competence was never one of them.
I've wonder how they can afford to hire someone to reimplement Slashdot (badly), but for some reason they can't come up with someone whose job it is to proofread the stories being posted. It's not like all that much content is posted in a day -- it wouldn't even be a full-time job to have somebody read the summary, make sure it makes sense, check the links, and ensure that the summary actually matches the article.
People visit Slashdot for the content. That includes both the stories and the comments. The commenting community is already very strong; the links and summaries are the weak point in Slashdot's content. If they want to increase their audience, the solution is to improve that -- not to gut the comment system.
Not that you're going to be here to read this, but don't you think that the downmodders may just be normal people who are tired of reading this shit? I know I am. And I have mod points.
Yesterday, entire threads were getting hit with "offtopic" mods at exactly the same time. It was obviously the work of the "editors." Normal moderators don't work in concert like that.
The post that timothy made, though, has at least made me decide to stop trashing the comment threads for the time being. I figure that they can have a little time to get their act together and determine that the classic slashdot interface won't be going away. Might as well give them until after the boycott from 10-17 Feb. But after that -- if they're still hell-bent on screwing up the site, might as well assist in helping Slashdot completely implode.
Most importantly, we want you to know that Classic Slashdot isn't going away until we're confident that the new site is ready.
Well, that's a pretty weaselly statement, since you guys were confident enough in your new site to start redirecting a significant portion of your users there.
How about this instead -- "We will not remove Classic Slashdot." Make it an option if you really, truly believe that your beta site is actually better. You can set the new interface as the default, just make it easy to switch to the standard interface. Then everybody goes home satisfied.
No, not really. There's a lot of crap software out there that gets the job done, though, and the original slashdot is one of them.
Oh sorry, I forgot, that wouldn't keep the advertisers happy.
You would think that what would keep the advertisers happy would be increased page views.
I'm betting that even a week of useless threads due to complaints about the beta will cause a substantial, permanent loss of readership. If it keeps up for much longer, the site will be dead. And given the non-response of the editors so far, it looks like that's how this is going to go down.
I hope that somebody is keeping track of a history of page views, unique visitors, ad impressions, and so on. It will be a good demonstration of what happens to a company that ignores its users.