I have to say, anyone that recommends Shreve Systems to buy Mac gear has never used them, or their last name is Shreve. The place is horrible, has high prices, has been in trouble with the BBB and used Mac buyers all around the country. I would be far more trustworthy of the many deals on eBay with the positive feedback ratings in the hundreds selling great Mac gear at unbelievable prices... probably 25-30% of that you would pay at Shreve. My recommendations for a good, used PPC Mac - buy the cheapest PowerMac 7500 you can. As a base unit, it only has a 100 MHz 601 Chip (1st generation) but it is the only 601-based PPC Mac that has the processor daughtercard (with G3 daughtercards starting at $200, true plug and play) and the only 601-based PPC with PCI. Plug in your VooDoo 2/3, NICs.. whatever. Plus BeOS needs the PCI to run, and it will run all the good Linix versions for Mac. a base 7500 should set you back $300.. maybe less.. complete with ram, hard drive, keyboard, mouse.
Creative control of Slashdot will remain where it always has been.
Matt: We're here live at a press confrence to announce the merger between Andover.net and VA Linux. Maybe I can get a question in... ROB!! ROB!! What do you have to say about the merger?
Actually, Jesus spent a lot of his life in brothels and in the accompanyment of prostitutes. Many scholars believe he helped himself to their services often also.
Correction: it won't run on PPC601-chips (it needs at least a 603)
BZZZZZZZZZZ...
You sir are incorrect. BeOS will in fact run on the only 601 PPC-Based Mac with PCI slots, that being a base 7500. BeOS does not have trouble with the 601 chip, it's trouble is with the architecture design of the Nubus Macs.
C'mon.. two thousand plus NDA's and this is all we get. Talk about the hype and rumor not even coming close to living up to the truth. I can't imagine a more disappointing announcement. Low power? I'll take PowerPC.. C'mon C'mon I know that the Crusoe will blow it away in terms of wattages, but isn't the PowerPC cool enough? Ok, given the fact that it's so cool, it could easily scale into faster speed ranges, but every chip on the market is claiming that they can scale into the multi-gigahertz range. What's new? What's exciting? This sounds like another StrongARM! Everyone that is excited is just so since they don't want to appear to detract from their lord 'n savior, Linus... fair enough... but call it what it is..
The real link and an apology
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I am on crack. The Demo CD is now up to the current version V. 4.5, and the link directly to it is here.
It costs $10, but if you purchase the demo CD you can knock $10 off the purchase of 4.5. Not like anyone is going to be purchasing 4.5 with 5.0 being.. ahem free. I would say now it's just a matter of waiting for the free 5.0.
Re:Things are looking up!!
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There is a demo of Ver. 3 available.. it's like $5 or something.. I've got one.. nothing spectacular... boots from the CD.. you can't install on any media...
Given the choice, I would choose BeOS over Linux 10 times out of 10. This is an incredible move.. I hope Gassee has the finances worked out properly.. he should be seeing BeOS getting about 5X the desktops it has now on day #1, but almost no revenue coming in. Long Live BE!
I am quite sure that Steve Jobs can be all the asshole that he is legendary for being, but I still love and use an Apple Computer that he created. Not only that, but I would also love to work for the guy.
We can point out the flaws in people and still not have to neglect the quality work that they have accomplished. I would say the lack of a tarball is hurting a lot of the slashdot community... and malda seems pretty touchy about it.
After that if you've got extra time spend a few bucks and buy fountainhead or atlas shrugged... you can see where our sad little government is taking this country. pathetic.
to be enlightened, read ayn rands "anthem" thanks to my boys at project gutenberg.
After that if you've got extra time spend a few bucks and buy fountainhead or atlas shrugged... you can see where our sad little government is taking this country. pathetic.
This is the biggest "who cares" interview yet, as you can easily rate by the number of responses... I guess I am glad that these guys are working on the technologies, but I really don't care what they have to say. Get back to work!
I guess it just goes to show - if you want to be rich and famous, don't work in cryptography.
For my network, I use the planets. Kinda lame and already done, but it makes sense. The firewall/computer seen by the world is sun since everything inside my network must revolve around it. My personal computer is mercury just 'cause. Wife's computer is Venus. Our NeXT is Saturn. Earth is a Macintosh not hooked up currently, and my laptop is Luna - Spanish for moon, since the laptop can be a satellite. I was going to go a little more in depth and make the laptop a name of a Saturn moon or some such thing, but I didn't want to get too obscure.
Just for the real curious, here is my schools (Mich. State. U.) Computer Science Department's workstation/server Name List
I don't really see what the problem here is. It's not like people that are going to be going this route and paying all this money for this level of performance are going to expect to download the Netscape RPM from redhat.com and have it install cleanly. Obviously things like these clustering technologies are going to be used in places where custom software is going to be written to take advantage of the technology. In the end, the company that forks over all the dough to create such a technology is going to be the one hurting if they then decide to go back to a "standard vanilla" Linux-clone.
The more diversity the better. This can better serve the market for people that need the clustering technologies, not for joe-blow hobbyist... More Linux around the better...
Jeez, people really are smart and in the end are only limited by their imagination. It really depresses me to hear all these cool things that people are accomplishing while I am stuck doing all the rinky-dink sh!t that I do in a day...
wake up read ten web sites shower read ten additional web sites add three comments on slashdot eat something play quake/doom/star wars read more web sites drink drink eat sleep
I guess I should get some more proper motivation or something.. does Tony Robbins read slashdot?
I guess in the end, I have to ask - what the hell does it all mean? I am a fairly technical guy and if you ask me what's better - shuffling around 32 bits at a time or 64, I would say 64. However, I also know that nearly all (if not all) of the applications today are optimized for the current psuedo-32 bit environment that we "live" in. Who is willing to go back and rewrite all this code to be 64 bit happy? And if someone does that, who is to say that the time in development would pan out to be worth the increase in speed or flexability.
So, I wonder.. what does it mean to me? Fun to toy with for the next, say... 3 years? Or will I really be running a 64-bit machine 3 years (or less) from now on my desktop?
Apple - Stuck in the middle with the iBook
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Well, here's the deal with the iBooks. Apple's entire goal with the oft-used "four squares on a table napkin" theory is that there is total differentiation between the available products. If you are a student, on a limited budget and want a laptop (assuming you are Apple centric to begin with) there is no choice, it's a no brainer. You want an iBook. If you want a no-compromise machine (since an iBook is really just a Powerbook with some compromises) then you purchase a Powerbook. But, Apple wants to avoid at all costs someone having to wonder what machine is for them.
In the past this really has caused some additional painful decisions. For example, how much would it have cost to add FireWire onto say the second (266 MHz) or third (333 MHz) generation of iMacs. Very little actually, and it would have sold a lot more machines (a digital video editing solution for $1299 a year ago would've been nifty). However, it would have caused people to have that momentary pause. If I am a "not so informed" digital video producer or the joe moron guy in HR that orders my computers, I sit and wonder, which machine, a G3 or a iMac do I order? By not adding Firewire, the choice is simple. If I need digital video input, I buy a G3. No question.
I see the same thing happening with the iBook. The video chip is only a 4 MB AGP chip (one or two year old technology) but is more than suffecient for most web surfing/e-mailing/word processing needs. The water gets a little murkier considering the audience of the machines being in the market for games, but I think Apple made the right choice...
Interesting theory, but it doesn't hold water. If Apple had competition in the Mac box arena it would make no difference here. Motorola's inability to deliver would mess up everyone equally.
While it's true that if there were cloners, they would not be able to deliver G4 systems, they certainly would be able to deliver better products than Apple is currently hawking. Yes, the AltiVec engine can provide some amazing speedups, but the core of the chip is exactly the same as the G3, which can easily spec up to 1 GHz and beyond. Whose to say that if the cloners were still around we wouldn't be seeing a 800 MHz G3 available on the market. For most of us (surf the web, read e-mail, compile) this would smoke a 350, 400, 450 or 500 MHz G4 (aka G3 + AltiVec)
I purchased several clone systems and deal with the makers was spectacular. The best part seemed to be they only offered items that were actually available. I bought a then cutting edge Motorola StarMax 5000 with a 300 MHz chip, and recieved it two days later. Stomp on my foot and call me Charlene! What service!
As a former Apple employee, I can say - what a blunder. Holy momma. I understand removing the 500 MHz version from your web site if you cannot produce enough chips, but don't cancel peoples orders. Work as hard as you can, even at a loss, and fulfill those orders (though the 500 MHz machines were what? $3,500 minimum... gotta be some profit in that number) and accept no more. But to bump your lowest machine from 400 to 350 MHz sure looks like you are moving backwards. Hmm, that's funny, it's becuase you are moving backwards!
Just look at the FF8 movies. Even compared to the whole mini-movie that Pixar did of the chess dudes they are both very close.
Your comparison speaks volumes. The Pixar mini-movie of the chess dudes is from when? 1996? Several years old and many generations old in terms of animation technology. You are comparing the best that Square has to offer against Pixar's first pieces of work.
Let's look back at "Oracle" Ellison's predictions, in chronological order:
1994 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1994 to be the year of the Network Computer" - PC Week
1995 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1995 to be the year of the Network Computer" - PC Magazine
1996 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1996 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Network Computing
1997 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1997 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Thin Client Today
1998 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1998 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Farmers Journal Quarterly
1999 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1999 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Linux Journal
I hope Slashdot doesn't become another magazine to fall into this moronic trap of falling for every Oracle press release. Overall, prophet Ellison has proved himself a little short on vision.
informative? I don't understand. This comment did nothing to disprove the points that were made on the page. I come here looking for some good retorts to this, and instead I get the usual "playground bully" tactic of "oh yeah, well, your mother wears army boots".. sad...
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I have to say, anyone that recommends Shreve Systems to buy Mac gear has never used them, or their last name is Shreve. The place is horrible, has high prices, has been in trouble with the BBB and used Mac buyers all around the country. I would be far more trustworthy of the many deals on eBay with the positive feedback ratings in the hundreds selling great Mac gear at unbelievable prices... probably 25-30% of that you would pay at Shreve. My recommendations for a good, used PPC Mac - buy the cheapest PowerMac 7500 you can. As a base unit, it only has a 100 MHz 601 Chip (1st generation) but it is the only 601-based PPC Mac that has the processor daughtercard (with G3 daughtercards starting at $200, true plug and play) and the only 601-based PPC with PCI. Plug in your VooDoo 2/3, NICs.. whatever. Plus BeOS needs the PCI to run, and it will run all the good Linix versions for Mac. a base 7500 should set you back $300.. maybe less.. complete with ram, hard drive, keyboard, mouse.
Creative control of Slashdot will remain where it always has been.
Matt: We're here live at a press confrence to announce the merger between Andover.net and VA Linux. Maybe I can get a question in... ROB!! ROB!! What do you have to say about the merger?
Rob: No Comment
Actually, Jesus spent a lot of his life in brothels and in the accompanyment of prostitutes. Many scholars believe he helped himself to their services often also.
Correction: it won't run on PPC601-chips (it needs at least a 603)
BZZZZZZZZZZ...
You sir are incorrect. BeOS will in fact run on the only 601 PPC-Based Mac with PCI slots, that being a base 7500. BeOS does not have trouble with the 601 chip, it's trouble is with the architecture design of the Nubus Macs.
C'mon.. two thousand plus NDA's and this is all we get. Talk about the hype and rumor not even coming close to living up to the truth. I can't imagine a more disappointing announcement. Low power? I'll take PowerPC.. C'mon C'mon I know that the Crusoe will blow it away in terms of wattages, but isn't the PowerPC cool enough? Ok, given the fact that it's so cool, it could easily scale into faster speed ranges, but every chip on the market is claiming that they can scale into the multi-gigahertz range. What's new? What's exciting? This sounds like another StrongARM! Everyone that is excited is just so since they don't want to appear to detract from their lord 'n savior, Linus... fair enough... but call it what it is..
I am on crack. The Demo CD is now up to the current version V. 4.5, and the link directly to it is here.
It costs $10, but if you purchase the demo CD you can knock $10 off the purchase of 4.5. Not like anyone is going to be purchasing 4.5 with 5.0 being.. ahem free. I would say now it's just a matter of waiting for the free 5.0.
There is a demo of Ver. 3 available.. it's like $5 or something.. I've got one.. nothing spectacular... boots from the CD.. you can't install on any media...
bedepot.com I think has it
Given the choice, I would choose BeOS over Linux 10 times out of 10. This is an incredible move.. I hope Gassee has the finances worked out properly.. he should be seeing BeOS getting about 5X the desktops it has now on day #1, but almost no revenue coming in. Long Live BE!
Not at all hypocritical.
I am quite sure that Steve Jobs can be all the asshole that he is legendary for being, but I still love and use an Apple Computer that he created. Not only that, but I would also love to work for the guy.
We can point out the flaws in people and still not have to neglect the quality work that they have accomplished. I would say the lack of a tarball is hurting a lot of the slashdot community... and malda seems pretty touchy about it.
fuck this government.
to be enlightened, read ayn rands "anthem" thanks to my boys at project gutenberg.
After that if you've got extra time spend a few bucks and buy fountainhead or atlas shrugged... you can see where our sad little government is taking this country. pathetic.
fuck this government.
to be enlightened, read ayn rands "anthem" thanks to my boys at project gutenberg.
After that if you've got extra time spend a few bucks and buy fountainhead or atlas shrugged... you can see where our sad little government is taking this country. pathetic.
This is the biggest "who cares" interview yet, as you can easily rate by the number of responses... I guess I am glad that these guys are working on the technologies, but I really don't care what they have to say. Get back to work!
I guess it just goes to show - if you want to be rich and famous, don't work in cryptography.
For my network, I use the planets. Kinda lame and already done, but it makes sense. The firewall/computer seen by the world is sun since everything inside my network must revolve around it. My personal computer is mercury just 'cause. Wife's computer is Venus. Our NeXT is Saturn. Earth is a Macintosh not hooked up currently, and my laptop is Luna - Spanish for moon, since the laptop can be a satellite. I was going to go a little more in depth and make the laptop a name of a Saturn moon or some such thing, but I didn't want to get too obscure.
Just for the real curious, here is my schools (Mich. State. U.) Computer Science Department's workstation/server Name List
I don't really see what the problem here is. It's not like people that are going to be going this route and paying all this money for this level of performance are going to expect to download the Netscape RPM from redhat.com and have it install cleanly. Obviously things like these clustering technologies are going to be used in places where custom software is going to be written to take advantage of the technology. In the end, the company that forks over all the dough to create such a technology is going to be the one hurting if they then decide to go back to a "standard vanilla" Linux-clone.
The more diversity the better. This can better serve the market for people that need the clustering technologies, not for joe-blow hobbyist... More Linux around the better...
Jeez, people really are smart and in the end are only limited by their imagination. It really depresses me to hear all these cool things that people are accomplishing while I am stuck doing all the rinky-dink sh!t that I do in a day...
wake up
read ten web sites
shower
read ten additional web sites
add three comments on slashdot
eat something
play quake/doom/star wars
read more web sites
drink
drink
eat
sleep
I guess I should get some more proper motivation or something.. does Tony Robbins read slashdot?
I guess in the end, I have to ask - what the hell does it all mean? I am a fairly technical guy and if you ask me what's better - shuffling around 32 bits at a time or 64, I would say 64. However, I also know that nearly all (if not all) of the applications today are optimized for the current psuedo-32 bit environment that we "live" in. Who is willing to go back and rewrite all this code to be 64 bit happy? And if someone does that, who is to say that the time in development would pan out to be worth the increase in speed or flexability.
So, I wonder.. what does it mean to me? Fun to toy with for the next, say... 3 years? Or will I really be running a 64-bit machine 3 years (or less) from now on my desktop?
Well, here's the deal with the iBooks. Apple's entire goal with the oft-used "four squares on a table napkin" theory is that there is total differentiation between the available products. If you are a student, on a limited budget and want a laptop (assuming you are Apple centric to begin with) there is no choice, it's a no brainer. You want an iBook. If you want a no-compromise machine (since an iBook is really just a Powerbook with some compromises) then you purchase a Powerbook. But, Apple wants to avoid at all costs someone having to wonder what machine is for them.
In the past this really has caused some additional painful decisions. For example, how much would it have cost to add FireWire onto say the second (266 MHz) or third (333 MHz) generation of iMacs. Very little actually, and it would have sold a lot more machines (a digital video editing solution for $1299 a year ago would've been nifty). However, it would have caused people to have that momentary pause. If I am a "not so informed" digital video producer or the joe moron guy in HR that orders my computers, I sit and wonder, which machine, a G3 or a iMac do I order? By not adding Firewire, the choice is simple. If I need digital video input, I buy a G3. No question.
I see the same thing happening with the iBook. The video chip is only a 4 MB AGP chip (one or two year old technology) but is more than suffecient for most web surfing/e-mailing/word processing needs. The water gets a little murkier considering the audience of the machines being in the market for games, but I think Apple made the right choice...
Interesting theory, but it doesn't hold water. If Apple had competition in the Mac box arena it would make no difference here. Motorola's inability to deliver would mess up everyone equally.
While it's true that if there were cloners, they would not be able to deliver G4 systems, they certainly would be able to deliver better products than Apple is currently hawking. Yes, the AltiVec engine can provide some amazing speedups, but the core of the chip is exactly the same as the G3, which can easily spec up to 1 GHz and beyond. Whose to say that if the cloners were still around we wouldn't be seeing a 800 MHz G3 available on the market. For most of us (surf the web, read e-mail, compile) this would smoke a 350, 400, 450 or 500 MHz G4 (aka G3 + AltiVec)
I purchased several clone systems and deal with the makers was spectacular. The best part seemed to be they only offered items that were actually available. I bought a then cutting edge Motorola StarMax 5000 with a 300 MHz chip, and recieved it two days later. Stomp on my foot and call me Charlene! What service!
{Sarcasim}Thank you for posting twice{/End Sarcasim}
Just for your info
As a former Apple employee, I can say - what a blunder. Holy momma. I understand removing the 500 MHz version from your web site if you cannot produce enough chips, but don't cancel peoples orders. Work as hard as you can, even at a loss, and fulfill those orders (though the 500 MHz machines were what? $3,500 minimum... gotta be some profit in that number) and accept no more. But to bump your lowest machine from 400 to 350 MHz sure looks like you are moving backwards. Hmm, that's funny, it's becuase you are moving backwards!
Just look at the FF8 movies. Even compared to the whole mini-movie that Pixar did of the chess dudes they are both very close.
Your comparison speaks volumes. The Pixar mini-movie of the chess dudes is from when? 1996? Several years old and many generations old in terms of animation technology. You are comparing the best that Square has to offer against Pixar's first pieces of work.
Let's look back at "Oracle" Ellison's predictions, in chronological order:
1994 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1994 to be the year of the Network Computer" - PC Week
1995 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1995 to be the year of the Network Computer" - PC Magazine
1996 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1996 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Network Computing
1997 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1997 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Thin Client Today
1998 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1998 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Farmers Journal Quarterly
1999 - "Oracle chief Larry Ellison proclaims 1999 to be the year of the Network Computer" - Linux Journal
I hope Slashdot doesn't become another magazine to fall into this moronic trap of falling for every Oracle press release. Overall, prophet Ellison has proved himself a little short on vision.
informative? I don't understand. This comment did nothing to disprove the points that were made on the page. I come here looking for some good retorts to this, and instead I get the usual "playground bully" tactic of "oh yeah, well, your mother wears army boots".. sad...
Why.. it looks.. yes.. it looks like.... a PORTAL...
Doing my best to fuel the insane portal mania
Does anybody other than mom and pop on the 'Net for the first time actually use a friggin "portal"?