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Why is US citizenship required? Its especially funny as the professor conducting the camp is a Briton and not a US citizen. And its not like mines us explosives only in the US. People come to the US from all over the world for the best education available. Why would you think a foreigner who wants to be a mining engineer is not a valid candidate?
Exactly my point . Instead of trying to make corn do what sugarcane can do why not work on sugarcane so it can grow in temperate conditions with less water. The Israelis have done wonderfull work on making rice - a crop even more water thirsty than sugarcane- to to grow in the Negev desert. Doesnt even need to hurt the farmers lobby. The same farmers growing corn could grow the drought resistant sugarcane. The plus is you save all the energy spent on converting corn to something which can be fermented into alcohol
If we are going the genetic engineering route why not just genengineer Sugarcane to grow where corn grows? Sugarcane based Ethanol is a proven technology in Brazil. For that matter while we are playing god why not just genengineer humans to be able to run as fast as cars so we can just run everywhere . Also genengineer some of them to be able to carry huge loads at somewhat lower speeds and they can replace trucks and truckers. While this may be extreme how about genengineering humans to convert McD burgers to pure alcohol pee. We could solve the obesity and fuel problem at the same time. Cars would need to be modified to have sanitary fittings in the driver seat to get the fuel but Detroit should be able to do that. If not the Japanese are famous for innovative toilet fittings.
If you have debt you pay it back. If you dont have money you work it off. Stop sensationalizing it by calling it slavery. Its no different than paying off million dollar houses in San Jose over 40 years. Its just another way of living beyond your means. Left to themselves most third world farmers would starve in a year as that is the xtent of their means- getting food to live for 40 years is living beyond their means for them. Sucks but thats capitalism. If you dont like it you should vote for the Communist Party of America candidate in the next election.
Lets create a human sugarcane hybrid so humans can convert McDonalds burgers into pure alcohol urine. Then everyone driving an SUV could sit in their drivers seat and pee their way to wherever they want. Solving the global warming and obesity problem at the same time !!!!
Seriously 36K that works out to 14.5 Lakh Indian Rupees. Most of my classmates who stayed back in India make more than that. And with that salary they get to hire a driver to drive them to work, a maid to clean their place, a cook to cook or they can eat out every day. You should really consider moving to India. A lot of Indian outsourcers are trying to hire white faces to do the customer interaction so as to reduce the backlash against outsourcing
I don't know about shitty but it is kind of expected that all the wireless providers will have the same level of service as 95% of US providers (by customer base) use the same software to run their systems - Amdocs Ensemble. So it all works the same way. The only difference is in marketing and how big a smile you get at their stores. Even the CRM runs on AMDOCS Clarify so all the call center reps are working from the same script.
Nope . Noone leaves the carts in the central driving area. They leave it in the parking spaces so only a parking space is wasted or even better they leave it in the dead zone provided next to handicapped parking spots for unloading wheelchairs.
Speaking of life following America movies (I hesitate to use the word art for what Hollywood produces...) whats next? Will we have a a US President embark on a false war to solve his domestic problems ala Dogs of War... Wait that already happened didnt it? Never Mind
But what Google is actually offering is to put context ads on the blogs which are opposing the HMOs. So right next to an HMO blasting blog u will see an ad for the HMO. Kind of like selling the context words pro-life to say Planned Parenthood so any blog blasting abortion would have a Planned Parenthood ad next to it. Its not evil its hilarious!!!
Just the fact that they are so marketing driven to have a slogan shows they are evil. After all all marketing is evil but waht more can you expect from what is basically an advertizing firm which happens to use tech a lot. I mean nothing besides ads makes money for Google.
Reminds me of a joke my Israeli colleagues sent me a couple of hours after Sep 11
20 First class airline tickets 100000 dollars 4 Airliners 800 million dollars 2 Skyscraper 2 Billion dollars Palestinian children smiling (this had a picture from UNICEF) - Priceless
I guess having bombs go off every month gives you a sense of humor regarding other peoples tragedies.
Now they are not supposed to have a life. Techies didnt have a life in college. They need to get their kicks in sometime. Retirement is a nono as with all the soda few will live to see retirement
Believe me 90% of PhD thesis are no better than this. A PhD just means you had the preseverance to stick around till your Advisor felt he/she had extracted their pound of flesh in free labor and let you graduate. No wonder most of the really innovative companies seem to be founded by PhD dropouts and not PhDs.
The reason they dont want an American worker for the job is a foreigner has been doing the job already for 4 to 5 years on an H1B and now they dont want to throw out their loyal worker and say Thanks for your service but now we need to fire you as you are not a GC holder. The whole mess of the GC system could be solved by letting the companies use the original ads they used to hire the exisitng worker to prove they searched for Americans first instead of having to reissue ads when the person has already been working for many years. Frankly the foreigner was hired in the first place as no American were available. If Americans were available they would always be hired because once you factor in the cost of applying for H1B, lawyers fees and relocation even hiring a foreigner at 60 K has a higher cost to company than hiring an American at 75 K . So Americans already have a 25% built in advantage. If despite that people complain well there are always a few whiners like Programmers Guild (1500 email addresses do not a movement make. Wonder how many of those email addresses are dupes or invalid addresses)
How would a company save money by getting a GC for an existing worker? As soon as the worker has the GC they can leave so the company has to pay a competitive wage. And by the very nature of the programming job which is changing all the time if one of the requirements is to know the job already there cannot be any qualified candidate other than the one who is already doing the job so where are you getting your hypothetical qualified citizen candidate from? Unless someone on the same team applies for his teammates job just to slow down his GC. Playing dirty politics like that would not be below the level of some of the people posting on slashdot.
H1B employess pay all the taxes American citizens pay but take back much less as they are not eligible for social security , free retraining and a host of other tax deductions (e.g. they cant claim child tax credit on their foreign born kids). Also the government did not have to spend money on their education via subsidized loans or instate tuition as either they got educated in their own countries or paid full out of state tuitions to study in American universities. So if the governments real priority was to get more TAX PAYING workers they would actively discourage hiring of American by saying you have to advertise for H1Bs before you hire an American . Obviously the government doesnt do that so the government actually does care more for American citizens even if they are financial drains so boasting about paying taxes is not going to win this argument for you. Besides if America can demand other countries open up their markets to American exports which result in closing of local factories and huge unemployment its kind of hypocritical when these now unemployed workers (and their children) retrain in IT and want to work in America. Free movement of goods without free movement of people is colonialism by another name. I am sure Americans dont want their country to be a colonial empire building state as such states generally dont treat their own citizens with a lot more respect than they treat their colonial subjects.
The H1B program freed up really innovative people to go do startups like YouTube while the grunt work could be done by someone else. It also enabled USA to keep in country the large numbers of foreigners graduating from its Computer Science programs who would otherwise have left due to the stupid backlogs in the GC program. Huge numbers of the new startups including Google, Yahoo, Ebay, Amazon have been built on the contributions of these American educated H1B workers. Without H1B you would still be browsing text based web on Lynx on a dial up line. And of course no slashdot either. Would you prefer that?
The entire green card process gives Americans an advantage as it is always cheaper to get an equally qualified American as you dont have to spend the large amounts of lawyers fees. So Americans already are getting an advantage so what exactly is Programmer's guild complaining about? And the fact of the matter is by the time a company pursues a GC for someone the person probably has been working on an H1B for a while and knows the companies internal systems. Even an equally intelligent outside candidate wont be able to come in and be as productive as the candidate who is already knows the systems. Still the companies are still going to the extent of interviewing candidates in the unlikely case they find someone who knows their internal systems and at the same time doesnt want a higher salary (people always want higher salaries to change jobs else why change?). The entire system is stupid. Employers should be free to hire who they want. How would you feel if there was a law saying before you can buy a pair of jeans made in China you have to put out ads for American jean manufacturing companies and prove that there are no American companies able to provide jeans. Its hypocritical to benefit from the free trade in goods but refuse to allow free trade in labor. Immigration and national borders are a very recent development (not more than 400 years). For the majority of history people could travel freely to wherever they wanted and if they followed the law of the land and paid their taxes the government left them alone.(Just ask did Paul have to apply for an EB4 Religious worker visa to take Christianity to Rome or did Christopher Columbus (an Italian) have an EB2 Alien of extraordinary ability visa to work for the Spanish government when he started out to find India, got lost and found America?)
If today there was a comet strike and all plants died out due to nuclear winter there would still be enough food just in Walmarts distribution chain to last 6 months. Embargoes dont work in the modern age. You are still thinking civil war when the fastest mode of transport was the horse. Hell America could not maintain an embargo on Iraq a puny country , what makes you think anyone can enforce an embargo on USA.
There are a lot of skilled labor jobs which are much more economically benefiting than farming . Not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. Manufacturing, services, IT, financial sector, retail, even the limited amount of hydroponic fruit and vegetable growing in cities can more than adequately absorb the farm workforce. Anyway its not as if a lot of Americans are employed in agriculture. American agriculture mainly consists of large landowners (who like to call themselves farmers but are more like the nobles of feudal Europe), a very small number of skilled technicians who run the machines and a moderate no of temporary imported slave labor to do the things machines cant do. Not a lot of American jobs are supported by the American farming sector unless you want to count the Washington lobbyists paid by large Agricultural conglomerates to make sure their taxpayer funded profits are kept safe.
The majority of American farms grow commodity products like corn and soya for export. So the argument about spending fuel to bring food to market is null and void. The food is not been grown for American consumption but for export. Infact all the government subsidies are export subsidies. None are for growing fruits and vegetables closer to cities. If only fresh fruit and vegetables is grown in farms near cities and the rest is imported America would need a much smaller farm sector. The only loser are the huge agricultural conglomerates with thousand hectare farms who would lose their taxpayer funded profits. How much skewed the farm sector is in USA is evident from the fact that people actually talk about burning food (corn) for fuel. Thats how distorted the government subsidies have made the farm sector. Abolish farm subsidies. Have some kind of tax break for locally grown fruits and vegetables and import the rest. The arguments about not needing only Engineers and scientists is a stupid argument. There are many levels of skilled labor between picking strawberries and launching shuttles - manufacturing for instance. If the money saved on farm subsidies is merely redirected to the auto industry for example American automobiles will be competitive in the world again. Basically the entire country is being held hostage by the farm lobby. Britain imports most of its food and doesnt seem to need to go to war to get its food so why would America need to?
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Why is US citizenship required? Its especially funny as the professor conducting the camp is a Briton and not a US citizen. And its not like mines us explosives only in the US. People come to the US from all over the world for the best education available. Why would you think a foreigner who wants to be a mining engineer is not a valid candidate?
The application deadline is on April Fool's day? Isnt that a blast?
Exactly my point . Instead of trying to make corn do what sugarcane can do why not work on sugarcane so it can grow in temperate conditions with less water. The Israelis have done wonderfull work on making rice - a crop even more water thirsty than sugarcane- to to grow in the Negev desert. Doesnt even need to hurt the farmers lobby. The same farmers growing corn could grow the drought resistant sugarcane. The plus is you save all the energy spent on converting corn to something which can be fermented into alcohol
If we are going the genetic engineering route why not just genengineer Sugarcane to grow where corn grows? Sugarcane based Ethanol is a proven technology in Brazil. For that matter while we are playing god why not just genengineer humans to be able to run as fast as cars so we can just run everywhere . Also genengineer some of them to be able to carry huge loads at somewhat lower speeds and they can replace trucks and truckers. While this may be extreme how about genengineering humans to convert McD burgers to pure alcohol pee. We could solve the obesity and fuel problem at the same time. Cars would need to be modified to have sanitary fittings in the driver seat to get the fuel but Detroit should be able to do that. If not the Japanese are famous for innovative toilet fittings.
If you have debt you pay it back. If you dont have money you work it off. Stop sensationalizing it by calling it slavery. Its no different than paying off million dollar houses in San Jose over 40 years. Its just another way of living beyond your means. Left to themselves most third world farmers would starve in a year as that is the xtent of their means- getting food to live for 40 years is living beyond their means for them. Sucks but thats capitalism. If you dont like it you should vote for the Communist Party of America candidate in the next election.
Lets create a human sugarcane hybrid so humans can convert McDonalds burgers into pure alcohol urine. Then everyone driving an SUV could sit in their drivers seat and pee their way to wherever they want. Solving the global warming and obesity problem at the same time !!!!
Seriously 36K that works out to 14.5 Lakh Indian Rupees. Most of my classmates who stayed back in India make more than that. And with that salary they get to hire a driver to drive them to work, a maid to clean their place, a cook to cook or they can eat out every day. You should really consider moving to India. A lot of Indian outsourcers are trying to hire white faces to do the customer interaction so as to reduce the backlash against outsourcing
I don't know about shitty but it is kind of expected that all the wireless providers will have the same level of service as 95% of US providers (by customer base) use the same software to run their systems - Amdocs Ensemble. So it all works the same way. The only difference is in marketing and how big a smile you get at their stores. Even the CRM runs on AMDOCS Clarify so all the call center reps are working from the same script.
Yeah thats the one. All the crap Hollywood turns out kind of tends to run together.
Nope . Noone leaves the carts in the central driving area. They leave it in the parking spaces so only a parking space is wasted or even better they leave it in the dead zone provided next to handicapped parking spots for unloading wheelchairs.
Speaking of life following America movies (I hesitate to use the word art for what Hollywood produces...) whats next? Will we have a a US President embark on a false war to solve his domestic problems ala Dogs of War... Wait that already happened didnt it? Never Mind
But what Google is actually offering is to put context ads on the blogs which are opposing the HMOs. So right next to an HMO blasting blog u will see an ad for the HMO. Kind of like selling the context words pro-life to say Planned Parenthood so any blog blasting abortion would have a Planned Parenthood ad next to it. Its not evil its hilarious!!!
Just the fact that they are so marketing driven to have a slogan shows they are evil. After all all marketing is evil but waht more can you expect from what is basically an advertizing firm which happens to use tech a lot. I mean nothing besides ads makes money for Google.
AMD has been manufacturing samples since January. I am pretty sure by August everything will be completely tested and bug proof
Reminds me of a joke my Israeli colleagues sent me a couple of hours after Sep 11
20 First class airline tickets 100000 dollars
4 Airliners 800 million dollars
2 Skyscraper 2 Billion dollars
Palestinian children smiling (this had a picture from UNICEF) - Priceless
I guess having bombs go off every month gives you a sense of humor regarding other peoples tragedies.
Now they are not supposed to have a life. Techies didnt have a life in college. They need to get their kicks in sometime. Retirement is a nono as with all the soda few will live to see retirement
Believe me 90% of PhD thesis are no better than this. A PhD just means you had the preseverance to stick around till your Advisor felt he/she had extracted their pound of flesh in free labor and let you graduate. No wonder most of the really innovative companies seem to be founded by PhD dropouts and not PhDs.
Just so you are clear the article is about GC not H1B so I repeat my question Just exactly how does getting a GC save a company money?
The reason they dont want an American worker for the job is a foreigner has been doing the job already for 4 to 5 years on an H1B and now they dont want to throw out their loyal worker and say Thanks for your service but now we need to fire you as you are not a GC holder. The whole mess of the GC system could be solved by letting the companies use the original ads they used to hire the exisitng worker to prove they searched for Americans first instead of having to reissue ads when the person has already been working for many years. Frankly the foreigner was hired in the first place as no American were available. If Americans were available they would always be hired because once you factor in the cost of applying for H1B, lawyers fees and relocation even hiring a foreigner at 60 K has a higher cost to company than hiring an American at 75 K . So Americans already have a 25% built in advantage. If despite that people complain well there are always a few whiners like Programmers Guild (1500 email addresses do not a movement make. Wonder how many of those email addresses are dupes or invalid addresses)
How would a company save money by getting a GC for an existing worker? As soon as the worker has the GC they can leave so the company has to pay a competitive wage. And by the very nature of the programming job which is changing all the time if one of the requirements is to know the job already there cannot be any qualified candidate other than the one who is already doing the job so where are you getting your hypothetical qualified citizen candidate from? Unless someone on the same team applies for his teammates job just to slow down his GC. Playing dirty politics like that would not be below the level of some of the people posting on slashdot.
H1B employess pay all the taxes American citizens pay but take back much less as they are not eligible for social security , free retraining and a host of other tax deductions (e.g. they cant claim child tax credit on their foreign born kids). Also the government did not have to spend money on their education via subsidized loans or instate tuition as either they got educated in their own countries or paid full out of state tuitions to study in American universities. So if the governments real priority was to get more TAX PAYING workers they would actively discourage hiring of American by saying you have to advertise for H1Bs before you hire an American . Obviously the government doesnt do that so the government actually does care more for American citizens even if they are financial drains so boasting about paying taxes is not going to win this argument for you. Besides if America can demand other countries open up their markets to American exports which result in closing of local factories and huge unemployment its kind of hypocritical when these now unemployed workers (and their children) retrain in IT and want to work in America. Free movement of goods without free movement of people is colonialism by another name. I am sure Americans dont want their country to be a colonial empire building state as such states generally dont treat their own citizens with a lot more respect than they treat their colonial subjects.
The H1B program freed up really innovative people to go do startups like YouTube while the grunt work could be done by someone else. It also enabled USA to keep in country the large numbers of foreigners graduating from its Computer Science programs who would otherwise have left due to the stupid backlogs in the GC program. Huge numbers of the new startups including Google, Yahoo, Ebay, Amazon have been built on the contributions of these American educated H1B workers. Without H1B you would still be browsing text based web on Lynx on a dial up line. And of course no slashdot either. Would you prefer that?
The entire green card process gives Americans an advantage as it is always cheaper to get an equally qualified American as you dont have to spend the large amounts of lawyers fees. So Americans already are getting an advantage so what exactly is Programmer's guild complaining about? And the fact of the matter is by the time a company pursues a GC for someone the person probably has been working on an H1B for a while and knows the companies internal systems. Even an equally intelligent outside candidate wont be able to come in and be as productive as the candidate who is already knows the systems. Still the companies are still going to the extent of interviewing candidates in the unlikely case they find someone who knows their internal systems and at the same time doesnt want a higher salary (people always want higher salaries to change jobs else why change?). The entire system is stupid. Employers should be free to hire who they want. How would you feel if there was a law saying before you can buy a pair of jeans made in China you have to put out ads for American jean manufacturing companies and prove that there are no American companies able to provide jeans. Its hypocritical to benefit from the free trade in goods but refuse to allow free trade in labor. Immigration and national borders are a very recent development (not more than 400 years). For the majority of history people could travel freely to wherever they wanted and if they followed the law of the land and paid their taxes the government left them alone.(Just ask did Paul have to apply for an EB4 Religious worker visa to take Christianity to Rome or did Christopher Columbus (an Italian) have an EB2 Alien of extraordinary ability visa to work for the Spanish government when he started out to find India, got lost and found America?)
If today there was a comet strike and all plants died out due to nuclear winter there would still be enough food just in Walmarts distribution chain to last 6 months. Embargoes dont work in the modern age. You are still thinking civil war when the fastest mode of transport was the horse. Hell America could not maintain an embargo on Iraq a puny country , what makes you think anyone can enforce an embargo on USA.
There are a lot of skilled labor jobs which are much more economically benefiting than farming . Not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. Manufacturing, services, IT, financial sector, retail, even the limited amount of hydroponic fruit and vegetable growing in cities can more than adequately absorb the farm workforce. Anyway its not as if a lot of Americans are employed in agriculture. American agriculture mainly consists of large landowners (who like to call themselves farmers but are more like the nobles of feudal Europe), a very small number of skilled technicians who run the machines and a moderate no of temporary imported slave labor to do the things machines cant do. Not a lot of American jobs are supported by the American farming sector unless you want to count the Washington lobbyists paid by large Agricultural conglomerates to make sure their taxpayer funded profits are kept safe.
The majority of American farms grow commodity products like corn and soya for export. So the argument about spending fuel to bring food to market is null and void. The food is not been grown for American consumption but for export. Infact all the government subsidies are export subsidies. None are for growing fruits and vegetables closer to cities. If only fresh fruit and vegetables is grown in farms near cities and the rest is imported America would need a much smaller farm sector. The only loser are the huge agricultural conglomerates with thousand hectare farms who would lose their taxpayer funded profits. How much skewed the farm sector is in USA is evident from the fact that people actually talk about burning food (corn) for fuel. Thats how distorted the government subsidies have made the farm sector. Abolish farm subsidies. Have some kind of tax break for locally grown fruits and vegetables and import the rest.
The arguments about not needing only Engineers and scientists is a stupid argument. There are many levels of skilled labor between picking strawberries and launching shuttles - manufacturing for instance. If the money saved on farm subsidies is merely redirected to the auto industry for example American automobiles will be competitive in the world again. Basically the entire country is being held hostage by the farm lobby.
Britain imports most of its food and doesnt seem to need to go to war to get its food so why would America need to?