All I care is having a drivers that work. So, you must care about others as the grandparent poster reading and debugging your drivers and their interactions with the kernel at large, so in the end you have... (roll the drums) drivers that work!
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Man, where is the open proxy in Brazil? I've been searching for it, like, forever!
Back in 1983 or 84, with my first job's 1 year of savings, I bought my first computer -- a TRS-color equivalent with 96KBytes of memory -- 64KB RAM and 32 KB ROM, and it had a hardware (memory-mapped) port that switched between memory banks, and it could handle up to 512KB of memory (16 origin 32KB banks to 2 destination memory positions - 0K and 32K)
The now-working Debian/KNetBSD is exactly GNU/BSD: GNU userland + GNU glibc + NetBSD kernel. besides, a GNOME workstation running FreeBSD has the main userland GNU anyway.
my bank's ATMs greet me with a BSOD at least once a month. generally, the w2k machines are at least smart enough to reboot themselves in, say, five to ten minutes; but at least once (with me) it registered a transaction it had/not/ completed physically. bad, bad, bad...
1. they don't have to give the source code for free (GPL). GPL says: you have to give the source code (or an offer etc etc) TO THOSE WHOM you give your binaries, and you CAN charge for those binaries AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.
2. I use a lot of websites, and firebird do render them all perfectly or semi-perfectly. my online banks (3 of them) work without any glitch.
3. trademarks? easily avoidable, but try to hack IE sources and you'll see the MS Lawyers Corps on you!!!
No, you still did not get it. the fact that you have a choice is not a motivation to choose Linux. It is a motivation to choose another OS, yes, but Linux in particular, no. 1. the fact that I have a choice + 2. the fact that any choice is better than MS + 3. the fact that I want to support my personal choice together are the factors that motivate me to choose Linux in particular in many instances.
ok, I will try to illuminate more (some guys below did so too, but...) 1. I don't always have a choice. Exhibit (a) I did a job in a non-profit that received (as a donation) 10 486-586-range computers without OS installed. any of the free (libre, non-proprietary) options were ruled out of the picture (the shop had no $$$), so I could still choose between A, B, C... but definitively not MS or QNX... and anyway, OS/2 and BeOS are ruled out, too... not to mention UnixWare... 2. not that I would. even if the local MS representative came to me and said "ok, here are your 10 Win98 and one NT4+IIS+service packs licenses for free (gratis), I still would not do it, 'cause I install and maintain the software there as a volunteer, and since I had no ocurrences of security/malware problems. and believe me, at work (an NT+win98 shop) we have our fair share of security/malware problems. 3. you said Of course you have a choice, you always have a choice. I read mostly science fiction not because I have choice, but because I like it. Choice allow me to make that decision, it is not a reason for it!, but you don't understand... if people did not care about the choice as a reason instead of a means, it would be possible that you could not have the choice today (kind of like People vs Larry Flint)...
Ok, so the parent didn't know XP has multiple desktops (slower than a snail, but has it). But "choice B because you have a choice"?? I use choice A (GNU/Linux+KDE), instead of choice B (GNU/Linux+GNOME, e.g.) or C (FreeBSD+KDE) or D (OpenBSD+GNOME) or even E (NetBSD+BlackBox) or F.... or ZZX (WindowsXP) because: 1. it's safer. 2. it's faster. 3. it's more customizable. 4. it's so customizable that, if looks are the only thing that matters and if you really love the way Luna looks, you can make your desktop the same as Luna (not that I would want to) 5. I have the choice. this means that, if NetBSD continues improving its scalability, as they did last two weeks, maybe it will be a better KDE desktop than Linux, and I will migrate with much less pain, and generally using the same applications that I used under Linux. Means that, if I want to run a web server or a router in the old 386 I have under my bed, I can do so, because I can customize it easily. I don't even know why I am feeding an obvious troll, but... so be it.
is quick to point out that 'We haven't talked to a single user who has said they're using [open source] because it's better.'.... ok, talk to me. I use GNU/Linux and KDE... because it is far better than WinXP.
You have a serious point here. If you read my other comments in this thread, you will notice I think of the well-being of my kid, but maybe some discomfort is still better. I have to put my foot in my mouth for a while and try to force my brain into thinking. If I had points, I would moderate you Insightful....
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You insensitive clod!
All I care is having a drivers that work. So, you must care about others as the grandparent poster reading and debugging your drivers and their interactions with the kernel at large, so in the end you have... (roll the drums) drivers that work!
Man, where is the open proxy in Brazil? I've been searching for it, like, forever!
Best pr0n is european, anyway...
Back in 1983 or 84, with my first job's 1 year of savings, I bought my first computer -- a TRS-color equivalent with 96KBytes of memory -- 64KB RAM and 32 KB ROM, and it had a hardware (memory-mapped) port that switched between memory banks, and it could handle up to 512KB of memory (16 origin 32KB banks to 2 destination memory positions - 0K and 32K)
yeah, and microsoft update servers -AND- microsoft central source code vaults had -NEVER- been compromised... pffff.
Someone is nuts if it believes a site with a banner "china and iraq knew about 9/11"... Oh, boy.
OK, now, isn't CDBakeOven a KDE app? did it not use KDE's trashcan to delete your files? check it out, maybe you are sweating for nothing....
nobody knew it was exploitable.
there are only 17576 TLA's available :-)
The now-working Debian/KNetBSD is exactly GNU/BSD:
GNU userland + GNU glibc + NetBSD kernel.
besides, a GNOME workstation running FreeBSD has the main userland GNU anyway.
use Shorewall. Simple as it can be.
my bank's ATMs greet me with a BSOD at least once a month. generally, the w2k machines are at least smart enough to reboot themselves in, say, five to ten minutes; but at least once (with me) it registered a transaction it had /not/ completed physically. bad, bad, bad...
> Darl is lying every time he makes a public utterance. :-)
I assumed he is lying every time his lips are moving...
1. they don't have to give the source code for free (GPL). GPL says: you have to give the source code (or an offer etc etc) TO THOSE WHOM you give your binaries, and you CAN charge for those binaries AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.
2. I use a lot of websites, and firebird do render them all perfectly or semi-perfectly. my online banks (3 of them) work without any glitch.
3. trademarks? easily avoidable, but try to hack IE sources and you'll see the MS Lawyers Corps on you!!!
No, you still did not get it.
the fact that you have a choice is not a motivation to choose Linux. It is a motivation to choose another OS, yes, but Linux in particular, no.
1. the fact that I have a choice +
2. the fact that any choice is better than MS +
3. the fact that I want to support my personal choice
together are the factors that motivate me to choose Linux in particular in many instances.
ok, I will try to illuminate more (some guys below did so too, but...)
1. I don't always have a choice. Exhibit (a) I did a job in a non-profit that received (as a donation) 10 486-586-range computers without OS installed. any of the free (libre, non-proprietary) options were ruled out of the picture (the shop had no $$$), so I could still choose between A, B, C... but definitively not MS or QNX... and anyway, OS/2 and BeOS are ruled out, too... not to mention UnixWare...
2. not that I would. even if the local MS representative came to me and said "ok, here are your 10 Win98 and one NT4+IIS+service packs licenses for free (gratis), I still would not do it, 'cause I install and maintain the software there as a volunteer, and since I had no ocurrences of security/malware problems. and believe me, at work (an NT+win98 shop) we have our fair share of security/malware problems.
3. you said Of course you have a choice, you always have a choice. I read mostly science fiction not because I have choice, but because I like it. Choice allow me to make that decision, it is not a reason for it!, but you don't understand... if people did not care about the choice as a reason instead of a means, it would be possible that you could not have the choice today (kind of like People vs Larry Flint)...
Is the name of the XP widget theme, when you don't disable it (when you disable it, the theme is called Win2k Classic or something...)
Ok, so the parent didn't know XP has multiple desktops (slower than a snail, but has it). But "choice B because you have a choice"?? I use choice A (GNU/Linux+KDE), instead of choice B (GNU/Linux+GNOME, e.g.) or C (FreeBSD+KDE) or D (OpenBSD+GNOME) or even E (NetBSD+BlackBox) or F.... or ZZX (WindowsXP) because:
1. it's safer.
2. it's faster.
3. it's more customizable.
4. it's so customizable that, if looks are the only thing that matters and if you really love the way Luna looks, you can make your desktop the same as Luna (not that I would want to)
5. I have the choice. this means that, if NetBSD continues improving its scalability, as they did last two weeks, maybe it will be a better KDE desktop than Linux, and I will migrate with much less pain, and generally using the same applications that I used under Linux. Means that, if I want to run a web server or a router in the old 386 I have under my bed, I can do so, because I can customize it easily.
I don't even know why I am feeding an obvious troll, but... so be it.
is quick to point out that 'We haven't talked to a single user who has said they're using [open source] because it's better.'....
ok, talk to me. I use GNU/Linux and KDE... because it is far better than WinXP.
5a. and 6a. Profit!!!!
You have a serious point here. If you read my other comments in this thread, you will notice I think of the well-being of my kid, but maybe some discomfort is still better. I have to put my foot in my mouth for a while and try to force my brain into thinking. If I had points, I would moderate you Insightful....