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North Korea Introduces 'Secure' E-mail
An anonymous reader sent in a strange little story running over at ZD that discusses North Korea's new secure email system. There's a lot of strange bits in there about trained North Korean hackers, and the fact that North Korea's news agency is hosted in Japan.
Again, they're just proving that the best security method is just to not let anyone on the system at all.
Secure email in a communist state?
How the system (likely) works:
The government assigns you a password.
You send email, people send you email.
You sleep well knowing that your email can only be read by the sender, recipient and.. that.. man.. with the rubber hose.
To me it sounds like Kim Jong Il is getting even more paranoid. He's wanting to control (and snoop) all email in within his borders for fear of net-savvy citizens daring to send subversive email. Pretty soon he'll probably start shooting people with glasses ("intellectuals") as Pol Pot did in Cambodia.
Hint to Kim Jong Il, try feeding your millions of starving children before promising them a corrupt email system few of them will ever live to see.
Trolling is a art,
Of course they can guarantee complete privacy: after the security forces pick up the sender and the recipient and disappear them forever, no one will ever know what was written in the email.
is President Bush happy about this? This could be their way of hiding Weapons of Mass Destruction! Oh the humanity.
When anger rises, think of the consequences.
Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC)
North Korea develops a secure e-mail? Those silly North Koreans and their strange thoughts about security... that's just crazy talk. We don't need no stinkin security here in Microsoft land.
"It's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it." ~ Christian Slater, True Romance
If this is North Korea's attempt to get off my black list, it's a failure.
:)
Is that where the Iraqi information minister ended up?
Anything is possible given time and money.
So let me get this straight: In a dictatorship they're letting the peons communicate "securely" ? I call B.S.! Who wants to take a bet on how long it will take for people with access to start planning a revolt (and then be promptly executed)?
Too late, the first post already made your comment obsolete... Slashdot is located in the US.. :)
Sure, give it a fancy marketing name like "Echelon" and it's ok, but some crazed ruthless dictator does the same thing and we call him paranoid.
You think that's a little loopy? Check out Kim's official policy on triplets.
Yeah, he's nuckin' futs.
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
It's secured by WindowsUpdate.com
I've never said Echelon was OK, that's an empty argument.
License2KimJongill: hello?
License2KimJongill: helloooo...
Bush43: SORRY CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW
Bush43: GOT COLON POWELL ON THE PHONE
License2KimJongill: i'm pretty sure it's spelled colin
Bush43: WELL I'M PRETTY SURE YOUR NAME IS SPELLED KIM JUNGLE
License2KimJongill: shut up
Bush43: YOU SHUT UP
License2KimJongill: no you shut up
Bush43: MAKE ME
License2KimJongill: make me make you
Bush43: WHAT?
License2KimJongill: i have to go too, I have colin powell on the phone too. You're talking to "colon" powell so I bet you have the wrong guy
Bush43: SHUT UP
License2KimJongill: you shut up
Shamelessly stolen from the Kim Jong Il livejournal
http://www.kcna.co.jp
Pretty funny. A lot of stories like, "Ugandan ambassador hails Korean workers". Even some news in Spanish (I wonder if that's for Cuban benefit.)
Toronto-area transit rider? Rate your ride.
...that we're going to start seeing encrypted spam now?
;-)
(Sorry, couldn't resist).
Bruce Lane, KC7GR,
Blue Feather Technologies
*Salivates*
Your's Truly,
Every Known Hacker in the Free World
And don't waste our time with your anti-American sterotypes.
I didn't read anything in the article that made me think this "service" was for the citizens of North Korea, as many seem to be inclined. If you are a communist state and want to provide a safehouse of sorts for those of a like mind, would a secure e-mail system not be beneficial for those people? I suspect that this will be more of a government tool than a service provided for the people of North Korea.
If you would like to be a leader with a large following...drive slowly down a windy two-lane road
It remains illegal for any South Koreans to email their northern neighbours without government permission.
I wonder how strict they are about this? How could you possibly enforce a rule like this, considering the amount of wired households in S.K.
What if someone in N.K sends an email to an email on your mail server which doesn't exist, and your server happily sends out something along the lines of 'this address does not exist'. Are you liable then?
2003: CmdrTaco turns /. into the city of trolls by allowing a post with "the rise of an American dictator in 2000"
/. is now \. - clearly leaning far to the left
2004:
2006: \. is now known as the People's Republic of Trolls
2007: CmdrTaco chosen to lead the new nation of the People's Republic of Trolls
(stolen from a coward's post)
Is there really anyone who thinks Echelon is ok??
So, Kim doesn't know he's not the only one to get these "enlarge yer manhood" spams and wants to keep these secret from his court ?
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Great Leader Kim Yong Il is computer-savvy. Check out the Frontpage-For-Dummies official site of the DPRK.
I would be embarrassed to put pictures of my CAT on a website that lame.
"If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
talk about liberal media! these are the top stories on the N Korean news site:
U.S. Urged to Accept Simultaneous Action and Package Solution
Abolition of SL in S. Korea Demanded
U.S. Imperialists' Aerial Espionage on DPRK
Japan Not Qualified to Participate in Six-way Talks
Meeting against Evil Laws Held in S. Korea
Yakbab, Korean Food
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
Don't they already have secure email? www.hushmail.com
"If it has screws, it was meant to be taken apart."
Welcome to MS Freedom 2.0 (A government contracted Microsoft product, which, like all software products, was delayed. Since 1984.)
A preposition is a terrible thing to end a sentence with.
Because they can't risk having such a honeypot inside the DMZ (heh, check out how the computer argot just got completely flipped back upon itself). You don't want those loyal Party North Koreans (who would run such a service) allowing even the chance of Southern/US propaganda entering the North.
Better to isolate it outside and communicate with it securely. Would any self-respecting BOFH run his tyrannical regime er network any other way (bad haircut optioal)?
Also note that a segement of Korean-Japanese (who are descendent from the bad ol' days when the Penninsula was a colony) still see the North Korean regime as the One True way (so getting help to run Il-Jong's isn't too hard). Interesting article on the subject can be found in this JE. It's about an American's vacation into the North. Fascinating.
What is music when you despise all sound?
IAALS.
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'the data in the email will be encrypted, so only someone that can hack our encryption method can read the text of your email.'
So, I could still harvest your address, right? It'd be pretty hard to encrypt email addresses while the messages are being delivered:
POST to 239frj349fu34nf3498f34nf9u834nf9834f....
nah, I don't think that will work.
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Educating americans about anti-American sterotypes is never a waste of time.
I tell you, those North Coreans are something, but they've got nothing on irack!
Never understimate the power of human stupidity -Lazarus Long
We are regretting that the Slash Dot web hosting has made these informations public available.
These informations should be kept private just for North Korean free viewing.
We have own all your bases.
sigs, as if you care.
An interesting note at the bottom of the article says that "It remains illegal for any South Koreans to email their northern neighbors without government permission.".
That sounds actually pretty good for the North Koreans, when you consider the quantity of spam coming out of South Korea.
Too bad it isn't illegal to spam my country. Or has the spam I get been granted a "government permission"?
You print it out, put it in an envelope and deliver it in person (with an armed guard) - clever! Ping times are bad though.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Note that this is from the country run by the same guy that claims that hollywood ripped off all his movie ideas.
Kilgore, why would the phrase "Americans" not include Mexicans and Brazilians and Nicuraguans and, et cetera...? Even if you assume an implied "North" in "Americans", you've still got Mexico hanging around. I know, most Americans (ha ha) and Canadians would rather Mexico did not exist but it does! Face facts, those lazy wetbacks are on your continent and want your land!
South-Korean people like you can't spell out even the name of their own country correctly, how can they stop spamming all over the world.
that's great! i almost fell out of my chair laughing
Debian is dead.
RE: the fact that North Korea's news agency is hosted in Japan.
WTF??
Doesn't NK regularly kidnap Japanese people? And didn't NK test-fire a missle over Japan? And doesn't NK have an active Nuclear Weapons Program?
Jesus Christ.... this is like watching Oprah interview women with Battered Wife Syndrome. "But I love him."
One of two things need to happen:
1. Isolate NK (This includes web hosting)
2. War (This is my vote. Just like Afagan, Cambodia, Vietnam, Iraq, etc, the ground is swelling with mass graves. Hey U.N., WAKE THE FUCK UP!! PEOPLE ARE DYING!! What if it was your brother or sister in that fucking coutry?
No email -is- secure email.
Taa...dahh!
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
From the article: "It remains illegal for any South Koreans to email their northern neighbors without government permission. "
So South Korea is fighting the oppression and censorship of the North with oppression and censorship?
A glorious day indeed, comrades! We look forward to many victorious posts on here in the name of socialism! Let the imperialist American and South Korean dogs tremble before our might!
As far as I know, only RedHat and SuSE have 64-bit distros and Debian is notorious for its slow-as-molasses development.
The owls are not what they seem
Any more question on North Korea secure e-mail can ask by jin@secure.co.kr.
-Jin-Sol
I've got paid for accounts both at work and at home, and it's been working fine. There may be a moral to this somewhere :-)
"Little is known about how many people are online in North Korea"
"although it's likely very few North Koreans have Internet access at all."
"How many Internet users, or even how many computer users there are in North Korea, remains unknown"
Ok already! I get it. North Korea doesn't have a lot of online users. Is there a few other ways to say this, that you neglected to include?
WURD!!
Absolutely. North Korea is definately a typical Left Wing Government, aren't they. Not like those radical right wingers in Britain, Sweden, Normay, Denamrk...
You should try the "Friendship" link (after clicking on "welcome" and getting to the main page). I thought it would be something about how the N Koreans are nice and doing friendly things, but nooo it has a picture of a large painting of a guy toting a military rifle and a link to the "national defence" song. Boy, that really generated a warm, fuzzy feeling--NOT!
from NSA log...
North Korea has launched an email service that "guarantees the privacy of correspondence"
"Hi everyone. Since Hotmail is infamous for its backdoor and security holes, I'm switching my email. Please update your address book!
old address: KimJongIl@hotmail(REMOVE).com
new address: tyrant@hackers.no-korea(REMOVE).gov
Yours,
Kimmy"
If by moral you mean bait-and-switch, you're absolutely right.
The owls are not what they seem
So, while the population is starving due to castrophic economic policies, corrupt leadership and an idiotic foreign policy, they will no longer have to play games with the rest of the world, trading nuclear weapons for food.
I'd love to have a look at what pops up in their mail logs:
From: Dear Leader (Kim.Jong-Il@securemail.gov.kp)
To: president@whitehouse.gov (George)
CC: vice-president@whitehouse.gov (Dick)
Date: Dec. 2, 2003 18:50
Subject: North Korea Secure Email!!!11
------------
Dear Capitalist stooge George:
Invincible North Korean Peoples' Electronic Industry allow secure email discourse with running-dog American lackey. Welcome to glorious socialist revolution communication network! Great Korean Peoples' Hacker Team crush you Network like grape. All you base are belong to us! Hahahaha!
Love,
-Dear Leader
From: Dear Leader (Kim.Jong-Il@securemail.gov.kp)
To: orders@pizzahut.com
Date: Dec. 2, 2003 18:53
Subject: our order
------------
We take 50,000,000 super-size meat-lover special. Hold anchovy. Deliver President Palace, Pyongyang, Illustrious Democratic Peoples Republic North Korea.
Regard,
-Dear Leader
PS: Send Britney.
From: Dear Leader (Kim.Jong-Il@securemail.gov.kp)
To: tracy1827@hotmail.com (Peter Green Kabila
Date: Dec. 2, 2003 18:58
Subject: Re: YOUR STRICT CONFIDENCE REQUESTE
------------
Dear Mr. Kabila
Great Democratic People Republic of North Korea very interest in confidential transact. Please send more info.
Regard,
-Dear Leader
From: Dear Leader (Kim.Jong-Il@securemail.gov.kp)
To: president@whitehouse.gov
Date: Dec. 2, 2003 19:05
Subject: You Warheads
------------
Dear Ali,
Yuo nuklear weapon warhead ready. Freighter leave for Pakistan tomorrow. Please expediting payment expeditiously.
Cheers,
-Dear Leader
^D^C^C^C cancel
To: ali@alqaida.org
SHIT WRONG ADDRESSING
Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
Fuck you, you liberal scumm!!!
Red, white and blue got game!!! Germany and Japan know that!!!
PGP.Com products are notoriously overpriced, but I bet North Korea could negotiate a nice discount on a 22,000,000 seat license with A.T.M. Networks Inc, the South Korean sales agent...
One hitch -- I tried completing the "free download" form with "N.Korea" as the country code, and got this popup:
Ah well, GPG doesn't have these petty restrictions!
I do not deploy Linux. Ever.
Hey, YO_mama
learned another lesson about manipulationg people? Well, thats the way it is. Your new knowledge won't make a change..
Ok so let me get this straight.
The email is Secure and "private" eh?
Nothing like providing a false sense of privacy to catch dissidents.
---Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A START
Hopefully they've improved things since then.
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
I shan't feed you today, but do try again. You need a more encompassing understanding of world politics to make a successful troll than your 10th grade education has provided you.
Blar.
Pretty soon he'll probably start shooting people with glasses ("intellectuals")
Charity begins at home.
Today the details of a new mail system claimed as "Absolutely Secure" have been posted on Leader Kim Jong II weblog available at the same server where the new mail system is being implemented.
An undisclosed person who likes himself to be called JK2 reported that "today i read my...err his weblog, and i got the details nobody knows about the new system"
Analysts said the new method is "Brillant" to bring email access to ppl while keeping comunications secure.
The system, concived by Kim Jong II himself consists in his own computer acting as a server, umplugged from any network or communications device. The gracefull leader himself will answer phonecalls from the population and transcribe the messages for them, absolutely free of charge.
The message is then keept in JK II "secure server" waiting for the recipient of the message to call using the toll free number and again, Kim Jong II himself will read the message for them.
The system is absolutely safe from net crackers and identity stealing since only Kim Jong II family have access to telephone services.
As stated by our misterious "JK2" source, many "free world" leaders have expressed interest in the new system including Chinese and Cuban leaders.
By yesterday, a very powerfull american software industry leader was analyzing in a emergency meeting held at company headquearters located in Redmond, the possibility to claim a patent on this great mail system while spokesman of a company who wanted to stay anonymous said that system is sure to use portions of intelectual property that belong to them, and they are analyzing charging Kim Jong II family a $600 license to use the system.
He appears to have said: "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."
Or was it about something else?
At any rate, this got him this years Foot in Mouth award.
And yes, it's just so slightly off-topic. But hell, I couln't resist.
BTW, his runner-up was Governator, who thinks that "gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman".
... and this scares me. Although I spent most of my teen age years + university life over in Canada, I've lived in Korea for good 14 years. As I grew up, there are bad and goodo things to be heard about people "up" there. One thing, I heard was the rumour that researches results achieved by North Korean top university happens to be better than the best university in South. I've also heard about the top University in North actually does have a better ranking (think North American university rankings published annually) than the top university in South. Now, these are my conspiracy theories about why the posted story is a possible scenario. 1) North Korea maybe forging research result. BUT they do not seem to joke about Nuclear bombs :-) I think they do have potential to acquire "bleeding-edge" cryptography, but probably will take a while to mature.
2) ONLY a few selected children of high ranking government officials get educated. And I assume these are very smart people since the government in places like North Korea wouldn't waste money.
3) There have been spies from North in South. (duh!) BUT some of these spies lived their lives as a professor/researcher at some university, etc etc. (this is TRUE, scary) What else could have they been doing?
4) North Korea will likely disobey any laws about cryptography exports and so on. The algorithm and all the math required are published. I assume using/implementing them just requires one smart brain. :-) I guess this point essentially applies to terrorists as well.
5) Don't forget all that money South gave to North a few years ago. Sure, it wouldn't have been enough money to last for long, but it was cerntainly known that
a) North Korea didn't spend money for the
public
b) The amount of "financial aid" given to
North was enough to make South Korean money
reservoir dry. People actually blame the
_previous_ president for this.
6) The site is hosted in _Japan_ *gasp*. Believe it or not, Japanese always seem to win computer hackerish war over Koreans. For my short period of exposure to Open Source/BSD community tells me that Japanese are faaar deeper into hacker community then Koreans. What doees this mean? I'm probably about to say, North Korean could've got some Japanese hackers working secretly?
One interesting note though. I believe North Koreans have their webpages too (for probably 3 years?). It's been a while since I heard of debates in Korea about "Hmm. Should we allow our South dudes to see these North Korean webpages?" I think the resolution was to require government permission to access those pages.
SOrry about long conspiracy theory. :-)
And I'll post anonymously because I don't want to get arrested!
An article with absolutely no content whatsoever. Did you read the ZDNet article? There's nothing in it. It even goes so far as to offer possible corrections for the poor English of the press release. This is not a slam on the English skills of the North Korean government; rather, it is a slam on the reporting skills of ZDNet.
/. but to the U.S. state department. Sabre rattling, pure and simple.
If anything this is a story of interest not to
I heard a different version of that ancient Chinese proverb:
Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a night; set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
Personally I think the North Korean government is just looking for another way to set it's citizens on fire.
n0pe dUmbAss. It should be Yu0==TEH FIALHAH~~!
You must be a member of the Korean Friendship Association
"If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
I was surprised to see tourism information on the DPRK web site. They've never encouraged it in the past, and what they're saying now sounds like Khrushchev-era Intourist. They've got a lot to learn, and could probably learn from the Cubans. Very much Marxists, but all those tourist dollars are just too tempting to ignore.
The application forms are a hoot, except for the bit about GPS not being allowed in the country. Oh, and U.S. folks not being allowed either.
...laura, proudly Canadian, but not planning a trip to Pyongyang any time soon
The people supporting NK in Japan are typically North Koreans who were displaced and their families by the Japanese and relocated to Japan during Japan's expansion last century.
Like the impetus behind most Korean actions, they do it to spite Japan, not out of any true respect for the Kims.
Secure E-mail ! Thats an oxymoron!
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Perhaps we DO send spies and sabateurs... and we've just been so good at it you haven't noticed yet! Hmm... on second thought, maybe we've been so bad at it you haven't noticed yet.
...which is what I wonder about this email service that is "guaranteed to be secure". So if my email gets snooped out, can I drop into North Korea to file a complaint? Do they have a toll-free number I can call? Will I get my money back? Will I survive the experience of attempting to file a complaint? Or will they just mail me a conciliatory blob of yakbab?
Sure, give it a fancy marketing name like "Echelon" and it's ok, but some crazed ruthless dictator does the same thing and we call him paranoid.
NO ONE on this site ever said Echelon was okay, dipshit.
>Japan's expansion
I'd probably refer to it as "Japan's rape of Asia".
...but your country is still out bitch. Would you like creamy or chunky?
Blar.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Looks more like a Fireworks 3.0/Dreamweaver 3.0-For-Dummies to me.
© 2004 The SCO Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
I suspect there is.
Is that the US has done a lot of that, except to Cuba.
They've sent spies to kill Castro. They've let out animal viruses that made it so that herds of cattle had to be destroyed. They overfly the nation regularly with planes. They've indirectly and directly invaded (Bay of Pigs, etc).
Castro was hailed as a hero in the US for working to overthrow Batista, who was corrupt. Once they got him out of power, Castra chose communism. He removed the US control that was there, trying to make Cuba independant and strong.
This, naturally, did not sit well with the US.
Today they still harras Cuba constantly. It's silly.
--
Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Maybe not HTML skill, but he'll lay the smack down in ping pong.
I want a table tennis badge from the souvenirs section.
you're all figments of my deranged imagination
Bits are free. Bandwidth is not. RedHat is not now nor have they ever been obligated to provide you with, really, anything.
This is why I bothered to learn the stuff in Linux from Scratch. Sure, it's not plug-and-play, but I'm not paying anyone for support or packaging so I can't really expect anyone to do it but myself in the long run.
If you want Red Hat to give you guaranteed service, pay for it. Or are you the type that complains when any free offer is rescinded due to massive take-up and skyrocketing costs?
"America has done some terrible things. But I know that Americans don't cheer when innocents die." -Dave Barry
I don't think this is due to "massive take-up" and subsequent skyrocketing costs. It's because RedHat decided, which is their right, that there is more money to be made with the server/high-end clients and desktop services should be dropped.
It's OK. I just hope that I can get my information out of RedHat's database so that I won't get spammed to death by them or anyone else to whom RedHat sells the list when they eventually go bankcrupt.
So where do I go from here. Well, from now on I'll just tell all my friends, clients and any stranger to avoid RedHat at all costs. No big deal. I was betrayed by them. I'll be glad to do all the possible damage I can.
So, no hard feelings. Just business.
The owls are not what they seem
Wow, I'm amazed, /. and no one's mentioned the link at the bottom of the article about S. Korea going open source?
As for N. Korea, I'll sit this one out as my Mom grew up in Pusan and can still remember the war. I'll just leave it at - Plato's republic is *not* a good basis for a real-world government.
North Korea has the worst human rights situation on Earth. Its as if Orwells 1984 has come to life.. its comparable to the 1930s in Russia under Stalin. NK desperately needs to be opened to the outside world, but Kim Jong Il, the narcissistic despot who rules NK, will never allow that because it would expose his web of lies. The result is that millions of people have starved to death and millions more have died in concentration camps.
Check out some of the resources linked from freenorthkorea.net's home page. North Korea is by far the strangest place on Earth
Being an educated and wordly American who gets "educated" by rude non-Americans whenever I travel outside the US gets tiresome quickly.
"the starry sky above and the moral law within"-Kant
I believe that only the English-language version of North Korea's news agency is hosted in Japan. The original Korean-language content definitely originates from and is hosted in North Korea.
A dream is good. A plan is better.
link!
On the registration page,
korea-dpr
There are three choices for gender-
male
female
other
Gotta take a look at their biology texts..
Kim Jong belongs to the third category, without a doubt.
Also, take a look at the
SECTION 4. REQUIRED TRAVEL INFORMATION
They ask for the passport no, issue date, expiry, nationality.. what the fsck are they thinking?
Those north korean officials will just skim this information off to use for fraud.
Dude, this is based on a report by the Herald Sun for chrissakes! The Herald Sun is a zero-cred newspaper - it's the kinda paper tat has "B-52 Bomber found on Moon" as a headline (actually it didn't, but it's STILL that kind of paper).
It did say that it had "a large transmission ban", which appears to mean high-speed bandwidth.
nope. It should be taken at face value. Many things cannot be transmitted. This post, for example, is banned from being e-mailed to NK.
SAILING MISHAP
Thank you moderators for showing how little you know of the world outside your basement bedroom. If you really think a North Korean could get on the Internet and write the above post, I have a bridge for sale.
While I do agree with the spirit of this site, it really, really needs to be redesigned. Gray on black? Come on. I wanted to go there and read what you had to say, but my eyeballs exploded.
It's one thing if you're a h4x0r site written by a 14 year old script kiddie, but if you actually want to spread meaningful content to the masses you should learn something about accessibility.
Why do they even bother in North Korea. How many people there have access to email?
Don't forget all the companies that used (still use?) it for industrial espionage.
Slashdot is proof that Sturgeon's Law applies to mankind.
I said: So first you get hit with a massive paycut THEN your taxes are hit with 27% bump.
The correct figure is 30.7%. Sorry for any confusion.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
*shrugs* I think the real problem with the open source movement is that people want their free to be as in beer. If you weren't paying for a RHN subscription you really have no right to bitch about up2date service, especially as you could just download the patches from their ftp site manually if it was that big a deal.
Actaully, if you weren't paying for up2date and using it regularly or on more than one machine, congratulations! You helped sink consumer Red Hat.
"America has done some terrible things. But I know that Americans don't cheer when innocents die." -Dave Barry
I know it's just a sig, but it is just rude. Of course the funny thing is your saying that Bush is the only one with vision. While insulting every other American. I didn't vote for the guy, and I don't plan to, what makes him my king?
Just on question. Where is totalitarism a "good thing". Maybe in the land where you are king.Have you ever heard of the lend-lease program? Also a number of American Flyers (with a wink and a nod from their commanders) moved to Canada, or just joined the British outright. But you are sorta right otherwise, most Americans didn't want to get into Another Damn European war, in fact if Hilter didn't do you the favor of declaring war against American, most likely you would be speaking German and learning how to goosestep in elementary school. We would have just beaten the crap outta Japan in two or three years and left Europe to rot as "National Socalist" for about 10 to 40 years, instead we (and I do mean both of our countries) only left half of it to rot as "communist".
When England was taking a pounding due, there were plently of people over here that did not want to get involved. Thank god they didn't win.
Bin Laden has delclared war against America, killed three thousand Innocent people, on purpose, with no military value. So what would you do.
The thing that got me into this was the comparison with the IRA and how some Americans supported them, and then you had the gall to compare that to 9-11. As I said before we didn't kill or move 25% of his people. Of course no attacks are "justified".
Mostly I just wanted to buzz you for a little while. You wanted to get very political on a technolgy forum...keep it up, I won't be as active, but I check up on you again. For now I want to talk about technology, so I go back to my regular (only slightly political) self.
Also don't assume the any poster is American, I am sure it's more than half, but less than 80%.
I don't AC on political forums, of course I don't read them for the technology info either. I like to post, but I make an effort not to flame people for just being from a particular country. Don't blame me if you like to piss in your own bath water.
A friend of mine here at the local labs said
once when they were send an oil tanker to North Korea, they had said they were going to use the Oil to help the people but instead had resold it to Russia or some such place to get money to fund their army.. Anyhow, my friend said the whole time on the bus to the location where they were to deliver this tanker, the translator that had come with him said the whole time to him "You know, we hate you."
Can you imagine a communist state where the people are brainwashed to imagine everyone the world is their enemy?
Anyhow he said the country was in shambles, poor people living in run down houses, the places where they were keeping their oil, the tanks were rusting.. Obviously Kim Jong Li is not very capable or responsible. Who would trust to use a so called secure email connection with such an untrustworthy boss?
Just say no to license servers!!
Oh and another thing, one things I've noticed about communistic, post-communistic countries is they try as hard as possible to look like capitalistic countries like America, I guess in hopes that their countries won't end up like russia, that the people in their country should see the need to revolt or have a contrary opinion.. I think in the case of Kim Jong Li, he's been know to have a huge ego but with a self-deprecating opinion of his looks, and I suspect this Internet advocacy serves a dual purpose, to spy on his own people and in part as ego boosting publicity for the country.
Don't believe it for a minute, Cuba has the same heavily monitored and heavily protected fire-walled dialup line to the outside, and it doesn't reach very far intot eh country.. It makes me wonder if anyone has tried to smuggling into Cuba or North Korea devices that allow rebel factions to exist without being monitored by the government.. Has anyone done reasearch onto creating devices that produce signals that can hide in a cosmic noise floor?
Just say no to license servers!!
I leave that one up to your imagination..
Just say no to license servers!!
I'll ask them.. It's just one of the default Movable Type templates..not much more..