But by stealing the virtual package, the original owner still has his product. Stealing a car leaves the original owner empty-handed. That is where the analogy doesn't work. I'm not arguing whether it is legal or not, I'm just saying that the analogy doesn't work.
If you were to use the car analogy here, you would have to use it in such a way that the pirated windows was not copied, but a stolen disc. In which case, everything would work fine.
Pirated software is an illegal *copy* of a product. When you steal a car, you steal the real thing.
I agree, though, that MS should not support pirated copies. It's not their fault if somebody obtained an illegal copy.
We could use stand-alone systems with a touch screen. Once all of the selections are made, have a 'confirm selections' and print a hard-copy that is automatically put into a sealed tray.
By sealed, I mean that voters have no access to it, so the officials running the booth have to collect the printouts occasionally. It could even remain locked until a certian number of printouts are collected, say 100, to help ensure anonyminity (yeah, I'm pretty sure that's spelled wrong). There could also be a timer to unlock the tray once the election is over, since the last batch of ballots probably won't be an even 100.
Just because the booths are electronic, it doesn't mean they have to be networked...
Actually, according to the commentary on the DVDs, Spielberg didn't do any research on the pronunciation. He had just heard it once with a soft G in conversation and it stuck. He even admitted that he was wrong, that he later discovered that the proper pronunciation was with a hard G.
I'd bet they wanted to have a release based on the final 'suite' version of mozilla. Now they are all caught up and can base netscape 8 on firebird/thunderbird.
One misconception I had was that open source meant you had to give the product away for free. This was even reflected in version 1.0 of the Open Source Music License I wrote (that I based on the GPL). But that's not so! You only have to give the source away, not the end-product. And you don't even have to make it available for download, you need only sell people CDs of the source for the cost of the media.
Actually, this isn't exactly accurate either. You only have to provide the source code to those who have access to the binary code. You could modify or create any GPL software to your hearts content. If you didn't distribute the binary, you don't have to distribute the source. If you sell the binary, you only have to make the source available. I believe you can even withold the source until it is requested (don't quote me on that, though). If you make the binary packages available for free, you must make the source available.
Of course, you can just distribute the source. There's nothing requiring a binary distribution.
Also, you can sell your product for whatever amount of money you want. As long as you make the source available. Whoever buys your software has all of the rights they have to any GPL software, though. They could modify your software and distribute it for free if they wanted to.
The GPL is all about removing restrictions on who can or cannot use the software. Sure you can charge for the software, but that doesn't stop anybody who buys it from giving it away.
That's because (for the most part, anyway) the developers are writing the software because they want to, so they're going to do it right. Closed-source shops have deadlines & developers will often take shortcuts to meet them.
I would be interested because it would be a convenient multimedia device. That is assuming that samba or nfs and a media player are available. I already have the PS2, ethernet, & a media library. It would be pretty easy to get it to go through my home entertainment system this way without buying more hardware.
I just installed win2k pro yesterday and it did ask for an admin password. It might have something to do with the choice between fat32 and ntfs filesystems (asks for ntfs, but not for fat32), but that's just a guess.
I have to apologize. My post wasn't exactly fair. It was more a reply to all of the posts about losing thier home directories as a whole. Let me try again:
Scenario A: A user gets a virus which infects the files in their home directory and potentially other files they have write access to.
Scenario B: Somehow the system gets a virus that infects one or more system files. This virus has the potential of infecting the home directories for every user.
As a sysadmin responsible for machines with more than one user, I would much prefer to deal with scenario A. Why? Because the damage would be contained. I would only have to deal with the files that the infected user has write access to (hopefully only their home directory). None of the other users would be affected. With scenario B, all of the users on the system could be infected and could create a much bigger headache for me.
I guess my point is that if I were to become infected, I'd rather be infected in my home directory, even though I would really hate to lose anything there, because the damage would be contained. I would only have to restore backups and accept a minimal loss. If I were to be infected through root, It'd be a complete OS re-install (just to be safe) and then a restore from backups for the home directories...just more work that way.
What about those of us who run a system with multiple users? My machine hosts email and websites for about 10 of my family members. At least I know that if they somehow infect my machine, it won't be able to traverse into my home directory. (and visa-versa)
Not everyone uses their linux box as a single-user machine.
KDE has done something simular to this for quite a while. ctrl+tab walks through your virtual desktops in the same manner as alt+tab walks through different windows.
I just subscribed to slashdot & it appears to crash mozilla whenever I view a page with an ad on it. Actually, now that I think about it, it crashes when I'm viewing a "non-ad" page and click to an "ad" page.
I really hope konqueror gets tabbed browsing soon. I've been without it for 15 minutes and already miss it.:o(
The RPMs appear to have been built on a machine running a rawhide version of redhat. That explains the dependency problem. It's never a good idea to use --nodeps. You can resolve the dependencies by grabbing the packages listed from redhat's rawhide ftp server (ftp://rawhide.redhat.com). It's been running pretty smoothly for me so far.
Wow, that's the same naming scheme we use at work. Hercules is our bad-ass SQL server (fitting) and Athena is the Boss's PC. (haven't used the other 3 yet)
One of the big reasons I'm planning on ordering one of these kits is so I can listen to my mp3 collection in the living room without having an ugly PC sitting beside the TV or having to buy some other equipment. I already have a PS2, I already have a home LAN but it is contained to the basement.
With this, I can plug my PS2 into the LAN and have an instant jukebox.
Have you ever heard the sound from the PS2 throught the digital-optical connection. It's amazing!
I second that. I currently have 2 15" monitors sitting on either side of my main 17" display (makes the matrix screensaver look really cool:o)
I currently use KDE (which I had to recompile...why can't they just put that in the rpm, do they think that nobody uses it?) which works out ok. I would use E, but it uses too many resources & sawfish's support is flakey.
I would love to at least try WM because of how lightweight it is, but good xinerama support is a must for my setup.
I feel the same way. In fact, I just had the greatest idea the other day. Get the linux kit for your Playstation 2 (or other system, considering it's possible) and plug it into your home LAN. BOOM, instant ogg jukebox, web surfing, etc. and it all looks like it fits in with your other equipment.
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I think people are missing the point of my argument. Yes, it's illegal, and it is still stealing. I agree with that 100%.
My argument is that the car analogy doesn't fit here. Your painting analogy fits a little better, though, being a copy of the original.
The problem is that we're dealing with data, not a physical object. There aren't really any good analogies to fit here, because of that.
Yes, a car manufacturer should turn in a stolen car if the theif tries to get a recalled item fixed.
No, Microsoft shouldn't have to support, or provide patches to, pirated copies of Windows. But for different reasons.
But by stealing the virtual package, the original owner still has his product. Stealing a car leaves the original owner empty-handed. That is where the analogy doesn't work. I'm not arguing whether it is legal or not, I'm just saying that the analogy doesn't work.
If you were to use the car analogy here, you would have to use it in such a way that the pirated windows was not copied, but a stolen disc. In which case, everything would work fine.
Pirated software is an illegal *copy* of a product. When you steal a car, you steal the real thing.
I agree, though, that MS should not support pirated copies. It's not their fault if somebody obtained an illegal copy.
Or...
We could use stand-alone systems with a touch screen. Once all of the selections are made, have a 'confirm selections' and print a hard-copy that is automatically put into a sealed tray.
By sealed, I mean that voters have no access to it, so the officials running the booth have to collect the printouts occasionally. It could even remain locked until a certian number of printouts are collected, say 100, to help ensure anonyminity (yeah, I'm pretty sure that's spelled wrong). There could also be a timer to unlock the tray once the election is over, since the last batch of ballots probably won't be an even 100.
Just because the booths are electronic, it doesn't mean they have to be networked...
Actually, according to the commentary on the DVDs, Spielberg didn't do any research on the pronunciation. He had just heard it once with a soft G in conversation and it stuck. He even admitted that he was wrong, that he later discovered that the proper pronunciation was with a hard G.
More shame -> more incentive to write clean, solid, well-commented code.
:)
Apparently, you haven't looked at much OS code
I'd bet they wanted to have a release based on the final 'suite' version of mozilla. Now they are all caught up and can base netscape 8 on firebird/thunderbird.
Just a guess, though
One misconception I had was that open source meant you had to give the product away for free. This was even reflected in version 1.0 of the Open Source Music License I wrote (that I based on the GPL). But that's not so! You only have to give the source away, not the end-product. And you don't even have to make it available for download, you need only sell people CDs of the source for the cost of the media.
Actually, this isn't exactly accurate either. You only have to provide the source code to those who have access to the binary code. You could modify or create any GPL software to your hearts content. If you didn't distribute the binary, you don't have to distribute the source. If you sell the binary, you only have to make the source available. I believe you can even withold the source until it is requested (don't quote me on that, though). If you make the binary packages available for free, you must make the source available.
Of course, you can just distribute the source. There's nothing requiring a binary distribution.
Also, you can sell your product for whatever amount of money you want. As long as you make the source available. Whoever buys your software has all of the rights they have to any GPL software, though. They could modify your software and distribute it for free if they wanted to.
The GPL is all about removing restrictions on who can or cannot use the software. Sure you can charge for the software, but that doesn't stop anybody who buys it from giving it away.
That's because (for the most part, anyway) the developers are writing the software because they want to, so they're going to do it right. Closed-source shops have deadlines & developers will often take shortcuts to meet them.
(If cops really wanted speed limits obeyed, there are more effectively but less profitable approaches than what they use today)
Example? (not a troll, I'm genuinely interested)
I actually prefer the 'modern' theme over orbit. I don't like the yellow buttons so much.
I would be interested because it would be a convenient multimedia device. That is assuming that samba or nfs and a media player are available. I already have the PS2, ethernet, & a media library. It would be pretty easy to get it to go through my home entertainment system this way without buying more hardware.
Besides, there's definitely a "cool factor"
I've got 2 desktop machines, both running win2k. a P200-MMX w/64MB RAM & a P233-MMX w/128MB RAM. Neither one complains a bit.
I just installed win2k pro yesterday and it did ask for an admin password. It might have something to do with the choice between fat32 and ntfs filesystems (asks for ntfs, but not for fat32), but that's just a guess.
I have to apologize. My post wasn't exactly fair. It was more a reply to all of the posts about losing thier home directories as a whole. Let me try again:
Scenario A:
A user gets a virus which infects the files in their home directory and potentially other files they have write access to.
Scenario B:
Somehow the system gets a virus that infects one or more system files. This virus has the potential of infecting the home directories for every user.
As a sysadmin responsible for machines with more than one user, I would much prefer to deal with scenario A. Why? Because the damage would be contained. I would only have to deal with the files that the infected user has write access to (hopefully only their home directory). None of the other users would be affected. With scenario B, all of the users on the system could be infected and could create a much bigger headache for me.
I guess my point is that if I were to become infected, I'd rather be infected in my home directory, even though I would really hate to lose anything there, because the damage would be contained. I would only have to restore backups and accept a minimal loss. If I were to be infected through root, It'd be a complete OS re-install (just to be safe) and then a restore from backups for the home directories...just more work that way.
What about those of us who run a system with multiple users? My machine hosts email and websites for about 10 of my family members. At least I know that if they somehow infect my machine, it won't be able to traverse into my home directory. (and visa-versa)
Not everyone uses their linux box as a single-user machine.
KDE has done something simular to this for quite a while. ctrl+tab walks through your virtual desktops in the same manner as alt+tab walks through different windows.
I just subscribed to slashdot & it appears to crash mozilla whenever I view a page with an ad on it. Actually, now that I think about it, it crashes when I'm viewing a "non-ad" page and click to an "ad" page.
:o(
I really hope konqueror gets tabbed browsing soon. I've been without it for 15 minutes and already miss it.
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Same here!
The RPMs appear to have been built on a machine running a rawhide version of redhat. That explains the dependency problem. It's never a good idea to use --nodeps. You can resolve the dependencies by grabbing the packages listed from redhat's rawhide ftp server (ftp://rawhide.redhat.com). It's been running pretty smoothly for me so far.
Wow, that's the same naming scheme we use at work.
Hercules is our bad-ass SQL server (fitting) and Athena is the Boss's PC. (haven't used the other 3 yet)
One of the big reasons I'm planning on ordering one of these kits is so I can listen to my mp3 collection in the living room without having an ugly PC sitting beside the TV or having to buy some other equipment. I already have a PS2, I already have a home LAN but it is contained to the basement.
With this, I can plug my PS2 into the LAN and have an instant jukebox.
Have you ever heard the sound from the PS2 throught the digital-optical connection. It's amazing!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I recall correcly, Mandrake has had a simular feature for a while.
I second that. I currently have 2 15" monitors sitting on either side of my main 17" display (makes the matrix screensaver look really cool :o)
I currently use KDE (which I had to recompile...why can't they just put that in the rpm, do they think that nobody uses it?) which works out ok. I would use E, but it uses too many resources & sawfish's support is flakey.
I would love to at least try WM because of how lightweight it is, but good xinerama support is a must for my setup.
How about going one step further and call it Windux.
I feel the same way. In fact, I just had the greatest idea the other day. Get the linux kit for your Playstation 2 (or other system, considering it's possible) and plug it into your home LAN. BOOM, instant ogg jukebox, web surfing, etc. and it all looks like it fits in with your other equipment.