Eh, carpetshark wrote: I wouldn't disagree that MS development is pressured.
so that was the fanboyism thing, not your post. yours was a ftfa quote. This is a discussion forum you know, where you tack onto the previous guys stuff and talk about what he was discussing.
ahha, i was under the impression this was related to the scope of the superconductor itself, mass an issue and all that. provided your info was correct (and it seems perfectly valid, no reason to doubt whatsoever) that puts everything in perspective on why this would be easily reproducible
i always call this effect the mechanic effect. I'm sure it's got one of those "murphy's xxx" names or something. Anytime you take your car to the garage or you go to the doctor or whatever, the symptons have all disappeared. get home and they rear their ugly heads.
I was under the impression that of those 8, several were the server variants
even if you just look at current windows offerings, you have
windows xp home windows xp pro windows xp mce (2 ver i believe)
windows small bus serv windows serv windows serv enterprise windows datacenter serv windows web (according to their site in various places, but i don't think this counts, i mean really, IIS is a server? that's like saying so is sql and exchange)
there is also: windows embedded (various light o/s for portable machines, phones, etc)
isn't there even a special version for tablet software?
of course, not accounting for just having 64bit and itanium versions of the diff o/s offerings, we have so far listed at least 7 different versions, so if you consider that ms is now offering one more for international sales, then isn't it entirely possible that they are trimming the fat somewhat and offering less versions?
so just for pointing it out, this site says that there will only be 5 major flavors. but it looks like they don't count their server offerings as different flavors.
Should I say "you must be new here" or should I mention that he's probably one of the M$ sponsored fanboys that runs around here spouting things that allow you to get all ravenous in the mouth?
truth be told, Microsoft does have a quality assurance group just as every other industry does. Granted, smaller companies don't have whole teams of users to do QA, but the thing is that MS products are possibly submitted to nearly every possible combination of events, actions, groups, and user actions (as well as possible third party products) through the fact that there are so many more people on the face of the earth than what are in MS QA.
Truth be told, if you only used MS approved hardware and software, and then used a competent "approved" antivirus with competent (knowledgeable) computing habits, including what you download and intall -which really wouldn't be necessarily MS approved, and would cut out most games (no sony maybe, etc) and media applications (they already have a cd-burner as well as dvd player, etc) then your system would not be susceptible to all the failures that people report (provided you don't visit drive-by virus sites or recieve malformed VBS style email and attachments, however, don't forget that i did say "competent" antivirus). Microsoft couldn't have this either, as most people are not going to devote the time to becoming tech-savvy enough to have all good computing habits well entrenched in their psyches because that would mean them doing more than click click click. If users were to be forced to do this, MS would not have anywhere near the revenues that they do now.
Since none of us live in a perfect world (and since so few of us use the win-machines we have in an off-the-net way (I do, but only because it's my devel machine for windows apps and school stuff) and used more hardened machines for internet stuff, and only download only source, etc.) then it's entirely in the realm of the expected for windows to have the security flaws it has.
but surely a bios that recognized a pata 512 and a sata 4k could still read from both drives, b/c of different h/d i/o controllers being put in place. many boards already have those. then you would need a o/s that would recognize both drives that could be iso bootable for the purpose of transferring all files from the one drive to the other. this is not outside the realm of the possible for the/. crowd. so really what is at stake is that if you buy one of these new drives, you at least need a new mobo, or, depending on the complexity of the mobo you have, at least a rom flash.
cost of new h/d: $400 cost to use new h/d: $1200
sign me up!! I already don't have enough money as it is.
Isn't there some truth to this? I thought there was currently a 512byte limit on bootsector virus sizes, or at least a 512byte limit to tell the system which and how to execute the next block.
Won't this also affect lilo and the like? Now I foresee all sorts of things needing to be rewritten, so that's why Microsoft knew they wouldn't ship till after Christmas. Wow, they're so clairvoyant! But honestly, the current forms should still work, just not take up all the space, eh? How does this affect the linux boot sector limit? It probably won't.
I'm driving an '05 Chevy Malibu that has enough get up and go for me to be concerned with (two speeding tickets in less than 18 months, and didn't realize I had pushed up that high, both times were for passing on the freeway too:( ) and I get 32 city and 36 hwy, on average. If I gun a lot, I still get about 27 city and 30 hwy.
Just thought I would be a little helpful for those who are looking.
My problem is I WANT the Civic hybrid? Just can't afford it yet, ya know, with a backorder etc.
Preview Edit:I typed this all up, and then realized, you agree with me, but thought others might get something from this, so, I'm not raining on your parade or ranting you to death, just thought I would get it out of my system. Thanks. Btw:BS-ME/CS or MS-ME/CS. Almost to at least graduate BA-ME/CS myself, but working my up through MS-ME/CS and just curious what school?
While I almost completely agree with your post, I'm curious to your (and others) thoughts on this:
The software really does make the system, but when the hardware doesn't support a function, doesn't that really limit what the software can do? Let's do a case in point, shall we?
I work for a major NA computer manufacturer. I work in Enterprise Storage and Servers. I have worked with both the Win and Unix groups. This company* has it's own, well known and well supported version of Unix that commonly goes by just 4 letters. Well, the windows computers are very little more than what you could build for yourself from a well stocked online computer warehouse, with two exceptions. They have board engineers who design higher value boards by knowing actually designing the boards themselves. These are mostly fine machines, and the low end retails for about 600-800 bucks (those suck), while the good units retail around 5k-8k and then you add hd's. Anyways, they just run Win and use Intel or AMD.
Now, the units that seem to be more open to working with are the Unix machines. These units use a hybrid CISC chip developed for inhouse use by us and a major NA chip vendor**. We also have a variant that uses RISC. The platform here will accept either chip on the same I/O, provided the pinout matches up. We use about three different pinouts, mostly for marketing to say, "oh well, that system requires a $20,000 chip, even though it's the same chip as this which costs $5,000 for that other platform". Those differences are apparently mostly about power (volts and sales).
Here's the thing I'm getting to.
On the Unix side, we can put in either chip and change a single switch, we can change almost any (bios) software settable setting by command and all the hardware works wonderfully. Almost any unit can be completely controlled from a serial interface, or even almost as much control from a remote term.
On the Windows side, without telnetting in, it's almost impossible to work in telnet, without having special scripts set up serverside. There are numerous bios settings which cannot be accessed from the command interface, and the boards have to be specific to either AMD or Intel.
I would say that the HARDWARE design on the Unix systems is much better than the HARDWARE design on the Windows systems, even though they both end up running WINDOWS.
So why aren't we, as an industry, looking to ourselves and asking why we don't have better systems? I would love to take an EE class or something *** and as a thesis or whatever work on my own system board and farm it out to be produced. I would willingly spend $10,000+ to have what I would consider a perfect board (probably a single run, not cost effective), IF!! I could work with it almost as perfectly as these boards do us. Now I'm not saying there's not a fallout rate, but a) it's low, and b) my 10k sysboard would have a helluva-lot-of features that would make it cost retail about $800.
But do we demand of ourselves "perfect" boards? We sure do ask ASUS and a few others to make them, but for the most part, we have become complacent with throwaway systems.
How does a good hardware education not make a difference in the Real World?****
And in this whole post, I haven't even begun to touch on the big iron servers (no, ours aren't that great, but only b/c the competitor has been doing BI since 1950-what? and we sell primarily? ink? hehe)
****What I felt like you were getting at, because, some of us want the jobs designing the next big thing, not talking about it. *I feel bad about naming the company in case someone has a problem with what I am about to say, so you can decide for yourself who I work for. **Can't you see who I work for? ***Not sure if this would be the where to do it at
BadAnalogyGuy made some good points in his reply to your post, but I just wanted to agree with you that CS is definitely not the same thing as IT or SE, where CS is traditionally hardware and R&D and IT/SE is primarily sales, support and application programming. I have been bucking the system at the last couple of schools I have been at (displacement because of -> marriage + job availability = no time for school!) because they keep pushing IT whereas I want CS. To top it all off, the IT departments have both been part of the School of BUSINESS, not science, eng or math! I for one don't get that!
Actually, I do. You want people who can sell the results of CS working on the IT side, but can we at least educate people the difference between the TV commercials for "how to program and test your own videogames" and the ITT "tech-support degree" commericals and the real degree programs (not that ITT and some others don't have valid degree programs, just you gotta pick the one for the career you want to actually DO).
This is actually what I want. BadAnalogyGuy stated
Beyond that, a Computer Engineering which encompasses both Software and Hardware engineering is another type of program that would be useful.
I've been telling my wife for a year now that I want to minor in pre-eng and then go back to school for my MS for some field of engineering. Reckon where I can get one of these CE/SW+HW-eng degrees? MIT, Berkely, somewhere a little cheaper?
I know I know, masters programs != cheap. Really, I only intended to say, "I agree that students who want to learn java should goto a community college. Thanks for the encouraging words from a fellow student". Can those students read assembly code?
nonsense, androids and robots the world over would just connect via usb, bluetooth, or when necessary ps2 to the host machine and transfer the appropriate key commands directly. pfft typing.
just because we don't want to pay overly inflated prices for something that we have no control over does not imply that we will not pay for it at all
if the games were released at a reasonable price, some of us would indeed pay for it. the problem is how do YOU define reasonably priced, and how do I???
okay, while i'm pretty much a huge sim* fan, just like (everybody else on this site)-10%, i never, for the life of me, had the time or motivation to figure either one of those out. were they really good games?
ah, for the love of no school and no work
and my $.02 on the article, "Yay! Another WW game!!!"
while i agree with your intent, your content is incorrect. Dupai Ports would only be acquiring about 10% of each of 6 or something like that of port business, not security, etc. There will still be other docks that would be in operation, Port of Houston not affected, whereas Port of New Orleans is, etc. There would be ways around it, but what if we had/were to piss the British off enough to have them declare a blockade on us (at the ports). Yeah, it's so extremely unlikely as to be a non existent threat, however, it could happen, and could affect us in the same way.
I thought farm subsidies were to help the farmer keep food on his own table (pun intended) because nobody was farming except for a handful, and those were big conglomerates. You know, produce only has so long before it starts to decompose on its own. You tell me how, without major commercial refrigeration (remember harmful CO2 from powerplant emissions) we can keep some produce at peak longer than that? Yeah, corn and wheat and potatos would be okay, and tomatoes grow all season long for the most part, and do we really need bananas? But how long does it take for the apples and oranges you buy at the local grocer to start turning? Not long at my house, when the food makes it that long.
remember the episode (what am i saying, of course you do) where marge and homer realize that they met at a summer camp before they "met" each other? Marge ironed her hair and it was brown/black when down, not blue.
I know cartman responded to you, but i feel compelled to respond as well. I work for HP in the server manufac div and I can tell you that from here in Houston, TX (remember us, the guys who take in all "those lazy mexicans" and the ones who absorbed the gov't assisted (read never-wanted-to-work-apparently-according-to-the-t hings-they-say folks from New Orleans) and I can tell you that the CPUs that we install in the enterprise level servers (read as the ones you see in CDW ads all the way up to the monsters that hold more cpus than you could use, yeah right, beowulf these mugs) come from Costa Rica and the dimms from either Singapore or Puerto Rico (oh crap, as I type this, I forget if I've gone and reversed the CR/PR... I haven't been in the build group for a while, just tech lately) but my point is, NONE of those places are CHINA or INDIA. Yeah, we got about 1% of 1% of installed parts come from China, that I have seen, and about 10% of 1% come from India. Most come from Singapore, Taiwan (okay, maybe I'll concede you China on this one, but they are a legally seperate entity from what I remember), and plenty from the US or our "territories" (you know which ones I'm talking about). I even install plenty of CPUs that were manufac'd here in the good ole USofA
So other than the fact that all of these servers are either for domestic customers (trust me, $X,000,000's on the end of a lot of customer receipts) or they are for export, explain how we are giving away all the manufacturing jobs and only buying our computer equipment from outside the US?
Better yet, explain how I live and work in Houston(, TX, USA) but my job is in the Far East?
or that Microsoft now does most of it's coding in Hydrabad.
And what or where or who is Hydrabad?
You also apparently missed the news story last week that the United States now exports so much food that we only have a two week supply for our own people. NONE of this is profitable anymore.
So I don't have to pay for storage and warehousing and refrigeration and HIGHER ENERGY BILLS DUE TO HIGHER CONSUMPTION by the grower/warehouser? My family is in produce (not I, I do computers, but I put in seven years with 'em, so I ain't slouchin off like my cousins, errrggggg) and I can tell you that the turnover on what you eat at your table, unless the store is warehousing their own produce for over a week, and assuming that you are eating fresh veggies, is within a week (10 days tops) usually of when it was harvested and shipped. We keep produce on hand for about two days tops on the main items. Some items, such as hard fruits and greens may stay in storage for as long as two months, but that is because there aren't weekly harvests, nor is that available, all harvests across the country happen at pretty much the same time, but most of the vegetables that Americans consume, came out of the ground within the past week, give or take some time for transportation.
Trust me, we both warehouse em and grow em. Ever heard of McAllen, TX? Go look up the Mayor (eh, he might not be anymore, I think he retired, but he was for 20+ years, late 70's) and then find my Real Name, not that hard, just look, and then find out about what they did for the produce industry as well as other parts of the country. Okay, so I like to brag on my family, wouldn't you, but we did do a lot. Here's the sad part, my grandfather got sick, sold the Atlanta grocery distribution part that he was head of to a seperate company, and then they went and sold out to one of our competitors. Too sad, it was a $335 million dollar buyout, cash. My point of this block, that I know about produce. So tell me again why we need to maintain over three weeks of food for this country? It gets eaten quick enough, but we do the growing, so unless you NEED starfruits or avocados or some other specialty vegetable or fruit, where corn and wheat and apples and oranges won't do, please let me know, because I would love to start a specialty farms here in the US for people who NEED them, not just have wants.
Civ III, does that imply someone released a Civ II? Oh my, and I thought I was doing good with my Sim-City population of 100,000+ people . . .
{gently waking up} ah those were the days, and I'm still waiting on a release of Sim-Tower 2 (please don't break my heart if there was one, i don't really want to know, but if you have details...)
So that um, ten seconds of formatting was stopping you from doing what exactly? I never understood why people were so antsy over that small an amount of time as what was required to format a floppy.
And of course I refer to it all in past tense, since nowadays it's all in the usb-key/drive/fob/whatever_name_you_call_it_becaus e_everyone_knows_a_different_branded_name
Well, too late for this, but it's probably my fault anyways. I was just telling my wife (non-techie) about 6 months ago how I was looking at purchasing a set of Blackberry-phones for each of us, and month's later, after showing her different models and "why" they were so useful, out comes news of RIM's imminent demise, then I told her forget about it, and now they haven't quite died yet. Mark my words, if I were to support them in this post, they would be gone by next week.
Gawd I'm amazed at the assumptions made by those that should know better here on/.
actually, not all of us that think we know something are posting. I know that what I think I know is not enough, so thanks for clarifying some of others posts.
as for
127*1.414=179.578
is that 1.414 the short form of the square root of 2?
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Eh, carpetshark wrote: I wouldn't disagree that MS development is pressured.
so that was the fanboyism thing, not your post.
yours was a ftfa quote. This is a discussion forum you know, where you tack onto the previous guys stuff and talk about what he was discussing.
ahha, i was under the impression this was related to the scope of the superconductor itself, mass an issue and all that. provided your info was correct (and it seems perfectly valid, no reason to doubt whatsoever) that puts everything in perspective on why this would be easily reproducible
i always call this effect the mechanic effect. I'm sure it's got one of those "murphy's xxx" names or something. Anytime you take your car to the garage or you go to the doctor or whatever, the symptons have all disappeared. get home and they rear their ugly heads.
yeah, i'm gonna just run right out to my backyard superconductor and my high tech sensors and duplicate that right now
who besides cern and maybe one or two others (tops) could duplicate this?
i don't know about people telling ballmer they couldn't do it, but what about paul thurrott's site?
go about a third of the way down.
********** watch out for adver-link-popup-windows-crap *************
keep us informed when you get ready to start, you may have more help than you think show up, i just don't want to be an orderly.
I was under the impression that of those 8, several were the server variants
even if you just look at current windows offerings, you have
windows xp home
windows xp pro
windows xp mce (2 ver i believe)
windows small bus serv
windows serv
windows serv enterprise
windows datacenter serv
windows web (according to their site in various places, but i don't think this counts, i mean really, IIS is a server? that's like saying so is sql and exchange)
there is also:
windows embedded (various light o/s for portable machines, phones, etc)
isn't there even a special version for tablet software?
of course, not accounting for just having 64bit and itanium versions of the diff o/s offerings, we have so far listed at least 7 different versions, so if you consider that ms is now offering one more for international sales, then isn't it entirely possible that they are trimming the fat somewhat and offering less versions?
so just for pointing it out, this site says that there will only be 5 major flavors. but it looks like they don't count their server offerings as different flavors.
enjoy
Should I say "you must be new here" or should I mention that he's probably one of the M$ sponsored fanboys that runs around here spouting things that allow you to get all ravenous in the mouth?
truth be told, Microsoft does have a quality assurance group just as every other industry does. Granted, smaller companies don't have whole teams of users to do QA, but the thing is that MS products are possibly submitted to nearly every possible combination of events, actions, groups, and user actions (as well as possible third party products) through the fact that there are so many more people on the face of the earth than what are in MS QA.
Truth be told, if you only used MS approved hardware and software, and then used a competent "approved" antivirus with competent (knowledgeable) computing habits, including what you download and intall -which really wouldn't be necessarily MS approved, and would cut out most games (no sony maybe, etc) and media applications (they already have a cd-burner as well as dvd player, etc) then your system would not be susceptible to all the failures that people report (provided you don't visit drive-by virus sites or recieve malformed VBS style email and attachments, however, don't forget that i did say "competent" antivirus). Microsoft couldn't have this either, as most people are not going to devote the time to becoming tech-savvy enough to have all good computing habits well entrenched in their psyches because that would mean them doing more than click click click. If users were to be forced to do this, MS would not have anywhere near the revenues that they do now.
Since none of us live in a perfect world (and since so few of us use the win-machines we have in an off-the-net way (I do, but only because it's my devel machine for windows apps and school stuff) and used more hardened machines for internet stuff, and only download only source, etc.) then it's entirely in the realm of the expected for windows to have the security flaws it has.
but surely a bios that recognized a pata 512 and a sata 4k could still read from both drives, b/c of different h/d i/o controllers being put in place. many boards already have those. then you would need a o/s that would recognize both drives that could be iso bootable for the purpose of transferring all files from the one drive to the other. this is not outside the realm of the possible for the /. crowd. so really what is at stake is that if you buy one of these new drives, you at least need a new mobo, or, depending on the complexity of the mobo you have, at least a rom flash.
cost of new h/d: $400
cost to use new h/d: $1200
sign me up!! I already don't have enough money as it is.
Isn't there some truth to this? I thought there was currently a 512byte limit on bootsector virus sizes, or at least a 512byte limit to tell the system which and how to execute the next block.
Won't this also affect lilo and the like? Now I foresee all sorts of things needing to be rewritten, so that's why Microsoft knew they wouldn't ship till after Christmas. Wow, they're so clairvoyant! But honestly, the current forms should still work, just not take up all the space, eh? How does this affect the linux boot sector limit? It probably won't.
I'm driving an '05 Chevy Malibu that has enough get up and go for me to be concerned with (two speeding tickets in less than 18 months, and didn't realize I had pushed up that high, both times were for passing on the freeway too :( ) and I get 32 city and 36 hwy, on average. If I gun a lot, I still get about 27 city and 30 hwy.
Just thought I would be a little helpful for those who are looking.
My problem is I WANT the Civic hybrid? Just can't afford it yet, ya know, with a backorder etc.
Would you do this? WHYYYYY?
/sarcasm off
okay, yeah, you would think you could trust them
Preview Edit:I typed this all up, and then realized, you agree with me, but thought others might get something from this, so, I'm not raining on your parade or ranting you to death, just thought I would get it out of my system. Thanks. Btw:BS-ME/CS or MS-ME/CS. Almost to at least graduate BA-ME/CS myself, but working my up through MS-ME/CS and just curious what school?
While I almost completely agree with your post, I'm curious to your (and others) thoughts on this:
The software really does make the system, but when the hardware doesn't support a function, doesn't that really limit what the software can do? Let's do a case in point, shall we?
I work for a major NA computer manufacturer. I work in Enterprise Storage and Servers. I have worked with both the Win and Unix groups. This company* has it's own, well known and well supported version of Unix that commonly goes by just 4 letters. Well, the windows computers are very little more than what you could build for yourself from a well stocked online computer warehouse, with two exceptions. They have board engineers who design higher value boards by knowing actually designing the boards themselves. These are mostly fine machines, and the low end retails for about 600-800 bucks (those suck), while the good units retail around 5k-8k and then you add hd's. Anyways, they just run Win and use Intel or AMD.
Now, the units that seem to be more open to working with are the Unix machines. These units use a hybrid CISC chip developed for inhouse use by us and a major NA chip vendor**. We also have a variant that uses RISC. The platform here will accept either chip on the same I/O, provided the pinout matches up. We use about three different pinouts, mostly for marketing to say, "oh well, that system requires a $20,000 chip, even though it's the same chip as this which costs $5,000 for that other platform". Those differences are apparently mostly about power (volts and sales).
Here's the thing I'm getting to.
On the Unix side, we can put in either chip and change a single switch, we can change almost any (bios) software settable setting by command and all the hardware works wonderfully. Almost any unit can be completely controlled from a serial interface, or even almost as much control from a remote term.
On the Windows side, without telnetting in, it's almost impossible to work in telnet, without having special scripts set up serverside. There are numerous bios settings which cannot be accessed from the command interface, and the boards have to be specific to either AMD or Intel.
I would say that the HARDWARE design on the Unix systems is much better than the HARDWARE design on the Windows systems, even though they both end up running WINDOWS.
So why aren't we, as an industry, looking to ourselves and asking why we don't have better systems? I would love to take an EE class or something *** and as a thesis or whatever work on my own system board and farm it out to be produced. I would willingly spend $10,000+ to have what I would consider a perfect board (probably a single run, not cost effective), IF!! I could work with it almost as perfectly as these boards do us. Now I'm not saying there's not a fallout rate, but a) it's low, and b) my 10k sysboard would have a helluva-lot-of features that would make it cost retail about $800.
But do we demand of ourselves "perfect" boards? We sure do ask ASUS and a few others to make them, but for the most part, we have become complacent with throwaway systems.
How does a good hardware education not make a difference in the Real World?****
And in this whole post, I haven't even begun to touch on the big iron servers (no, ours aren't that great, but only b/c the competitor has been doing BI since 1950-what? and we sell primarily? ink? hehe)
****What I felt like you were getting at, because, some of us want the jobs designing the next big thing, not talking about it.
*I feel bad about naming the company in case someone has a problem with what I am about to say, so you can decide for yourself who I work for.
**Can't you see who I work for?
***Not sure if this would be the where to do it at
Okay, so you hire somebody else to read the code and write the specs.
Note, I also refuse to stoop so low as to re-mention C0__@q on this thread.
Actually, I do. You want people who can sell the results of CS working on the IT side, but can we at least educate people the difference between the TV commercials for "how to program and test your own videogames" and the ITT "tech-support degree" commericals and the real degree programs (not that ITT and some others don't have valid degree programs, just you gotta pick the one for the career you want to actually DO).
This is actually what I want. BadAnalogyGuy statedI've been telling my wife for a year now that I want to minor in pre-eng and then go back to school for my MS for some field of engineering. Reckon where I can get one of these CE/SW+HW-eng degrees? MIT, Berkely, somewhere a little cheaper?
I know I know, masters programs != cheap.
Really, I only intended to say, "I agree that students who want to learn java should goto a community college. Thanks for the encouraging words from a fellow student". Can those students read assembly code?
nonsense, androids and robots the world over would just connect via usb, bluetooth, or when necessary ps2 to the host machine and transfer the appropriate key commands directly. pfft typing.
just because we don't want to pay overly inflated prices for something that we have no control over does not imply that we will not pay for it at all
if the games were released at a reasonable price, some of us would indeed pay for it. the problem is how do YOU define reasonably priced, and how do I???
okay, while i'm pretty much a huge sim* fan, just like (everybody else on this site)-10%, i never, for the life of me, had the time or motivation to figure either one of those out. were they really good games?
ah, for the love of no school and no work
and my $.02 on the article, "Yay! Another WW game!!!"
while i agree with your intent, your content is incorrect. Dupai Ports would only be acquiring about 10% of each of 6 or something like that of port business, not security, etc. There will still be other docks that would be in operation, Port of Houston not affected, whereas Port of New Orleans is, etc. There would be ways around it, but what if we had/were to piss the British off enough to have them declare a blockade on us (at the ports). Yeah, it's so extremely unlikely as to be a non existent threat, however, it could happen, and could affect us in the same way.
I thought farm subsidies were to help the farmer keep food on his own table (pun intended) because nobody was farming except for a handful, and those were big conglomerates. You know, produce only has so long before it starts to decompose on its own. You tell me how, without major commercial refrigeration (remember harmful CO2 from powerplant emissions) we can keep some produce at peak longer than that? Yeah, corn and wheat and potatos would be okay, and tomatoes grow all season long for the most part, and do we really need bananas? But how long does it take for the apples and oranges you buy at the local grocer to start turning? Not long at my house, when the food makes it that long.
remember the episode (what am i saying, of course you do) where marge and homer realize that they met at a summer camp before they "met" each other? Marge ironed her hair and it was brown/black when down, not blue.
So other than the fact that all of these servers are either for domestic customers (trust me, $X,000,000's on the end of a lot of customer receipts) or they are for export, explain how we are giving away all the manufacturing jobs and only buying our computer equipment from outside the US?
Better yet, explain how I live and work in Houston(, TX, USA) but my job is in the Far East?
And what or where or who is Hydrabad?
So I don't have to pay for storage and warehousing and refrigeration and HIGHER ENERGY BILLS DUE TO HIGHER CONSUMPTION by the grower/warehouser? My family is in produce (not I, I do computers, but I put in seven years with 'em, so I ain't slouchin off like my cousins, errrggggg) and I can tell you that the turnover on what you eat at your table, unless the store is warehousing their own produce for over a week, and assuming that you are eating fresh veggies, is within a week (10 days tops) usually of when it was harvested and shipped. We keep produce on hand for about two days tops on the main items. Some items, such as hard fruits and greens may stay in storage for as long as two months, but that is because there aren't weekly harvests, nor is that available, all harvests across the country happen at pretty much the same time, but most of the vegetables that Americans consume, came out of the ground within the past week, give or take some time for transportation.
Trust me, we both warehouse em and grow em. Ever heard of McAllen, TX? Go look up the Mayor (eh, he might not be anymore, I think he retired, but he was for 20+ years, late 70's) and then find my Real Name, not that hard, just look, and then find out about what they did for the produce industry as well as other parts of the country. Okay, so I like to brag on my family, wouldn't you, but we did do a lot. Here's the sad part, my grandfather got sick, sold the Atlanta grocery distribution part that he was head of to a seperate company, and then they went and sold out to one of our competitors. Too sad, it was a $335 million dollar buyout, cash. My point of this block, that I know about produce. So tell me again why we need to maintain over three weeks of food for this country? It gets eaten quick enough, but we do the growing, so unless you NEED starfruits or avocados or some other specialty vegetable or fruit, where corn and wheat and apples and oranges won't do, please let me know, because I would love to start a specialty farms here in the US for people who NEED them, not just have wants.
Civ III, does that imply someone released a Civ II? Oh my, and I thought I was doing good with my Sim-City population of 100,000+ people . . .
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{gently waking up} ah those were the days, and I'm still waiting on a release of Sim-Tower 2 (please don't break my heart if there was one, i don't really want to know, but if you have details
So that um, ten seconds of formatting was stopping you from doing what exactly? I never understood why people were so antsy over that small an amount of time as what was required to format a floppy.
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And of course I refer to it all in past tense, since nowadays it's all in the usb-key/drive/fob/whatever_name_you_call_it_becau
Well, too late for this, but it's probably my fault anyways. I was just telling my wife (non-techie) about 6 months ago how I was looking at purchasing a set of Blackberry-phones for each of us, and month's later, after showing her different models and "why" they were so useful, out comes news of RIM's imminent demise, then I told her forget about it, and now they haven't quite died yet. Mark my words, if I were to support them in this post, they would be gone by next week.
Okay, I'm going to leave them alone now.
as for is that 1.414 the short form of the square root of 2?