If he doesn't know that you know you could always give him a special show. May I suggest pointing it at images of a certain man of the goats we've all come to know and fear? Or perhaps his girlfriend in her tub?
Why exactly should we care? I really doubt the Mexican people care about our opinions of Vincente Fox. The same would apply to the British and our opinion of Tony Blair, or the South Africans and our opinion of President Mbeki. I thought the Spanish were quite silly for letting the Madrid bombing to affect their voting to such an extent, but I don't expect them to care about my opinion. It's their country, not mine.
The US is our country. We will vote for who we please, not who may or may not please people in other countries. If this is a problem please feel free to go pound sand.
A nice rant, but it's a.30-30, not a.30-.30. Any real sportsman would know this.
Ah. So typos preclude me from being knowledgeable. I will strive to improve.
Oh, and it's highly unlikely that standard.30-30 would penetrate a modern bullet-proof vest.
Incorrect. Standard.30-30 hunting ammo will blow straight through anything up to and including a Class IIIA vest. You have to go to a full Class III (with steel trauma plates) to stop anything but the flimsiest rifle ammunition.
Can I get some linkage on that? Or is it BS? (Specifically the.30-.30 WInchester part)
Sorry, I meant to post a link to that and got in a hurry. First, the exact quote from Kennedy for those who don't feel like reading the Congressional Record which I will link to at the bottom:
"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.
"It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America. Armor-piercing ammunition for rifles and assault weapons is virtually unregulated in the United States. A Federal license is not required to sell such ammunition unless firearms are sold as well. Anyone over the age of 18 may purchase this ammunition without a background check. There is no Federal minimum age of possession. Purchases may be made over the counter, by mail order, by fax, by Internet, and there is no Federal requirement that dealers retain sales records."
--- Senator Edward Kennedy, New York (February 26, 2004, Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, Congressional Record, (Pp. S1634-5)
This bill would have essentially given the Attorney General the power to ban any ammunition that was capable of penetrating police soft body armor. (For those unfamiliar with the 30-30 caliber it is a popular deer rifle cartridge.) (Presidential candidate, John Kerry, was one of the votes in favor of this bill.)
Really? I was kind of put off by your initial sentence, did I misunderstand?
Unfortunately, in America, the pro-gun voting block is incredibly strong.
To be clear, I think outlawing specific classes of firearms is pointless. The only people those laws affect are law-abiding people. I think that I (and any other law-abiding citizen) should be able to purchase anything from tiny.22 derringers to full-auto rifles.
I have literally purchased some firearms just because I know that it pisses off the antis. I bought a cheap AK, built an AR-15 from parts and am planning on buying a beater FAL to rebuild for a fun project. They make a nice counterpart to my lower-tech but just-as-fun revolvers and lever-action and bolt-action rifles.
Unfortunately, in America, the pro-gun voting block is incredibly strong. A national politician has a difficult time getting elected if the opponent can say he's anti-guns.
Yes, those of us who are in favor of our 2nd Amendment rights (you know, part of that darned Bill of Rights)organize and tend to vote for people who are like-minded. That's democracy for you.
That's why major democrats promote themselves as hunters (Kerry, Ann Richards, etc.)-- to defuse potential FUD that they're going to take away people's weapons.
Yes, politicians like Kerry like to pose with their multi-thousands-of-dollars over & under imported shotguns while trap-shooting at the range. If you didn't know, trap-shooting, while a fun sport, tends to be overrun with what could be termed the aristocratic snobs of the so-called "gun culture." "See, I'll let you keep your $10,000 dollar trap gun. It's just those eeeeeeevil 'assault weapons' I don't like."
And yes, Kerry and Ted Kennedy both voted for a bill (that fortunately failed) which would have outlawed "any centerfire rifle ammunition capable of penetrating a bulletproof vest." What they didn't want to tell you is that is EVERY center-fire rifle cartridge. Including that dastardly.30-.30 Winchester, the round typically chambered in grandpa's old lever-action rifle and used to take more deer than pretty much any other round in the world. So yes, we do fear him and his kind coming to more power than they already have.
Hunters are not opposed to the Endangered Species Act. Hunters and fishermen appreciate government regulations that provide them with more animals to catch or kill. Check out Ducks Unlimited, for example. The biggest opponents of the ESA are developers and polluters. Both of these groups are very friendly to the GOP when it comes to fundraising.
Not all "gun people" are the same on every subject. Personally I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. I have friends I go shooting with who fall all over the political map. Oh, and yes, I'm a big proponent of the ESA.
For some reason, many people think of a credit card as free money - that if it's not draining their account right now, it's not real money. Parents are to blame, not heartless corporations (this time).
Uh, no. The people running up debts they can't afford to pay are to blame. It is quite possible the parents "should" have done a better job of teaching their kids how to handle money, but in the end you're responsible for your own actions.
Oh, wait. I forgot - nobody is responsible for the consequences of their own actions anymore. Never mind.
Why is suggesting that people pay the debts they incur according to the terms they agreed to flamebait?
If you can't afford to pay your bills, don't borrow the money. It's just that simple. It's surprising how little money you actually need to get by. You do not need a cell phone or a computer or high speed internet or cable tv - or a tv at all. These are luxuries. You need food, shelter, clothing and transportation to your job. The rest is nice to have but not necessary.
Well, you probably shouldn't use the bag you normally carry your pot in as a carryon. ^_~
Me, I learned a similar lesson - it's a bad idea to re-pack my range bag as a carryon. Residual gunpowder can show up on those little testers. And while it didn't happen I kept thinking "What if I missed a loose round of ammo and it's lying in some crevice of the bag awaiting discovery?"
A classic example is the use of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) of 1970 in a 1986 lawsuit by the National Organization of Women against Operation Rescue. RICO was designed specifically to go after organized crime (Mafia), not to stop people from protesting outside clinics. In the end the lawsuit was overturned by the Supreme Court. Hopefully misuse of the Patriot Act will be similarly overturned.
(now watch as I get modded down by people who assume I'm not pro-choice because I disagree with this usage of the RICO statute)
Yes, I know. It was a joke. I have no idea how old you are, but that used to be a standard polemic back in the 70's. "If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we ?"
In the server room 30 feet from my desk I have 21 servers. 3 of them are running Novell Netware 6, the rest of them varying flavors of NT Server, 2K server and 2K3. There's a reason I'm running 3 large office buildings worth of users on only 3 Netware servers - because that's all I NEED to do it. If you look out there you might say "Well, Microsoft has 18 server installations to Novell's 3. Microsoft is winning." You'd be wrong.
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He's got the circuses part covered. Where's the bread?
If you're going to quote Ben Franklin use the entire quote:
"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote."
Nah. Too flashy. Besides, I already own one like the one I linked to. It's a sweet shooter and the ammo's a lot cheaper than a LAW. ^_~
The only way to fight that is with automated ticketing cameras or noise traps.
I beg to disagree.
I'm just sayin'.
If he doesn't know that you know you could always give him a special show. May I suggest pointing it at images of a certain man of the goats we've all come to know and fear? Or perhaps his girlfriend in her tub?
How are you going to heat an entire building to 3,000 degrees?
Rumor has it that nuclear waste is warm.
Interesting. I had not heard that angle on the story before. I will have to do some more reading on the subject. Thank you.
Not from me you don't. I don't post AC. I didn't find your comment worth responding to.
Why exactly should we care? I really doubt the Mexican people care about our opinions of Vincente Fox. The same would apply to the British and our opinion of Tony Blair, or the South Africans and our opinion of President Mbeki. I thought the Spanish were quite silly for letting the Madrid bombing to affect their voting to such an extent, but I don't expect them to care about my opinion. It's their country, not mine.
The US is our country. We will vote for who we please, not who may or may not please people in other countries. If this is a problem please feel free to go pound sand.
For me it only happens in Firefox, but not in the full Mozilla 1.7 package. Bizarre.
As a 36 year old, I resent the implication that we're all old fogeys. ;)
As someone who will be 36 in 16 days I have to remind you of something. We are now old enough to legally date women half our age.
Oh, and in six more years we can buy them drinks. ^_~
A nice rant, but it's a
Ah. So typos preclude me from being knowledgeable. I will strive to improve.
Oh, and it's highly unlikely that standard
Incorrect. Standard
Can I get some linkage on that? Or is it BS? (Specifically the .30-.30 WInchester part)
g i?position=all&page=S1633&dbname=2004_reco rd
Sorry, I meant to post a link to that and got in a hurry. First, the exact quote from Kennedy for those who don't feel like reading the Congressional Record which I will link to at the bottom:
"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.
"It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America. Armor-piercing ammunition for rifles and assault weapons is virtually unregulated in the United States. A Federal license is not required to sell such ammunition unless firearms are sold as well. Anyone over the age of 18 may purchase this ammunition without a background check. There is no Federal minimum age of possession. Purchases may be made over the counter, by mail order, by fax, by Internet, and there is no Federal requirement that dealers retain sales records."
--- Senator Edward Kennedy, New York (February 26, 2004, Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, Congressional Record, (Pp. S1634-5)
This bill would have essentially given the Attorney General the power to ban any ammunition that was capable of penetrating police soft body armor. (For those unfamiliar with the 30-30 caliber it is a popular deer rifle cartridge.) (Presidential candidate, John Kerry, was one of the votes in favor of this bill.)
Link to the Government Printing Office's site listing the relevant section of the Congressional Record:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.c
PS - I had problems getting that to show up properly in Mozilla. IE worked fine.
Really? I was kind of put off by your initial sentence, did I misunderstand?
.22 derringers to full-auto rifles.
Unfortunately, in America, the pro-gun voting block is incredibly strong.
To be clear, I think outlawing specific classes of firearms is pointless. The only people those laws affect are law-abiding people. I think that I (and any other law-abiding citizen) should be able to purchase anything from tiny
I have literally purchased some firearms just because I know that it pisses off the antis. I bought a cheap AK, built an AR-15 from parts and am planning on buying a beater FAL to rebuild for a fun project. They make a nice counterpart to my lower-tech but just-as-fun revolvers and lever-action and bolt-action rifles.
Let's go through this a line at a time.
.30-.30 Winchester, the round typically chambered in grandpa's old lever-action rifle and used to take more deer than pretty much any other round in the world. So yes, we do fear him and his kind coming to more power than they already have.
Unfortunately, in America, the pro-gun voting block is incredibly strong. A national politician has a difficult time getting elected if the opponent can say he's anti-guns.
Yes, those of us who are in favor of our 2nd Amendment rights (you know, part of that darned Bill of Rights)organize and tend to vote for people who are like-minded. That's democracy for you.
That's why major democrats promote themselves as hunters (Kerry, Ann Richards, etc.)-- to defuse potential FUD that they're going to take away people's weapons.
Yes, politicians like Kerry like to pose with their multi-thousands-of-dollars over & under imported shotguns while trap-shooting at the range. If you didn't know, trap-shooting, while a fun sport, tends to be overrun with what could be termed the aristocratic snobs of the so-called "gun culture." "See, I'll let you keep your $10,000 dollar trap gun. It's just those eeeeeeevil 'assault weapons' I don't like."
And yes, Kerry and Ted Kennedy both voted for a bill (that fortunately failed) which would have outlawed "any centerfire rifle ammunition capable of penetrating a bulletproof vest." What they didn't want to tell you is that is EVERY center-fire rifle cartridge. Including that dastardly
Hunters are not opposed to the Endangered Species Act. Hunters and fishermen appreciate government regulations that provide them with more animals to catch or kill. Check out Ducks Unlimited, for example. The biggest opponents of the ESA are developers and polluters. Both of these groups are very friendly to the GOP when it comes to fundraising.
Not all "gun people" are the same on every subject. Personally I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. I have friends I go shooting with who fall all over the political map. Oh, and yes, I'm a big proponent of the ESA.
For some reason, many people think of a credit card as free money - that if it's not draining their account right now, it's not real money. Parents are to blame, not heartless corporations (this time).
Uh, no. The people running up debts they can't afford to pay are to blame. It is quite possible the parents "should" have done a better job of teaching their kids how to handle money, but in the end you're responsible for your own actions.
Oh, wait. I forgot - nobody is responsible for the consequences of their own actions anymore. Never mind.
Why is suggesting that people pay the debts they incur according to the terms they agreed to flamebait?
If you can't afford to pay your bills, don't borrow the money. It's just that simple. It's surprising how little money you actually need to get by. You do not need a cell phone or a computer or high speed internet or cable tv - or a tv at all. These are luxuries. You need food, shelter, clothing and transportation to your job. The rest is nice to have but not necessary.
Well, you probably shouldn't use the bag you normally carry your pot in as a carryon. ^_~
Me, I learned a similar lesson - it's a bad idea to re-pack my range bag as a carryon. Residual gunpowder can show up on those little testers. And while it didn't happen I kept thinking "What if I missed a loose round of ammo and it's lying in some crevice of the bag awaiting discovery?"
Ah, it's nice to know that my faith in Slashdot is justified.
A classic example is the use of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) of 1970 in a 1986 lawsuit by the National Organization of Women against Operation Rescue. RICO was designed specifically to go after organized crime (Mafia), not to stop people from protesting outside clinics. In the end the lawsuit was overturned by the Supreme Court. Hopefully misuse of the Patriot Act will be similarly overturned.
(now watch as I get modded down by people who assume I'm not pro-choice because I disagree with this usage of the RICO statute)
Don't do anything that anyone can see or hear, ever, or the FBI will investigate you, break down your doors, and take everything you own as evidence.
And in related news the massive tin-foil shortage continues. Lighten up Francis.
what happens when you find yourself injured in later life and morphine based painkillers no longer work?
So you're assuming that because it blocks the euphoric effects that it will also block the painkilling effect? This is not necessarily the case.
Yes, I know. It was a joke. I have no idea how old you are, but that used to be a standard polemic back in the 70's. "If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we ?"
Then why can't we put those pictures up on a site that can withstand a good slashdotting?
utterly losing the LAN market to Microsoft.
In the server room 30 feet from my desk I have 21 servers. 3 of them are running Novell Netware 6, the rest of them varying flavors of NT Server, 2K server and 2K3. There's a reason I'm running 3 large office buildings worth of users on only 3 Netware servers - because that's all I NEED to do it. If you look out there you might say "Well, Microsoft has 18 server installations to Novell's 3. Microsoft is winning." You'd be wrong.