If your old machine can do 80 cols. of text, has a serial port, and you have some terminal emulation software (c'mon, I know you do, especially if you were ever into BBSs) rig yourself up a nullmodem cable and use the old box as a terminal emulator. I have an old Tandy 1000 EX that wasn't good for much more than interrupting broadcasts until I rigged up a nullmodem cable--now I use the old box as a terminal emulator. Now if the little bastard didn't have such a crappy keyboard...
Yeah, but if you're a Linux foo' you can essentially grab all your mail off of another server, then filter/forward it...while I still haven't done it yet (too lazy =) I'm setting up my Linux box at home so that mail will be routed to different accounts based on the realname of a person, despite the email address being the same (using simmons75@nospam.com for both my wife and I, and sending the mail to different accounts depending on whether it's sent to Shane Simmons or Jene' Simmons.) No, I won't help anyone else set that sort of thing up, because I'm only 65% sure of how to do it =) Soon as cold weather hits, booyeah, my box will be doing that.
Too bad this generates as much interest as, say, NoMad Linux or the re-porting of the FreeBSD ports to Linux (hell, what do we need it for when we have Debian? =P)
That, and the licensing issues benind Amiga...I hope they get straightened out, though my primary interest in Amiga is in hardware. Odd to see Amiga tech go platform-independent.
Daniel Phillips states that it's possible to pull the plug on such a machine, and not spend several minutes waiting for fsck to fix everything. Also surprising is the fact that it's intended as a replacement for ext2 (and the upcoming ext3).
It was new to me; it was apparently new to many others. Just because you have time to troll/. all the time, and have perfect recollection of every story to hit the front page, doesn't make that true of every/. reader.
Please bear that in mind before you whine about future repeat posts.
The danger is that when you have only one source of software is that you end up with some big, bloated behemoth that doesn't work very well, but does a helluva lot of things. Take, for example, Emacs. I don't use emacs; I use vim. Somethimes I use GXEdit when I'm running X. Emacs is big, emacs doesn't work in a way I like, and I hate it's scripting language. Should I be forced to use it in an effort to make "one project only d00d"? No, I don't think so. If we had that attitude, free OSs wouldn't exist.
The other danger is that you may end up with one camp dictating terms to the rest of the free software world. My operating system of choice, for example, is known as Linux. Note the conspicuous lack of the "GNU/" at the beginning of that name. Now, I really appreciate the efforts of the GNU project (RMS is God...er, rather, St. IGNUcius:^) and can't imagine the free-software world without the GNU project, but I cannot and will not allow people who purport to represent the ideals behind GNU tell me what kind of software I will be using, what I will call my operating system (whose kernel wasn't even developed by the GNU project) or what sort of licensing agreement unrelated software should have (I have been called evil for wanting several commercial pieces of software ported.)
IMHO we need a *company* to take charge of the Linux community. Community efforts (again, IMHO) won't reflect the needs of the *entire* community; in other words, won't represent both the hobbyist coder as well as the closed-source business solutions. RH can do that. RH has been doing that. I wish they weren't quite as agressive about pushing solutions on the rest of the Linux world, but it's helping to have them around.:^)
/*
So if you want to criticise us for shipping gcc 2.96, you have every right to do so - you'd be wrong, but it is at least a legitimate debate and
I'd respect your opinion.*/
Read, "You've got the right to express your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and mine is right."
Folks, people like Bob Young (even if he does come from a geeky background) understand things in terms of one thing: money. Money is what makes the world go 'round, in the business world. If you don't like RH's decisions (what I see as trying to steer the community in a certain direction, and that's not a bad goal) vote with something Mr. Young will understand. Don't buy boxed sets of Red Hat. Even better, don't use Red Hat. Use something else; nay, buy another boxed distro. The numbers will speak (and will probably still have RH on the top, though I could be wrong.)
No joke. I used to have some joker spam me from Singapore(sp) trying to sell me CD's full of warez. When I asked him to stop sending me email he mailed me back, "Fuck you, it's not illegal to spam or sell warez in my country so fuck off" or something remarkably similar to that. My solution was to write a quick little perl script that mailed him a message:
This is a polite little message asking you to please take me off your list.
This is message number [number] asking you to do so.
Thanks in advance!
I especially liked implication that the only alternative to shipping a legal copy of Windows is for customers to steal an OS--all goes back to BillG's paranoid outlook on software, no?
That's been my experience with any sort of tech support. They *especially* don't want to hear, "hey, I got this [pos-hardware] working under Linux; any ideas on getting it to work under Windows with your official drivers?" (yeah, I know, wording the question like that is an invitation to hostile behavior.)
Totally offtopic, but I just logged out of my Netaddress account, and here's the cute message I just got:
Error Occurred While Processing Request
Error Diagnostic Information
Server busy or unable to fulfill request. The server is unable to fulfill your request due to extremely high traffic or an unexpected internal
error. Please attempt your request again (if you are repeatedly unsuccessful you should notify the site administrator). (Location Code:
25)
Please inform the site administrator that this error has occurred (be sure to include the contents of this page in your message to the
administrator).
This would consist of any programming language code (henceforth referred to as "code") supported by any computational unit (henceforth referred to as a "computer") that allows a block of code to be executed n number of times and continues to loop until some sort of condition causes the loop to end.
This was inaccurate a year ago and it's even more so now.
Truths: in a server environment, speed shouldn't be the #1 factor--stability should. Security: security is only as good as you make it, adn only as good as you set it up. Would you rather set up your Linux box as best you know how, or let the techs at Microsoft do it for you?
Harder to maintain? Maybe--if you never do anything other than *use* the Windows box, and maintian your Linux box by hand. People who don't want to maintain their Linux box by hand do what the Windows kiddies do--wait for someone to do it for them (come out with update RPMs, debs, etc...that's the subject for another rant) and just grab the updates from the people who maintain their distro.
Apps? Please. I've seen a number of apps & utilities that one could do on a Linux box using standard command-line utilities. Microsoft was writing this for the folks who are afraid to learn anything.
Too bad the troll didn't really deserve them...here's where I take you to task. Now listen up; you'll learn something.
/*
Just another example of market pressure to disingtuish one distribution from another.
*/
OK, on 2nd thought, I won't. That's just dumb.
/*
Show me the GCC Steering Committee Linux, and I'll bite.
Funny that there should be more releases per
distribution than actual improvements to Linux, per se. Its basically the same Linux for almost 2 years running for all I can see.
*/
FUD! Yippee!! Red Hat Linux != Linux. Linux is a kernel; (Linux || GNU/Linux) is a Linux kernel with GNU utils (which strangely end up migrating to BSD machines; hmmmmmmm.....) and other miscellanious(sp) crap. I won't even touch the last sentence since it makes 0% sense to me. Rubber doggies eat yellow daisies.
/*
I like the way the steering committee refers to it as Gnu/Linux. If you cant even decide on what to call it, what are the chances that
you are going to agree on timely communication and a sane development model? You know, cvs and all that rot. Currently you have
LinusOS + GNU + Di$tribution du jour + a legion of cheerleaders.
I'll stick to FreeBSD.
*/
BWAHAHAHA!!!! That is so *incredibly* funny. I *know* you can't be serious now. FreeBSD (IIRC) source is updated preferably through cvsup. As far as Linux vs GNU/Linux goes, who cares other than RMS & the Stallmanites. I use both interchangably; hell, Linus doesn't even care how you *pronounce Linux.*
As far as the FreeBSD comment goes...yeah, like FreeBSD is 100% identical to other BSDs. BSD=BSD kernel + BSD utils (maybe...AFAIK lots of BSDers switch to GNU pretty quick, or so I've been told by many a BSDer) + Distribution + a legion of the cheerleaders from Nirvana's "Nevermind" video. OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, MacOS X...the list goes on and on.
/*
I think that for some applications, using a MS product is the different way to do things. I mean, there are lots of apps that have been
traditionally Unix, and you kind of have to hack around to get something equivalent to work in Windows.
*/
Yeah, and that, I think, is the point: while I've never attended one of these trade shows, I read the reports afterwards, and laugh at some company that has produced a piece of software for $100 that might be the equivalent of two command-line utilities and 5 lines of bash script. Said company makes a killing. Oh BTW, it's written for Windows.
Microsoft has a HUGE chunk of the market...there are *still* those who have *no clue* they have an alternative. I've heard people grumble before, "I'd switch if I could." Well, maybe they can now.
And no, Linux can *never* be a monopoly like Windows. You're thinking of a philosophical sense, if Linux were at the 90% mark, that would make it a monopoly. Well, yeah...but no. Linux doesn't come from one company; a lot of people make $0 from helping with Linux. We don't try to crush the competition with the same zeal as Microsoft, and don't have the collective power and collateral to simply buy the competition if they want (which they're apparently trying again; anyone want to buy Corel's product line from them before they become part of Microsoft?)
I probably *will* try out KBasic, at least. BASIC doesn't resemble the teaching language that Dykstra railed against way back when. Gee, he did a *much* better job of writing an elegant language.:^)
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That's your opinion. In my opinion, Python sucks goat balls. I find I spend more time adding blank space between lines of codes and adding tabs in code I thought was OK. It's not intuitive at all...again, in my opinion.
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If your old machine can do 80 cols. of text, has a serial port, and you have some terminal emulation software (c'mon, I know you do, especially if you were ever into BBSs) rig yourself up a nullmodem cable and use the old box as a terminal emulator. I have an old Tandy 1000 EX that wasn't good for much more than interrupting broadcasts until I rigged up a nullmodem cable--now I use the old box as a terminal emulator. Now if the little bastard didn't have such a crappy keyboard...
Yeah, but if you're a Linux foo' you can essentially grab all your mail off of another server, then filter/forward it...while I still haven't done it yet (too lazy =) I'm setting up my Linux box at home so that mail will be routed to different accounts based on the realname of a person, despite the email address being the same (using simmons75@nospam.com for both my wife and I, and sending the mail to different accounts depending on whether it's sent to Shane Simmons or Jene' Simmons.) No, I won't help anyone else set that sort of thing up, because I'm only 65% sure of how to do it =) Soon as cold weather hits, booyeah, my box will be doing that.
I've met a few Polish people; they're responible for teaching me to swear in Russian.
Too bad this generates as much interest as, say, NoMad Linux or the re-porting of the FreeBSD ports to Linux (hell, what do we need it for when we have Debian? =P)
That, and the licensing issues benind Amiga...I hope they get straightened out, though my primary interest in Amiga is in hardware. Odd to see Amiga tech go platform-independent.
Daniel Phillips states that it's possible to pull the plug on such a machine, and not spend several minutes waiting for fsck to fix everything. Also surprising is the fact that it's intended as a replacement for ext2 (and the upcoming ext3).
We will add your biological distinctiveness to your own.
Resistance is futile.
It was new to me; it was apparently new to many others. Just because you have time to troll /. all the time, and have perfect recollection of every story to hit the front page, doesn't make that true of every /. reader.
Please bear that in mind before you whine about future repeat posts.
Barf was the amusing sidekick in Spaceballs, played by John Candy. That you don't know this is inexcusable ;)
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In what came as a complete surprise and shocked many citizens, some asshole just walked up and decked me. Ow.
Seriously, guys, keep up the funny headlines...it might make people realize that, hey, it's not a serious newssite =)
And yeah, you're right; the new VAIO looks like shit...erm, barf.
//BTW, Sun, StarOffice - a coincidence?!?!
Yup--it was StarOffice before Sun bought it. =)
The danger is that when you have only one source of software is that you end up with some big, bloated behemoth that doesn't work very well, but does a helluva lot of things. Take, for example, Emacs. I don't use emacs; I use vim. Somethimes I use GXEdit when I'm running X. Emacs is big, emacs doesn't work in a way I like, and I hate it's scripting language. Should I be forced to use it in an effort to make "one project only d00d"? No, I don't think so. If we had that attitude, free OSs wouldn't exist.
:^) and can't imagine the free-software world without the GNU project, but I cannot and will not allow people who purport to represent the ideals behind GNU tell me what kind of software I will be using, what I will call my operating system (whose kernel wasn't even developed by the GNU project) or what sort of licensing agreement unrelated software should have (I have been called evil for wanting several commercial pieces of software ported.)
The other danger is that you may end up with one camp dictating terms to the rest of the free software world. My operating system of choice, for example, is known as Linux. Note the conspicuous lack of the "GNU/" at the beginning of that name. Now, I really appreciate the efforts of the GNU project (RMS is God...er, rather, St. IGNUcius
Just my $0.02US.
IMHO we need a *company* to take charge of the Linux community. Community efforts (again, IMHO) won't reflect the needs of the *entire* community; in other words, won't represent both the hobbyist coder as well as the closed-source business solutions. RH can do that. RH has been doing that. I wish they weren't quite as agressive about pushing solutions on the rest of the Linux world, but it's helping to have them around. :^)
/*
So if you want to criticise us for shipping gcc 2.96, you have every right to do so - you'd be wrong, but it is at least a legitimate debate and
I'd respect your opinion.*/
Read, "You've got the right to express your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and mine is right."
Folks, people like Bob Young (even if he does come from a geeky background) understand things in terms of one thing: money. Money is what makes the world go 'round, in the business world. If you don't like RH's decisions (what I see as trying to steer the community in a certain direction, and that's not a bad goal) vote with something Mr. Young will understand. Don't buy boxed sets of Red Hat. Even better, don't use Red Hat. Use something else; nay, buy another boxed distro. The numbers will speak (and will probably still have RH on the top, though I could be wrong.)
As soon as I check this out with the Linux port of Internet Explorer, I'll do a big writeup using Microsoft Word for Linux.
No joke. I used to have some joker spam me from Singapore(sp) trying to sell me CD's full of warez. When I asked him to stop sending me email he mailed me back, "Fuck you, it's not illegal to spam or sell warez in my country so fuck off" or something remarkably similar to that. My solution was to write a quick little perl script that mailed him a message:
;^)
This is a polite little message asking you to please take me off your list.
This is message number [number] asking you to do so.
Thanks in advance!
where [number] is a number between 1 and 1000.
Microsoft marketing department, hard at work.
I especially liked implication that the only alternative to shipping a legal copy of Windows is for customers to steal an OS--all goes back to BillG's paranoid outlook on software, no?
That's been my experience with any sort of tech support. They *especially* don't want to hear, "hey, I got this [pos-hardware] working under Linux; any ideas on getting it to work under Windows with your official drivers?" (yeah, I know, wording the question like that is an invitation to hostile behavior.)
Totally offtopic, but I just logged out of my Netaddress account, and here's the cute message I just got:
Error Occurred While Processing Request
Error Diagnostic Information
Server busy or unable to fulfill request. The server is unable to fulfill your request due to extremely high traffic or an unexpected internal
error. Please attempt your request again (if you are repeatedly unsuccessful you should notify the site administrator). (Location Code:
25)
Please inform the site administrator that this error has occurred (be sure to include the contents of this page in your message to the
administrator).
Yay, Microsoft!
This would consist of any programming language code (henceforth referred to as "code") supported by any computational unit (henceforth referred to as a "computer") that allows a block of code to be executed n number of times and continues to loop until some sort of condition causes the loop to end.
This was inaccurate a year ago and it's even more so now.
Truths: in a server environment, speed shouldn't be the #1 factor--stability should. Security: security is only as good as you make it, adn only as good as you set it up. Would you rather set up your Linux box as best you know how, or let the techs at Microsoft do it for you?
Harder to maintain? Maybe--if you never do anything other than *use* the Windows box, and maintian your Linux box by hand. People who don't want to maintain their Linux box by hand do what the Windows kiddies do--wait for someone to do it for them (come out with update RPMs, debs, etc...that's the subject for another rant) and just grab the updates from the people who maintain their distro.
Apps? Please. I've seen a number of apps & utilities that one could do on a Linux box using standard command-line utilities. Microsoft was writing this for the folks who are afraid to learn anything.
Too bad the troll didn't really deserve them...here's where I take you to task. Now listen up; you'll learn something.
/*
Just another example of market pressure to disingtuish one distribution from another.
*/
OK, on 2nd thought, I won't. That's just dumb.
/*
Show me the GCC Steering Committee Linux, and I'll bite.
Funny that there should be more releases per
distribution than actual improvements to Linux, per se. Its basically the same Linux for almost 2 years running for all I can see.
*/
FUD! Yippee!! Red Hat Linux != Linux. Linux is a kernel; (Linux || GNU/Linux) is a Linux kernel with GNU utils (which strangely end up migrating to BSD machines; hmmmmmmm.....) and other miscellanious(sp) crap. I won't even touch the last sentence since it makes 0% sense to me. Rubber doggies eat yellow daisies.
/*
I like the way the steering committee refers to it as Gnu/Linux. If you cant even decide on what to call it, what are the chances that
you are going to agree on timely communication and a sane development model? You know, cvs and all that rot. Currently you have
LinusOS + GNU + Di$tribution du jour + a legion of cheerleaders.
I'll stick to FreeBSD.
*/
BWAHAHAHA!!!! That is so *incredibly* funny. I *know* you can't be serious now. FreeBSD (IIRC) source is updated preferably through cvsup. As far as Linux vs GNU/Linux goes, who cares other than RMS & the Stallmanites. I use both interchangably; hell, Linus doesn't even care how you *pronounce Linux.*
As far as the FreeBSD comment goes...yeah, like FreeBSD is 100% identical to other BSDs. BSD=BSD kernel + BSD utils (maybe...AFAIK lots of BSDers switch to GNU pretty quick, or so I've been told by many a BSDer) + Distribution + a legion of the cheerleaders from Nirvana's "Nevermind" video. OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, MacOS X...the list goes on and on.
Troll.
:^P
me != shut_in
:^P
I use Linux the same way I would use a Windows machine...as long as nothing goes wrong, it's pretty user-friendly, just like Windows.
/*
I think that for some applications, using a MS product is the different way to do things. I mean, there are lots of apps that have been
traditionally Unix, and you kind of have to hack around to get something equivalent to work in Windows.
*/
Yeah, and that, I think, is the point: while I've never attended one of these trade shows, I read the reports afterwards, and laugh at some company that has produced a piece of software for $100 that might be the equivalent of two command-line utilities and 5 lines of bash script. Said company makes a killing. Oh BTW, it's written for Windows.
Microsoft has a HUGE chunk of the market...there are *still* those who have *no clue* they have an alternative. I've heard people grumble before, "I'd switch if I could." Well, maybe they can now.
And no, Linux can *never* be a monopoly like Windows. You're thinking of a philosophical sense, if Linux were at the 90% mark, that would make it a monopoly. Well, yeah...but no. Linux doesn't come from one company; a lot of people make $0 from helping with Linux. We don't try to crush the competition with the same zeal as Microsoft, and don't have the collective power and collateral to simply buy the competition if they want (which they're apparently trying again; anyone want to buy Corel's product line from them before they become part of Microsoft?)
They're out now, they're $50. Yay. :^)
Beyond that, the same thing I ask for every year from those folks who don't know what to get me: money.
I probably *will* try out KBasic, at least. BASIC doesn't resemble the teaching language that Dykstra railed against way back when. Gee, he did a *much* better job of writing an elegant language. :^)
That's your opinion. In my opinion, Python sucks goat balls. I find I spend more time adding blank space between lines of codes and adding tabs in code I thought was OK. It's not intuitive at all...again, in my opinion.