Ok I've read it, and I answered NO to thier funky little poll. But was it me or was there false reporting.
In the article it said that they put WIN2K on the internet and there was no breaches, yet I seem to remember it getting hacked in to on the first day, thus starting the "CRACK Linux PPC" project that ran on for ever (internet time wise).
I could have this all wrong though. Doubt it. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
As a complete movie freak I have to say that I think Gilliam is just about the only director these days who can do Pratchet correctly. He's got just the right odd view on the world that would see all the great humor that runs deep in Pratchet's work. Although I haven't read this book, I think I'll have to pick it up.
There's not one Gilliam film that I didn't like.
I can't wait for this film. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
There's a book co-written by Kevin J. Anderson called 'Ill Wind' about a bug designed to clean up an oil spill which then goes on to eat all petrolium(sp) based products. When I read it I though it was pretty far fetched (lead on to gloom and doom and social breakdown) but reading this makes me want to re-evaluate that. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
My nomination would go to the Army and it's testing of infantry men's durability against neuclear blasts. This can be seen elegantly in the film Atomic Cafe where hundreds of men are in fox holes and trenches while a blast is set off. Most of them spent their time just trying to keep their hats on against the resulting shockwave.
I don't know if the blunder here goes to the military for doing stupid testing or to the men who were either unwilling or unable to stand up and speak out against something so obviously WRONG. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
I've never helped start an open source project before but this one seems like it could be fun and interesting.
How about this. We make a stab at trying to get something that will compute the standard U.S. 1040 (I don't have any access to other countries tax info) and a few of the sub forms, one I'm thinking of in particular is for the education credit--thinking is a majority of Linux users are either in college or helping college students through.
I doesn't need to print out fialable forms, just do the calculations.
If you are at all interested e-mail me. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Microsofts claim that breaking them up would lead to la hinderance to their "freedom to innovate" is riddled with faulty logic.
For starters I am sure we are all aware that their early flagship product MS-DOS is practically a direct hack of CP/M and from that point onward their major products have been nothing but borrowed, purchased, or stolen software. Bill might take a moment to re-read his infamouse letter from the 70's.
But, on the other hand, devisions of Micrsoft have innovated thinks, like you said, small and behind the scenes. That's one of the few advantages of throwing some good talent at a problem. As far as I can remember (and please don't flame me if I'm wrong here) but integrating the Office apps to work together was a first.
Each of the innovations that Microsft programers have made, have been made inside a particular product devlopement group. Breaking up Microsoft to mimic those developement groups would insure those true innovations continue.
People are very likely to just to the conclusion Microsoft hasn't innovated anything because they instantly think of things like The GUI O/S, or wordprocessors, or Internet Browsers. None of these items Microsoft has innovated and even they will have to admit to that.
As far a breaking up Microsft, how much good will that actually accomplish. Microsoft products have the potential of being great products. But products being driven my marketing deadlines and CEO's with egos the size of Texas only works to hinder the developement of those pieces of software.
Is the question about loosening Microsofts grip on computer users as a whole, or trying to make better products? The government will tell you it's about loosening Microsfts grip, Microsoft will tell you it's about making better products. Which is it? The two are mutually exclusive and have nothing to do with each other.
I think the real issue is making Microsoft accountable for the software it releases and improving the overall quality of the software line produced. And I think that can be accomplished by cutting and slashing divisions in to smaller, streamlined, programmer run divisons. So what if they loose some profits for a little while?
Fact: Bill Gates, since the beginning, has always kept enough money in reserve to pay all the salaries for the entire length of a zero profit year.
Microsoft is in no danger of loosing money, no matter what happens. I'm more interested in loosing the blue screens of death when I'm playing games. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
The first thing I do when I get to the office is fire up the ONE pc we have connected to the internet (don't ask). Then I PRINT out all the e-mail (including spam (don't aks)) and route it to the appropriate people. Later in the day sitting in my in box will be hand scrawled notes from everyone telling me what to reply with (including requests from spammers to be removed from their lists (don't ask)). I finally convinced my boss that we didn't need a binder of all the e-mail messages from the past year because I moved the e-mail folder to the server so it was being backed up every night. ARGGGGGGGGGGG (don't ask). ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
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Well I tried the URL and it didn't work. But I'm not surprised I'm getting to this rather late. What makes me laugh though is that in the past months they have been screwing with Hotmail so much supposedly making it more secure.
Who ever thought up that woderful scheme of routing through a secure server should be drug out in to the street and shot. Now I can't check my hotmail with lynx. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Companies such as RedHat, Microsoft, Apple, etc..., they are concerened with the end users. The coders of the open source community are concerned with their own pet project and getting it to work.
I get the feeling that the/. community likes to dump on RedHat because they were sucessful, but more importantly I think it's because they were sucessful first. Isn't the whole point of open source the ability to take it the furthest you can take it? RedHat has done that, and they have done it well. But the Linux community has something the Windows community will never have, Caldera, Debian, Slackware (personal favorite), etc.... We've got options and choices. Granted we've got no dancing paperclips but if we were so inclined a group of us could program a dancing Penguin hooked up to all the man page entries...wait that's a pretty good idea...sorry mental drift, where was I?
Oh yeah, I say quit you whining about RedHat's sucess, most of it seems to be out of frustration over them getting thier first. They are buisnessmen and that's what buisness majors do. They creat companies to create IPO's. The rest of us are computer science, philosophy (me), humanities, etc... and 10, 15, 20 years ago when you sat down to the computer and wrote your first PONG clone, was it images of an IPO that ran through your head? No, it was call the guys, call mom and dad, it was the bragging rights to the people who matter most. And that's what sepparates us from the buisnessmen.
RedHat's here, Microsoft is here, Apple's here and none of them are going any where soon. Get used to it. But instead of whining and complaining about somebody else's sucess work on your own. Keep it free, make sure that even with their sucess RedHat doesn't call the shots, we do.
I'm turning 23 in October and therefor will be loosing all of my health benefits from my dad's work. I am employed but only part time so I don't qualify for any of the plans offered through work. The closest thing I can come up with that's even in the affordable range is a Kiaser personal plan for about $80 a month.
As a poor college student, $80 (although cheap for health insurance) is still a lot of money when you concider all I shell out a month in rent and beer.
Has anyone given any though to starting our own national health insurance benefits program for those of us who are in these sorts of situations? Self employed, partly employed but no benefits, would like to do nothing but code but have to do the 9 to 5 to get the benefits. We all fit some where in to this sort of a situation.
I would like to think that the community that was able to take a small time operating system written by a college student would be able to pool it's resources and come up with somehting ingenious. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
I'm sitting here reading all of this and I feel urge to say something. I live in California and I concider it to be WAY too concervative.
I've got this hat I purchased from copyleft that I wear backwards (a rather jock thing really) that has only the word geek printed on it. I've got three ear rings, one in one ear two in the other. I'm 6'2" and only 150lb (there goes the fat bit) but I love Star Trek.
I'm not majoring in Computer Science because I can't do the math, but I can program circles around any one of the computer science majors I know. I am majoring in Philosophy because of an emphasis on logic. One good philosophy class will turn you in to an athiest because you realize that no one can have the right answer.
I play a mean guitar and I'm trying to get a band back together. And I love to drink Guiness.
Where am I going with this? I'll tell you. I call myself a geek, yeah it's an ugly word full of ugly conotations. But ask a jock if they like the lable jock and I bet you they'll tell you they don't either.
The picture I've just painted for you is my personal definition of a geek, and WOW, I happen to fit it. Now I may come across someone else who doesn't fit my description of a geek but if they call themselves a geek, then it's because their personal description of a geek fits their perception of themselves.
The label geek can be seen either as a weight or a shield. When I was in high school it was a weight. When I got to college I picked it up and started using it as a shield. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Hey guys, I think this was a good move. I know from personal expierance how tough it is to try and get something off the ground. And we were trying to make money from the beginning.
Creative differences though lead to a parting of the ways and my former partner has full control. Am I bitter? No, I wish him the best of luck and if he becomes the next evil empire I'll just snicker because I know I was there at the beginning when it was all running off a 486
Comparing you guys to Jobs and Woz maybe isn't fair. But here's hoping you guys don't go the way they did. Best of luck. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
This is most likely Bill's attempt to break in to the Linux market using the same sorts of techniques he's used in the Word Procesing, Spreadsheet, Browser, etc. markets. Write something substandard but dirt cheap and try to drive everyone else out of the market. But...I guess he's forgotten that 90% of Linux software is already free and far superior and nothing will beat Lynx as a browser. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
I don't think of/. as an addiction I can see it as more of an obsession./. has been my browser start page for close to a year now and I wonder for how many more of us that rings true too.
With so many submissions and and articles posted each day it's a wonder I get to read as many as I do. Maybe it's due to the fact that I put off work to submit. If only my boss knew. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
So if Rob was to set up a second machine to help dynamicaly create some of the many of thousands of webpages/. produces in a day would he be infringing on their patent?
I seem to remember computers doing things like this way before 1996. Maybe it was the 70's or something. Really what is the difference between serving up webpages and distributed code compiling or distributed 3d rendering (ok 3d rendering wasn't happening in the 70's but you catch my drift.)
Maybe it's time we started up a defence fund. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
You know there is nothing stopping anyone using Slackware from using package management either. You can always dowload RPM's tarball and install it. ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Oh you all are a bunch of sissies. Get down on your hands and knees with a pair of magnets and your hard drive. Compute like a man!!!!!!!!!! ---- "War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
If you are serious about learning a new operating system I would recomend doing a Slackware install to begin with. It is by far one of the more difficut ones to master. You will make mistakes during the install (god knows i did my first six times) but afterwards you will know how and why things in Linux are done.
After that you can move on to RedHat or Debian or some other more "user friendly" distributions so you can truely appreciate how easy they are trying to make it.
Linux Systems Labs is a good place to get Linux CD's if that's your thing, but if you've got ADSL you can just FTP the entire distro in about half an hour or so (i did a recent RedHat install from an FTP site).
Read some of the docs over at the Linux Documentation Project about making boot and root disks. After that, one of the options for install is "install from FTP site." Have the name of a FTP site (actually have five or six in case your first doesn't work) that has got the distro and then you are off. The install program will download a package and then install it.
I'm biased because I think Linux rocks so my opinion about the operating system probably can't be trusted. But if you actually go through with it you will not regret it.
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Actually Beauty and the Beast from Disney was nominated for best picture.
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Ok I've read it, and I answered NO to thier funky little poll. But was it me or was there false reporting.
In the article it said that they put WIN2K on the internet and there was no breaches, yet I seem to remember it getting hacked in to on the first day, thus starting the "CRACK Linux PPC" project that ran on for ever (internet time wise).
I could have this all wrong though. Doubt it.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
As a complete movie freak I have to say that I think Gilliam is just about the only director these days who can do Pratchet correctly. He's got just the right odd view on the world that would see all the great humor that runs deep in Pratchet's work. Although I haven't read this book, I think I'll have to pick it up.
There's not one Gilliam film that I didn't like.
I can't wait for this film.
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I wonder if these guys are related to LinuxOne in anyway.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
There's a book co-written by Kevin J. Anderson called 'Ill Wind' about a bug designed to clean up an oil spill which then goes on to eat all petrolium(sp) based products. When I read it I though it was pretty far fetched (lead on to gloom and doom and social breakdown) but reading this makes me want to re-evaluate that.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Yes, but would you willingly go in to that trench right now?
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
My nomination would go to the Army and it's testing of infantry men's durability against neuclear blasts. This can be seen elegantly in the film Atomic Cafe where hundreds of men are in fox holes and trenches while a blast is set off. Most of them spent their time just trying to keep their hats on against the resulting shockwave.
I don't know if the blunder here goes to the military for doing stupid testing or to the men who were either unwilling or unable to stand up and speak out against something so obviously WRONG.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
I've never helped start an open source project before but this one seems like it could be fun and interesting.
How about this. We make a stab at trying to get something that will compute the standard U.S. 1040 (I don't have any access to other countries tax info) and a few of the sub forms, one I'm thinking of in particular is for the education credit--thinking is a majority of Linux users are either in college or helping college students through.
I doesn't need to print out fialable forms, just do the calculations.
If you are at all interested e-mail me.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Just needed to bring your attention to this.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
For starters I am sure we are all aware that their early flagship product MS-DOS is practically a direct hack of CP/M and from that point onward their major products have been nothing but borrowed, purchased, or stolen software. Bill might take a moment to re-read his infamouse letter from the 70's.
But, on the other hand, devisions of Micrsoft have innovated thinks, like you said, small and behind the scenes. That's one of the few advantages of throwing some good talent at a problem. As far as I can remember (and please don't flame me if I'm wrong here) but integrating the Office apps to work together was a first.
Each of the innovations that Microsft programers have made, have been made inside a particular product devlopement group. Breaking up Microsoft to mimic those developement groups would insure those true innovations continue.
People are very likely to just to the conclusion Microsoft hasn't innovated anything because they instantly think of things like The GUI O/S, or wordprocessors, or Internet Browsers. None of these items Microsoft has innovated and even they will have to admit to that.
As far a breaking up Microsft, how much good will that actually accomplish. Microsoft products have the potential of being great products. But products being driven my marketing deadlines and CEO's with egos the size of Texas only works to hinder the developement of those pieces of software.
Is the question about loosening Microsofts grip on computer users as a whole, or trying to make better products? The government will tell you it's about loosening Microsfts grip, Microsoft will tell you it's about making better products. Which is it? The two are mutually exclusive and have nothing to do with each other.
I think the real issue is making Microsoft accountable for the software it releases and improving the overall quality of the software line produced. And I think that can be accomplished by cutting and slashing divisions in to smaller, streamlined, programmer run divisons. So what if they loose some profits for a little while?
Fact: Bill Gates, since the beginning, has always kept enough money in reserve to pay all the salaries for the entire length of a zero profit year.
Microsoft is in no danger of loosing money, no matter what happens. I'm more interested in loosing the blue screens of death when I'm playing games.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
No offence taken. My sentiments exactly.
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The first thing I do when I get to the office is fire up the ONE pc we have connected to the internet (don't ask). Then I PRINT out all the e-mail (including spam (don't aks)) and route it to the appropriate people. Later in the day sitting in my in box will be hand scrawled notes from everyone telling me what to reply with (including requests from spammers to be removed from their lists (don't ask)). I finally convinced my boss that we didn't need a binder of all the e-mail messages from the past year because I moved the e-mail folder to the server so it was being backed up every night. ARGGGGGGGGGGG (don't ask).
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Well I tried the URL and it didn't work. But I'm not surprised I'm getting to this rather late. What makes me laugh though is that in the past months they have been screwing with Hotmail so much supposedly making it more secure.
Who ever thought up that woderful scheme of routing through a secure server should be drug out in to the street and shot. Now I can't check my hotmail with lynx.
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I get the feeling that the
Oh yeah, I say quit you whining about RedHat's sucess, most of it seems to be out of frustration over them getting thier first. They are buisnessmen and that's what buisness majors do. They creat companies to create IPO's. The rest of us are computer science, philosophy (me), humanities, etc... and 10, 15, 20 years ago when you sat down to the computer and wrote your first PONG clone, was it images of an IPO that ran through your head? No, it was call the guys, call mom and dad, it was the bragging rights to the people who matter most. And that's what sepparates us from the buisnessmen.
RedHat's here, Microsoft is here, Apple's here and none of them are going any where soon. Get used to it. But instead of whining and complaining about somebody else's sucess work on your own. Keep it free, make sure that even with their sucess RedHat doesn't call the shots, we do.
Nuf said.
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As a poor college student, $80 (although cheap for health insurance) is still a lot of money when you concider all I shell out a month in rent and beer.
Has anyone given any though to starting our own national health insurance benefits program for those of us who are in these sorts of situations? Self employed, partly employed but no benefits, would like to do nothing but code but have to do the 9 to 5 to get the benefits. We all fit some where in to this sort of a situation.
I would like to think that the community that was able to take a small time operating system written by a college student would be able to pool it's resources and come up with somehting ingenious.
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Ok, I can agree with that. Just curious though where you pulled your sample data from????
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I'm sitting here reading all of this and I feel urge to say something. I live in California and I concider it to be WAY too concervative.
I've got this hat I purchased from copyleft that I wear backwards (a rather jock thing really) that has only the word geek printed on it. I've got three ear rings, one in one ear two in the other. I'm 6'2" and only 150lb (there goes the fat bit) but I love Star Trek.
I'm not majoring in Computer Science because I can't do the math, but I can program circles around any one of the computer science majors I know. I am majoring in Philosophy because of an emphasis on logic. One good philosophy class will turn you in to an athiest because you realize that no one can have the right answer.
I play a mean guitar and I'm trying to get a band back together. And I love to drink Guiness.
Where am I going with this? I'll tell you. I call myself a geek, yeah it's an ugly word full of ugly conotations. But ask a jock if they like the lable jock and I bet you they'll tell you they don't either.
The picture I've just painted for you is my personal definition of a geek, and WOW, I happen to fit it. Now I may come across someone else who doesn't fit my description of a geek but if they call themselves a geek, then it's because their personal description of a geek fits their perception of themselves.
The label geek can be seen either as a weight or a shield. When I was in high school it was a weight. When I got to college I picked it up and started using it as a shield.
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i just need to say thank you
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Hey guys, I think this was a good move. I know from personal expierance how tough it is to try and get something off the ground. And we were trying to make money from the beginning.
Creative differences though lead to a parting of the ways and my former partner has full control. Am I bitter? No, I wish him the best of luck and if he becomes the next evil empire I'll just snicker because I know I was there at the beginning when it was all running off a 486
Comparing you guys to Jobs and Woz maybe isn't fair. But here's hoping you guys don't go the way they did. Best of luck.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
This is most likely Bill's attempt to break in to the Linux market using the same sorts of techniques he's used in the Word Procesing, Spreadsheet, Browser, etc. markets. Write something substandard but dirt cheap and try to drive everyone else out of the market. But...I guess he's forgotten that 90% of Linux software is already free and far superior and nothing will beat Lynx as a browser.
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I don't think of /. as an addiction I can see it as more of an obsession. /. has been my browser start page for close to a year now and I wonder for how many more of us that rings true too.
With so many submissions and and articles posted each day it's a wonder I get to read as many as I do. Maybe it's due to the fact that I put off work to submit. If only my boss knew.
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So if Rob was to set up a second machine to help dynamicaly create some of the many of thousands of webpages /. produces in a day would he be infringing on their patent?
I seem to remember computers doing things like this way before 1996. Maybe it was the 70's or something. Really what is the difference between serving up webpages and distributed code compiling or distributed 3d rendering (ok 3d rendering wasn't happening in the 70's but you catch my drift.)
Maybe it's time we started up a defence fund.
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You know there is nothing stopping anyone using Slackware from using package management either. You can always dowload RPM's tarball and install it.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Oh you all are a bunch of sissies. Get down on your hands and knees with a pair of magnets and your hard drive. Compute like a man!!!!!!!!!!
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
If you are serious about learning a new operating system I would recomend doing a Slackware install to begin with. It is by far one of the more difficut ones to master. You will make mistakes during the install (god knows i did my first six times) but afterwards you will know how and why things in Linux are done.
After that you can move on to RedHat or Debian or some other more "user friendly" distributions so you can truely appreciate how easy they are trying to make it.
Linux Systems Labs is a good place to get Linux CD's if that's your thing, but if you've got ADSL you can just FTP the entire distro in about half an hour or so (i did a recent RedHat install from an FTP site).
Read some of the docs over at the Linux Documentation Project about making boot and root disks. After that, one of the options for install is "install from FTP site." Have the name of a FTP site (actually have five or six in case your first doesn't work) that has got the distro and then you are off. The install program will download a package and then install it.
I'm biased because I think Linux rocks so my opinion about the operating system probably can't be trusted. But if you actually go through with it you will not regret it.
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