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Pratchett's 'Good Omens' On The Big Screen

martial writes "The book 'Good Omens' is in the process to be adapted for the big screen. The book was reviewed on Slashdot before. The book was written by Terry Pratchett (Discworld) and Neil Gaiman and speaks about the apocalypse in a pretty funny way. For the movie version, little is known other than Terry Gilliam (Monty Python member and director of 12 Monkeys and Brazil) is going to be the director. The information about the movie is available at the Internet Movie Database." Until this goes into something other than pre-production, it is a rumor and should be treated as such.

131 comments

  1. Re:First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'll take that as a yes :)
    [is it nessecary to moderate down stuff if it's in reply to something that's already at -1?]

  2. gotta love the phython by Sublimed · · Score: 1

    well i don't really know much about this movie, but ANYTHING done by anybody related to monty python HAS to be good. I mean... just think about the holy grail. =)

    1. Re:gotta love the phython by casret · · Score: 1

      yeah, but also think about 'fierce creatures.'

    2. Re:gotta love the phython by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus the fact that Pratchett is the poor mans Douglas Adams...and his hitchhikers is going to hit the big screen sometimes soon....pity Gilliam isnt doing that...

    3. Re:gotta love the phython by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pratchett writes more and sells more than Adams, and still manages to be funny after all these years.
      Adams, meanwhile, is far too busy being some half-arsed techno-guru and disappearing up his own rectum these days, and hasn't written anything funny since he ran out of radio series and old Dr. Who scripts to adapt...
      (Life, The Universe and Everything was adapted from the unused script for "Dr. Who And The Krikkitmen", and Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency was adapted from the unfinished Dr. Who story "Shada")
      As for the guide movie, the chances of this actually being made are becoming more and more remote. Adams was supposed to be doing the screenplay, but with his legendary tardiness has ended up employing a screenwriter, and the director Jay Roach has gone to another project as he was tired of waiting... The film was originally meant to be out summer 2000 - but as they've not even finished the script yet, let alone begun casting, it's extremely unlikely to be out by summer 2001. I wouldn't even bet on it by summer 2002! At some point, the studio is bound to get tired of waiting, decide something is hipper than comedy sf and drop the project quietly. (They only bought the rights because Men In Black had been a hit and they wanted the comedy SF bandwagon!)
      Gillian is the best bet ever for a movie of Good Omens (which was Neil Gaiman's idea originally) and hopefully is anglicised enough not to ruin it. Remember how he fought the studio when they wanted a happy ending for Brazil?
      If anyone can, he can. I want to see the M25 in flames!!!

  3. Terry Gilliam Rules by snickers · · Score: 2

    All the movies that Terry has done so far have a very distinctive feel to them. (Even if they flopped). I remember being blown away by Brazil when I first saw it. The closer the future comes the more I think it will end up like Brazil.

    Not to mention that I saw Fear and Loathing about 4 or 5 times.

    1. Re:Terry Gilliam Rules by Listerine · · Score: 1

      What is Brazil and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas about?

      And can they compare to one of the best movies ever Time Bandits, also directed by Terry Gilliam?

    2. Re:Terry Gilliam Rules by Bazz · · Score: 1

      The only Gillam film that is not really up to par is his first ("Jabberwocky"). All the rest of them are truly visionary.

      (Although the Fisher King was a bit wobbly, there are some still some amazing sequences in it..)

  4. Gilliam & Pratchet by codejnki · · Score: 1

    As a complete movie freak I have to say that I think Gilliam is just about the only director these days who can do Pratchet correctly. He's got just the right odd view on the world that would see all the great humor that runs deep in Pratchet's work. Although I haven't read this book, I think I'll have to pick it up.

    There's not one Gilliam film that I didn't like.

    I can't wait for this film.
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    1. Re:Gilliam & Pratchet by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 3
      I agree comptelely. I can only describe the feel of Gilliam's films as chaotic. They always feel as if the world is not quite stable and that the walls can come crashing in at any time - as they often do! There is no other director who can do justice to Pratchett.

      Good Omens is well worth reading. Normally I can't stand Gaiman's work, but under Pratchett's influence he's quite readable.

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    2. Re:Gilliam & Pratchet by Bearpaw · · Score: 2
      As a complete movie freak I have to say that I think Gilliam is just about the only director these days who can do Pratchet correctly.

      Yes, yes, yes -- I can't picture anyone else doing this right. Nobody else has his twisted grasp of surrealism.

      On a side note: Does anyone really think "Good Omens" would've gotten to this stage if "Dogma" hadn't been successful? I don't. This is classic Hollywood follow-the-leader. (Not that I mind, in this case.)

    3. Re:Gilliam & Pratchet by Jon-o · · Score: 2

      Just out of curiosity, why does everyone say this is Pratchett's book? Gaiman wrote it too! In fact, I even found Gaiman's style to be the dominant one here. Though perhaps that's simply because he's the author that i prefer, of the two.

      In any case, few will disagree that the two VERY different styles of writing - the silly Pratchett and the dark Gaiman - mesh incredibly well. It actually managed to be a scary comedy.

      Just wanted to clarify that this ISN'T just another Discworld novel, but much more.

  5. Ahhhh.... I hope its worth the wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Great Book. Great Director. Let's hope its a great movie.

    I just got back from the great white north where you can actually find almost all of Terry's books in print (although Corgi's books covers suck compared to Harpers'). I gorged on a whole bunch of old ones and Carpe Jugulum and The Last Continent which haven't made it to paperback here in the US yet (at least the last time I checked)

    Screw Star Wars:TPM. This movie I'd stand in line for! FatRatBastard

    1. Re:Ahhhh.... I hope its worth the wait by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2
      I've gotten into the habit lately of buying all of Pratchett's books from Amazon UK. They're happy to ship to the US and have great customer service. I'd gotten tired of waiting a year or so for his books to be published on this side of the Atlantic.

      Or can't you tell I'm a Pratchett fan?

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    2. Re:Ahhhh.... I hope its worth the wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Corgi's books covers suck compared to Harpers'

      Noooooooo!

      The Josh Kirby covers are excellent. Accept no imitations. And check out the illustrated version of 'Eric'.

  6. An amazing book by Outlyer · · Score: 4

    Good Omens is a just plain brilliant book. And you can't tell me that Kevin Smith didn't read a little of it when he wrote the script for his excellent Dogma (they both deal with similar 'heavy' religious subject matter, in a light-hearted manner) The book itself is nothing like Sandman, if that's what you're used to from Gaimen, it reads more like Douglas Adams, with the peculiar sort of humour that seems so silly, but so damn funny. If you haven't read it yet, you're missing out. That said, I think the director (even Terry Gilliam) has his work cut out for him.

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    1. Re:An amazing book by Enoch+Root · · Score: 1
      Actually, I don't mean to bash Kevin Smith, but his Dogma was much inferior to Good Omens, and I think it would have done him good to read Good Omens beforehand.

      I get the impression someone decided to give Good Omens the go because they saw Dogma doing well, and knew Good Omens was far superior. Dogma relied a lot on puerile jokes (the eternal 'when in doubt, fart' approach to humour), and had a very sketchy idea of mythical references and character development. On the other hand, Good Omens feels like a mature, very British and very funny approach to something Dogma only suspects exists. If this project is put in the hands of Terry Gilliam, hell... Let him at it! This is gonna be a beauty.

      On a side-note: there is a very good reason why Good Omens doesn't feel much like Sandman at all. It's very much Terry Pratchett's book. Terry said he wrote a bit more than two thirds of the book, and edited the master document. They wrote bits of it, and Terry edited them for style and content. As such, if you ever read a Discworld novel, you'll notice how much of Good Omens is recogniseable as Pratchett, up to and including DEATH, WHO SPEAKS LIKE THIS.

      If you never read a Discworld novel, then in the name of comedy, run and buy one. I heartily recommend Guards! Guards! or Witches Abroad as a primer. I actually felt Good Omens was inferior to most Discworld novels. There is something more consistent and insidious about the Discworld humour that's kinda messed up (but still hilarious) in Good Omens.

    2. Re:An amazing book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nop. Can't be. Good Omens is funny.

  7. Hoo, that's a tall order by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    They're going to have to do an amazing job at it if they're going to avoid the standard criticism that the movie wasn't as good as the book.

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    1. Re:Hoo, that's a tall order by Listerine · · Score: 1

      Thats a standard complaint just because most people don't realize that your not going to be able to fit much more than a short story into a movie without removing parts, and the parts that are removed people suddenly cling to as the good parts. However, some movies cannot do what the book did, as in Sphere. I like the movie for the sole reason that I like the book. Most people did not like the movie because it was long with little development, but nowhere near as long as the book. Oh well.

    2. Re:Hoo, that's a tall order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um. For the movie not to suck my arse in as vigorous and prolonged a fashion as the book did, I guess it would have to be at least marginally better than Solarbabies or Ishtar. I mean, really.

      Good Omens was one of the saddest things I've ever read. The impression it gave off was primarily 'LOOK AT ME, EVERYBODY!!!! I'M TRYING REALLY REALLY HARD TO BE FUNNY! LOOK AT THIS LAMPSHADE ON MY HEAD! WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA!!!' Somehow it just came off as trying about 10^72 times as hard as an actually funny book would have needed to (or whatever the number of elementary particles in the observable universe is these days). Bleah. Interesting to see what Gilliam will do with it though.

  8. I saw Mort by andrewmuck · · Score: 1
    As a play and it was excellent. Definately would want to see the movie. Bonus haveing a good director.
    I just can't see where he would fit a frensel lense in this time?

    I recently finished reading 'The Fifth Elephant', is there a next one comming out?

    cya, Andrew...

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  9. big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what...another cool book gets mangled to fit the big screen...in other words, the author sold out (can't blame him, I'd do the same thing) and his book gets to get inaccurified by Hollywood (or a facsimilie thereof) and a horrible scarecrow-like simulcraum thereof is created. Argh.

    1. Re:big deal by Listerine · · Score: 1

      Hey, no matter what way you cut it more people see movies than read books. So when an author gets his/her book movie-ized, its like a fast-track to success. To refuse to do that would keep you books only popular in the niche market that reads them. But something like this, most people who see the movie probably wont be aware that there is a book behind it.

    2. Re:big deal by toriver · · Score: 1

      People who have that little knowledge about either of Terry Pratchett, Neil Gaiman or Terry Gilliam usually keep their ognorance to themselves instead of posting it for all to see.

    3. Re:big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't understand. this is pratchett and gilliam we're talking about. the movie might suck but you can't talk about this as if it's any book being made into a movie. it's gilliam for godssake, not spielberg! alissss@yahoo.com

    4. Re:big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As to the selling out thing. Neil and Terry (Prachett) have had people wanting to make the film since the book was released. They seemed to come to some agreement that only Terry Gilliam could do it correctly. As Neil once said,
      We'd let him do it for the taxi fare home, and if he argued we'd wouldn't have worried about that either

      Neil Gaiman Hongcon '92, 1992.

      So it's not really a case of selling out.

    5. Re:big deal by hikari · · Score: 1

      Nope. Terry is so conscious about executives meddling with his books that the offer to film 'Mort' was resolutely dropped when the brightest mind said 'Hey, that Death character is a bit gloomy, shall we drop it?' OTOH, 'Wyrd Sisters' and 'Soul Music' have been animated and shown on the BBC. They're very nice.

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  10. A few questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Anyone know who's writing the screenplay? Hopefully Pratchett & Gaiman.

    I hope they don't Americanify it (i.e. have it take place here in the States as opposed to England) or leave out Death (I remember reading somewhere that some studio executives didn't like having the Grim Reaper in a comedy, but that could just have been idle talk).

    For characters, I always thought David Jason (Del Boy from "Only Fools and Horses") would make a great Crowley, but he's probably too old now.

    ANC

    1. Re:A few questions... by Listerine · · Score: 1

      Bill and Ted's excellent adventure?
      Monty Python and The Meaning of Life?
      Even Ernest goes to Jail had a shadow of the reaper on the wall just before he was going to get killed. If they do cut it out, it would most likely be to condense the book into a movie, not because they don't like to meet the reaper.

    2. Re:A few questions... by Frugal · · Score: 2
      I hope they don't Americanify it (i.e. have it take place here in the States as opposed to England) or leave out Death (I remember reading somewhere that some studio executives didn't like having the Grim Reaper in a comedy, but that could just have been idle talk).

      That was Mort. A Merkin film company wanted to make a movies of the book. (As I am sure you all know the book was about Death and his apprentice). The film company wanted to "loose the Death angle". Needless to say they did not get pemission.

      Several people have tried to get permission to do films in the past and Terry has turned them all down (until now). He too is worried about "Americanification". The only films have be cartoon versions of Soul Music and Wyrd Sisters by Cosgrove Hall.

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    3. Re:A few questions... by WoDDemandred · · Score: 1
      Gilliam and Tony Grisoni(Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas) will write the screenplay. Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett tried to write a screenplay for the movie once but they got burnt when the production started changing it. As Neil Gaiman put it:
      "Terry Pratchett and I have elected not to get involved--we both got our fingers burned some years ago trying to write a Good Omens movie for Sovereign Pictures, for producers who bought Good Omens and then immediately began trying to turn it into something else. We decided that this time around we would give the book to people who seemed to understand it and let them make the film."
    4. Re:A few questions... by deefer · · Score: 1
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think "merkin" means "woman's pubic wig" in olde English...
      Quite apt, really... :)

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    5. Re:A few questions... by Frugal · · Score: 1
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think "merkin" means "woman's pubic wig" in olde English...
      Quite apt, really... :)

      This dates back to alt.fan.pratchett from a while ago (counts on fingers...) oh dear about 8 years ago, well before the Eternal September. Americans were often refered to as Merkins. Someone kindly pointed out what it really means, we all said "yes, we know" and carried on using it ;O) I put in in instinctivly as I was discussing Americans and Prathcett at the same time...

      Frugal

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    6. Re:A few questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think 'merkin' is also a rather unpleseant
      (afair female) demo, though its sometime since
      i've dabbled with mythology

    7. Re:A few questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, if that's how you feel, then I will continue to refer to all residents of the islands of Britian and Ireland as "English".

  11. David Jason? by YuppieScum · · Score: 2

    Maybe as the Witchfinder...

    I was thinking more Ralph Fiennes (Avengers) for Crowley...

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    1. Re:David Jason? by TuRRIcaNEd · · Score: 1

      Would that make Nicholas Lyndhurst Newton Pulsifier?

      I can see it now..... "Newton, you PLONKER!"

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    2. Re:David Jason? by Random+Hamster · · Score: 1

      I thought of Nicholas Lyndhurst for Newton without thinking of David Jason for the other one.

      On the other hand Nicholas Lyndhurst is getting on a bit these days, as he was in Butterflies maybe. Maybe they can digitally process him to make him younger.

  12. Tough one... by Nimmy · · Score: 5

    I have to admit, I usually dislike movies based on my favorite books. And _Good Omens_ is one of my most favorite books. It is just about the funniest book I have ever read. Just ahead of The _Hitchhiker's Guide_ 'Trilogy'.

    But Good Omens will be even harder to put into a movie than other favorites like _Ender's Game_. Why? Well, one of the best things about _Good Omens_ is the language. Full of nuance and wit, the narration tells more than the dialog or actions.

    On the other hand, Gilliam is an excellent director and knows his way around wit. Still, I'm not sure if he is quite suited to the part. Omens is very understated in many ways (I think the best humor is understated humor), whereas Gilliam tends to go for overstatement. Certainly in his older work, and to some degree in his more modern works. (If you don't think so, watch Brazil again, talk about overstated)

    Nevertheless, no matter how much of a let down the movie is or isn't it will make me remember the book, and that can't be a bad thing. I will certainly see the movie when (and if) it ever comes out.

    For anyone who as not read _Good Omens_, DO IT NOW! It is easily the funniest book I have ever read, and ranks up there in the 10 best books I have read (and I have read quite a lot, never had a TV past 5th grade, so...). Do not wait for the movie, you will lose out if you see the movie first, no matter how good it is.

    Damnit, I just realized I lent out my copy of Good Omens and never got it back. Now I want to read it again (for about the 5th time).

    --Nick

    1. Re:Tough one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was wondering pretty much the same thing myself - much of terry prachetts humour is subtle word plays and puns, and many of these are contained in the describtion of events and surroundings, rather than in the dialog..

      (just about to start reading the fifth elephant.. i hope it's as good as all the others have been)

      (although the first three books, possibly the forth, but certainly not the fifth, of hitchikers guide still rank as my all time favourite books :)

    2. Re:Tough one... by Frugal · · Score: 1
      But Good Omens will be even harder to put into a movie than other favorites like _Ender's Game_. Why? Well, one of the best things about _Good Omens_ is the language. Full of nuance and wit, the narration tells more than the dialog or actions.

      However it is the easiest of Terry's books to turn into a film as it is set on Earth, in surroundings that all of the audience can understand.

      Can you imagine the problems of trying to do a 'live' Discworld film. Trying to get people who have never read one of the books to understand the concept of a planet on the back of four elephants on the back of a giant turtle...

      Good omens also has the advantage that it is a stand-alone book and does not require the reader to have read any other books in the series. Most of the Discworld books have characters who were introduced several books earlier and if you do not know about them it can be a little disorientating.

      Personally I think that Good Omens is the best book to do as a live action and I hope that it goes well...

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    3. Re:Tough one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh. yah, i know about lending out copies and not getting them back. i've lent out prolly 3 or 4 copies. i mentioned this phenomenom to neil the time i met him (the opening of his play, signal to noise, in chicago), and he told me it happens all the time. i also asked his favorite breakfast cereal, and he said no cereal, porridge. and introduced the word 'spurkle'(sp?) to me. meaning, to stir vigourously after adding the oats to the boiling water.

    4. Re:Tough one... by raskolnik · · Score: 1

      It will be very hard to get even half of the jokes in the book into the movie. Unless, or course, they use a narrative thingy, a la the HHGTTG "movie" the BBC made. How do you say "There was a loud popping sound just like that of a vaccum closing around a dog's ear which had been suddenly turned inside out" without actually saying that? (Quote is very paraphrased, i haven't read the book in a while) Anyway, if they can pull is off, it'll be great. If it gets past pre-production :P
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    5. Re:Tough one... by mjprobst · · Score: 1
      Actually, I think Gilliam tends for overstatement on the surface, with very subtle sub-points underneath, using Brazil as the example. I'm sure for lots of the geek crowd the various warnings about the nature of information and consciousness are obviously tied in with the over-the-top nature of the movie, but I think the greater proportion of the population never sees this.

      Brazil is such a deeply frightening movie for anyone who has worked with information technology. I think it should be required viewing/discussion for anyone studying computer science or information systems in school, or for anyone entering the corporate culture for the first time.

      So I think he has a chance to pull it off.

    6. Re:Tough one... by Royster · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the problems of trying to do a 'live' Discworld film. Trying to get people who have never read one of the books to understand the concept of a planet on the back of four elephants on the back of a giant turtle...

      It sounds like it would make an excellent title sequence -- problem solved. Begin in the eye of the turtle pan out to the head and then up to the shell and the foot of one of the elephants. Pan across the four elephants and up to the disk with the water running off the edge and some stars passing in the background. Zoom down into the disk. There's a lot of CGI there, but it's a concept that can be explained visually and that is where movies excel.

      Movies are a different medium than books, so you can't expect a movie to be much like a book unless the book relies on some of the things that movies do well. There are several good visual aspects to Good Omens that would translate well into film -- the "four horsemen", the action. The characters are fairly straightforward to develop. It has a lot of potential. Gillian did 12 Monkeys, so he's capable of doing some very subtle work. I'd say the chances for the movie not being an embarassment are pretty good.

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    7. Re:Tough one... by Nimmy · · Score: 2

      I completly agree. Gilliam's works can have increadbly good and subtle underpinnings. Brazil is an excellent movie, and I did not mean to imply otherwise. Nevertheless, on the surface it is very overstated. Good Omens on the otherhand is understated on the surface, and still has subtleties below. Like the small town the Anti-christ growns up in. See a picture, it looks normal, hear Pratchett and Gaiman describe it, its hilarious. Understatement to the extreme.

      --Nick

    8. Re:Tough one... by SJS · · Score: 1


      Damnit, I just realized I lent out my copy of Good Omens and never got it back. Now I want to read it again (for about the 5th time).


      You only have one copy? For shame.

      _Good Omens_ is quite good enough to make sure you have multiple copies. At least one or two should be paperbacks -- for loaning.

      Hm. Pratchett and Gaimen are both the kind of authors that make me feel like a pusher. I loan friends and acquaintences a copy, and sometimes I get them hooked.

      "Here, the first one's free."

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    9. Re:Tough one... by Paul+Johnson · · Score: 2
      It sounds like it would make an excellent title sequence -- problem solved. Begin in the eye of the turtle...

      In fact this has been done. Some of the DW books (Wyrd Systers & Soul Music, IIRC) have been done as animations and shown on UK TV. The opening titles are much as you suggest, although I think that they may have followed the intro to one of the early books (Equal Rites?) which contained just such a script. And yes, they used CGI.

      Paul.

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  13. The Book... by The+Iconoclast · · Score: 2

    Funny as HELL!! And Hell is quite funny in Good Omens. :-) Imagine the "tortured" characters of Gaimen along with the insane crazy antics of Pratchet, a very odd and hilarious combination. If this is true, and I hope it is, this movie will kick SO MUCH ASS. I absolutely LOVE Time Bandits and Baron Munchausen. I also love 12 Monkeys, which is a horribly sad and depressing movie, but lovingly and wonderfully beautiful. I saw it at a film house followed by Fear and Loathing which got kind of annoying after a while, but the first 30 minutes of a Jonny Depp tripped-out drug binge are an excellent chaser to 12 Monkeys.

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    1. Re:The Book... by bla · · Score: 1

      oh. my. god. someone else who has seen Baron Munchausen. i was convinced i was the only person who had ever heard of the film. it has to be one of my all-time favorites. i think i've memorized most of the script.

      anyway. sorry about the slightly OT rant there, i was just so shocked to read that.

      as so many other people have said, Good Omens was a hilarious book. also one of the best books i've ever read. i was actually surprised i liked it so much since i much prefer Gaiman to Pratchett. maybe because of Gaiman's influence; i don't know. and i love every single Gilliam film i've ever seen. i can't wait to see how the movie turns out. i'm just afraid there will be a huge amount of pressure to dumb down the book or make it a Dogma ripoff.

      interesting postscript: my religiously conservative parents loved Good Omens and went to see Dogma because they thought it was based on the book. they were not impressed. which is odd, because my mother had seen Clerks, and so knew what a Kevin Smith film was like (i.e. quite a different brand of humor from Good Omens).

  14. faithful by lovebyte · · Score: 1
    Let's hope they'll stay faithful to the book. A few years ago, AFAIR, terry pratchett was saying in one of his newsgroups that they had tried to make a film out of one of his discworld novels. Unfortunately the Hollywood producers wanted to change too much of it and at the end it looked like something happening in a small suburban part of the USofA. The producers did not even want the four horsemen of the apocalypse! So they never did it.

    From what I remember of Good Omens (I have to read it again) it is (like all terryP books) full of references to some other events, like the Boston tea party for instance. The big risk here is that they will try to dumb it down to make these references less obscure.

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  15. us/uk implentaion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is a big worry that this film will be americanised, and i am not sure that those stateside will understand pratchetts humour in the same way as the brits.

    would americans (or merkins) understand why creating manchester and the M25 is inherently evil?

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    1. Re:us/uk implentaion by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2

      As a resident of the SF Bay Area, I can assure you that on first viewing most Merkins will understand completely the evil inherent in the M25.

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    2. Re:us/uk implentaion by chaosgrrl · · Score: 1

      Those of us who live in the USA who grew up watching British shows on PBS will most certainly get the humour.

      Those who don't, will laugh anyway out of a fear of others thinking that they aren't cultured enough to get the joke.

      While there are a lot of colloquialisms in much of Pratchett's work, I've enjoyed every single Discworld novel I've read.

      I only fear that what was done to Red Dwarf and Doctor Who by Hollywood will happen to Good Omens. That would be more of a shame that some people not getting a few jokes.

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  16. Some actual information.. by Andrev · · Score: 5
    This story looked much like a rumour to me, so I searched the net a little to find where it came from..

    Found this on Discworld Monthly

    Neil Gaiman confirmed that Terry Gilliam (Brazil, Time Bandits) will write and direct the feature film version of Good Omens, the novel Gaiman co-authored with Terry Pratchett. Gaiman told SCI FI Wire that Gilliam will write the screenplay with Tony Grisoni, who worked with Gilliam on Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Peter Samuelson, Marc Samuelson (Arlington Road) and Chuck Roven will produce the film, and talks are ongoing with several studios to develop the project.

    Gaiman said he plans to keep his distance from the film. "Terry Pratchett and I have elected not to get involved--we both got our fingers burned some years ago trying to write a Good Omens movie for Sovereign Pictures, for producers who bought Good Omens and then immediately began trying to turn it into something else. We decided that this time around we would give the book to people who seemed to understand it and let them make the film."

    Gaiman also had high praise for Gilliam and the Samuelsons. "We turned down a lot of producers before the Samuelsons came along, and they impressed us by understanding what the book was about (and not just understanding what happened in it and the meaning of several of the longer words)," Gaiman said. "I think Terry Gilliam is the perfect director for Good Omens in every way, and I've been an enormous fan of his since Jabberwocky."

    Gaiman added that he is "really looking forward to going and eating popcorn at the premiere. Or those little raisin things with chocolatey stuff on them."

    Good Omens: or, The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch, is a tongue-in-cheek telling of the Apocalypse from the viewpoint of an angel and a devil who realize their best interests lie in working together to postpone the Day of Reckoning.

    I guess that makes the whole thing a bit less of a rumour :)

    1. Re:Some actual information.. by abaddon3 · · Score: 1

      Talking of the Samuelsons; Mark Samuelson also has the rights to Christopher Fowlers "Roofworld". It is currntly undergoing script rewrites but looks as though it may go into production within the next year....

  17. for your information by eemeli · · Score: 0
    I hereby shamefully quote the 32nd issue of the Discworld Monthly, and provide a few nuggets of truth to kick around with, since then the arguments get far more interesting. Personally, I can't wait for the movie to come out.

    Neil Gaiman confirmed that Terry Gilliam (Brazil, Time Bandits) will write and direct the feature film version of Good Omens, the novel Gaiman co-authored with Terry Pratchett. Gaiman told SCI FI Wire that Gilliam will write the screenplay with Tony Grisoni, who worked with Gilliam on Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Peter Samuelson, Marc Samuelson (Arlington Road) and Chuck Roven will produce the film, and talks are ongoing with several studios to develop the project.

    Gaiman said he plans to keep his distance from the film. "Terry Pratchett and I have elected not to get involved--we both got our fingers burned some years ago trying to write a Good Omens movie for Sovereign Pictures, for producers who bought Good Omens and then immediately began trying to turn it into something else. We decided that this time around we would give the book to people who seemed to understand it and let them make the film."

    Gaiman also had high praise for Gilliam and the Samuelsons. "We turned down a lot of producers before the Samuelsons came along, and they impressed us by understanding what the book was about (and not just understanding what happened in it and the meaning of several of the longer words)," Gaiman said. "I think Terry Gilliam is the perfect director for Good Omens in every way, and I've been an enormous fan of his since Jabberwocky."

    Gaiman added that he is "really looking forward to going and eating popcorn at the premiere. Or those little raisin things with chocolatey stuff on them."

    Good Omens: or, The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch, is a tongue-in-cheek telling of the Apocalypse from the viewpoint of an angel and a devil who realize their best interests lie in working together to postpone the Day of Reckoning.

  18. About Death and Hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The incident mentioned was early on in Pratchetts career, i.e. before Bill and Ted Bogus Journey. They were writting MORT for the big screen, they sent the script off. The producer/director then wrote back with the comment

    'Great movie, can you just get rid of the Death angle'

    If you ever read the book you would understand. For this reason Pratchett has promised never to let any hollywood director screw up his work so if the movie does go ahead it should be very good.

    (check out www.lspace.org for Pratchett info)

    1. Re:About Death and Hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh yes, Miss Mitchell, Gone With The Wind is a great novel, and we'd love to bring it to the screen, but can we cut out all of that distressing Civil War stuff? Oh, and we'd need to set it in Ontario to reduce the production costs."

      Makes me wonder if the soon-to-be-ex-producer/director of Mort even bothered to read the screenplay.

      Actually, the biggest drawback to doing Mort on screen -- or any of Pratchett's Discworld novels, since Death figures into all of them somewhere (he's just more of a central character in Mort than most) -- would be doing Death's voice. It's described as being like (and I'm paraphrasing here because I can't remember the exact quote) massive slabs of lead rubbing together, and it's always written out in a small caps font in which the "lower case" letters are still capitals, but the size of miniscules. I'm not sure how you'd do it. Maybe something like what you would get if you ran James Earl Jones through whatever they used to do Kosh's voice on Babylon-5 and slowed it down by about a quarter.

  19. a bad rant by kuiken · · Score: 1

    this is one of the few prathett books i havent
    read ... Must Read before movie ... i cant belief i am saying this.

    If the movie is going to be half as good as the diskworld cartoons (they are great)i am going to love it.

    And when is the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
    Motion picture comming. And where can i get a "42 Towel"

    "THERE ARE BETTER THINGS IN THE WORLD THAN ALCOHOL, ALBERT"-Death

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    1. Re:a bad rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitch-Hiker's Guide Movie? I'll believe it when I see it in a cinema...
      You can't get a towel with "42" printed on it, but you can get a towel with DON'T PANIC printed on it from ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha, the OFFICIAL Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy Appreciation Society. They have been running for almost 20 years now and for a small amount you get four magazines a year plus access to a wide range of merchandise, including T-Shirts, Beeblebears (teddybears with two heads and three arms which are hand-crafted for us) and the aforementioned towels...
      Can't remember the URL - just do a search for ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha.

    2. Re:a bad rant by TuRRIcaNEd · · Score: 1

      >If the movie is going to be half as good as the diskworld cartoons (they are great)

      Wyrd Sisters was a bit of a bad choice in my opinion, because the book is so reliant on dialogue. A lot of DW purists hated it though, because it tried to replace the dialogue with action. Soul Music fared a lot better though, simply because there were more set pieces. The animation got better around episode 4, too (about when the money for Wyrd Sisters came in, prolly :) )

      I'd just like to see Cosgrove-Hall attempt Guards! Guards! sometime soon......

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  20. Shameless plug for the Discworld Convention by Frugal · · Score: 1

    I know that this is a little off topic but it is Pratchett related.

    July this year sees the start of "MillenniCon Hand & Shrimp" - the 3rd Discworld Convention. This year it is being held at the Raddison Edwardian Hotel near Heathrow England. From 29th - 31st July there will be much merriment and drinking ;O)

    Confirmed Guests included

    • Terry Pratchett
    • Josh Kirby
    • Paul Kidby
    • Stephen Briggs
    • Bernard Pearson
    • Graham Higgins
    • Colin Smythe
    • Tina Hannan

    If you are interested have a look at the web site www.lspace.org/fandom/cons/dwcon2k or email memberships@dwcon.lspace.org

    We now return you to your abnormal service...

    Frugal - Memberships/Chair of Vice DWCon2k

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  21. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by codemonkey_uk · · Score: 1
    What is Brazil and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas about?

    Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is based on the (autobiographical) book by gonzo journalist Hunter S Tompson. It tells the story of "Dr Duke" and his attorny who go to Vegas to cover a desert race, and then a police convention, with tonnes of drugs. The film a very good, my only critisism is off the portral of the traffic cop who stops Duke.

    Incedentally, in the book (and the film) one of the drugs that they take is "adrenochrome", which is supposedly extracted from the addrenalin gland of a live human patent. Does any one know if such a drug, or anything like it, exists?

    Thad
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    1. Re:Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by nhowie · · Score: 1

      No, it's purely fictional (according to Gilliam himself on 'The Big Breakfast'). Brilliant film, can't wait for Good Omens (brilliant book too, much darker than Pratchet's usual stuff).
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  22. Post 2000 by Mart · · Score: 1

    The book ... speaks about the apocalypse in a pretty funny way.

    So just before the year 2000 we get portentious movies about the end of the world like "Deep Impact", "Armageddon" and "End of Days". After year 2000 we get funny movies about the apocalypse. Strange.

    1. Re:Post 2000 by nhowie · · Score: 1

      After year 2000 we get funny movies about the apocalypse. Strange. It's probably post-modern ;)

      Speaking of Armageddon, I really want to see some of Robert Rankin's stuff filmed, always thought he was funnier than Pratchett (insert flamewar here:) - although I love reading them both.
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    2. Re:Post 2000 by Detritus · · Score: 2

      Thank you for mentioning Robert Rankin. Terry Pratchett is one of my favorite authors and from reading the reviews of his books, I think I will like Rankin too. As with Pratchett, Rankin's books are available at http://www.amazon.co.uk.

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  23. I agree by lohen · · Score: 1

    This is my favourite work of anything I've read from the pens of either Pratchett or Gaiman (though perhaps 5 years on I might think differently if I were to dip into it again). The film would also have much more potential than Dogma, which was a bit of a disappointment.

    Still, I find it hard to see how the film could match the gloriously irreverant 'Life of Brian' which I predict will rule the roost in comedies on religion for decades to come.

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  24. fast-track to success? by BlaisePascal · · Score: 3

    Terry Pratchett is a perennial best-seller in the United Kingdom and spends much of his time travelling the world doing book signings and other engagements. He has had at least two of his books adapted for the small screen (in animated form), and several of his books adapted for the stage. He has been awarded an OBE (Order of the British Empire) because of his writing. He already is a success.

    Neil Gaiman isn't as successful as Pratchett, but he is well-known and well-regarded in his field. He is best known for the graphic literature he has written (Sandman, etc), but has also written many novels and shortstories which have met with critical acclaim. Unlike Pratchett, Neil has had experience with Hollywood, having been involved with 4 movies or TV series since 1996, including an adaptation of his novel NeverWhere to the small screen. Most recently, he wrote the English screenplay for the Japanese animated film Princess Mononoke. I would also say he is a success.

    Both Gaiman and Pratchett have refused to bring their work to the big screen in the past when they thought that it wasn't going to be done right (and they have been asked) -- including a previous attempt to do Good Omens.

    Terry Gilliam is probably one of the few directors around these days that has as keen a grasp on both British and American humor. As the only American member of Monty Python, he immersed himself in British comedy and comedic writing for several years. His movie "The Fisher King" was nominated for 5 academy awards (winning Best Supporting Actress) and 5 golden globes (winning two). He is a perfectionist, well-known for fighting with the studios to maintain artistic control over his work.

    I think Gilliam was one of the better choises for "Good Omens". He can understand the book, and he can get what he wants onto film. His vision seems to me to more closely match that of Gaiman and Pratchett than most other directors. I think it will work.

    As far as trying to cram Good Omens onto the big screen -- remember that it is (loosely) based on a movie already (The Omen).

  25. Very cool by Boolean · · Score: 1

    I gotta say I read Good Omens awhile ago and loved it. Great book. The book by Neil Gaimen that I would truly enjoy seeing a movie of though (Good Omens would be a good one though) is his book Neverwhere

    If you think you know what the hell is going on you're probably full of shit. -- Robert Anton Wilson

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    1. Re:Very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already been done. British TV series came out the same time as the book. I doubt a big screen movie would be better, although they might be able to afford higher quality FX!

    2. Re:Very cool by Industrial+Disease · · Score: 2

      IIRC, Neverwhere was a novelization of a series Gaiman wrote for the BBC. Does anyone know if there's any way to get the series on NTSC video?

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  26. Neverwhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I think the BBC made an adaption of Neverwhere. I think it was a six or so part series.

    No doubt it is available on BBC Video (If it was the BBC that did the adaption, it may have been Channel 4, but its definately been on TV in the UK)

  27. Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Geert-Jan · · Score: 1

    This is slightly off topic, but I've been meaning to try one of Pratchett's Discworld books (I haven't actually read anything by Pratchet yet), but i've been put off 'till now because I wasn't sure which one to buy, since as I understand it a lot of characters come back in several books. What would be the best first Discworld book to read so that I can get acquainted with the series?


    Geert-Jan

    1. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start at the beginning ;-)

      The Colour of Magic
      The Light Fantastic

      are not only the first two books in the series,
      but also two of the best (IMHO).

    2. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Captain_SpankMunki · · Score: 1

      The first of the series is The Colour of Magic, starring Rincewind, Twoflower et al. It really is worth a read and a good place to start your collection, which I am sure you will after you read it :)

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    3. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by lohen · · Score: 1

      Pratchett's Discworld Saga can be divided into several central elements running through it, around one of which most of his books are centred. The main four can be loosely described as Rincewind, Death, The Witches and The Guards. I would suggest starting with the first book from one of these, which would be The Colour Of Magic, Mort, Equal Rites, or Guards, Guards! Alternatively a stand alone work such as Pyramids or Small Gods would also be a fair introduction to the ethos. Choose whichever subject matter suits you best, I reckon.

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    4. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by pigpogm · · Score: 1

      I'd recommend Mort, personally. It's where I started, and it's one of the easiest books to get into.

      The first couple were slightly different in style from all the later books, so i'd suggest staying clear of these at first.

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    5. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Industrial+Disease · · Score: 2

      Personally, I'd consider Equal Rites to be a better starting point than The Colour of Magic. (Subject to availability, of course; Small Gods may be the best starting point still in print in the U.S.) Colour reads like too many other authors who just wanted to parody the conventions of fantasy novels. IMHO, Rites is the first book where Pratchett decided to build his own, distinct, richly developed world.

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    6. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Paul+Wright · · Score: 1
      The first of the series is The Colour of Magic, starring Rincewind, Twoflower et al. It really is worth a read and a good place to start your collection, which I am sure you will after you read it :)

      CoM is quite different from the other Discworld books, though: he's not really settled into his style there. It's still funny, though. I think everything from Mort onwards is more typical.

      Recently he's got a bit darker: his recent books are more satirical and less laugh-out-loud funny than the books from the middle of his career. I also think he's starting to repeat himself a bit (compare Lords and Ladies and Carpe Jugulum, for example). Still well worth reading though.

    7. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I never much liked Colour of Magic, so I'm glad I didn't start with it, otherwise I probably wouldn't have continued with the series. :) I'd probably recommend starting with Mort or Wyrd Sisters.

    8. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Small Gods or Guards! Guards!

      Small Gods is a stand alone and possibly my all time favorite book by Pratchett.

      Guards! Guards! is the beginning of my favorite series within the books and an excellent starting place to get the feel of the Discworld universe.

    9. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pyramids" or "Small Gods". Both are pretty much stand-alone (in fact, most of the first 8 or 10 work well by themselves). "Pyramids" is more straight-out fun; "Small Gods" is a bit more thoughtful, taking small bite-sized jibes at the nature of religion, without diminishing the concept of religion.

    10. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by BigCheese · · Score: 1

      The Science Fiction Book Club is reprinting them in sets. You can find them at http://www.sfbc.com

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    11. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by abaddon3 · · Score: 1

      The Colour of magic and The Light Fantastic are both genre parodies and require a fair knowledge of SF&F to be truely appreciated. Small Gods or Guards, Guards are a better bet...

    12. Re:Slightly OT: Best first Discworld book by JackiePatti · · Score: 1
      I'm very qualified to answer this question as I have not only gotten numerous people addicted to Discworld, but they have gone on to addict further people. ;)

      There's two books I tend to recommend to people first. One is "Eric" and the other is "Soul Music" - depends on if you prefer slapstick type of comedy (Eric is more like that than the rest of the books) or puns (Soul Music is the punniest of them all).

      It doesn't matter which one you start with - you will have to get them all very rapidly once you start. I read one and ordered all the rest of the series the next day. I lent a friend 2 and he came back 3 days later and said lending him only 2 was cruel, Pratchett is like chips, and 2 is just not enough.

  28. Small Gods by archfiend · · Score: 1

    (subject line says it)

    1. Re:Small Gods by Industrial+Disease · · Score: 2

      Small Gods is probably the best starting point that U.S. readers are likely to find, anyway. SG was the first novel published after the series's current U.S. publisher took over from Roc. Anything older seems to be out of print here, or only available as an import. Maybe the Good Omens movie will stir up enough interest in Pratchett to get the entire series back in print.

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    2. Re:Small Gods by Rupes · · Score: 1

      >Small Gods is probably the best starting point that U.S. readers are likely to find, anyway. SG was
      >the first novel published after the series's current U.S. publisher took over from Roc. Anything older
      >seems to be out of print here, or only available as an import. Maybe the Good Omens movie will stir up
      >enough interest in Pratchett to get the entire series back in print.

      Actually, it looks like Colour of Magic is already being reprinted here; on Amazon, there is a version due out in March 2000. Maybe more will follow...

  29. And... by CdotZinger · · Score: 1

    Manchester's where Morrissey came from, right? So yeah--I think most of us dim, ungrammatical, spellin'-everything-wrong aMerkins can understand the vileness spouting from that 'burb. Even though almost none of us know the right English word for "'burb."

    Disclaimer: I own a pile of Morrissey/Smiths albums, of which I like about five, and I apologize. And apologise.


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  30. Don't expect this out soon by tilly · · Score: 2

    Even if they have agreed to do the project, come up with funding, etc it still takes a year or more to come out.

    Even after they have done the filming, it still takes many months before it comes out.

    In short, don't expect to see it this millennium. :-)

    Cheers,
    Ben

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  31. Re:gotta love the python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, my point is that Pratchet *isnt* at all funny! And since when have sales meant anything? Its always appeared to me that Pratchet is read by people who have silly little beards, smoke roll-ups,read far too much science fiction/fantasy and generally should get out more, whereas Hitchhikers seems to have touched everyone. The radio series of Hitchikers is awesome - certainly a million miles from Dr-bloody-Who. Dirk gently is crap, i`ll give you that, and i`ll stand silently by as you insult his post-hitchhikers books. `Cos i like your face i`ll even throw in the last book or 2 in the decreasingly amusing `trilogy` of 5 or whatever. But insult the radio series and DIE!! :)

  32. Not that another review matters BUT by mr · · Score: 1
    I remember listening to National Public Radio (NPR) and they had the 2 authors on. The quote that got me to buy and read it was "Yea, we hope that the Pope issues a fauwta against us."

    After some nervous laughter from the host, she then explained how the book MIGHT be considered blasphemous and how some people might get upset.

    Now, with a movie being proposed, I ll wait to see the Jerry Farwell etc la of the world pick on this movie as evidence of global disaster. (Given Y2K fizzled on them )

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  33. Despite an inherent Englishness..... by TuRRIcaNEd · · Score: 1

    .....I've always felt that GO has a lot of internationally recognisable humour (without going into too much detail, i'm pretty sure we'd all laugh at the smiting of the telesales reps, the sigil shaped ring road, the company paintball trip with REAL GUNS.... I could go on forever.)

    It will probably lose something in the translation, because it is a densely written book (for densely written, file under: a hidden joke on pretty much every other paragraph), however the trick, surely, will be to lose as little as possible, while getting it to clock in at around 2 hrs

    It CAN'T be transplanted to the US for the simple reason that the location is central to the plot of the book (The Antichrist is supposed to be supplanted for the son of the US Ambassador to the UK, IIRC, but it goes pear-shaped).

    The one thing that terrifies me is the thought that they'll go overboard on the CGI (necessary in Fear & Loathing, not so with GO). If they do a "Mummy" with Death and CG him, then I will be really pissed off, as a good actor could bring so much to that part.

    Anyway, I'm going to bore you to tears and list my ideal cast now (or at least some, I cant think of all just yet):

    Aziraphale/Crowley - Rupert Everett, Gary Oldman (as both are fine character actors, they could play either)
    Aziraphale - Alan Cumming
    Anathema - Kate Beckinsale... maybe Julia Sawalha... Honeysuckle Weeks?
    Newt Pulsifier - ..this is a hard one... any suggestions?
    The Metatron - Alan Rickman (well, you gotta have consistency)

    That's a few ideas. It's be cool to hear more.....

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  34. Good Omens comment on software licenses, UCITA by dpilot · · Score: 4

    Since this is /. and we're all supposed to be concerned about software licenses, UCITA, and all of that, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned what Good Omens had to say about them:

    In essence... (this is from years-old memory)

    took the software license, and sent it down to the demons in Hell who were responsible for writing the contracts on lost souls. He scrawled one word across it, "LEARN!"

    Great book, I hope it can make it onto the screen even half as good, and with the wit intact.

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    1. Re:Good Omens comment on software licenses, UCITA by Jason+Skomorowski · · Score: 1

      Here's the quote in question:

      Along with the standard computer warranty agreement which said that if the machine 1) didn't work, 2) didn't do what the expensive advertisement said, 3) electrocuted the immediate neighbourhood, 4) and in fact failed entirely to be inside the expensive box when you opened it, this was expressly, absolutely, implicitly and in no event the fault or responsibility of the manufacturer, that the purchaser should consider himself lucky to be allowed to give his money to the manufacturer, and that any attempt to treat what had just been paid for as the purchaser's own property would result in the attentions of serious men with menacing briefcases and very thin watches.

      -- (Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman, Good Omens)

      Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys."

      -- Crowley is a demon, in case you don't know (Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman, Good Omens)

  35. Map of the Discworld Novels by Industrial+Disease · · Score: 2

    Several months ago, I found a URL for a page that had a sort of map of the Discworld novels. The relationship between the various novels is complex, because there are several different "threads" dealing with different groups of characters, with crossovers between groups to make things really confusing. It showed which books happened before others, which ones stood alone, which ones followed different characters. Unfortunately, I didn't bookmark the page, and con't for the life of me find it using search engines. Can anyone give me the URL?

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    1. Re:Map of the Discworld Novels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Map of the Discworld Novels by Hast · · Score: 1

      This one perhaps? Linked to from lspace.org.

  36. Tracking developing films by LazyBoy · · Score: 1
    FYI, Comming Attractions is a great sight for following facts and rumors about films in the works.
    Here's their page on Good Omens.

    TG *does* rule. Gotta check that book out.

    Nineteen tequilas later we had a deal...
    Havana goes back to the mob
    And Fidel and I open up a chain of Kentucky Fried Chicken joints
    Ain't life sweet...

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  37. This made my day! by Lispy · · Score: 1

    Pratchett is one of the funniest authors alive and "Good Omens" is one of my favorites. The only problem is that hes so freaked out that I believe its hard to bring it on the screen! But Terry Gilliam is a brilliant director, and in "Brasil" he showed was he can do, so he might get it right! Good news...this century seems to get exciting, finally!

  38. Milton Keynes by delirium_9 · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem will be that none of us North Americans will understand any of the Milton Keynes jokes. And that's just a shame.

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  39. Re:gotta love the python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the MATTER with people around here? Pratchett not funny? User Friendly not funny? Who's next on the "not funny" parade? Don't answer. I don't want to know. In fact, I don't find anyone who doesn't find Terry Pratchett and User Friendly funny. In POINT of fact, I don't find this entire THREAD funny! NOT AT ALL! So I don't konw why I even posted this. Sorry. Let's all go back to reading Kierkegaard now.

  40. Terry Pratchett at SciFi Con in St Louis Mo by The+Cheez-Czar · · Score: 1

    This is sort of related but for Pratchett fans like myself, who don't already know Terry Pratchett will be at The Gateway SciFi Con July 14-16

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  41. Brazil by chromatic · · Score: 1

    Brazil's a tough one to explain in a short space. At the core, it reminded me of 1984 (you might have heard of it before on Slashdot) -- but it's more about modern life and trying to be an individual in an increasingly bureaucratic, cold, and cruel world. It has lots of pipes and explosions and a flying woman and the standard cool Gilliam visual effects.

    Hmm, maybe you should start with Time Bandits. As I recall, the Terry Gilliam Symposium last summer had a hard time agreeing on a synopsis of Brazil.

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  42. coming attractions by unit-6 · · Score: 1

    For those of you who don't know about these great resources, I thought I'd drop a few links for fanboys. Mostof these links have tons of info about X-men, Spidey, and a whole bunch of really hot stuff.

    www.aint-it-cool-news.com - good ol harry knowles and legions of geeks, rumormongers extraordinaire

    www.corona.bc.ca/films

    www.cinescape.com

    www.darkhorizons .com

    www.comingsoon.net - for all your movie trailer needs

  43. Neverwhere by chromatic · · Score: 1

    Good summary, but one correction:

    Neverwhere was adapted from the small screen to the novel. When it came out in hardcover, a local bookstore had an "authorless book signing" and showed the three-hour miniseries before giving away bookplates with Gaiman's autograph.

    Just one more added to my collection. (Now to get "the Dream Hunters" from CowboyNeal).

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  44. Re: Pratchett's 'Good Omens' On The Big Screen by subhuman · · Score: 1
    As a longtime fan of Terry Pratchett, I have to cheer this on. I don't know Neil Gaimon's solo work, but I have read, and THOROUGHLY enjoyed "Good Omens".

    Sadly, Pratchett isn't that well known in the US, and his Discworld series doesn't receive half the acclaim it deserves. With any luck, 'Good Omens' will be a success and prompt other Pratchett novels to be put onto the bigscreen.

    There has been a LONG-running debate on alt.fan.pratchett about who would play what roles in his books, so it'll be interesting to see what the producers can come up with for a cast...

  45. Pratchett's style of humo(u)r by Industrial+Disease · · Score: 3

    Any? I thought there was only one, with associated footnote. I'll admit I didn't really get that one. Still, this points out why I like Pratchett's style of humor so much better than American comic-fantasy authors like Anthony or Asprin. Pratchett seems to be satisfied with throw-away jokes: If you get it, good; if not, maybe you'll get the next one. Sometimes I won't even notice some particularly British reference; sometimes I'll notice that there's something going on that I just don't get, but move on. Pratchett doesn't rub my nose in the jokes I don't get, and provides more than enough jokes than I do. Too many other authors (Piers Anthony is the worst) seem to feel a need to make sure you know exactly how clever they are. The last time (years ago) I read Piers, I wanted to sit him down and explain to him (possibly using a LART) that, "If you need to explain the joke, it wasn't funny." In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn, "The boy's about as subtle as a hand grenade in a barrel of oatmeal."

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    1. Re:Pratchett's style of humo(u)r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'll admit I didn't really get that one."

      That's because you haven't been to Milton Keynes. :-)

  46. Re:gotta love the python by Jon-o · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of Terry Pratchett either - I think his stuff is funny, but doesn't hang together to make a very good novel. It always ends up sounding a bit more like stand up comedy...

    However, in Good Omens, the combination of Pratchett's wanton silliness, and Gaiman's unbelievable style and storytelling combine to create an incredible book. Even if you don't much like Pratchett, I recommend you read this - I personally found it had more in common stylistically with Sandman than Discworld.

  47. A good description I've used of "Brazil" by InThane · · Score: 1

    It's what George Orwell would have written if he'd been smoking dope at the time he wrote 1984.

    Even better yet...

    It's about oppressive totalian governments, chasing one's dreams, getting lost in the paperwork, and tubing. Lots and lots of tubing.

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    InThane
  48. Re:First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Naked and Petrified guy is here.

    When do you want to do this?

  49. Gaiman on Hollywood by kallisti · · Score: 3

    Several years ago I went to see Neil speak at a comic convention in Chicago. Someone asked if/when Sandman was going to be filmed.

    Neil then gave a really entertaining discussion of exactly why everyone in Hollywood was a "madman". He and Terry spent a long time working on a script for Good Omens, condensing it to movie length, and sent it to them. After a few weeks with no response, he called up and asked what was going on. They said "Well, it's a lot like the book."

    Of course it was, Neil didn't understand how that could be a problem. The authors then thought of other variations on the basic theme and came up with a derivative work, built around the same characters and situations, but giving a new slant on things. They were quite proud of the second script and sent it in. After another quiet period, they pushed for a response. And it was:
    "Well, it doesn't have much to do with the book."

    At this point, Neil gave up on Hollywood.

    Of course, he also said the next Miracleman was going to be soon as well...

  50. Re:Gilliam & Pratchet -Survey Says: YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Terry Gilliam wanted the movie made, then so shall it be. He's no Spielberg in terms of clout, but he is absolutely one of the most vital directors working today (yes, I am a huge fan). Think of the big names that have starred in his last few films. Any artist is inspired by others work, but Gilliam is *hardly* a follower. His work is readily identifiable as his own. In addition to Time Bandits, Brazil, and 12 Monkeys - all of which are superb films - he directed The Fisher King. I know this isn't sci-fi, or typical geek fare, but it is one of my favorites. Also, the comparison to work by other members of Monty Python are hardly fair - Gilliam's work has always been distinct - even when he was working with them. (for those who don't know, he was responsible for the (very distinct) animations between live action segments, and typically worked alone). As a side note, you can see the influence of his animated work on his later films if you pay attention. Just my opinion, but if Gilliam makes a film, I want to see it - regardless of the inspiration or basis for it.

  51. Hollywood: Under New Management? by frood · · Score: 1

    Terry Gilliam and Neil Gaiman are undoubtedly two of the most talented creative forces in the world today. Both have come through with works that beg the viewer/reader to probe deeper, and ask questions beyond the immediate material presented. What scares the crap out of me is that by adapting a phenomenal book like "Good Omens" to the big screen, Hollywood is not pandering to the lowest common denomenator. Now that is unique! Even if the movie retains only a small fraction of the book's subtle wit, it will tower over most other movies in terms of its appeal to geeks everywhere.

    --frood

  52. Re:gotta love the python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the footnotes man, the footnotes!

  53. did anyone notice? by nemoest · · Score: 1

    Did anyone notice that Terry Pratchett's name is not listed on us.imdb.com under writing credits?

    I read this book about a week before I saw End of Days.. while watching the movie I was waiting for two angels to appear. =)

    If anybody is looking for it, a very informative site about Terry Pratchett's work is:
    http://www.us.lspace.org

  54. Re:gotta love the python by pornking · · Score: 1

    I like Pratchett and my beard isn't small or silly. Furthermore, I have never smoked a fruit roll up and I resent the implication that I have. They are far too difficult to ignite.

    Seriously though, opinions vary. I liked the Hitchhikers books. I thought the Dirk Gently books were fantastic, and I thought the radio series was ok.

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  55. No surprise there by Wench · · Score: 1

    Not sure where I read this, but PTerry did an interview in which he said he'd never, Never, NEVER again work with Neil Gaiman.

    Not that he dislikes Neil, or disrespects him - just that their working styles and personalities were so utterly irreconsilable.



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    1. Re:No surprise there by Hookline · · Score: 1

      Wench wrote:

      Not sure where I read this, but PTerry did an interview in which he said he'd never, Never, NEVER again work with Neil Gaiman.

      Not that he dislikes Neil, or disrespects him - just that their working styles and personalities were so utterly irreconsilable.

      I remember turning up to a Discworld book signing, several years ago, and asking Terry Pratchett if there'd ever be another collaboration with Neil Gaiman and/or a Goods Omens sequel of some sort.

      His reply was "When hell freezes over"

      At the time, I wasn't sure if this was a statement or a story synopsis... :)

  56. Apparent Interview about "Good Omens" Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out http://www.mindspring.com/~ widgett/html/good_omens.html. It's got a list of the cast as well as an interview, apparently with Pratchett or Gaiman, about the casting..

  57. Twelve Little Monkeys!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you forgot about the most amazing movie about time travels?????? Terry Gilliam's 12 Monkeys!!! It is just amazing, 10 times more complex than back to the future!!! I watched it 5 times and I am still perplexed!!!

  58. Poll Sugestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The writer I most like:
    * Douglas Adams
    * Arthur C Clarke
    * Terry Pratchet
    * Isaac Asimov
    * Neal Stephenson
    * Winston Groom
    * God
    * Gargamel

  59. boo by serialk · · Score: 1


    almost everything starts as a rumor !??!?

    1. Re:boo by abaddon3 · · Score: 1

      That's not what I heard...

  60. Re:gotta love the python by Pentagram · · Score: 1

    Actually, Pratchett wrote the vast majority of the book. Even Gaiman admits it - he was contracted to write more Sandman and couldn't spare the time to write. It's a good book, but IMHO, I don't think it's as funny as most of Pratchett's stuff or as interesting as most of Gaiman's.

  61. No! Not amazon! by Pentagram · · Score: 1

    Yes, but aren't most of us boycotting Amazon?

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