You created an object that was predefined in the JS library. You can do that in any language. (Example: ActiveX objects in C programs.) JS is a little more advanced in that its syntax supports object manipulation. But if you can't define new classes, you can't build object frameworks. Definitely not OO.
You're confusing Sweden with China. In Sweden (and most of Western Europe) environmental regulation is actually tougher than they are in the U.S. And wages are not that far behind ours.
Funny you should make that mistake when all the right wingnuts are making so much noise about the imaginary conspiracy to turn the U.S. into a "European Socialist" economy that can't compete at all:
Sigh. There was a time when cartooning meant knowing how to draw. Then you had internet cartoons that were just stick figures. Then even less creative people started doing graphic mashups. Finally we have a "cartoonist" who just reuses the same mashup in every cartoon.
There actually was a time when XKCD or Dinosaur cartoons actually made me laugh. But their lack of real creativity just got old.
Dude, your arguments are getting weirder and weirder. It's not at all clear what your argument is here.
I went back and looked at the thread, including the older posts from before I butted. Basically, you keep accusing everybody of being misinformed, simply because they conflict with what you "know." But you refuse to look at any evidence that your own assumptions are wrong and you never present any evidence that they're right.
So you'll forgive me if I start ignoring somebody who treats "I know I'm right" as an absolute, undeniable truth.
Sure, if you have a lot of small objects (pills, cash, whatever), pneumatic tubes are great. But Stanford Hospital is using them to manage data.
Handwritten medical words add to costs, mistakes (as in people dying), and miscommunication. That's why the U.S. needs an electronic medical record system. I believe Finland already has one.
Stanford has just added a little speed to an obsolete system. Rather sad for a school that has played such a big role in the development of information technology.
I didn't say there wasn't a search engine, I said there wasn't a decent one. The one they have just does string matching against descriptions. So if you search for ads that contain the word "hat" you get every ad that contains the word "that".
A decent search engine would understand keywords and stemming.
Yeah, I found some interesting stuff. I also had to sort through a lot of crap. Unless you're writing a term paper on the history of advertising, the site ceases to be interesting after a few minutes.
OK, you're right, you can't dispense with the browser. But that still doesn't mean non-browsers can't use Open ID. They just need an API for accessing browser cookies. That's actually possible now, though there isn't a standard API for it — you have to read the cookie file directly.
Even if that's not workable, OpenID still solves 90% of the problem. That's because fewer and fewer enterprise applications are anything but web-based. That long list I gave before of signons at my old job? Almost all web-based. The only exceptions were a few legacy applications (all of which were planned to transition to the web), my Windows network login, and my Unix command line login.
And where is it written that only web browsers can use HTTP? SOAP is based on HTTP.
I've never used kerberos. I suppose it could make a workable SSO protocol for web applications, though LDAP over SSL is probably better.
I've actually used this setup for an internal corporate Wiki. It works, but it's a pain, because you have to re-enter your password every single time you enter a new application. On any given day, I'd enter my LDAP password to access my own Wiki, the Wikis of other departments that I worked with, the document archive, the experimental CMS that was supposed to replace the document archive, source control servers, the payroll application, the HR application, the vacation application...
And that was with single-factor authentication! If I'd had to use my token card (needed for VPN connections) each time it would have been intolerable. Though I suppose a USB token card could have mitigated the problem.
If we'd had an OpenID infrastructure, I would have only needed to login once a day to the OpenID server. Then the first time I used each application I would need to give the OpenID server permission to share information with it. That doesn't require a password and only has to happen once.
The user name is not the problem. The password is the problem. That's why we're having this discussion: Blizzard is finding passwords to be a very weak point of failure. Having only one point of failure is not all that great if the point fails easily. Two-factor authentication is the obvious solution, but like the guy who started this thread, most people are not going to be thrilled about owning a token card for each and every login they use.
Besides, it's very unlikely that Blizzard (or anybody else that has to support logins on multiple servers) has each server do authentication locally. That would be an administrative nightmare. Much better to have a central corporate server. So the only thing that would change would be switching from the internal server to a server run by an external service provider.
what about if this starts a trend and all online games start to require such?
This business of every application requiring its own password is a problem in itself. (I've got 400 passwords in my Roboform archive!) That's why so many sites are adopting OpenId.
I don't get your accusations of "generalizations". I've given yon specific facts. You're the one relying on generalities.
Sure we rely on trade more than we used to. That doesn't mean we can just reset the clock and go back to 1955. A lot of things have changed since then. Agriculture is a smaller part of the economy, and much less labor-intensive. Americans are better educated, reducing the number of workers willing to perform manual labor.
And here's the biggie: we used to be the world's biggest exporter of oil. But our oil deposits have depleted even as our dependency on it has skyrocketed. Now we're the biggest importer. How do you propose to pay for that oil without exports?
You want a simple solution to a complicated problem, so you cherry-pick your facts to make it so. And you call me "delusional!"
I think most Netflix customers feel that way. If we didn't, all the delays involved in getting DVDs that way would be intolerable.
I personally don't even let the hot releases get to the top of my queue until they've cooled off. If an in-demand disc is at the top of your queue, it will often be delayed for a day or two become it was mailed from a non-local distribution center and/or delayed while more discs come in. Because Netflix only sends me non-hot discs, they almost always go out the same day the returned disc came in, and I get more discs without paying more.
Characterizing a difference of opinion as a mental disorder is pretty insulting.
Did you look at the links I sent you before? Because they make a case that there was exactly the kind of interdependence I was talking about. (Most economists agree that protectionism helped make the Great Depression as bad as it was.) This goes back to WW I, when American farmers benefited from the sudden drop in agricultural production in Europe. No, further, to the gigantic economic growth of the nation during the 19th century, which simply couldn't home been funded by Americans selling to each other. Hell it goes back to the revolution, which was, in part, about British attempts to prevent American manufacturers from competing with British ones.
Mind you, my opinion of corporate America is not much better than yours. But you can't simply order them to move all those jobs back. Even if you could make such an order stick, the economic cost would be nasty. The idea that it would just make prices a little higher would get you an F in any econ class.
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It the artwork doesn't matter, why is it even there?
You created an object that was predefined in the JS library. You can do that in any language. (Example: ActiveX objects in C programs.) JS is a little more advanced in that its syntax supports object manipulation. But if you can't define new classes, you can't build object frameworks. Definitely not OO.
Dude, you're repeating yourself, and you're just ignoring my argument. Done wasting my time.
You're confusing Sweden with China. In Sweden (and most of Western Europe) environmental regulation is actually tougher than they are in the U.S. And wages are not that far behind ours.
Funny you should make that mistake when all the right wingnuts are making so much noise about the imaginary conspiracy to turn the U.S. into a "European Socialist" economy that can't compete at all:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/opinion/11krugman.html?em
Sigh. There was a time when cartooning meant knowing how to draw. Then you had internet cartoons that were just stick figures. Then even less creative people started doing graphic mashups. Finally we have a "cartoonist" who just reuses the same mashup in every cartoon.
There actually was a time when XKCD or Dinosaur cartoons actually made me laugh. But their lack of real creativity just got old.
Dude, your arguments are getting weirder and weirder. It's not at all clear what your argument is here.
I went back and looked at the thread, including the older posts from before I butted. Basically, you keep accusing everybody of being misinformed, simply because they conflict with what you "know." But you refuse to look at any evidence that your own assumptions are wrong and you never present any evidence that they're right.
So you'll forgive me if I start ignoring somebody who treats "I know I'm right" as an absolute, undeniable truth.
You're right. I didn't RTFA. My bad. But you'll notice that the editor (or whoever wrote the headline) didn't either.
Actually, the Paris system lasted until 1973.
Sure, if you have a lot of small objects (pills, cash, whatever), pneumatic tubes are great. But Stanford Hospital is using them to manage data.
Handwritten medical words add to costs, mistakes (as in people dying), and miscommunication. That's why the U.S. needs an electronic medical record system. I believe Finland already has one.
Stanford has just added a little speed to an obsolete system. Rather sad for a school that has played such a big role in the development of information technology.
My God! You saw the word "tube" and used it to make fun of Ted Stevens! How creative!
That comes under the second bullet. Very important to use Occam's Razor, even when making fun of scientific ignoramuses. Especially then!
Spoil sport!
I didn't say there wasn't a search engine, I said there wasn't a decent one. The one they have just does string matching against descriptions. So if you search for ads that contain the word "hat" you get every ad that contains the word "that".
A decent search engine would understand keywords and stemming.
Yeah, I found some interesting stuff. I also had to sort through a lot of crap. Unless you're writing a term paper on the history of advertising, the site ceases to be interesting after a few minutes.
And if the thing had a decent search engine, or some kind commentary on organization, it would be worthwhile.
OK, you're right, you can't dispense with the browser. But that still doesn't mean non-browsers can't use Open ID. They just need an API for accessing browser cookies. That's actually possible now, though there isn't a standard API for it — you have to read the cookie file directly.
Even if that's not workable, OpenID still solves 90% of the problem. That's because fewer and fewer enterprise applications are anything but web-based. That long list I gave before of signons at my old job? Almost all web-based. The only exceptions were a few legacy applications (all of which were planned to transition to the web), my Windows network login, and my Unix command line login.
No free karma for you: funny upmods don't count. Next time, be less entertaining!
And where is it written that only web browsers can use HTTP? SOAP is based on HTTP.
I've never used kerberos. I suppose it could make a workable SSO protocol for web applications, though LDAP over SSL is probably better.
I've actually used this setup for an internal corporate Wiki. It works, but it's a pain, because you have to re-enter your password every single time you enter a new application. On any given day, I'd enter my LDAP password to access my own Wiki, the Wikis of other departments that I worked with, the document archive, the experimental CMS that was supposed to replace the document archive, source control servers, the payroll application, the HR application, the vacation application...
And that was with single-factor authentication! If I'd had to use my token card (needed for VPN connections) each time it would have been intolerable. Though I suppose a USB token card could have mitigated the problem.
If we'd had an OpenID infrastructure, I would have only needed to login once a day to the OpenID server. Then the first time I used each application I would need to give the OpenID server permission to share information with it. That doesn't require a password and only has to happen once.
OpenID is web-based. That may work for WoW, but it's a non-starter for a long-term SSO solution.
What, you think that only web browsers can use web protocols? SOAP is a web protocol.
The user name is not the problem. The password is the problem. That's why we're having this discussion: Blizzard is finding passwords to be a very weak point of failure. Having only one point of failure is not all that great if the point fails easily. Two-factor authentication is the obvious solution, but like the guy who started this thread, most people are not going to be thrilled about owning a token card for each and every login they use.
Besides, it's very unlikely that Blizzard (or anybody else that has to support logins on multiple servers) has each server do authentication locally. That would be an administrative nightmare. Much better to have a central corporate server. So the only thing that would change would be switching from the internal server to a server run by an external service provider.
Twenty is about right. So what? All the passwords represent logins that I had to use at least once. And even 20 is too many for good security.
what about if this starts a trend and all online games start to require such?
This business of every application requiring its own password is a problem in itself. (I've got 400 passwords in my Roboform archive!) That's why so many sites are adopting OpenId.
You really think there's enough domestic oil left to sustain our economy? Now that is delusional.
I don't get your accusations of "generalizations". I've given yon specific facts. You're the one relying on generalities.
Sure we rely on trade more than we used to. That doesn't mean we can just reset the clock and go back to 1955. A lot of things have changed since then. Agriculture is a smaller part of the economy, and much less labor-intensive. Americans are better educated, reducing the number of workers willing to perform manual labor.
And here's the biggie: we used to be the world's biggest exporter of oil. But our oil deposits have depleted even as our dependency on it has skyrocketed. Now we're the biggest importer. How do you propose to pay for that oil without exports?
You want a simple solution to a complicated problem, so you cherry-pick your facts to make it so. And you call me "delusional!"
I think most Netflix customers feel that way. If we didn't, all the delays involved in getting DVDs that way would be intolerable.
I personally don't even let the hot releases get to the top of my queue until they've cooled off. If an in-demand disc is at the top of your queue, it will often be delayed for a day or two become it was mailed from a non-local distribution center and/or delayed while more discs come in. Because Netflix only sends me non-hot discs, they almost always go out the same day the returned disc came in, and I get more discs without paying more.
Characterizing a difference of opinion as a mental disorder is pretty insulting.
Did you look at the links I sent you before? Because they make a case that there was exactly the kind of interdependence I was talking about. (Most economists agree that protectionism helped make the Great Depression as bad as it was.) This goes back to WW I, when American farmers benefited from the sudden drop in agricultural production in Europe. No, further, to the gigantic economic growth of the nation during the 19th century, which simply couldn't home been funded by Americans selling to each other. Hell it goes back to the revolution, which was, in part, about British attempts to prevent American manufacturers from competing with British ones.
Mind you, my opinion of corporate America is not much better than yours. But you can't simply order them to move all those jobs back. Even if you could make such an order stick, the economic cost would be nasty. The idea that it would just make prices a little higher would get you an F in any econ class.