Come on, get a clue about language. There's absolutely NO correlation between the degree to which a language incorporates words from other languages and 'language study' as you put it.
Language change is as inevitable as the seasons and the ability to absorb words into the language allows more subtle distinctions, i.e.:
legal - loyal regal - royal beef - cow pork - pig - swine etc.
There's a word for languages which don't evolve: 'extinct'
Actually, it said 'Freeware' in the original article too. Also, Open Source is called "Open Source" in German too. Furthermore, c't is certainly aware of the term so I'm a little confused myself why they put used 'freeware'
>>so having an opposing view may also be perceived as good journalism
I hate Windows and I could formulate a better opposing view to Linux; but then so could most Linux users - we know Linux. Good Journalism would be finding a spokesman for Windows who can at least throw somewhat less clumsy punches
>>I once heard that if Gates lost 90% of his total wealth, he'd still be worth about 1 billion US $
...I read somewhere recently that he's up to $100 billion; that'd make it %99 before he' down to a measly(sp?) $1 bil. I can't even comprehend how he's even motivated about money! I mean I understand it intellectually (monomania, etc...or is that moneymania;) but it certainly boggles the mind!
The difference which should be painfully obvious is:
1) You expect to find information on TV (I know, not necessarily accurate, but info nonetheless)... You don't expect to find bullets at school
2) If some unwelcome information finds its way to your brain, interupting the flow (i.e. not watching it anymore) will generally allow you to escape without drastic consequences (for exceptions, see the shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater analogy in explanations by the founding fathers on what does not constitute protected free speech)
Well, on the one hand this is very scary in theory. I suspect though, that it will be less of something which endangers Democracy in Australia, and more of something which crashes and burns. Unfortunately, there'll probably be a large number of individuals / ISP's who are going to get crucified under this law:(
Don't forget; Walt had good reason to want to protect Mickey. After all, M.M. was his second big creation, after some company (I'm not sure which) stole his first creation. At that time Disney wasn't a company, but just a struggling artist. I'm not sure about the details though.
...let's make sure we start making authors of trashy novels and comic books adhere to standards of good written English (of course it has to be English so that it's 'readable' by most people). Of course, we can also make sure there's a minimum level of proficiency required to disseminate any printed text, in order to insure that ALL brochures, books, booklets, leaflets, magazines, newspapers, etc. meet YOUR standards, asshole!!!
You want 'decent' content on the Web? Make some. You don't want to see 'non-decent'/'non-readable' content on the Web? Close your eyes or stay the fuck offline!
Well, it probably depends on what youre doing with the machine. At my job we have a Sun running our Web Server and were secretly running a PII 400 under the table with Linux. Basically, for progamms (usually Perl scripts) requiring large amounts of drive access, the Sun generally blows the Pentium away; obviously this is barely even a matter of which processor the machine's got, but rather I/O capability and Memory(-management). However for scripts which are just doing a lot of 'text-crunching ' the Pentium is faster. Admittedly it's usually running a lighter load, but I still think it shows that the Pentium is a contender in some areas. As far as I know, Suns and the like are optimized for moving around large amounts of data, whereas x86's are more optimized to crunch numbers. For a home-system with one fulltime user I'm pretty sure a multi-processor Intel with a bunch of memory will give a lot more bang for the buck.
Rabid anti-commercialism may be fine for the leaders of the revolution but the peasants still have to eat (excuse my rather tortured metaphor)... the point is S.u.S.E. does a very good job of combining a relatively user-friendly installation with an excellent book (which is practically worth the price alone for a newbie) without sacrificing depth. Now, I'm not saying that S.u.S.E. is for the expert, but I've found that almost all the stuff I need is right there on the CD's and here in Germany the cost of downloading even a fraction of that content is easily more than what they're asking for their distro, so what's the problem? Do you think the Linux movement is HARMED by a distro where a newbie can get his feet (or whole body) wet? Yes, there is proprietary software on the CD's. It's grouped under 'PAY'. ummm... that sounds pretty well seperated to me. And it's not like you can't copy the CD's to share with your friends: The commercial stuff is all demos, just like you could download from the appropriate web-sites. So what you get is the chance to try the stuff out (or not) without having to waste your time downloading it. Are you gonna stop buying computer magazines that have free demos in them which you're free to throw away? So chill a bit, use Redhat if that gets you off, and save your bullets for the companies that are really hoarding programming knowledge (that's what the thing's about, right?) Or do you think that S.u.S.E. is planning to become the Microsoft of installation programs (Horrors!)
if he doesn't care about the name, then he shouldn't constantly point our attention to the name, because that's all that's being debated here. People who think changing names will change opinions or awareness of the facts are not neccessarily stupid, but they ARE usually quite disappointed, just ask the 'Negroes', er... 'Afro-Americans', um... 'Black Americans', or wait 'People of Color'!! (This is NOT meant to be insulting to people who consider themselves to be on of these groups) The fact is, if you want to teach history, then teach history; Changing names is not going to do the job for you.
Anyone see the irony of shallow here? I suspect the only thing shallow here is your mind. Would you have believed RMS said it if a guy told you asshole?
Why don't we just start calling the President of the U.S. 'Mr. Cabinet'? After all, most of the executive branch consists of other people doing 'most' of the work. Probably a lot of them are a lot more intelligent than he is, and other's are better military leaders, etc., etc. ad nauseum...
You can insert your metaphor of choice here...
What do you call an operating system? It's the same old debate. Some say it's the kernel, others say it's all those tools that help people get stuff done with the kernel, including building new kernels:) That's just semantics. Most people consider the operating sytem, that which makes the computer do what THEY want it to: If my LINUX kernel crashes, my computer has stopped running. If my c compiler stops working, I can't compile programs, but my system will keep running the programs which are doing what I need to do. Now I suppose that for many hard-core hackers the most importants program that can run on their Linux/Unix/Windows/MacOS, etc. IS the compiler. That's cool. Call your OS: "(insert favorite compiler) (insert favorite kernel) (insert other favorite tools/apps/etc. or just a postfix or prefix if you prefer)" I prefer to think of the operating system as the single most indispensable program running: the kernel. I give great thanks to Richard Stallmann and friends for providing many useful tools to run on my OS (Linux), and I'm sorry that injuries to his hands have prevented him from producing more brilliant software; BUT...
I'm sure Mr. Stallmann would himself agree that his brain should get the credit for his software not his hands...
Well, if you wanna be really exact it's 'Sue-zeh' emphasis on the first syllable, the 'e' like in 'let'. At least that's how it's pronounced in German...
Ditto to what xeno said + even if his argument weren't true, it says "experts TO end users" not "experts ARE end users"... actually what the hell are you trying to say?
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Come on, get a clue about language. There's absolutely NO correlation between the degree to which a language incorporates words from other languages and 'language study' as you put it.
Language change is as inevitable as the seasons and the ability to absorb words into the language allows more subtle distinctions, i.e.:
legal - loyal
regal - royal
beef - cow
pork - pig - swine
etc.
There's a word for languages which don't evolve:
'extinct'
chris
Actually, it said 'Freeware' in the original article too. Also, Open Source is called "Open Source" in German too. Furthermore, c't is certainly aware of the term so I'm a little confused myself why they put used 'freeware'
chris
That's the official company line. If you ask Linus what Transmeta does he says "Cool stuff".
chris
>>so having an opposing view may also be perceived as good journalism
I hate Windows and I could formulate a better opposing view to Linux; but then so could most Linux users - we know Linux. Good Journalism would be finding a spokesman for Windows who can at least throw somewhat less clumsy punches
>>How else is it possible for someone to write a whole page and say nothing?
:)
I think a number of us managed it in school / University
no offense :)
>>I once heard that if Gates lost 90% of his total wealth, he'd still be worth about 1 billion US $
;) but it certainly boggles the mind!
...I read somewhere recently that he's up to $100 billion; that'd make it %99 before he' down to a measly(sp?) $1 bil. I can't even comprehend how he's even motivated about money! I mean I understand it intellectually (monomania, etc...or is that moneymania
chris
TV Content ->(information)-> eyes/ears -> Brain
.... Brain/Heart
Shotguns -> (bullets) ->
The difference which should be painfully obvious is:
1) You expect to find information on TV (I know, not necessarily accurate, but info nonetheless)... You don't expect to find bullets at school
2) If some unwelcome information finds its way to your brain, interupting the flow (i.e. not watching it anymore) will generally allow you to escape without drastic consequences (for exceptions, see the shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater analogy in explanations by the founding fathers on what does not constitute protected free speech)
Got it? Is that simple enough for you?
chris
Can you imagine them even putting Linux as a choice a year ago? ...two years ago?
Don't worry, be happy.
chris
Well, on the one hand this is very scary in theory. I suspect though, that it will be less of something which endangers Democracy in Australia, and more of something which crashes and burns. Unfortunately, there'll probably be a large number of individuals / ISP's who are going to get crucified under this law :(
chris
Don't forget; Walt had good reason to want to protect Mickey. After all, M.M. was his second big creation, after some company (I'm not sure which) stole his first creation. At that time Disney wasn't a company, but just a struggling artist. I'm not sure about the details though.
chris
Maybe he meant it sarcastically?
...let's make sure we start making authors of trashy novels and comic books adhere to standards of good written English (of course it has to be English so that it's 'readable' by most people). Of course, we can also make sure there's a minimum level of proficiency required to disseminate any printed text, in order to insure that ALL brochures, books, booklets, leaflets, magazines, newspapers, etc. meet YOUR standards, asshole!!!
You want 'decent' content on the Web?
Make some.
You don't want to see 'non-decent'/'non-readable' content on the Web?
Close your eyes or stay the fuck offline!
Flame me.
chris
Well, it probably depends on what youre doing with the machine. At my job we have a Sun running our Web Server and were secretly running a PII 400 under the table with Linux. Basically, for progamms (usually Perl scripts) requiring large amounts of drive access, the Sun generally blows the Pentium away; obviously this is barely even a matter of which processor the machine's got, but rather I/O capability and Memory(-management). However for scripts which are just doing a lot of 'text-crunching ' the Pentium is faster. Admittedly it's usually running a lighter load, but I still think it shows that the Pentium is a contender in some areas.
As far as I know, Suns and the like are optimized for moving around large amounts of data, whereas x86's are more optimized to crunch numbers. For a home-system with one fulltime user I'm pretty sure a multi-processor Intel with a bunch of memory will give a lot more bang for the buck.
chris
Come on, you've got to admit that though Microsoft produces a lot of crap they're very good at dressing it up prettily...
chris
Rabid anti-commercialism may be fine for the leaders of the revolution but the peasants still have to eat (excuse my rather tortured metaphor)... the point is S.u.S.E. does a very good job of combining a relatively user-friendly installation with an excellent book (which is practically worth the price alone for a newbie) without sacrificing depth.
Now, I'm not saying that S.u.S.E. is for the expert, but I've found that almost all the stuff I need is right there on the CD's and here in Germany the cost of downloading even a fraction of that content is easily more than what they're asking for their distro, so what's the problem? Do you think the Linux movement is HARMED by a distro where a newbie can get his feet (or whole body) wet? Yes, there is proprietary software on the CD's. It's grouped under 'PAY'. ummm... that sounds pretty well seperated to me. And it's not like you can't copy the CD's to share with your friends: The commercial stuff is all demos, just like you could download from the appropriate web-sites. So what you get is the chance to try the stuff out (or not) without having to waste your time downloading it.
Are you gonna stop buying computer magazines that have free demos in them which you're free to throw away? So chill a bit, use Redhat if that gets you off, and save your bullets for the companies that are really hoarding programming knowledge (that's what the thing's about, right?) Or do you think that S.u.S.E. is planning to become the Microsoft of installation programs (Horrors!)
Chris Kuhi
if he doesn't care about the name, then he shouldn't constantly point our attention to the name, because that's all that's being debated here.
People who think changing names will change opinions or awareness of the facts are not neccessarily stupid, but they ARE usually quite disappointed, just ask the 'Negroes', er... 'Afro-Americans', um... 'Black Americans', or wait 'People of Color'!! (This is NOT meant to be insulting to people who consider themselves to be on of these groups) The fact is, if you want to teach history, then teach history; Changing names is not going to do the job for you.
Chris Kuhi
on SUSE 6.0 that gives me:
MACHTYPE=i586-pc-linux-gnu
OSTYPE=linux-gnu
hmmm... I guess S.U.S.E IS giving GNU its due.
Anyone see the irony of shallow here? I suspect the only thing shallow here is your mind. Would you have believed RMS said it if a guy told you asshole?
Chris Kuhi
Why don't we just start calling the President of the U.S. 'Mr. Cabinet'? After all, most of the executive branch consists of other people doing 'most' of the work. Probably a lot of them are a lot more intelligent than he is, and other's are better military leaders, etc., etc. ad nauseum...
:) That's just semantics. Most people consider the operating sytem, that which makes the computer do what THEY want it to: If my LINUX kernel crashes, my computer has stopped running. If my c compiler stops working, I can't compile programs, but my system will keep running the programs which are doing what I need to do. Now I suppose that for many hard-core hackers the most importants program that can run on their Linux/Unix/Windows/MacOS, etc. IS the compiler. That's cool. Call your OS: "(insert favorite compiler) (insert favorite kernel) (insert other favorite tools/apps/etc. or just a postfix or prefix if you prefer)"
You can insert your metaphor of choice here...
What do you call an operating system? It's the same old debate. Some say it's the kernel, others say it's all those tools that help people get stuff done with the kernel, including building new kernels
I prefer to think of the operating system as the single most indispensable program running: the kernel.
I give great thanks to Richard Stallmann and friends for providing many useful tools to run on my OS (Linux), and I'm sorry that injuries to his hands have prevented him from producing more brilliant software; BUT...
I'm sure Mr. Stallmann would himself agree that his brain should get the credit for his software not his hands...
in due (and only due) respect
Chris Kuhi
Well, if you wanna be really exact it's
'Sue-zeh'
emphasis on the first syllable, the 'e' like in 'let'. At least that's how it's pronounced in German...
Ditto to what xeno said
+
even if his argument weren't true, it says "experts TO end users" not "experts ARE end users"...
actually what the hell are you trying to say?